Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
Well just reading some unread messages now... I will move the French FAQ pages in near time as discussed on the fr ML. I'm preparing my bot (checking the source code as this requires some modification on AWB that I will hopefully be able to push upstream!) and with this run I wanted to move also the other FAQ pages (EN, German, zh-hans, etc.) to FAQ. Is there now a consensus about moving to uppercase or not? (Faq looks ugly, Thunderbird is marking it as typo, and is simply not right, my 2C...) Regards, Dennis Am 04.12.2013 23:57, schrieb Robinson Tryon: On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) To be more correct it should really be F.A.Q. and the dots would play even more havoc than spaces often do. Also we should always say G.N.U./Linux rather than Linux, G.N.O.M.E. and K.D.E. However as acronyms become used more frequently they gradually drop the dots and then drop the insistence of upper-case. FAQ is old and faq or Faq is likely to become quite common. Not to plunge too far down the linguistic rabbit-hole, but I believe that initialisms only drop upper-case when they are in fact acronyms that can be easily pronounced as words. Consider: GNU is seen as 'Gnu' sometimes, GNOME is often 'Gnome', LASER is laser, but (IMHO) NSA is still NSA, KDE is rarely Kde, and FAQ is rarely Faq. Even though we could pronounce these last two "kiddy" and "fack," we pronounce them as individual letters K-D-E and F-A-Q, just as we do with F-D-O and others). But I digress...please ignore Tom and me as we go about our linguistic jousting -- unless, of course, you find it as amusing as we do... :-) --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
Le 04/12/2013 22:26, Martin Srebotnjak a écrit : > Hi, Sophie, > > I do not see 143 cited anywhere in LO Help? Yes, I don't know what happened. Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
On 12/4/13, Robinson Tryon wrote: > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> To be more correct it should really be F.A.Q. and the dots would play >> even more havoc than spaces often do. Also we should always say >> G.N.U./Linux rather than Linux, G.N.O.M.E. and K.D.E. >> >> However as acronyms become used more frequently they gradually drop >> the dots and then drop the insistence of upper-case. FAQ is old and >> faq or Faq is likely to become quite common. > > Not to plunge too far down the linguistic rabbit-hole, but I believe > that initialisms only drop upper-case when they are in fact acronyms > that can be easily pronounced as words. Consider: > > GNU is seen as 'Gnu' sometimes, GNOME is often 'Gnome', LASER is > laser, but (IMHO) > NSA is still NSA, KDE is rarely Kde, and FAQ is rarely Faq. Even > though we could pronounce these last two "kiddy" and "fack," we > pronounce them as individual letters K-D-E and F-A-Q, just as we do > with F-D-O and others). > > But I digress...please ignore Tom and me as we go about our linguistic > jousting -- unless, of course, you find it as amusing as we do... :-) > > --R I find this off-topic amusing ;-). This lexicalization of acronyms happens a lot in Spanish, too: apart from ‘láser’, which is an acronym-gone-word, we have ‘sida’ (Spanish for AIDS), ‘opa’ (or ‘Oferta Pública de Adquisición’, Spanish for business takeover), ‘epoc’ (Spanish for chronic obstructive lung disease, COLD)… -- Adolfo -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > To be more correct it should really be F.A.Q. and the dots would play > even more havoc than spaces often do. Also we should always say > G.N.U./Linux rather than Linux, G.N.O.M.E. and K.D.E. > > However as acronyms become used more frequently they gradually drop > the dots and then drop the insistence of upper-case. FAQ is old and > faq or Faq is likely to become quite common. Not to plunge too far down the linguistic rabbit-hole, but I believe that initialisms only drop upper-case when they are in fact acronyms that can be easily pronounced as words. Consider: GNU is seen as 'Gnu' sometimes, GNOME is often 'Gnome', LASER is laser, but (IMHO) NSA is still NSA, KDE is rarely Kde, and FAQ is rarely Faq. Even though we could pronounce these last two "kiddy" and "fack," we pronounce them as individual letters K-D-E and F-A-Q, just as we do with F-D-O and others). But I digress...please ignore Tom and me as we go about our linguistic jousting -- unless, of course, you find it as amusing as we do... :-) --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
Hi, Sophie, I do not see 143 cited anywhere in LO Help? Lp, m. 2013/12/3 Sophie > Le 03/12/2013 21:30, Robinson Tryon a écrit : > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Olivier Hallot > > wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Hi > >> > >> Just curious: While translating conditional formatting matters, I found > >> at least 2 references to wiki pages with more detailed explanations. Is > >> this new trend for help pages? unfortunately, these pages are not > >> localized... > > > > links? > > > I wrote this help part and sent a mail to this list on August that more > information will be on the wiki and should be translated. > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/141 > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/142 > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/143 > > Cheers > Sophie > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
Hi :) To be more correct it should really be F.A.Q. and the dots would play even more havoc than spaces often do. Also we should always say G.N.U./Linux rather than Linux, G.N.O.M.E. and K.D.E. However as acronyms become used more frequently they gradually drop the dots and then drop the insistence of upper-case. FAQ is old and faq or Faq is likely to become quite common. Regards from Tom :) On 4 December 2013 00:43, Robinson Tryon wrote: > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> All caps is "a bit shouty". In emails if you use all caps that is >> often seen as shouting. CamelCase looks friendlier > > I agree that in general ALL CAPS == shouting, but I believe that > applies to words spelled-out without abbreviation. In this case we're > talking about a specific initialism: "Frequently Asked Questions," or > FAQ. > > That being said, an FAQ generally refers to a short list of questions > (hence the "Frequently" part...). There are currently 296 subpages of > Faq/ on the wiki, so perhaps it's time for a general rename -- perhaps > to 'Questions/' ? > > Cheers, > --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
Hi Robinson, all, Le 03/12/2013 23:35, Robinson Tryon a écrit : > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Sophie wrote: >>> links? >>> >> I wrote this help part and sent a mail to this list on August that more >> information will be on the wiki and should be translated. >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/141 >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/142 >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/143 the message I sent is here http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-l10n-Link-in-a-help-article-to-translate-tt4069299.html and the link to the issue inside. > > Hmm... so is the plan to link to TDF wiki pages from our docs? That was already in use with OOo help files, the idea is to keep the help files light while providing more details or examples in the wiki. > > If we do start to link to pages under Faq* as documentation, perhaps > we should establish some kind of template for those pages (e.g. "This > page is now in official docs...do not move or rename this page without > ") it is part of the overall Faq which is currently translated in English. > > As I've mentioned previously, I think we should come up with an > overarching gameplan for all of our documentation, just so that users > and others who get confused easily (such as I) can keep track of it > all :-) this is more to discuss with Jean on the documentation project. > > Cheers, > --R > > * It would be nice to use /FAQ instead (looks like something is > hard-coded there -- I pinged cloph about fixing it) for French we use FAQ, but the English part was already using Faq, so I just followed what was already in place. Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > All caps is "a bit shouty". In emails if you use all caps that is > often seen as shouting. CamelCase looks friendlier I agree that in general ALL CAPS == shouting, but I believe that applies to words spelled-out without abbreviation. In this case we're talking about a specific initialism: "Frequently Asked Questions," or FAQ. That being said, an FAQ generally refers to a short list of questions (hence the "Frequently" part...). There are currently 296 subpages of Faq/ on the wiki, so perhaps it's time for a general rename -- perhaps to 'Questions/' ? Cheers, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
Hi :) All caps is "a bit shouty". In emails if you use all caps that is often seen as shouting. CamelCase looks friendlier Regards from Tom :) On 3 December 2013 22:35, Robinson Tryon wrote: > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Sophie wrote: >>> links? >>> >> I wrote this help part and sent a mail to this list on August that more >> information will be on the wiki and should be translated. >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/141 >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/142 >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/143 > > Hmm... so is the plan to link to TDF wiki pages from our docs? > > If we do start to link to pages under Faq* as documentation, perhaps > we should establish some kind of template for those pages (e.g. "This > page is now in official docs...do not move or rename this page without > ") > > As I've mentioned previously, I think we should come up with an > overarching gameplan for all of our documentation, just so that users > and others who get confused easily (such as I) can keep track of it > all :-) > > Cheers, > --R > > * It would be nice to use /FAQ instead (looks like something is > hard-coded there -- I pinged cloph about fixing it) > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Sophie wrote: >> links? >> > I wrote this help part and sent a mail to this list on August that more > information will be on the wiki and should be translated. > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/141 > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/142 > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/143 Hmm... so is the plan to link to TDF wiki pages from our docs? If we do start to link to pages under Faq* as documentation, perhaps we should establish some kind of template for those pages (e.g. "This page is now in official docs...do not move or rename this page without ") As I've mentioned previously, I think we should come up with an overarching gameplan for all of our documentation, just so that users and others who get confused easily (such as I) can keep track of it all :-) Cheers, --R * It would be nice to use /FAQ instead (looks like something is hard-coded there -- I pinged cloph about fixing it) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
Le 03/12/2013 21:30, Robinson Tryon a écrit : > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Olivier Hallot > wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi >> >> Just curious: While translating conditional formatting matters, I found >> at least 2 references to wiki pages with more detailed explanations. Is >> this new trend for help pages? unfortunately, these pages are not >> localized... > > links? > I wrote this help part and sent a mail to this list on August that more information will be on the wiki and should be translated. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/141 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/142 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/143 Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi > > Just curious: While translating conditional formatting matters, I found > at least 2 references to wiki pages with more detailed explanations. Is > this new trend for help pages? unfortunately, these pages are not > localized... links? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Help pointing to TDF wiki
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