Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English videos in help files
> Adolfo, > Change it to what? To a not yet existing Slovenina subtitles version or to > a wiki page saying this is actually not a link to video? > Moot point? The pages with embedded videos are just in master, so not released to the public, therefore not a cause for panic. Yes, there is no Slovenian video now, but we have created video translations before, and I expect that we’ll be able to translate them well before August. Alternatively, yes, we can change the URL in Pootle if some team decided to produce their own video—otherwise I don’t understand why it was exposed to Pootle in the first place. > Sure, I will rest my case and stop spreading FUD, cause that is obviously > what I am doing to this project for the last 20 years ... You have not been spreading FUD for 20 years. If I recall, you’ve been providing Slovenian users with a top-notch, perfectly localized version of a free office suite for the last 20 years. What I do think is that this thread’s tone became unnecesarily alarming for little reason. On Sophie’s point about the legality of embedding a video in French-language pages, that is ultimately a question for our legal folks[*], but I see no reason why we couldn’t localize that video. In any case, if it becomes too much of a burden, a simple “git revert” will make it vanish, and ta-da! Problem solved. We should be embracing videos; do you really think that all of our users are willing to read walls of text? Older adults may find it increasingly difficult to read, for instance, or we could be having some visual learners out there. If I learned something from being a teacher, is that different people learn in different ways. Having content in more formats can only benefit LibreOffice. Adolfo. [*] Slightly off-topic, personal P.S.: France’s language policy is ridiculous and discriminatory (Remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergonha ?); they wouldn’t even ratify the European Charter so minorized languages would receive protection… -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English videos in help files
Adolfo, 2018-04-28 15:54 GMT+02:00 Adolfo Jayme Barrientos: > > > You can already change the URL of the embedded video in your translation, > so… Moot point? > Change it to what? To a not yet existing Slovenina subtitles version or to a wiki page saying this is actually not a link to video? Moot point? > > Also, I don’t get your negativity, Martin. You talk about “project leaders” > not communicating when in fact we are all on the same level. If you ever > had a look at the Git log https://cgit.freedesktop.org/ > libreoffice/help/log/ > you’ll see that we, translators, are the ones pushing fixes to the help > content. So don’t make it seem like there’s some kind of inexistent > hierarchy of people disconnected with the rest of translators. Maybe you’re > the one who should be asking for more information before spreading this > FUD. Olivier has been quite open about adding videos to help, to give a > pointed example. > > Sure, I will rest my case and stop spreading FUD, cause that is obviously what I am doing to this project for the last 20 years ... Lp, m. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English videos in help files
Missatge de Martin Srebotnjakdel dia dc., 25 d’abr. 2018 a les 14:56: > +1000 > Please, documentation writers and project leaders, try to understand there > might be l10n issues with introducing fanciful features like this without > any consultation with l10n teams ... Is it so hard to communicate in > advance the wonderful features you are preparing and to check out if they > present any trouble to l10n teams and how to go about those in advance? > Lp, m. You can already change the URL of the embedded video in your translation, so… Moot point? Also, I don’t get your negativity, Martin. You talk about “project leaders” not communicating when in fact we are all on the same level. If you ever had a look at the Git log https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/help/log/ you’ll see that we, translators, are the ones pushing fixes to the help content. So don’t make it seem like there’s some kind of inexistent hierarchy of people disconnected with the rest of translators. Maybe you’re the one who should be asking for more information before spreading this FUD. Olivier has been quite open about adding videos to help, to give a pointed example. Adolfo -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English videos in help files
Þann fim 26.apr 2018 08:28, skrifaði Marina Latini: It is not appropriate to have lots of amateur legal speculation on this list. Please, don't discuss these issues here. I don't think this was just speculation, Sophie gave a concrete example along with questions about how we should approach the subject; we have a bunch of guidelines and protocols on how we treat other types of information/media (e.g. screenshots) - it's time to think about the how/where/why of video integration in documentation *before* these get scattered all over the place. I say this because I've seen some projects go progressively into more and more video-howtos, with classic documentation lingering. Best regards, Sveinn í Felli If you have a genuine concern around a legal issue please setup a call with Simon or Eike who are responsible for legal topics on the board, please provide only the briefest of rational for such a call. Thanks. Marina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English videos in help files
It is not appropriate to have lots of amateur legal speculation on this list. Please, don't discuss these issues here. If you have a genuine concern around a legal issue please setup a call with Simon or Eike who are responsible for legal topics on the board, please provide only the briefest of rational for such a call. Thanks. Marina -- Marina Latini IRC: deneb_alpha on Freenode GPG key "ID" 0xF010C774 - DAEC 51E7 4316 5FAE EAE0 F256 3DB8 2837 F010 C774 Better use 64-bit 0x3DB82837F010C774 here is why: https://evil32.com/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English videos in help files
Hi, all, 2018-04-25 19:21 GMT+02:00 Sophie: > > Could it be possible to ask for translation of these videos before they > are embedded in the help? or otherwise have the possibility to disable > the video completly? > +1000 Please, documentation writers and project leaders, try to understand there might be l10n issues with introducing fanciful features like this without any consultation with l10n teams ... Is it so hard to communicate in advance the wonderful features you are preparing and to check out if they present any trouble to l10n teams and how to go about those in advance? Lp, m. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted