Re: [lace] sage advice wanted
Dear Barbara, Tatting cotton is the *only* cotton other than that made specifically for bobbin lacemaking that I'd use. Crochet cotton has the wrong twist, and is too springy to make good bobbin lace. (IMHO!) As for wotcher, I think of it as meaning something like hello, how are you. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) barbara pierpont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello all, 1. Is tatting cotton OK for bobbin lacemaking? 2. British friends, what does wotcher mean? Barbara in lovely, sunny (yet cool! what a treat!) Kentucky http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities! Try Yahoo! Personals, FREE for a limited period! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] tating cotton
I am a relative newbie and I made a collar of two colors of tatting cotton. It was very nice to work and the results were very nice, at least as far as the thread was concerned. Judy B - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] summer/winter projects
Hi all, I am currently working on a rectangular mat that I expect to finish this month. It is the 7th. of a total of 10 patterns which are going to be included in a self published pattern booklet that I am planning to sell next winter (possibly October/November). The lace is a very refined continuous tape lace, worked with 10/12 pairs of bobbins and cotton thread # 80, which appeared in the S.W. of Spain (Seville and Extremadura) in the beginning of the 20th. Century. Its source is not well documented but it is supposed that a centre-European lacemaker taught to Spanish lacemakers the technique and it caught on this area, where it was called Point Extremeño. Thanks to Tess and the Professor, I have had the opportunity to read the book La Dentellerie à la Checoslovaquie, where I have found out pictures of old laces very similar to that of Point Extremeño. Greetings from Barcelona. (Our summer is being one of the hottest of the late years) -- Carolina. Barcelona. Spain. http://www.geocities.com/carolgallego - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Pounds, shillings and pence
Annette wrote: I'm not old enough to remember farthings, since they were withdrawn when I was about 3 years old, but I have seen them - I think they had a robin on the back. The bird on the back of a farthing was a wren - the smallest British bird for the smallest British coin. I have one on a bobbin somewhere, for luck. Bridget, in sunny Watford, UK _ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: [not lace] sage advice wanted
(snio) As for wotcher, I think of it as meaning something like hello, how are you. Ruth Sounds to me as though it's what's happened to What cheer ? over many years (probably I read it in one of the Bronte books - or Dickens ?) Toni in Seattle - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] dropout lacers...
Hi all Just a message to wish the convention lacers well (now that you've dropped out temporarily) and we look forward to hearing all after you recover :)) In the meantime the rest of us will keep the lace fires burning, eh? (Canadian expression I just made up) Lise, I liked your method of applying starch to a lot of ornaments. The summer/winter project responses are *super* In case anyone cares, I'm turning the third corner of Pattern VIII (Niven, hanky) and slowly creeping to the goal of 13 inches of Flanders ground decorative double-sided edging...5.5 inches, whoo-hoo. bye for now Bev who is going to make lace in the garden today in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Joan Kelly's designs
Someone was looking for Joan Kelly's designs but I can't remember who. At our bi-monthly lace day today our supplier had the last of her designs for sale. Seemingly, at the age of 76 Joan thinks it is time she retired :-) for your information the supplier with some dsigns left is: Sue Randall, 28 Heol y felin, NEATH, South Wales, SA10 7SD Tel:01639 638001 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this is helpful Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Winter/Summer Projects
As I posted just recently I just finished 52 inches of Bucks Point Honesty pattern for the Christening Bonnet/Hankie for our Granddaughter. I also did a tape lace cross with a chevron design done the middle. The chevron was pink silk and the outside edge pair was also pink silk with the main thread white cotton. This was placed in her Baby Bible. I am now working on crocheting her baby blanket. She was born in May. I had to wait until I knew she was a girl before I could start the blanket because her Mother wanted color in the blanket. It is the double shell pattern in white, lanvender, and pink. This spring I took classes in both Blonde and s'Gravensmore. Those patterns are still on the pillows to finish. Now that the Baby gifts are finished (almost) I will return to my class projects. Pam - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace Guild Web Site update
Shirley in Adelaide wrote: Jean is off to the US of A at the weekend to the IOLI lacefest - for which I even found a pic of Hasbrouck Heights - isn't Google wonderful!) Coincidence?? Our Australian Lace Guild Conference (which is a week long) will be held at another HH place. If you go to http://www.hosannaheights.com/ Just a reminder, as it says on the web site, that if you have a lace event that you think is of international (rather than just local) interest, let us know and we'll be happy to include it in our events section. We insist on a graphic, but we can usually find something ourselves if need be. Sometimes people send info about courses or events in continental Europe to the Lace Guild for inclusion in Lace magazine, but as that only appears every three months, announcements often appear too late for people to plan. In contrast, we can post on the website within a couple of days, so please also communicate directly with us. Although the info doesn't reach quite the same audience, currently our home page is accessed 1100 times per week, and is the first item on the list when you search for the term 'lace' with Google. David (and Jean who is having a stressful time packing) -- Jean Leader Glasgow, Scotland, UK Lace Guild web site: http://www.laceguild.org - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] sage advice wanted
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Barbara wrote: Hello all, 1. Is tatting cotton OK for bobbin lacemaking? If a thread can be put on some sort of bobbin, and won't break when pulled, then it can be used for bobbin lace. Some threads are hard to use - shiny ones have a tendency to spring off the bobbins - and some are easy. Different threads give a different look to the work and which threads are best is a matter of personal taste. I personally do not like the look of tatting or crochet cotton in bobbin lace. The roundness of the thread and the tight spin on it mean that it remains very much as individual threads going over and under one another in an area of cloth stitch. I prefer the look of a more matte thread that has not been so tightly spun. So buy one colour, try it, and see whether you like it or not. -- Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. Henry Louis Mencken Steph Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tatting, lace stitching page http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/index.htm - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders
Hi all, again!!! It took all my brain power to write the reply to Jacquie below that I forgot to sign it. Doh, what a nut case. Jenny, Mother of Matthew who turns the bobbins for me to pyrograph and then add the sparklers. - Original Message - From: jshester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders Hi all, Matthew sells these glass UFOs and the acetate discs and I design pattern for them which we sell at lace fairs/days. I use an acetate disc which can be in any colour to support the lace as the floppy lace doesn't do justice to itself when lying flat on the bottom of the UFO. I use UHO or Bostick all purpose adhesive to stick the lace on the outer and inner edge to the acetate. There must be a hole of 3cm cut in the centre of the disc. Let dry and then comes the tricky bit. Quite hard to describe but I'll do my best. Imagine the 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock lines on the acetate disc. Bend the acetate with the lace inside so that 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock meet, put your index finger along the 12 or 6 o'clock line, depending on being right or left handed and carefully bend the acetate around your finger so that it is bent in quarters, making sure that the acetate is not creased just bent. Put the 6 -12 o'clock bend into the UFO and edge the other 3 and 9 bends in and gradually tease the acetate into shape by putting your fingers into the small hole at the centre and pulling the bends out. Being acetate it wants to straighten and it helps you as much as it can. Then cut a small piece of sticky back plastic and stick over the small hole to attach it to the UFO. So much easier to demonstrate than explain. I hope this helps and the second one is always easier :-) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders One of my students bought a candle holder which I can best describe as a ring doughnut shape. She has finished the lace and came asking for advice as to how the lace and glass/plastic holder are best put together. She had decided that the lace alone was too limp and had cut a ring of felt to put behind it, but didn't like the effect. The felt hadn't helped to support the lace a lot anyway, and we all agreed that the glass needs to remain see-through. If just the lace is put in, it lies against the lower curve of the glass, a lot of its beauty is lost and it moves around. Another student thought that the sample one at the suppliers fair had a piece of acetate behind it, big enough to hold the lace up in the widest part of the curve, but we couldn't work out how to get a large ring of stiff acetate through the small hole in the base. If this is the right way to use the holder, is the lace sewn to the acetate to keep it central? The same problem of getting it through the hole would apply if the lace itself was stiffened enough to be self-supporting and lace alone would still lay in the bottom of the holder. The lace would look best if it was held against the top curve of the glass, but that would only be possible with glue. Have any arachnids used these candle holders, or closely studied how they are meant to be used? All ideas would be greatly appreciated. My student is so proud of her lovely piece of lace, which has made the difficulty in mounting it doubly disappointing. Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders
(snip) The lace would look best if it was held against the top curve of the glass, but that would only be possible with glue. (snip) Jacquie If you were to consider the 'donut' to be a 'mold', and wet the lace - put it wrong side *up* *in the mold* - and let it dry that way - does the lace have enough 'body' to retain the curve ? Or would it require a weight of some sort to hold it down ? Which would, of course, increase the time for the lace to dry . . . Toni in Seattle - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders
Ooohhh, I am so reminded of the lace/candlestick incident my DH and I experienced --- We were just married and were given a beautiful set of candlesticks with tatted lace around them. They were lovely. Were. We had a romantic dinner with the candles lit (this was early in the marriage, remember) and things progressed as newlywed affairs will doAnd we set the table on fire. We forgot to blow out the candles when we - umm, you know - went upstairs! The candle had melted down and caught the lace on fire. Which caught the tablecloth on fire, etc. And the moral of this story is: Keep the flames of love burning but blow out the candles first! Barbara in lovely, cool, Kentucky g - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Grammar
This is not so much grammar as a local expression. In Somerset, instead of saying Where is it? or Where's mum gone? they say Where's it to? and Where's mum to? When I first heard it I thought they were saying Where is it going to?, but they weren't. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Friar's Balsam
Dear Noelene, Re Friar's Balsam Highly recommended, but whatever you do, DON'T throw the stuff out down the kitchen/bathroom sink - when cold, it will block the drains! It is a healing compound, and was once also used for healing cuts and wounds. Quite true. It will heal any small crack or cut overnight - but you'll need something between your teeth when you put it on(worse than Metho). It is also THE best glue for forming a perfect seal for colostomy bags - but NEVER get it near the stoma. David To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Things We Keep
I grew up in the fifties with practical parents -- a Mother, God love her, who washed aluminum foil after she cooked in it, then reused it. She was the original recycle queen, before they had a name for it... A Father who was happier getting old shoes fixed than buying new ones. Their marriage was good, their dreams focused. Their best friends lived barely a wave away. I can see them now, Dad in trousers, tee shirt and a hat and Mom in a house dress, baby in one hand, dishtowel in the other. It was the time for fixing things -- a curtain rod, the kitchen radio, screen door, the oven door, the hem in a dress. Things we keep. It was a way of life, and sometimes it made me crazy. All that re-fixing, reheating, renewing, I wanted just once to be wasteful. Waste meant affluence. Throwing things away meant you knew there'd always be more. But then my Mother died, and on that clear summer's night, in the warmth of the hospital room, I was struck with the pain of learning that sometimes there isn't any 'more.' Sometimes, what we care about most gets all used up and goes away...never to return. So...while we have it...it's best we love it.and care for it.and fix it when it's broken.and heal it when it's sick. This is true.for marriage.and old cars.and children with bad report cards .and dogs with bad hips.and aging parents.and grandparents. We keep them because they are worth it, because we are worth it. Some things we keep. Like a best friend that moved away -- or -- a classmate we grew up with. There are just some things that make life important, like people we know who are special.and so, we keep them close! I received this from someone who thought I was a 'keeper'! Then I sent it to the people I think of in the same way. Love David To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] 10 Public Servants
TEN PUBLIC SERVANTS (A cautionary poem for our times) Ten Public Servants standing in a line One of them was downsized then there were nine. Nine Public Servants who must negotiate, One joined the union then there were eight. Eight Public Servants thought they were in heaven, 'til one of them was redeployed then there were seven. Seven Public Servants, their jobs as safe as bricks, But one was reclassified then there were six. Six Public Servants trying to survive, One of them was privatised, then there were five. Five Public Servants ready to give more, But one Golden Handshake reduced them to four. Four Public Servants full of loyalty, Their jobs were all advertised then there were three. Three Public Servants under review, One left on secondment then there were two. Two Public Servants coping on the run, One went on stress leave then there was one. The last Public Servant agreed to relocate, Replaced by 10 consultants at twice the hourly rate. David in Ballarat To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Grammar
Jean That is very similar to South Wales where they say Where to are you going?. My favourite, said around '73, '74, '75 in response, I think, to my talking about some event I was about to attend: Where to is it at then? As you can see, I have never forgotten it. Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] lace funny...
Clay, sorry to upset you on this but bling bling means expensive and over the top. If you wear all your expsenive jewllery at once and then some you are bling bling. Of if you put on all your designer labels at once and your jewllery then you are bling bling. Of course - this would require you to have more than one deigner label or piece of jewllery to wear. It started off as meaning expensive and good taste now it is tacky in such as Oh, you've got a diamond the size of a small african state which would feed a major 3rd world country - that's so bling bling. Jennifer Lopez is often refered to as bling bling and here in the UK Posh and Becks are bling bling - I've just had a word with Joe, who I work with and who knows (he's a DJ and very hip) and he said it's just simply that bling bling proves that money can't buy taste. However, there is always an exception to the rule in that in some people they are post ironic bling bling - in that they dress bling bling but that they are actually taking the mickey out of it. Ok, so you are all now confused. Regards Liz Beecher -Original Message- From: Clay Blackwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 August 2003 15:27 To: Arachne chat Subject: [lace-chat] lace funny... The other evening as I passed through the family room, I caught a tidbit from the late-night show my DH was watching. A very successful entertainer was explaining the expression, Bling Bling, which is apparently something he say a lot or which appears in his music. I've heard young people say bling bling, and think it's a catchy phrase! According to the entertainer, it means expensive, beautiful, highly desirable... I just read something on the lace list from Sulochona about what she is BLing now... and thought of the slang expression!! How absolutely appropriate!! Yes, our lace is bling bling! Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] lace funny...
Hi Liz ! Thank you SO much for straightening me out before I made a complete idiot of myself in public (like Arachne isn't public...) But I only heard a tiny bit of what he was saying, and that's what I got out of it... Goes to show! I'm awfully glad I haven't used that expression out loud anywhere (raging blush!) Clay - Original Message - From: Liz Beecher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Clay Blackwell' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Arachne chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: RE: [lace-chat] lace funny... Clay, sorry to upset you on this but bling bling means expensive and over the top. If you wear all your expsenive jewllery at once and then some you are bling bling. Of if you put on all your designer labels at once and your jewllery then you are bling bling. Of course - this would require you to have more than one deigner label or piece of jewllery to wear. It started off as meaning expensive and good taste now it is tacky in such as Oh, you've got a diamond the size of a small african state which would feed a major 3rd world country - that's so bling bling. Jennifer Lopez is often refered to as bling bling and here in the UK Posh and Becks are bling bling - I've just had a word with Joe, who I work with and who knows (he's a DJ and very hip) and he said it's just simply that bling bling proves that money can't buy taste. However, there is always an exception to the rule in that in some people they are post ironic bling bling - in that they dress bling bling but that they are actually taking the mickey out of it. Ok, so you are all now confused. Regards Liz Beecher -Original Message- From: Clay Blackwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 August 2003 15:27 To: Arachne chat Subject: [lace-chat] lace funny... The other evening as I passed through the family room, I caught a tidbit from the late-night show my DH was watching. A very successful entertainer was explaining the expression, Bling Bling, which is apparently something he say a lot or which appears in his music. I've heard young people say bling bling, and think it's a catchy phrase! According to the entertainer, it means expensive, beautiful, highly desirable... I just read something on the lace list from Sulochona about what she is BLing now... and thought of the slang expression!! How absolutely appropriate!! Yes, our lace is bling bling! Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] lace funny...
Clay, Ah, but I have the advantage of having a hip and trendy DJ only feet from me whilst on night shift who is up on all these words. I only recognised it as there has been an awful lot on tv over here in the UK about bling bling and how there are two main types who do it. Those who have more money than breeding and those who have breeding but no money. The former are, as our Joe put it, those who go to show money can't buy taste - they become famous and have lots of money and spend it on rolls royces and big houses with too many greek statues in them. The later are those who live off their family name schmoozing freebies out of major designers and will wear everything that they have been offered rather than what looks good. I'm not sure if you get AbFab where you are but in an episode of the lastest series Eddie wears every designer name outfit at once and all her designer name jewllery. She very proudly says that she is 'bling bling' and her daughter just snorts. Eddie thinks that bling bling is something to be aimed for, Saffie thinks its something that should be locked away for safety. Joe, our DJ also said that there are post ironic bling bling people like Justin Timberlake who has got both ears pierced and wears small $70,000 diamon earrings in each ear. He is saying that he is emulating bling bling but doing it with taste. OK - so doing it with taste is sort of about face on it as the whole thing about bling bling is that it is without taste - but that is why it is post ironic. So, you can use the phrase bling bling about lace but you would use it about a lace piece of gawdy lace that someone had bought and used wrong - for example, if a wedding vale looked like a piece of net curtain then you could say, when asked if you liked it 'that's very bling bling' and be both ironic and hip. Personally, I'd just for normal lace use words like 'wow', 'corr' and 'what an unusually choice of colours and motif - I never would have thought of that (whilst thinking 'I never would have done that')'. So, any more hip phrases you want translated then get them in this week as I'm changing jobs and will not have daily access to our Joe. Regards Liz Beecher -Original Message- From: Clay Blackwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 August 2003 00:22 To: Liz Beecher; Arachne chat Subject: Re: [lace-chat] lace funny... Hi Liz ! Thank you SO much for straightening me out before I made a complete idiot of myself in public (like Arachne isn't public...) But I only heard a tiny bit of what he was saying, and that's what I got out of it... Goes to show! I'm awfully glad I haven't used that expression out loud anywhere (raging blush!) Clay - Original Message - From: Liz Beecher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Clay Blackwell' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Arachne chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: RE: [lace-chat] lace funny... Clay, sorry to upset you on this but bling bling means expensive and over the top. If you wear all your expsenive jewllery at once and then some you are bling bling. Of if you put on all your designer labels at once and your jewllery then you are bling bling. Of course - this would require you to have more than one deigner label or piece of jewllery to wear. It started off as meaning expensive and good taste now it is tacky in such as Oh, you've got a diamond the size of a small african state which would feed a major 3rd world country - that's so bling bling. Jennifer Lopez is often refered to as bling bling and here in the UK Posh and Becks are bling bling - I've just had a word with Joe, who I work with and who knows (he's a DJ and very hip) and he said it's just simply that bling bling proves that money can't buy taste. However, there is always an exception to the rule in that in some people they are post ironic bling bling - in that they dress bling bling but that they are actually taking the mickey out of it. Ok, so you are all now confused. Regards Liz Beecher -Original Message- From: Clay Blackwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 August 2003 15:27 To: Arachne chat Subject: [lace-chat] lace funny... The other evening as I passed through the family room, I caught a tidbit from the late-night show my DH was watching. A very successful entertainer was explaining the expression, Bling Bling, which is apparently something he say a lot or which appears in his music. I've heard young people say bling bling, and think it's a catchy phrase! According to the entertainer, it means expensive, beautiful, highly desirable... I just read something on the lace list from Sulochona about what she is BLing now... and thought of the slang expression!! How absolutely appropriate!! Yes, our lace is bling bling! Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] 10 Public Servants
The last verse of David's rhyme: The last Public Servant agreed to relocate, Replaced by 10 consultants at twice the hourly rate. is similar, yet quite different, to what happened to my younger brother. He worked for BP oil as an executive engineer, on a very nice salary, thank you very much, along with a whole bunch of others. Then there were redundancies over several years, and then my brother's turn came. He got his lump sum and pension at the age of 48, set himself up as a consultant and registered with an agency. He was immediately employed by BP at three times what they were paying him while he was one of their employees. That was 10 years ago and he's still being employed by BP as a consultant. He's one of those people for whom everything turns out more than better than it was before. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
