[lace] Torchon lace - history
Gidday all, I am in urgent need of historical info on specifically Torchon lacemaking. I have wracked my brains, my books and the internet, but everyone seems to talk about lacemaking in general, or the earliest records of lacemaking, or else goes into great detail about lacemaking in England, the many European laces etc., but Torchon itself seems to be just glossed over, even though it is so widespread now and the basic lace that most people learn first. I know the word Torchon comes from the French for dishrag or something similar, and I've seen a vague reference in Mincoff Marriage about Scandanavian areas making Torchon early on, but it didn't elaborate. I also found that Torchon was (supposedly) rarely made in England until the end of the 1800s, but that's about it so far. Lori's history links on the wonderful Sewfairy site are terrific - but again I haven't been able to find anything specifically relating to Torchon and its origins. If anyone can point me in the right direction in a hurry I would be most appreciative. I don't have access to a guild library where I currently live so I was hoping there'd be info on the internet somewhere. Now its back to Miss Channer's Mat for me. Michelle Long an Aussie living in Richards Bay, South Africa where it is hot and sticky and I was going to the movies but the garage remote isn't working so I can't get my car out until someone comes to investigate! Ian Chelle Long +27 35 788 0777 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Torchon lace - history
Hi Michelle - An excellent resource on the internet is the Digital Archives of Documents Related to Lace which has been put together by Tess Parrish and Ralph Griswold. The articles on the website are mixed in with articles about weaving and textiles, but there is a wealth of information there. http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books.html Other arachnids may remember whether there is a discrete area for lacemaking - I've gotten the CDs, so I don't use the website. Clay - Original Message - From: Ian Chelle Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace-Digest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:42 AM Subject: [lace] Torchon lace - history Gidday all, I am in urgent need of historical info on specifically Torchon lacemaking. I have wracked my brains, my books and the internet, but everyone seems to talk about lacemaking in general, or the earliest records of lacemaking, or else goes into great detail about lacemaking in England, the many European laces etc., but Torchon itself seems to be just glossed over, even though it is so widespread now and the basic lace that most people learn first. I know the word Torchon comes from the French for dishrag or something similar, and I've seen a vague reference in Mincoff Marriage about Scandanavian areas making Torchon early on, but it didn't elaborate. I also found that Torchon was (supposedly) rarely made in England until the end of the 1800s, but that's about it so far. Lori's history links on the wonderful Sewfairy site are terrific - but again I haven't been able to find anything specifically relating to Torchon and its origins. If anyone can point me in the right direction in a hurry I would be most appreciative. I don't have access to a guild library where I currently live so I was hoping there'd be info on the internet somewhere. Now its back to Miss Channer's Mat for me. Michelle Long an Aussie living in Richards Bay, South Africa where it is hot and sticky and I was going to the movies but the garage remote isn't working so I can't get my car out until someone comes to investigate! Ian Chelle Long +27 35 788 0777 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Vamberk Lace
Hi Avril. Many thanks for the web sites for Czech lace.There is much to admire. I am going to Prague in July so will look forward to seeing the lace itself. Anne Drew, in a very cloudy North Herts U.K. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Vamberk website
The material concerning Milca Eremiasova's lace on this website is essentially contained in a recently published book Milca Eremiasova:The Language of Lace. I purchased this book through Lacy Susan: It was reviewed in a recent issue of Lace, the magazine of the English Lace Guild. Website and book are wonderful. Thanks so much, Avril, for noting the website. --- Doris O'Neill--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Canadian suppliers
For a Canadian supplier who stocks everything for the lacemaker, including all the latest books, don't forget Gail Young at http://trilliumlace.ca Her prices are very competitive and she's also very knowledgable. Sharon..on Sunny Vancouver Island..where Spring is definately in the air :) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Romanian Point Lace Patterns
Dear Spiders I was out giving a lecture last night (Golden Domes and Samovars - a Russian adventure but with only a bit of Vologda lace) so could not reply on crossing braids. Miriam does not come until Friday, so I have time. I have been sorting out pieces of Romanian lace to illustrate the talk I am to give on the Romnian Lace book to our Mercian lace Association on Saturday. Several of the lace items from Romania have crossed braids. This is more likely on the larger pieces, so that the depth of the crossing does not appear to be so great. One mat has the braid looped round the outer border, just like Battneburg. It is the one illustrated in my book on pages 134 and 135. There is no reason why a Battenburg pattern should not be adapted by making the braids just touch instead of the loops crossing. When Kathleen made her cushion, she included a central area made up of an interwoven lattice of the braid, following an idea from a Romanian mat. A mat I bought in Poland has a large lattice area in the middle, but the border loops are not crossed I think this is a personal choice whether to cross the braids or not. It is not easy for a beginner to joing ends neatly. I well remeber the Romanian lace class at my home that Steph referred to. The young Romanian girl was good at making lace, but with no real teaching experience had started us on a pattern that had dozens of joins. Far better to have a continuous design line wherever possibe. It is Mercian Lace 25th anniversary on Saturday and I am really looking forward to the day and having Miriam with me. I have already packed up for the day as we will be doing much talking. Kathleen, who collaborated on the book with me and my lace friend Pauline are coming tomorrow for lunch, so I had better get some cooking done. Angela in still rather chilly spirngtime Worcestershire UK. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Torchon lace - history
Michelle There is actually a small amount of authentic historical information on torchon. The book LePompe 1559 is a pattern book published in 1559 which consists of woodcuts of patterns for bobbin lace. It is the oldest pattern book in existence. Most of the designs are for braided lace (lace made of plaits) but some are tape lace and some show designs which could easily be interpreted as torchon. In 1983 Santina Levey, Patricia Payne and Bridget Cook collaborated on a facsimile printing of part of the volume, in paperback (published by Ruth Bean) ISBN 0 903585 16 2. If your local lace guild has a library, maybe they have a copy. So, from this book, we know that torchon existed from a very early date. Nobody has been able to date any bobbin lace earlier than 1485. So this is pretty early. But there is no evidence that torchon was the first form invented. Remember that this book, published in 1559, is mostly braid based laces, with some tape lace and some torchon. So all three of those forms existed simultaneously, and very early. One does find early torchon or similar laces as insertions in household linen (pillow covers, etc.). I have seen some torchon worked in gold thread at the Art Institute of Chicago dating from the 1600s. This gold lace would have been appliquéd onto fabric, rather than used as an edging, possibly on thick velvet or brocade garments, possibly on a coverlet or cape. I have also seen photographs of Russian torchon dating from the 1800s, worked in color, many still attached to towels and coverlets. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] beginning books
Thanks! I'll check out your websites. Cinde - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Humour
I lookd at the monologue site, and the words of Gerard Hoffnung's The Bricklayer's Story, which was mentioned a few weeks ago, are there in full: http://www.monologues.co.uk/Bricklayers_Story.htm Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] doodad for pillows
Hi there, can anyone remind me where I saw instructions for making a triangular pocket to pin to my lace pillow for holding scissors, crochet hook etc. I could have sworn that I'd printed the instructions but I can't find them anywhere. I've looked on the Lacefairy site but can't see anything there so I'm stumped. jenny barron Scotland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] doodad for pillows
Dear Jenny, David Collyer has excellent instructions which I have used quite a bit. Maybe he'll reprint them for the list since it's been quite awhile since he did so. Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA Barron wrote: ...can anyone remind me where I saw instructions for making a triangular pocket to pin to my lace pillow for holding scissors, crochet hook etc... To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Travelling Companions
A man and a woman, who have never met before, find themselves assigned to the same sleeping room on a Transcontinental train. Although initially embarrassed and uneasy over sharing a room, the two are tired and fall asleep quickly -- he in the upper bunk and she in the lower. At 2:00 a.m., he leans over and gently wakes the woman, saying, Ma'am, I'm sorry to bother you, but would you be willing to reach into the closet to get me a second blanket? I'm awfully cold. I have a better idea, she replies. Just for tonight, let's pretend that we're married. Wow! That's a great idea!! he exclaims. Good, she replies, So get your own blanket. Malvary, in Ottawa To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] wattle for ANZAC Day???
Why wattle? It should be Flanders poppies for ANZAC Day! It's the wrong season in Australia for wattle, but you might be able to get some from the south of France, it's called mimosa there... Helene, the froggy from Melbourne. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] wattles and mimosa
I beg to differ too, David, Mimosa IS wattle. It was imported from Australia in the 18th century and colonised in the south of France which is warm enough for it. There are very few species of it in France, not the 500 and some which we have in Australia. There is also another tree called acacia in French which has got similar, but bigger size leaves, but a completely different flower. that one grows in other regions of France. I quote from a small book called A field guide to Victorian wattles: Wattles belong to the genus Acacia, and early settlers originally applied the name wattle to those species with pliant branches suitable for building wattle and daub huts.A few Australian wattles are grown in other parts of the world especially in South Africa and along the Riviera in southern Europe where the Silver Wattle is known locally as Mimosa We (the French, I mean) also have quite a lot of eucalypts in the south, and so do the Spaniards, all of which grew from imported specimens brought back by naturalists who sailed to Australia in the 18-19th century. Josephine Bonaparte was renowned for her encouragemnet to botanists and their imports, and she loved to plant anything that looked like it would grow in France! Yours, a lifetime long love of eucalypts and wattles, now in heaven! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne I think you will find that MIMOSA is the same as wattle. Or it is almost the same - near enough. Although it might LOOK similar in flower, it is by no means a member of the Acacia family :) David in Ballarat Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
