Re: [lace] Re: Is it a rib
Hi Tamara, Congratulations on the new braid, I hope it does turn out as a new one, it's always exciting when a 'mistake' turns out not bad at all. Have you also checked in Rudmilla Zuman's book which was published in Prague last summer. She had some new braids. I am sorry I cannot find my copy at the moment. It seems as if it has gone an it's holidays and since we are going later today I haven't time to look for it! Jean in Cleveland U.K. On 23 Jan 2005, at 00:58, Tamara P. Duvall wrote: Yours, in frozen, sleet and snow covered Lextropolis, where I might have just invented another Milanese braid. I need to confirm that nothing *quite* like it is in my Milanese Bible (Old and New Testament, aka Milanese Lace; An Introduction and New Braids and Designs in Milanese Lace by P. Read and L. Kincaid). I'm pretty sure there isn't, even though, when I first started twiddling, I meant to use Crossover 1 (Intro). But now, it's made differently, and it looks different... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re Black Leaves
Hi Sue, I noticed many years ago that different dyes affect wool very differently, though could not say what the effect might be for black. I made a large number of Icelandic Lopi wool jumpers, in different colours. For anyone who has never come across this wool - it is sheeps wool, but only lightly spun to produce a thick thread. The wool came in various different degrees of dye. I was convinced that some of it had no, or little dye - but was in fact the result of spinning naturally coloured wools. These greys and beiges had the coarsest fibres of the wools - the fibres retaining some / most of their naturalness, and you could see that different wool fibres had different colours. The heaviest dyed colours lost the colour difference between the fibres to give a uniform colour, and the wool was also softer and smoother - the fibres having lost some of their properties. I used blue, cream, green and red - but the most distinctive was the red. The wool would fall apart with the least amount of stress. At the time, I likened it to knitting with cotton wool! Karen In Coventry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] help on english terminology
It would be nice if we English-speaking lace makers could standardize
our terminology. At the moment, we have to find somewhere in the
book/article how the author defines the two terms.
Here are the usual definitions:
U.S.: Cloth stitch is cross, twist, cross and Whole stitch is cross,
twist, cross, twist (i.e. 2 half stitches making 1 whole stitch)
U.K.: Whole stitch is cross, twist, cross and Whole stitch and Twist
is cross, twist, cross, twist ('cloth stitch' isn't used)
As a 'neutral' Canadian, I think the U.S. terminology is more logical
and prefer to use it.
On Sunday, January 23, 2005, at 06:54 AM, Carolina G. Gallego wrote:
As a non English mother tongue, I am wandering which is the difference
and the most important: what do you understand by wholestitch and
clothstitch.
Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada, where our third
blizzard in 10 days is about to start. We're expecting 40cm of snow.
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Re: [lace] help on english terminology
I was taught in the UK and was taught by Pat Read using Cloth Stitch
Over here as far as I am aware we use cloth stitch and whole stitch as
meaning the same thing.
Therefore what the US may know as wholestitch we would know as either
wholestitch and twist or clothstitch and twist.
I hope I haven't made things more complicated for you.
Claire
Kent, UK
On 23 Jan 2005, at 11:02 am, Margot Walker wrote:
It would be nice if we English-speaking lace makers could standardize
our terminology. At the moment, we have to find somewhere in the
book/article how the author defines the two terms.
Here are the usual definitions:
U.S.: Cloth stitch is cross, twist, cross and Whole stitch is cross,
twist, cross, twist (i.e. 2 half stitches making 1 whole stitch)
U.K.: Whole stitch is cross, twist, cross and Whole stitch and Twist
is cross, twist, cross, twist ('cloth stitch' isn't used)
As a 'neutral' Canadian, I think the U.S. terminology is more logical
and prefer to use it.
On Sunday, January 23, 2005, at 06:54 AM, Carolina G. Gallego wrote:
As a non English mother tongue, I am wandering which is the
difference and the most important: what do you understand by
wholestitch and clothstitch.
Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada, where our third
blizzard in 10 days is about to start. We're expecting 40cm of snow.
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Re: [lace] help on english terminology
At 02:54 AM 1/23/2005, you wrote: As a non English mother tongue, I am wandering which is the difference and the most important: what do you understand by wholestitch and clothstitch. Reading different lace books I have noticed the use of the 2 words without distinction. This comes up regularly because it is one of the conundrums of lacemaking. (I do pretest attributing it to the USA as in a couple other messages. The USA came into lacemaking long after this developed in Europe. We usually use the method our teacher used.) Two terminologies. English form: Half Stitch CT Whole Stitch CTC Double Stitch CTCT (or Whole Stitch and Twist) Continental form: Half Stitch TC or CT Cloth StitchCTC Whole Stitch TCTC or CTCT At the start of your book, have a page with the definitions that you are using in your book. Then each lacemaker can use or translate as they desire. This mix up of the wording of the stitches is one reason many pattern designers resort to diagrams more than words. (With my own students, I find I avoid the term of Whole Stitch completely. I use Half, Cloth, and Double -- just my own version. I do explain the two methods, though.) Best wishes with your book, Alice - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] help on english terminology
As you've already discovered, there are differences in terminology among English-speakers from various countries. Just knowing what definition is used in any given country doesn't solve your problem, as the discrepancies still exist. My suggestion for an author of any lace book is to define your terms at the beginning of the book. I am amazed how many books I own that do not do this--at which point I need to study the various designs in the book, compare to working diagrams and photos of the lace to figure out what the author means by linen stitch, cloth stitch, whole stitch, etc. I can adapt my little brain to one definition or the other as I move from book to book, as long as the author tells me how she defines a given term. Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA Hello spiders, As a non English mother tongue, I am wandering which is the difference and the most important: what do you understand by wholestitch and clothstitch. Reading different lace books I have noticed the use of the 2 words without distinction. I would like to be sure what I am writing, as I am preparing my second Witch Stitch book. Grateful in advance for your help. Carolina.Barcelona. Spain. -- - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Help on English Terminology
Through different teachers, I know whole stitch, cloth stitch and linen stitch as all being the same = cross, twist, cross. An extra twist (cross, twist, cross, twist) makes cloth stitch and a twist or whole stitch and a twist, but I've never heard it called linen stitch and a twist. I understand this is called the closed method - starting with cross. My present teacher teaches newbies the 'open method', but leaves us 'oldies' to continue as originally taught with the 'closed method'. I think the open method is twist, cross, twist for whole/cloth/double stitch, and half stitch is twist cross, so that whatever stitch you do, the passives hang parallel. I've also heard her used the term 'double stitch' which has something to do with cloth/whole/linen stitch, but I haven't asked what as I used the closed method. Jean in Poole, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] English Terminology (2)
Jacquie wrote: Double stitch is two half stitches ie one whole stitch, regardless of whether you are working in open or closed mode. If double stitch is two half stitches, surely half stitch should be called 'stitch' or 'single stitch'. None of this helps with books, especially the older ones. And, unless it's been changed in later editions, the log books for the UK Lace Guild Torchon assessments (I'm currently using the 2000 version for the advanced), uses the terms half stitch, half stitch and twist, cloth stitch and cloth stitch and twist. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] earrings and teens
There are more boys making lace at that age. We have just closed our last years (no 8) children's lace making contest and had again some boys taking part. They are about 7 to 14 years old. This year there was a boy, 11 years old, who started in January, taught himself by a book of Ulrike Lohr, because he had nobody around who could teach him. In July he came up with a sort of mat, Torchon, with about 30 pairs and in it his own pattern: the head of a magician. Around, not sewed with crotchet while working it (I believe, he didn't know how to do it), but afterwards with needle and thread, a surrounding of Torchon lace with spiders. We were all very impressed. I know that he is going on and we expect him to take part in our next contest. Our other impressing boy group was from a school for mentally disabled. They arranged a picture with technically simple patterns: a magician in the circus. They were not the first school of this sort taking part. Greetings from snowy Germany, Gabriele http://www.kloeppelkiste.de Sue Babbs schrieb: I loved the earrings, please tell your son he did a great job. I called my 23 year old daughter in too see the picture and she thought it was so sweet! How old is your son and how long has he been making lace? He's now 17, and hasn't really made lace since he was about 6. The only other occasion was about 2 years ago when he put a few stitches into a stole I was making for a priest and he wanted to be involved too. Sue - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Temporary closures of galleries at V A
I thought I should write to Arachne about the following I had to wait until today before I could. I was at the V A last weekend to see the Connect 2005 exhibition and sale of crafts. Afterwards I found that the Lace, Textiles, Fashion galleries were closed I was told for the foreseeable future. I was also told that I should have looked on the web first before deciding to go to the V A.. Well if you do go to the web site you will not see Lace or Textiles mentioned. It seems they have had artefacts stolen from many of the galleries, so they have decided to put a new security system in, plus there is a 10 year programme which has started to update all the galleries. So I suggest that if anyone wants to go to the V A to phone first to see which galleries are open. Jean Peach - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] introduction and pillow ?
Hello - I'm new to this list. I live in Midlothian VA and have been lacing for a couple of years and really, finally, everything clicked and am now addicted. I take lace lessons from a wonderful teacher, Susan Wenzel (lacysusan) who has really helped me. Last August my sister and I went to the IOLI convention in PA and after a week of lacing I could not get enough - the funny thing is when my sister told me she planned to take something like 30 hours of classes I thought that would be boring, well I signed up just to spend the time with her and it definately was not too much! We are planning our Denver trip - I bought our plane tickets ($202RT out of Dulles, each) have reserved a room and a car. We are going out a few days early. Now my question - has anyone flown with thier lace pillow? If so, what is the largest size pillow you were able to carry on? Thank you, Christina in VA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] help on english terminology
Hello Carolina When I first learned to make BL I was taught that although CT was half stitch, CTC was whole stitch or linen stitch. CTCT was double half stitch. Vera Rigney who taught me learned originally from a Mrs Helen Hoppe, who learned from her mother Mrs Mary Ainger, who in turn learned from her mother Mrs Jane Dillow who came from Buckinghamshire. Nowadays I say 'half stitch' for CT, 'cloth stitch' for CTC and 'cloth twist' or 'double-half stitch' for CTCT. A similar terminology problem happens with rose-ground and honeycomb. Modern (English) lacemakers usually think of rose-ground as a four pin version of the Flemish cane-ground or five-hole ground and honeycomb as the filling very commonly found in point ground laces such as Bucks Point. However, old books (including Dillmont) refer to the point ground filling as rose ground whilst the five-hole ground is double ground or maidens net. Confusing?? Brenda On 23 Jan 2005, at 10:54, Carolina G. Gallego wrote: As a non English mother tongue, I am wandering which is the difference and the most important: what do you understand by wholestitch and clothstitch. Reading different lace books I have noticed the use of the 2 words without distinction. I would like to be sure what I am writing, as I am preparing my second Witch Stitch book. Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] introduction and pillow ?
I've taken my 20-inch pillow carry-on several times (since I don't have a box big enough to fit it in, so I can't put in in check-in baggage), on Southwest and Alaska Airlines, and I haven't had any trouble. I even took it carry-on once with lace on it, and all the pins and such, and also no trouble. Weronika On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 08:48:43PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello - I'm new to this list. I live in Midlothian VA and have been lacing for a couple of years and really, finally, everything clicked and am now addicted. I take lace lessons from a wonderful teacher, Susan Wenzel (lacysusan) who has really helped me. Last August my sister and I went to the IOLI convention in PA and after a week of lacing I could not get enough - the funny thing is when my sister told me she planned to take something like 30 hours of classes I thought that would be boring, well I signed up just to spend the time with her and it definately was not too much! We are planning our Denver trip - I bought our plane tickets ($202RT out of Dulles, each) have reserved a room and a car. We are going out a few days early. Now my question - has anyone flown with thier lace pillow? If so, what is the largest size pillow you were able to carry on? Thank you, Christina in VA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] introduction and pillow ? (long)
Christina in VA asked - has anyone flown with their lace pillow? If so, what is the largest size pillow you were able to carry on? I've flown both domestically and internationally with lace pillows, and have given up trying to carry pillows onto the plane due to the size problem. When I take a class, I want a lace pillow that is large enough to do justice to the course and the teacher's time and skill. I also want to take a pillow that is versatile, and I want to have the ability to switch projects quickly, and to bring a project in process home. So I have a block pillow that I bring, and I bring along extra blocks with appropriate materials to bundle an in-process project along with the block upon which it sits. The block pillow has a rigid bottom, so it is quite strong. I have a good pillow carrier that is fairly tough and is made of waterproof fabric. I pad the top of the pillow with a bit of clothing (sweaters are best, but other things work). Then when I check the pillow in with the airline, I ask for it to be handled as a fragile item, so it is handled by hand. They stick very large Fragile stickers on it, and, after a number of trips, my pillow is still in great shape. The carrier shows a little wear, but nothing too dramatic. Bear in mind that the choices of pillow and cover are crucial to this working well. I would never do this with a pillow that is my most special, or a lightweight foam that might crush or snap into pieces. The cover needs to be waterproof (mine doesn't have a waterproof zipper, but is made of waterproof material). I know of others who are found or made a sturdy cardboard box of appropriate size and used that for the carrier. The key to this is that the box needs packing material to fill up the empty space, otherwise the package may get crushed a bit. Best of luck! Clare Milford, CT - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Blue Moon
Thanks for that info. I wasn't an IOLI member then (we were still living in the UK until Aug 1999) so I hadn't realised that it had been published in more than one magazine Sue - Original Message - From: Jane Viking Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:21 PM Subject: [lace] Re: Blue Moon Hi All, Sue the scarf is fabulous!! I also adore this pattern. Cathy Belleville brought the bookmark to Ithaca one year and it was in the exhibit of lace everyone had made. I think it's enchanting! The Moonlight Serenade bookmark was also published in the IOLI Bulletin, Volume 19, No. 4, Summer 1998-1999. Jane in Vermont, USA where it got up to 7F today and it's snowing like crazy. Usually it is warmer when it snows! [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace]airplanes and pillows
At 12:48 PM 1/23/2005, you wrote: We are planning our Denver trip - I bought our plane tickets ($202RT out of Dulles, each) have reserved a room and a car. We are going out a few days early. Now my question - has anyone flown with their lace pillow? If so, what is the largest size pillow you were able to carry on? Welcome Christina! Hope to meet you in Denver. If you are flying on only one airline, then the best thing would be to contact them for their particular rules and requirements. Their web page should give you most of this. Some airlines are more lenient than others. General rules these days preclude 'carrying on' a working pillow. The restriction of no sharp objects in carry-ons means no pins, no scissors, no sharp metal crochet hooks, etc. Just the pillow itself would pass, but possibly not the project pinned to it, and only if the pillow met the size limit. Round pillows tend not to fit well in the overhead compartments. Some planes have a special compartment to put odd shaped items in, but I've seen some people stopped at the point of boarding and made to check a weird item. Your pillow will probably need to be packed in a suitcase. Standard large cases will hold an 18 pillow. The extra large case might hold a 20 pillow. These days there are some square suitcases around. If you have one of these, then measure to see what will fit. I urge you to take only the minimum size that is needed for your class. I usually travel with a thin 18 pillow. It's big enough for most class projects, and takes the smallest space of my various pillows. For transport at the conference, I tie it into a 45 square carry cloth or take a fabric tote bag. A friend of mine made a nine-square block pillow for traveling to class. Being square, it fits better in a suitcase. The supporting frame is made from cardboard boxes so it is lightweight. Another thought -- I suggest taking your less expensive bobbins, if you have a choice. Just in case the suitcase is lost, you don't want your favorite, expensive bobbins lost. If you are new to lacemaking, you probably have only one set now, but in the future you will get more--maybe even at Denver in the Sales Room. Coming home, the project is apt to still be in progress, with pins in it. There is the choice of pushing all the pins fully into the pillow, or covering them with something to protect both the pins and other stuff. One easy cover is either a small box or a plastic butter container pinned down over the pins. Even an extra cover cloth, folded and pinned over the working area, would provide protection. Try to have extra room in your suitcase when you go, or you will have frustration packing all the extra stuff you will acquire when you come home. Or take a second case, folded up, in your big suitcase. (DH and I used to pack for trade shows with our things in one suitcase, then put that suitcase into the next size larger case. We then had only one to deal with going. Coming home, both cases were both used.) I talked to one person at Tulsa IOLI who went out and bought a second suitcase to travel home because she gained so many things. (Beware the temptation of the Sales Room.) G I guess the general idea is to Plan Ahead and Be Prepared. Check with your particular airline. And Have A Good Time!!! I'm looking forward to it, myself. Alice in Oregon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] introduction and pillow ?
In Australia, you cannot carry on *any* size pillow - the pins are regarded as a lethal weapon, and forbidden in the cabin of the aircraft. I had to resort to wrapping my pillow in bubble-wrap, and checking it in as Fragile luggage. I arrived at each end of the trip with bobbins and threads intact, although I must say, watching the way the baggage handlers move Fragile luggage, I'm certainly glad my pillow wasn't made of glass!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: [lace] introduction and pillow ? We are planning our Denver trip - I bought our plane tickets ($202RT out of Dulles, each) have reserved a room and a car. We are going out a few days early. Now my question - has anyone flown with thier lace pillow? If so, what is the largest size pillow you were able to carry on? Thank you, Christina in VA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace]airplanes and pillows
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 02:15:44PM -0800, Alice Howell wrote: General rules these days preclude 'carrying on' a working pillow. The restriction of no sharp objects in carry-ons means no pins, no scissors, no sharp metal crochet hooks, etc. Divider pins definitely wouldn't pass, but small pins might be OK - maybe there's some sort of size limit on the sharp objects, or something, but I've taken a pillow with work on it carry-on and the Security people didn't even ask questions. Just the pillow itself would pass, but possibly not the project pinned to it, and only if the pillow met the size limit. Round pillows tend not to fit well in the overhead compartments. Some planes have a special compartment to put odd shaped items in, but I've seen some people stopped at the point of boarding and made to check a weird item. The theoretical size limits aren't always enforced - on most flights I'm in at least half the people have bags larger than should be allowed, sometimes a lot larger. But if the flight is too full, the crew will make them check them in before they board the plane. So it's all fairly random. If you have a box or something that you can securely put the pillow in as check-in, that would be the best thing to do. Coming home, the project is apt to still be in progress, with pins in it. There is the choice of pushing all the pins fully into the pillow, or covering them with something to protect both the pins and other stuff. One easy cover is either a small box or a plastic butter container pinned down over the pins. Even an extra cover cloth, folded and pinned over the working area, would provide protection. Also securing the bobbins to the pillow (with a ribbon, or these nice crochet strips, or just wrapped in some fabric) in such a way that the thread between bobbin and lace is slightly loose, so that it won't break if the bobbins move around during transport, is a good idea. Try to have extra room in your suitcase when you go, or you will have frustration packing all the extra stuff you will acquire when you come home. Or take a second case, folded up, in your big suitcase. (DH and I used to pack for trade shows with our things in one suitcase, then put that suitcase into the next size larger case. We then had only one to deal with going. Coming home, both cases were both used.) Nice idea! Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace]airplanes and pillows
In a message dated 1/23/2005 5:16:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I talked to one person at Tulsa IOLI who went out and bought a second suitcase to travel home because she gained so many things. (Beware the temptation of the Sales Room.) There is always the option of going to a Pack and Ship and mailing your goodies home. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: airline, low fare pillow
Thank you all for the information. For those of you nearby Air Tran is having a sale on fares now. I did book through travelocity, after checking both the air tran site and a couple of the other sites. I also have a room(from the marriott chain), which is being totally renovated next month, at $54 a night. We chose Regan because it was $100 per ticket than Richmond and is fairly easy to get in and out of . One class we plan to take calls for a 16 or larger cookie. My sister suggested we get 16 and have my hubby cut an opening(he said he would offset it to give us more workroom) to insert blocks from our one-and-only. We want to carry our pillows and bobbins so that, in case our luggage takes a different route we willhave our tools. Christina in VA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Help on English Terminology
On Jan 23, 2005, at 11:17, Jean Nathan wrote: I understand this is called the closed method - starting with cross. I think the open method is twist, cross, twist for whole/cloth/double stitch, No, no, no. And *no* g If you're gonna stick to the closed method it doesn't matter, but if you should ever have to deal with the open method (essential on bolsters, and useful anywhere where you have loads of bobbins which are ruthlessly shoved off to make more room for working in front)... 1) It's not the *start* that matters, but the *end*. In situations where bobbins are likely to jump over or tangle, having them end up untwisted (open) is preferable, because it's easier to see that your pair's threads are parallel, then to count the twists on them, and it's also easy to see an unintended cross between two adjacent pairs. Since cloth stitch stitch (CTC) ends up with untwisted threads, it's made the same way - CTC - both in the closed and the open method. 2) Cloth stitch *is* called whole by most of Brits and Brit-trained folk (except Pat Read and her Milanese crowd; Milanese, afterall, is not a Brit lace g), but *never-ever* is it called double. Double stitch (a Scandinavian term, I think) is what it says: two half stitches, or a (Continental) whole stitch: CTCT (or TCTC, in the open method, to avoid ending with a T) Carolina... I came in late on this discussion and all I can do is endorse, wholeheartedly, that you level the ground for your readers by defining your stitches up-front. Either by thread-by-thread diagrams, or by using C T (or both g). C for cross and T for twist may not work in all languages, but it works both in English and in French (in German it is, I think, K D; no idea what it might be in other languages), and two for one is not bad... :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Help on English Terminology
2) Cloth stitch *is* called whole by most of Brits and Brit-trained folk (except Pat Read and her Milanese crowd; Milanese, afterall, is not a Brit lace g), And in the class I went to in England: cloth stitch (ie ctc) was synonymous with whole stitch (or linen stitch, if you want to add to the confusion) and either term was used depending on which word came to mind first Sue Babbs - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: English Terminology (2)
On Jan 23, 2005, at 12:01, Jean Nathan wrote: If double stitch is two half stitches, surely half stitch should be called 'stitch' or 'single stitch'. Maybe it *should*, but it *ain't* - it's half in every language I've come accross... It seems that all the logic has been applied to the execution of the various stitches, not to their naming :) OTOH, the (older) Brit naming system doesn't seem very logical, either; if a half stitch requires two movements (C+T), then 2+1 (C+T+C) shouldn't add up to whole... Except, of course, in creative accounting, so beloved by the mega firms g the log books for the UK Lace Guild Torchon assessments (I'm currently using the 2000 version for the advanced), uses the terms half stitch, half stitch and twist, cloth stitch and cloth stitch and twist. Hst+T being the honeycomb/roseground (and, 6 yrs down the road, I still think of it as CTT, not CT+T g)... It's the cloth+T (and no whole at all!) that caught my attention... Mostly because that's the one I've been - like Cato for the destruction of Carthage - pushing for, with monotonous regularity... :) Irrespective of *names* (and, as a linguist by training, I have a very healthy respect for words), it makes a *lot* of difference how you think of stitches, when you're drawing diagrams... If you think that your stitch is a 4-motion one (CTCT/TCTC), then the number of cross-hatches (indicating *additional* twists) is different than if you think of the stitch as being a 3-motion one (CTC). And, God forbid, you're trying to draw a BCC (Belgian Colour Code) diagram, it's sheer madness, with the colour switches... While it all could be taken care of via a single colour and the appropriate number of cross-hatches ... Give me simple, any time :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Terminology
When I started Lacemaking, I was taught Whole Stitch - Cross, Twist, Cross, Half Stitch - Cross, Twist, and Double Half-stitch - Cross, Twist, Cross, Twist. It all gets confusing, I agree. I suggest you use whichever terminology you are used to, but put a list in the front of the book, as to how you work the stitch. from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: New braid (was: Is it a rib)
On Jan 23, 2005, at 3:50, Jean Barrett wrote: Congratulations on the new braid, I hope it does turn out as a new one, I still can't find one like it in the two books... Though, naturally, I've not yet looked *real hard* :) If it does turn out to be a new one, it'll be 5th? 6th? One day I may have enough to publish a Toolbox addendum g it's always exciting when a 'mistake' turns out not bad at all. It wasn't even a real mistake... I did understand how to make the Crossover 1, but it wasn't precisely the look I was aiming at, so I kept on fiddling Have you also checked in Rudmilla Zuman's book which was published in Prague last summer. She had some new braids. Haven't; did not buy the book... As far as I'm concerned, Radmilla's designs are like Sandi Woods' ones - unique, and should stay that way. And, unlike Sandi's Radmilla's designs are too spiky for my taste - too many sharp angles and not enough curves - so, although I buy all Sandi's books (for drool factor), I didn't buy Radmilla's. It's the same old, same old dilemma... :) The artist who refuses to prostitute her/his art for the common consumption, and the common consumer who doesn't know about art, but knows what he/she likes, and votes with the wallet... :) I'm not surprised Radmilla has come up with new braids; it would take a mathematician (and I'm not one of them) to figure out in how many ways one can manipulate 10-20 pairs of bobbins, but my guess would be from here to eternity :) Like Torchon patterns... You have, now, made me sorry I didn't buy the book - some of hers and some of mine might overlap, which would skim some of the bubbles off my own pleasure in new! just invented! braids. But that's life :) Yours, in still-white and still-frozen Lextropolis -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace]airplanes and pillows
A lot of this advice will depend on the airport as well as the airline and the country. Just because your home airport allows you to bring your pillow to the plane doesn't mean the airport at the other end will. Even in these post-9/11 days, the strictness of security varies considerably among airports. I strongly suggest you buy or make a new pillow that will fit into your suitcase, or a new suitcase that will take your pillow. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - General rules these days preclude 'carrying on' a working pillow. The restriction of no sharp objects in carry-ons means no pins, no scissors, no sharp metal crochet hooks, etc. Divider pins definitely wouldn't pass, but small pins might be OK - maybe there's some sort of size limit on the sharp objects, or something, but I've taken a pillow with work on it carry-on and the Security people didn't even ask questions. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] bent pins
Hi, Does anyone in the UK know where we can send bent pins please? My lace group always used to give them to Christine Springett and then Fountains. We used to save them all year and then someone would take them to the NEC. We haven't heard of anywhere we can send them now and wonder if it's worth still collecting them? Many thanks, Anne Nicholas Hanworth Middx. England To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal
Dear Secret Pal, Thank you for your parcel, which has arrived safely. Unfortunately, I will not be seeing its contents for several months, as I am overseas. However, a friend has told me what was inside and it all sounds delightful, especially as I collect bobbins. I notice that some of the information given for secret pals are things I forgot to mention, so here goes. I have pierced ears and I love chocolates! The weather here is freezing cold, we're in the middle of winter, but clear blue skies, with lots of sunshine every day. Can't say where I am yet, but will tell you when I return to Australia. Thanks again, Megan (not in Sale, Australia!) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] bent pins
Hi Lynn, A good question but it definitely was something to do with charity !! I think they might have been melted ?? Anne Nicholas Hanworth Middx England - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anne Nicholas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] bent pins Okay why do you save them, and what gets done with them? Lynn, Wollongong, Australia To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] bent pins
Yes, Anne, that's right. Bent brass pins were collected by Springetts from all over the UK...and each year they'd take the collection to a metal merchant and sell them to be melted down and recycled. Springetts gave the money they received for the pins to charity. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) - Original Message - From: Anne Nicholas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace-chat@arachne.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] bent pins Hi Lynn, A good question but it definitely was something to do with charity !! I think they might have been melted ?? Anne Nicholas Hanworth Middx England - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anne Nicholas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] bent pins Okay why do you save them, and what gets done with them? Lynn, Wollongong, Australia To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
