Re: [lace] Lace@Arachne's Birthday

2011-04-15 Thread Maureen Bromley
I have had a gentle reminder from her about trimming posts as well.But 
it was in my early days, I have only been on the list for a couple of years. 
In my defence, I didn't really know that I should trim posts. Happy 
Anniversary Arachne.


Maureen
E Yorks UK

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[lace] Help.......Andrea Lamble

2011-04-15 Thread Andrea Lamble
Hi,I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,sorry I did not inform you about my
trip.I actually made a quick trip to Madrid (Spain) and unfortunately attacked
and mugged at a gun point on the way to my hotel,all cash,credit card and cell
were stolen off me but luckily I still have my passport with me.
I`ve been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not helping issues at
all and my return flight leaves anytime from now but I`m having problems
settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until I
settle the bills.
Am freaked out at the moment and need help.

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[lace] Spam again? Andrea Lamble

2011-04-15 Thread Laceandbits
Looks like Andrea's computer has been invaded.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire

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Re: [lace] RE: the new book from Martina Wolter-Kampmann happy birthday Ara...

2011-04-15 Thread Laceandbits
I have written to Roseground to find out if they are going to stock it in 
the UK.  They seem to have the best selection of European books.

I use Ulrike's book a lot, but find that most people who have it expect it 
to work by osmosis from the book shelf.  Once you work through some of her 
samples, there are a lot of excellent techniques in there.  For a mat with 
lots of ground, her detour technique will make a near invisible join, and it's 
just this sort of design which is hard to join by traditional methods.

Another good book for joins is the Springetts book on Magic Threads.  This 
will show you near perfect joins for Beds lace.

If there is even one more technique in the new book it will be worth the 
money to me.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire

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Re: [lace] Spam again? Andrea Lamble

2011-04-15 Thread C. de la Guardia

Yes, I think so, because the mails are sent to undisclosed recipients.
On the other hand, though robberies in the street may happen, people  in 
Spain does not own guns.


Carolina

laceandb...@aol.com escribió:

Looks like Andrea's computer has been invaded.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire

  


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Re: [lace] RE: the new book from Martina Wolter-Kampmann happy birthday Arachne

2011-04-15 Thread maria greil
I have Martina's book and it is more than interesting.
Ulrike likes to finish her laces with knots in the traditional way and
Martina teaches how to do it with magic threads and using other quite
interesting methods. For me Martina's 'Invisible' is a step forward in
achiving tidy finishes. The explanations in the book are clear but if you
have still any doubt, there is the DVD (in German and English) to help you.

Maria Greil from Spain

2011/4/15 Louise Bailey bail...@slb.com

 Dear Arachnes,

 This looks a very interesting book - tidy finishes are one of the reasons I
 avoid mats  handkerchiefs! Has anyone had a chance  to see how it compares
 to Ulrike Lohr's 'beginning of the end'?

 Looking back at my email archive (I do clean it out regularly but keep most
 arachne stuff) I see I joined in 1996 - gulp that means I've been making
 lace about that long. Finding Arachne was a great boon, and I learnt a lot
 and have met some lovely people through it.  I still appreciate finding the
 email digests when I come into work - it keeps me sane!  Thanks Liz, and
 everyone for keeping it going.

 Louise

 In Cambridge - with signs of spring - primroses, cowslips and bluebells not
 to mention the May blossom stating early. My mother told me her mother said
 it was unlucky to bring Hawthorn into the house except in May - but she was
 thinking of June not April!

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RE: [lace] Danish twins wearing lace

2011-04-15 Thread Jay Ekers
Adding an  s solves the problem
i.e. blogspot

Jay in Sydney

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Sent: Friday, 15 April 2011 8:27 AM
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Danish twins wearing lace

I couldn't get this page to work but there are many, many photographs at:


myroyal-myroyalsblogpot.com/2011/04/christening-of-danish-royal-twins.html


Patricia in Wales

2003

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[lace] Admin: Andrea Lamble and a little security advice

2011-04-15 Thread Avital
Please ignore the emails from Andrea's account. I've seen the help,
I'm in trouble, I need money wired to this address fraud a lot
lately. It means that someone has hacked her account and is using it.

In the meantime, please try to choose strong passwords for your email
accounts (more than 8 letters, including both upper/lower case
letters, numbers, characters like @ $ % , etc) and DO NOT USE THE
SAME PASSWORD for all your accounts! If you use the same password and
one of your accounts is compromised, the hacker is going to try
Facebook, Gmail, Twitter, Paypal, Yahoo, Amazon, and everything else
that he or she can think of!

One recommendation that I heard is to have a strong base password,
like eR%*foA77Qt and add the first 2 consonants and the first 2 vowels
of each account. For example, if you had eR%*foA77Qt as your base
password, your Gmail account password might be eR%*foA77Qtgmai.
Facebook would be eR%*foA77Qtfcae. It's not foolproof but it makes it
a little harder for someone to guess the pattern.

Alternatively, if you tend to use only one computer or carry around a
mini USB drive (thumb drive, disk on key, flash drive), you can
download free password protection programs (like AnyPassword) and
store your passwords there.

Last, if you're on vacation, be very, very careful if you're using a
public computer in an Internet cafe. A lot of public computers are
infected with programs that track your keystrokes. If you must log on
to your mail account on an unsecured computer, at least change your
password immediately. There are programs you can download that let you
type your password by clicking a keyboard on the screen. This makes
it much harder for a program to catch your keystrokes. (But it doesn't
help if they've set up cameras to watch the keyboard while you
type)

Avital
Arachne moderator

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[lace] Re: book from Martina Wolter-Kampmann

2011-04-15 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Hello, 
the book Unsichtbar - Invisible from M. Wolter is in German and English. There 
is a DVD in in both languages too.
As the title says you find possibilities to let the ends of your lace-work 
become invisible.
It is clearly written with lots of drawings and color photos how to do things. 
She starts with the different kind of knots and magic-thread, shows different 
beginnings and endings without knots and these with different lace techniques. 
You find the prickings for the designs on which she demonstrates the tricks at 
the end of the book.
The book is a hardcover one so it will not become a card-play using it often.
As I still metioned it is worth to buy it. You can order it directly by her or 
over B. Fay.

Ilske

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[lace] Admin: Andrea's message

2011-04-15 Thread Avital
OK, now I've finally found Andrea's message -- in my spam folder! I've
seen this at least 4 times over the past month, including from a
workmate who was sitting right beside me at the time. It's a scam. If
you were in trouble, would you turn to your lace-making buddies for
help? I mean, really

I've unsubscribed Andrea's account from lace-digest and
lace-chat-digest. Do NOT communicate with Andrea using this account.
If you reply to her email, you will get a message telling you how
relieved she is and with an account number where you can wire her a
couple hundred dollars to pay her bills, get her home, etc. There is a
real person using Andrea's account and it sure isn't Andrea.

Best wishes,

Avital
Arachne moderator

-- Forwarded message --
From: Andrea Lamble andrealam...@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Subject: [lace] Help...Andrea Lamble
To:


Hi,I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,sorry I did not inform you about my
trip.I actually made a quick trip to Madrid (Spain) and unfortunately attacked
and mugged at a gun point on the way to my hotel,all cash,credit card and cell
were stolen off me but luckily I still have my passport with me.
I`ve been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not helping issues at
all and my return flight leaves anytime from now but I`m having problems
settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until I
settle the bills.
Am freaked out at the moment and need help.

-- 

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Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spindexr

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Re: [lace] Re: German suppliers

2011-04-15 Thread Ilske Thomsen
the question about shops selling lace related materials I answered privately. 
But here are the addresses i found again for all of you.

Klöppelkiste
Wasserschloßweg 6
09123 Chemnitz  part  Klaffenbach
this is far away from Chemnitz itself but a lovely place
Tel: 03712600743

Klöppelshop Köck
Hauptstraße 13
92539 Schönsee
Tel 09674 258

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Admin: Andrea Lamble and a little security advice

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Shipp
To add to this excellent advice, be very, very careful when using a
smartphone to access your e-mail!

I was in Paris in February on business, and took some time for tourism.  I
was standing outside the Louvre after visiting the museum, and decided to
try to access my gmail account on my smartphone.  It asked me to log in
again to improve the services that Google can offer.  I thought about that
for a minute, but mentally shrugged my shoulders and gave it my password.
 It didn't take me to my e-mail, but to a cannot display page message.

A week later, I logged into my gmail account on a computer, to find that
someone had just accessed my account from Thailand and send spam to everyone
in my contacts list (literally, 15 minutes earlier).  Since my password had
never been hacked before, I am blaming the Louvre incident for the problem
-- someone was sitting there in the area, redirecting websurfers and
harvesting their passwords.

Adding to the problem:  what account do you use as your password recovery
account?  Nearly all of the sites where I have a password send password
confirmations to my gmail address -- all a hacker has to do is search for
password and harvest what they find.  Consider using a different account
than that which you use while traveling, so your other passwords aren't
endangered.

Moral of the story:  be very, very careful with your passwords, your
smartphones, and everything else.  If something doesn't look right, it
probably isn't.

Best regards
Elizabeth, now sadder and wiser

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Avital spind...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please ignore the emails from Andrea's account. I've seen the help,
 I'm in trouble, I need money wired to this address fraud a lot
 lately. It means that someone has hacked her account and is using it.

 In the meantime, please try to choose strong passwords for your email
 accounts (more than 8 letters, including both upper/lower case
 letters, numbers, characters like @ $ % , etc) and DO NOT USE THE
 SAME PASSWORD for all your accounts! If you use the same password and
 one of your accounts is compromised, the hacker is going to try
 Facebook, Gmail, Twitter, Paypal, Yahoo, Amazon, and everything else
 that he or she can think of!

 One recommendation that I heard is to have a strong base password,
 like eR%*foA77Qt and add the first 2 consonants and the first 2 vowels
 of each account. For example, if you had eR%*foA77Qt as your base
 password, your Gmail account password might be eR%*foA77Qtgmai.
 Facebook would be eR%*foA77Qtfcae. It's not foolproof but it makes it
 a little harder for someone to guess the pattern.

 Alternatively, if you tend to use only one computer or carry around a
 mini USB drive (thumb drive, disk on key, flash drive), you can
 download free password protection programs (like AnyPassword) and
 store your passwords there.

 Last, if you're on vacation, be very, very careful if you're using a
 public computer in an Internet cafe. A lot of public computers are
 infected with programs that track your keystrokes. If you must log on
 to your mail account on an unsecured computer, at least change your
 password immediately. There are programs you can download that let you
 type your password by clicking a keyboard on the screen. This makes
 it much harder for a program to catch your keystrokes. (But it doesn't
 help if they've set up cameras to watch the keyboard while you
 type)

 Avital
 Arachne moderator

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[lace] Re: Unsichtbar - Invisible

2011-04-15 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Forgot to add, that i worked in the group with Martina who practised lots of 
the ideas in the book and everything worked comme-il-faut.

Ilske

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[lace] Re: [lace-chat] Admin: Andrea's message

2011-04-15 Thread Clay Blackwell
I am horrified by what has been going on regarding Andrea's account!  
I've gotten emails from my sister which suggest to me that her account 
has also been hacked.  She is traveling right now, so I hope all is well 
with her.


Thank all of you for your good advice regarding passwords.  Groan...  
I've got a lot of work to do to establish safer ones!


But regarding Avital's question - if I were in trouble would I turn to 
lace-making buddies for help?  I think if I were in a foreign country 
and had a glimmer of a hope that an Arachne friend lived nearby, I might 
ask for help...  but never money!


Clay

On 4/15/2011 7:55 AM, Avital wrote:

OK, now I've finally found Andrea's message -- in my spam folder! I've
seen this at least 4 times over the past month, including from a
workmate who was sitting right beside me at the time. It's a scam. If
you were in trouble, would you turn to your lace-making buddies for
help? I mean, really

I've unsubscribed Andrea's account from lace-digest and
lace-chat-digest. Do NOT communicate with Andrea using this account.
If you reply to her email, you will get a message telling you how
relieved she is and with an account number where you can wire her a
couple hundred dollars to pay her bills, get her home, etc. There is a
real person using Andrea's account and it sure isn't Andrea.

Best wishes,

Avital
Arachne moderator



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[lace] Point ground

2011-04-15 Thread Karen Thompson
Thank you for your input, Lorelei. I agree completely, including with your
assessment of Palliser.
Of the 21 preserved black silk Ipswich laces from 1789-90 from Ipswich,
Massachusetts in Library of Congress, almost half uses kat stitch ground and
the rest some variation of Brussels/Torchon ground. The only place point
ground is used is as a filling in one of the samples. This seems to be a
fairly new development in 1790.
-Karen
-- 
Karen in Washington, DC

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[lace] Frans Muller hanging

2011-04-15 Thread Diana Smith
Those of you interested in old East Midlands lace bobbins might find this 
article of (gruesome) interest.


It's a write up for a book written by Kate Colquhoun about Franz Muller - 
subject of one of the known commemorative hanging bobbins. See Springetts 
book page 15.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-1376923/Murder-foul-Fenchurch-Street-line-MR-BRIGGS-HAT-A-SENSATIONAL-ACCOUNT-OF-BRITAINS-FIRST-RAILWAY-MURDER-BY-KATE-COLQUHOUN.htmlDiana
 in Northants

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Re: [lace] RE: first lace pillow

2011-04-15 Thread Nancy Neff
The ceiling tile idea was smart!  

My first lace pillow was an insect
pinning board (way 
too hard to push any but the finest pins in, whereas I
was using sewing pins), with crochet thread wound 
around the top of 4 1/2
wood screws. (Instead of 
clicking pleasantly as I worked, they clanked!)  I
didn't 
know where to get supplies yet and couldn't wait to 
get started on
the bobbin lace sampler in the 
Reader's Digest Compendium of Needle Crafts,
or some 
such title. If I had know how much usable pillows and 
bobbins (even
Continental bobbins) were going to cost 
me eventually I might never have
started. Thank 
heavens I didn't know!  Now it's too much fun to stop.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA





From: Rebecca Mikkelsen
mikkelsen_rebe...@hotmail.com
To: l...@dont.panix.com
Sent: Fri, April 15,
2011 9:10:50 AM
Subject: [lace] RE: first lace pillow

Avital wrote:
 I can't
even recall when I joined
 Arachne but I think it was when my son was a baby
because I used
 disposable diapers as the skirt for my first home-made lace
pillow.
 (Someone had given us a pack of newborn size and my son outgrew
them
 within a month.)

I remember this!  I even use your example when people
ask me what pillows are
made of.  My first pillow was some styrofoam ceiling
tiles with fabric wrapped
around them.

Rebecca

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RE: [lace] silk threads

2011-04-15 Thread Sue
Please share David, I enjoyed following your previous piece to its
finishing.  I love seeing projects in progress don't you?

 

Sue M Harvey

Norfolk UK

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[lace] antique bobbins

2011-04-15 Thread Sue
I have just bought some antique wooden bobbins, can anyone tell me how I can
put some life into the wood without  using grease or anything that might
damage threads because they are very dusty and look as if they have not been
used in many, many years.

 

Sue M Harvey

Norfolk Uk

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Re: [lace] RE: first lace pillow

2011-04-15 Thread laura forrester
My first pillow was a 65 inch square HD foam pillow, covered with blanket,
then 
drill.  I made a piece from a Woman's Weekly annual...about 55 inches
long, then 
tape lace decoration back up each side...thought it was pretty
special at the 
time and although it hangs in my lace room, I can look at it
and Thank God I 
have improved somewhat.  


The pillow is currently empty,
but the smaller 45 inch one I made at the same 
time has a growing
itinery...currently a possum bookmark, that must be evicted 
for a wire lace
necklace beckons, then I think there must be some matching 
earrings and I
hear the flutter of a couple of wire lace butterflies getting 
louder...

my
other pillows are mostly ordinary packing foam and do not hold the pins as
well with wire...and they are all busy too...ho hum

Now I am off to check
out the lace goodies rescued from an estate...the owner 
has no idea what or
how they are used, and is not interested in learning but 
felt that her MIL
loved them enough that they should find a home with someone 
willing to
continue their use rather than add to the landfill problem.

Warm regards,
 
Laura Forrester @++
 
laura_ros...@yahoo.com
http://lauraslace.blogspot.com/
http://funkyglassbeads.blogspot.com

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Re: [lace] antique bobbins

2011-04-15 Thread bev walker
Hello Sue and everyone

If you have access to conservator's supplies (mail order?) there is a
microcrystalline wax product used for cleaning and restoring antique
furniture and wooden objects. A small tin is all you would need. The
wax is absorbed by the wood and shouldn't harm the threads.

For an off-the-shelf treatment, Murphy's oil soap maybe?

On 4/15/11, Sue 2harv...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 I have just bought some antique wooden bobbins, can anyone tell me how I can
 put some life into the wood without  using grease or anything that might
 damage threads because they are very dusty and look as if they have not been
 used in many, many years.

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

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[lace] Re: Spam again?

2011-04-15 Thread Susan Reishus
This is spam. I had it on a different list too.

This one (out of country and lost my money) has been going around for about 
three years.  It has happened on many needlework lists, and then comes back 
again to the same ones, if people don't change their passwords, or even run 
their virus protection scans, etc.  It has always been a risk, but worse with 
the economy, sophistication over time, and emotional manipulation like this one.

Best,
Susan Reishus

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Re: [lace] antique bobbins

2011-04-15 Thread lucieduf
Brush them off with a soft brush to get the dust off,
wipe with a moist cloth (not wet),
use a good quality wood wax (beeswax based like Renaissance
Micro-Crystalline Wax Polish which is used by museums)
and then use them as much as possible

the heat and moisture of your hands will help the wax go deeply into the
wood and make it live again.

Enjoy


Renaissance Wax - www.picreator.co.uk

Lucie DuFresne
Ottawa Canada



 I have just bought some antique wooden bobbins, can anyone tell me how I
 can
 put some life into the wood without  using grease or anything that might
 damage threads because they are very dusty and look as if they have not
 been
 used in many, many years.



 Sue M Harvey

 Norfolk Uk

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RE: [lace] Thank you

2011-04-15 Thread cearbhael
When I think of how many years I have been in this group LOL...and I know I
was not one of the first but it was in the 90s that I joined. How time flies
along with your bobbins LOL. Actually it is all the wonderful lace makers
and their generosity of spirit. It is the sharing of techniques, knowledge,
tips, etc that makes this such a wonderful list. I think we have stood the
test of time. I can't imagine this list ever disappearing LOL. Hoping it is
here until I take my last breath. (Let me die with my bobbins in my hand and
my lace pillow in my lap)

Cearbhael

-Original Message-
From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
Alex Stillwell
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:24 AM
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] Thank you

cjohnson0...@comcast.net

Hi Arachnids

Thank you Susie for letting us know the date, I am a relative new-comer to
Arachne.  I wish to add my thanks to Susie's

'No one has mentioned that today is our Sweet 16th birthday.

Thanks again to Liz Reynolds.  She has made it possible for  us to
communicate
via this medium since 1995, without charge.  Her gift has given many
lacemakers opportunities to increase their knowledge about  lace.

And thanks to Avital for being our Webmaster for many years.'

Also from me a personal thank you to Jeri Ames and Tess for all the
professional expertise they are prepared to share with us.

Keep lacemaking everyone

Alex

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[lace-chat] Admin: Andrea's message

2011-04-15 Thread Avital
OK, now I've finally found Andrea's message -- in my spam folder! I've
seen this at least 4 times over the past month, including from a
workmate who was sitting right beside me at the time. It's a scam. If
you were in trouble, would you turn to your lace-making buddies for
help? I mean, really

I've unsubscribed Andrea's account from lace-digest and
lace-chat-digest. Do NOT communicate with Andrea using this account.
If you reply to her email, you will get a message telling you how
relieved she is and with an account number where you can wire her a
couple hundred dollars to pay her bills, get her home, etc. There is a
real person using Andrea's account and it sure isn't Andrea.

Best wishes,

Avital
Arachne moderator

-- Forwarded message --
From: Andrea Lamble andrealam...@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Subject: [lace] Help...Andrea Lamble
To:


Hi,I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,sorry I did not inform you about my
trip.I actually made a quick trip to Madrid (Spain) and unfortunately attacked
and mugged at a gun point on the way to my hotel,all cash,credit card and cell
were stolen off me but luckily I still have my passport with me.
I`ve been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not helping issues at
all and my return flight leaves anytime from now but I`m having problems
settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until I
settle the bills.
Am freaked out at the moment and need help.

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Re: [lace-chat] Admin: Andrea's message

2011-04-15 Thread Clay Blackwell
I am horrified by what has been going on regarding Andrea's account!  
I've gotten emails from my sister which suggest to me that her account 
has also been hacked.  She is traveling right now, so I hope all is well 
with her.


Thank all of you for your good advice regarding passwords.  Groan...  
I've got a lot of work to do to establish safer ones!


But regarding Avital's question - if I were in trouble would I turn to 
lace-making buddies for help?  I think if I were in a foreign country 
and had a glimmer of a hope that an Arachne friend lived nearby, I might 
ask for help...  but never money!


Clay

On 4/15/2011 7:55 AM, Avital wrote:

OK, now I've finally found Andrea's message -- in my spam folder! I've
seen this at least 4 times over the past month, including from a
workmate who was sitting right beside me at the time. It's a scam. If
you were in trouble, would you turn to your lace-making buddies for
help? I mean, really

I've unsubscribed Andrea's account from lace-digest and
lace-chat-digest. Do NOT communicate with Andrea using this account.
If you reply to her email, you will get a message telling you how
relieved she is and with an account number where you can wire her a
couple hundred dollars to pay her bills, get her home, etc. There is a
real person using Andrea's account and it sure isn't Andrea.

Best wishes,

Avital
Arachne moderator



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Re: [lace-chat] Admin: Andrea's message

2011-04-15 Thread Avital
And you would probably contact a lace-making buddy privately, not send
an SOS to the whole list!

Avital

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Clay Blackwell
clayblackw...@comcast.net wrote:
 I am horrified by what has been going on regarding Andrea's account!  I've
 gotten emails from my sister which suggest to me that her account has also
 been hacked.  She is traveling right now, so I hope all is well with her.

 Thank all of you for your good advice regarding passwords.  Groan...  I've
 got a lot of work to do to establish safer ones!

 But regarding Avital's question - if I were in trouble would I turn to
 lace-making buddies for help?  I think if I were in a foreign country and
 had a glimmer of a hope that an Arachne friend lived nearby, I might ask for
 help...  but never money!

 Clay

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[lace-chat] Re: Admin: Andrea's message

2011-04-15 Thread Tamara P Duvall
On Apr 15, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Avital wrote:

 And you would probably contact a lace-making buddy privately, not send
 an SOS to the whole list!

I got it both ways -- in private and on the list -- and read it first on my 
personal mail. Since I don't know Andrea personally, I was startled to see the 
apology for not letting me know of her trip. Once that first alarm bell 
sounded, I read the rest of the message (in poor English, not really excused by 
the trauma described) with some amusement, looking for other oddities and 
inconsistencies. Then trashed it, moved on to reading Arachne and, by golly, 
there it was again :)

-- 
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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