RE: [lace] Bone lace

[DevonThein]

While researching lace tells for St. Catherine’s Day, I came across, again,
the similar usage in the Shakespearean quote:
O, fellow, come, the song we had last night.—
Mark it, Cesario, it is old and plain;
The spinsters and the knitters in the sun
And the free maids that weave their thread with bones
Do use to chant it. It is silly sooth,
And dallies with the innocence of love,
Like the old age.

Devon
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[lace] Bone lace

[Jane Partridge]

It's interesting that this question has come up now, as I was looking through
some of the indexes on the Worcester (UK) Records Office website the other day
(can't remember the exact url now, and I'm away from home at the preserved
railway where I volunteer at the moment), going through the lists of
apprentice indentures in case any of my Bromsgrove ancestors were listed (they
were nailers) when I got quite a surprise, it would appear that there may well
have been a thriving lacemaking community there in the mid to late 1600s (I
don't think this was ever mentioned even when the Guild had Convention in
Worcester!). The earliest was in 1638, when Elianor Cheshire was apprenticed
to a John Baldin for seven years, the latest in 1712, a Sarah Tiler
apprenticed to Steven Guilham until she reached the age of 18 - in all I found
19 apprentices, with 18 different 'masters'. (Only one, an Alex Bradley, had
two apprentices in 1693). All of them were listed as "bone lace weaver". (I
noted the records down on a card which I put in my handbag to have another
look at if I got time one evening this week, hence I have the file references
listed if anyone is researching that area). The majority were apprenticed for
five to seven years, which I can quite appreciate, having taken a similar
amount of time over my City & Guilds!


Did anyone else know about this area in terms of lacemaking?


The term used for their trade, bone lace weaver, is interesting too, as it
suggests bone lace as being a recognised weaving technique rather than a
separate entity.


Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Question about early English lace

[Brenda Paternoster]

What Thomas Wright actually wrote is
‘ "…bone-lace it is named, because first made with bone (since wooden)
bobbins.”

In the wardrobe accounts of Queen Elizabeth’s day the terms “bone lace”
(which was made with a fine thread) and “bobbin lace” (which was made with
a coarser thread) often occur - “bone,” however more frequently than
“bobbin.”

In the first quoted sentence he appears to be saying that bone lace was just
an earlier name for bobbin lace.
In the second sentence he’s saying that the term bone lace occurs more
frequently than the term bobbin lace and although he says that bobbin lace is
coarser he doesn’t provide a source to corroborate that statement.

Maybe looking at the wardrobe accounts of Queen Elizabeth I would shed light
on it.

A couple of interesting websites about Queen Elizabeth I’s
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/blog/warrants-101/

and
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/cyte/ElizabethI


BTW the references in the second website which begin PRO LC 5/  are old
references, they should now be TNA LC 5/
PRO = Public record office   which is now known as The National Archives (TNA)
at Kew, London
LC = Lord Chamberlain’s Department and 5= Great Wardrobe

Just looking at one of the items on TNA Discovery database
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C213973

shows that it’s a public record available for public viewing, but not
digitised or online so it would be necessary to visit TNA in person to see the
original.

>
> In Thomas Wright’s “Romance of the Lace Pillow,” on page 8 he makes a
distinction between bone lace as being finer, and bobbin lace as being
coarser. My other trusted sources (Levey, Palliser, Earnshaw, etc) make no
distinction, and my understanding has always been that bone lace is just an
early name for bobbin lace. What say you all?

Brenda in Allhallows

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[lace] Question about early English lace

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Hello all!

I am researching the development of the lace industry at the moment, and I have 
a fairly extensive bibliography, but there is one reference that I have only 
seen in one place.

In Thomas Wright’s “Romance of the Lace Pillow,” on page 8 he makes a 
distinction between bone lace as being finer, and bobbin lace as being coarser. 
My other trusted sources (Levey, Palliser, Earnshaw, etc) make no distinction, 
and my understanding has always been that bone lace is just an early name for 
bobbin lace. What say you all? Are there any other sources to support this or 
should I take it with a grain of salt?

Thank you!
Best,
Elena

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Re: [lace] Question about early English lace

[Kim Davis]

Elena,

 I would take this with a grain of salt.  Some of the inventories that
actually mention bone lace are likely to have been metal laces, which were
certainly not "fine" in terms of diameter of the thread.

Kim


In Thomas Wright’s “Romance of the Lace Pillow,” on page 8 he makes a
> distinction between bone lace as being finer, and bobbin lace as being
> coarser. My other trusted sources (Levey, Palliser, Earnshaw, etc) make no
> distinction, and my understanding has always been that bone lace is just an
> early name for bobbin lace. What say you all? Are there any other sources
> to support this or should I take it with a grain of salt?
>

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