Re: [lace] Lappet or something else

[Kathryn Draves]

As someone else mentioned earlier, perhaps they are part of traditional
costume, which would conceivably give them a later date. It's not something
that jumps to mind in the US, as we don't have a national traditional
costume that we pull out for special occasions.

Kathy Draves

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 9:47 AM Devon Thein  wrote:

> I am posting some close-up photos of the lappet (?) on
> http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history. From looking at the
> previous photo Maria thought it might be application on machine tulle, but
> I think that is not the case. However, the point de Paris ground has an
> interesting appearance, not very tight looking. Maybe due to washing?
> The translation of staal to sample makes sense. The pieces in the catalogue
> of the Gruuthusemuseum appear to be samples because they are just a small
> part of a lappet and the piece ends with pairs braided the way we finish up
> samples, as opposed to a cut edge or a prettily finished edge. But, where
> do these samples come from and why does the Gruuthusemuseum think they
> might be 20th century? The book was published in 1990 and the collection is
> in Bruges where people know a lot about lace.
> The piece I am studying appears to me to be two lappets sewn together that
> could date from the late 18th or the early 19th century. Thus my alarm when
> I see a photo of a sample that looks quite similar that claims 19th or 20th
> century as its date and that this photo comes from Bruges.
> Thoughts?
> Devon
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Re: [lace] Lappet or something else

[Devon Thein]

I am posting some close-up photos of the lappet (?) on
http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history. From looking at the
previous photo Maria thought it might be application on machine tulle, but
I think that is not the case. However, the point de Paris ground has an
interesting appearance, not very tight looking. Maybe due to washing?
The translation of staal to sample makes sense. The pieces in the catalogue
of the Gruuthusemuseum appear to be samples because they are just a small
part of a lappet and the piece ends with pairs braided the way we finish up
samples, as opposed to a cut edge or a prettily finished edge. But, where
do these samples come from and why does the Gruuthusemuseum think they
might be 20th century? The book was published in 1990 and the collection is
in Bruges where people know a lot about lace.
The piece I am studying appears to me to be two lappets sewn together that
could date from the late 18th or the early 19th century. Thus my alarm when
I see a photo of a sample that looks quite similar that claims 19th or 20th
century as its date and that this photo comes from Bruges.
Thoughts?
Devon



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[lace] ? Ancestry help? and a ?Bobbin maker? help

[brido11]

Hi, friends (yes I want something!!) Smile.

 

This lockdown gave me the "search Frenzies" today, and it was quite
productive.

 

I have found a bobbin inscription which is asking for an Ancestry (Or
whatever) search and secondly the name of a possible East Devon bobbin
maker.

 

Here is the auctioneers information of the lot they were selling and the two
issues are within this.

_

A large group of Honiton and Devon bobbins, 17th century to modern 

Including eight with inscriptions, including 'SAG. BJH. When this you see
remember me, tho many a mile we distant be.' and ' Take this, my dare, and
prove true, till I return from seeing to you, Ann Bond, February 18, The
gift is small but love is all when this you see, remember mee,
A.E.Saunders'; three Devonshire Trollies; fifteen dated examples, 1696-1851;
a set of four small decorated bobbins; five 19th century initialled
examples; several examples decorated with aqua fortis; and a large group of
modern examples, including ten inlaid/spliced examples by Harry Gates of
Pinhoe, a number of floral decorated examples, and others. (qty)

_

First the genealogical request from me.

 

You will see that an A.E. Saunders gave  Ann Bond a gift.  To have these
names on a bobbin is very rare and if anyone has the search skills to see if
they can be identified to some extent I would be very grateful.  No year
date Just Feb 18th. (near to St Valentine's date!)

 

The second one is that they offer the name of Harry Gates of Pinhoe (near
Exeter) as a bobbin maker.

 

Can we discover anything about this person, please?  This is the first name
I have had other than Gertrude Whiting's names  as bobbin makers from her
trip to Devon.

 

Sorry that genealogy is not my thing.

 

Your help would be appreciated.

 

Many thanks

 

Brian

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RE: [lace] Lappet or something else

[J-D Hammett]

Hi again,

Sorry I did not trim, but I answered from my phone and I am not so good with
the phone.

I hang my head.

Joepie.

From: J-D Hammett
Sent: 19 April 2020 12:41
To: Devon Thein; Maria
Greil
Cc: lacelijst -
Subject: Re: [lace] Lappet or something else

Hi fellow Arachnids,
Although I cannot help with the lace I may be able to bring some light to the
translation. The word STAAL  has 2 meanings: 1st meaning is steel -the metal-:
2nd meaning is sample.
Joepie in sunny Sussex but in Covid 19 isolation.
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Re: [lace] Lappet or something else

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

Although I cannot help with the lace I may be able to bring some light to the
translation. The word STAAL  has 2 meanings: 1st meaning is steel -the metal-:
2nd meaning is sample.

Joepie in sunny Sussex but in Covid 19 isolation.

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From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of Maria Greil

Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 11:06:39 AM
To: Devon Thein 
Cc: lacelijst - 
Subject: Re: [lace] Lappet or something else

Dear Devon.

Are you sure it is really Paris ground? For me it looks like application on
mechanical tul ground.
If the qualification is beggining of 20th century and right, then they
would not be lappets anymore but bows or cravattes for the throad.
I myself have some lappets in my collection and the older ones (17th and
18th century- except the ones belonging to the times of Louis XV, a
diffeerent stile-) are not application works.

Maria Greil

El dom., 19 abr. 2020 a las 0:15, Devon Thein ()
escribi??:

>  In the catalogue of the Gruutshusemuseum, Catalogus Van de
> Kantverzameling, I have encountered some photos of samples in Paris lace
> which call themselves Staal voor een Mutsenslip in Parijse Kloskant. They
> look a lot like a piece that I have been studying. What surprises me is
> that the piece I am studying seems like it is a pair of lappets sewn
> together, but these samples in the book say they are 19de-20ste eeuw, which
> I think means 19th -20th century. The pieces look like they might be early
> 19th century, when people still wore lappets. But 20th century? What
> does Staal voor een Mutsenslip mean? I have posted the photos on
> laceioli.ning in the Identification-history group. Can anyone explain this
> to me?
>  http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history
>
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Re: [lace] Lappet or something else

[Maria Greil]

Dear Devon.

Are you sure it is really Paris ground? For me it looks like application on
mechanical tul ground.
If the qualification is beggining of 20th century and right, then they
would not be lappets anymore but bows or cravattes for the throad.
I myself have some lappets in my collection and the older ones (17th and
18th century- except the ones belonging to the times of Louis XV, a
diffeerent stile-) are not application works.

Maria Greil

El dom., 19 abr. 2020 a las 0:15, Devon Thein ()
escribió:

>  In the catalogue of the Gruutshusemuseum, Catalogus Van de
> Kantverzameling, I have encountered some photos of samples in Paris lace
> which call themselves Staal voor een Mutsenslip in Parijse Kloskant. They
> look a lot like a piece that I have been studying. What surprises me is
> that the piece I am studying seems like it is a pair of lappets sewn
> together, but these samples in the book say they are 19de-20ste eeuw, which
> I think means 19th -20th century. The pieces look like they might be early
> 19th century, when people still wore lappets. But 20th century? What
> does Staal voor een Mutsenslip mean? I have posted the photos on
> laceioli.ning in the Identification-history group. Can anyone explain this
> to me?
>  http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history
>
> Devon
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Re: [lace] Soie Ovale

[Vicki Bradford]

Hi Susan,
I used Soie Ovale in a Cluny de Brioude class at the IOLI convention in 
Montréal in 2006 (?).  I agree with Sue Babbs as to the need to have super 
smooth hands when touching it. It will definitely catch/snag on any rough 
spots. It is unspun filament silk and will therefore flatten to given a satin 
effect. Our project involved carrying multiple threads to different locations 
by wrapping Soie Ovale around the bundle. It is fiddly but beautiful.
Vicki in Maryland 

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> On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Elena Kanagy-Loux  wrote:
> 
> Dear Susan,
> 
> I used soie ovale at the school in Le Puy en Velay when making Craponne.
> They use it as an added worker pair in cloth stitch motifs to change
> colors, for example in petals and leaves. When paired with "stitckier"
> linen thread it stays put and has a lovely effect. If I recall we started
> winding it onto bobbins with a small piece of tape so it didn't slip off,
> and I don't remember it being any trouble to work with. I've considered
> using it as a gimp thread as well, but I haven't tried that yet.
> 
> Take care and best of luck!
> Elena
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