Re: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace
- Original Message - From: jeria...@aol.com Subject: Re: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace Catherine, The fact that lace was rarely signed and dated has been a problem for scholars and museum personnel ever since large museums were established in the 19th and 20th centuries. Lace traveled, either legally or smuggled. Lace was often made as part laces - elements by different lacemakers (deliberately, so that they knew very little about the entire design and techniques). The concept of documentation would not have entered the minds of uneducated poor lacemakers or the agents who brought their laces to market. By the 19th C., lace made to be sold in department stores did bear labels. The owners usually removed them, never thinking that there would be provenance interest by subsequent owners. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center Dear Jeri Thank you for yet another very informative email. We are so fortunate to have such a knowlegeable lady who is also willing to share her findngs, which must take many hours of research to unearth! I was aware of the above information and the making of Kate Middleton's wedding dress is a 21st C example of the need sometimes, to keep items made for a special occasion, a secret until the special ceremony of 'unveiling' to the nation. Each individual who worked on the dress (including ex students from the Royal School of Needlework at Hampton Court Palace) were sworn to secrecy. I read that even the manufacturers of the lace had no idea that the order was for Kate's dress but recognised their lace on the TV coverage of her wedding to William! However, all this is well documented for future generations. I have worked my initials and date into several more recent pieces of my work but think it might be a good idea to perhaps include some details as to inspiration, reason for making i.e. competition theme (the Californian Poppies exhibition is a prime example), threads used etc. and put this in an envelope to perhaps tape to the back of a framed piece. There's no guarantee that this information would not become detached from the frame over a period of years but it would at least be a start. Catherine Barley UK Catherine Barley catherinebar...@btinternet.com wrote: I was fortunate enough to see the photograph in Caen this summer and hopefully someone may be able to throw some light on the questions 'who, when' where and why'? If only these antiques laces could speak and tell us who they belonged to, designer and maker and if made for a special occasion. This just shows how important it is to include these details with our lace, for the benefit of future generations. Subject: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace
The jury is out on who made the Bayeux Tapestry. The French claim it, and so do the English. I have 5 books written by various scholars on this subject (on the embroidery side of my library). There are many more, but this is enough for me to collect. There is also a just-published 2012 fictional account that takes place in England. Too spicy to lend or review. Why do today's authors think it is necessary to add these scenes to a story that is so fascinating it does not need this additional embroidered fiction? Referencing the Jan Messent book: She designed and stitched her imagined version of the missing 8 foot panel, which is published in The Bayeux Tapestry Embroiderers' Story. I believe it is on display at Bayeux. Jan, too, has imagined where it was made and by whom - in the text of her book. (The male scholars do not seem to have much knowledge of embroidery.) I, too, saw the Smithsonian photograph of the needlelace version while in Caen. It is incredible. Patsy, I think this may have been made in a atelier by many lacemakers trained in the same school, in where? Italy? France? America? I have some large (but not this large) needlelaces that seem to have been from ateliers. They were not signed, making it very difficult to trace. However, I do research on the story being illustrated, and other locations/mediums illustrating the same mythology (or whatever). Catherine, The fact that lace was rarely signed and dated has been a problem for scholars and museum personnel ever since large museums were established in the 19th and 20th centuries. Lace traveled, either legally or smuggled. Lace was often made as part laces - elements by different lacemakers (deliberately, so that they knew very little about the entire design and techniques). The concept of documentation would not have entered the minds of uneducated poor lacemakers or the agents who brought their laces to market. By the 19th C., lace made to be sold in department stores did bear labels. The owners usually removed them, never thinking that there would be provenance interest by subsequent owners. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center -- In a message dated 9/23/2012 5:33:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kar...@cox.net writes: Years ago I visited the Bayeux Tapestry in France. I believe the Tapestry was made by many different people. I wonder if the same can be said for the needlelace piece? Patsy A. Goodman, Chula Vista, CA, USA -- Catherine Barley catherinebar...@btinternet.com wrote: I was fortunate enough to see the photograph in Caen this summer and hopefully someone may be able to throw some light on the questions 'who, when' where and why'? If only these antiques laces could speak and tell us who they belonged to, designer and maker and if made for a special occasion. This just shows how important it is to include these details with our lace, for the benefit of future generations. Subject: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace - I am still looking for answers to the who, when, where and why about the Bayeux Tapestry in needle lace. Now my blog is posted on the Smithsonian website: http://blog.americanhistory.si.edu/ -Karen - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace
The Spicy book is the Needle in the Blood by Sarah Bower. I have just started reading it. Page 30. She is a local writer from the town 5 miles from me. Donna near Chicago From: jeria...@aol.com jeria...@aol.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace The jury is out on who made the Bayeux Tapestry. The French claim it, and so do the English. I have 5 books written by various scholars on this subject (on the embroidery side of my library). There are many more, but this is enough for me to collect. There is also a just-published 2012 fictional account that takes place in England. Too spicy to lend or review. Why do today's authors think it is necessary to add these scenes to a story that is so fascinating it does not need this additional embroidered fiction? Referencing the Jan Messent book: She designed and stitched her imagined version of the missing 8 foot panel, which is published in The Bayeux Tapestry Embroiderers' Story. I believe it is on display at Bayeux. Jan, too, has imagined where it was made and by whom - in the text of her book. (The male scholars do not seem to have much knowledge of embroidery.) I, too, saw the Smithsonian photograph of the needlelace version while in Caen. It is incredible. Patsy, I think this may have been made in a atelier by many lacemakers trained in the same school, in where? Italy? France? America? I have some large (but not this large) needlelaces that seem to have been from ateliers. They were not signed, making it very difficult to trace. However, I do research on the story being illustrated, and other locations/mediums illustrating the same mythology (or whatever). Catherine, The fact that lace was rarely signed and dated has been a problem for scholars and museum personnel ever since large museums were established in the 19th and 20th centuries. Lace traveled, either legally or smuggled. Lace was often made as part laces - elements by different lacemakers (deliberately, so that they knew very little about the entire design and techniques). The concept of documentation would not have entered the minds of uneducated poor lacemakers or the agents who brought their laces to market. By the 19th C., lace made to be sold in department stores did bear labels. The owners usually removed them, never thinking that there would be provenance interest by subsequent owners. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center -- In a message dated 9/23/2012 5:33:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kar...@cox.net writes: Years ago I visited the Bayeux Tapestry in France. I believe the Tapestry was made by many different people. I wonder if the same can be said for the needlelace piece? Patsy A. Goodman, Chula Vista, CA, USA -- Catherine Barley catherinebar...@btinternet.com wrote: I was fortunate enough to see the photograph in Caen this summer and hopefully someone may be able to throw some light on the questions 'who, when' where and why'? If only these antiques laces could speak and tell us who they belonged to, designer and maker and if made for a special occasion. This just shows how important it is to include these details with our lace, for the benefit of future generations. Subject: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace - I am still looking for answers to the who, when, where and why about the Bayeux Tapestry in needle lace. Now my blog is posted on the Smithsonian website: http://blog.americanhistory.si.edu/ -Karen - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace
I was fortunate enough to see the photograph in Caen this summer and hopefully someone may be able to throw some light on the questions 'who, when' where and why'? If only these antiques laces could speak and tell us who they belonged to, designer and maker and if made for a special occasion. This just shows how important it is to include these details with our lace, for the benefit of future generations. Catherine Barley UK Subject: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace I am still looking for answers to the who, when, where and why about the Bayeux Tapestry in needle lace. Now my blog is posted on the Smithsonian website: http://blog.americanhistory.si.edu/ -Karen on the sunny warm coast of the Atlantic in Delaware this week end - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace
Oh yes! Surely we should get big surprises El 23/09/2012 17:17, Ilske Thomsen escribió: Our ancestors should have given a sort of passport to their laces than everything would be easier ;- Ilske -- Carolina de la Guardia http://www.carolgallego.com https://www.facebook.com/carolinadelaguardia Witch Stitch Lace - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace
Years ago I visited the Bayeux Tapestry in France. I believe the Tapestry was made by many different people. I wonder if the same can be said for the needlelace piece? Patsy A. Goodman Chula Vista, CA, USA Catherine Barley catherinebar...@btinternet.com wrote: I was fortunate enough to see the photograph in Caen this summer and hopefully someone may be able to throw some light on the questions 'who, when' where and why'? If only these antiques laces could speak and tell us who they belonged to, designer and maker and if made for a special occasion. This just shows how important it is to include these details with our lace, for the benefit of future generations. Catherine Barley UK Subject: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace I am still looking for answers to the who, when, where and why about the Bayeux Tapestry in needle lace. Now my blog is posted on the Smithsonian website: http://blog.americanhistory.si.edu/ -Karen on the sunny warm coast of the Atlantic in Delaware this week end - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent -- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace
Are you aware of Jan Messent's *Bayeux Tapestry Embroiderers' Story?* Cynthia On Sep 23, 2012, at 4:32 PM, kar...@cox.net wrote: Years ago I visited the Bayeux Tapestry in France. I believe the Tapestry was made by many different people. I wonder if the same can be said for the needlelace piece? Patsy A. Goodman Chula Vista, CA, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace
We were lucky enough to see part of this enormous piece of lace when we had the American History tour on the Wednesday of the IOLI convention week. After doing our own thing during the morning, we gathered after lunch and were taken down into the bowels of the building, and let loose in 3 rooms filled with lace Wonderful! They had laid out laces that related to the classes being taught at Convention - so a lot of thought had been put into the display. There was everything from some gold silver Elizabethan lace to the World War lace of Belgium. The tour was actually my 2nd choice of tours, - but now I am SO glad I did that one, as I am sure it was the best of all of the tours offered!! Funnily enough, I mentioned this piece to someone the other day at Lace Day. - Strange how a thought one side of the world can filter to the other side - without the Internet, too!!! :) Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] Bayeux Tapestry in needlelace
I am still looking for answers to the who, when, where and why about the Bayeux Tapestry in needle lace. Now my blog is posted on the Smithsonian website: http://blog.americanhistory.si.edu/ -Karen on the sunny warm coast of the Atlantic in Delaware this week end - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
