Re: [lace] CT and TC
Hi Robin, On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 02:52 PM, Panza, Robin wrote: On the other hand, the lace made on bolsters is often coarser, with heavier thread, fewer pairs, and farther pin-spacing. Catalan Blonde lace (point ground) is made with fine, traditionally silk thread on the vertical bolster pillow and that is I believe worked with the open method. The bobbins are pushed to one side when not being worked and usually pinned back with large holding pins. when they are brought back into use the worker just has to check that each pin has a bobbin on each side of it and carry on working. Jean in Cleveland U.K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] CT and TC
Robin wrote: ... but my personal feeling would be that it's easier to tell who's paired with whom if they're twisted together. On a flat/cookie pillow, where I push pairs to the side, it's easier to keep my pairs paired when I bring them back again. On the other hand, it is often easier to know for sure that your bobbins are in the correct position if you use the open method. After all, if two bobbins are twisted, are they twisted because you left them that way or because you put them down in the wrong place or because one of them jumped over the other or ... When you're a beginner those bobbins can jump around a bit. But if your rule is "all the threads are untwisted and lie in order" you always know where they're supposed to be. (having said that, I must admit I use open and closed interchangeably since I don't make lace using stitches but just twists and crosses) Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] CT and TC
>>>From: Steph Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It is much easier to leave hanging bobbins uncrossed, so there is a practical reason for this choice Now why change for a flat pillow is another interesting question, I'd like to know the answer.<<< I don't claim to know "The Answer", but my personal feeling would be that it's easier to tell who's paired with whom if they're twisted together. On a flat/cookie pillow, where I push pairs to the side, it's easier to keep my pairs paired when I bring them back again. I could easily get myself off by 1 bobbin if they weren't twisted into pairs, especially on a pattern that had closely-spaced pins and a lot of pairs. On the other hand, the lace made on bolsters is often coarser, with heavier thread, fewer pairs, and farther pin-spacing. Since everybody's hanging when not pinned aside, the twist won't stay in and you might as well accept that and leave things untwisted. This doesn't explain why Skansk knippling is "open", since it's done on a roller pillow and the bobbins lay on an apron, not dangling. Perhaps it started as a bolster lace. Robin P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] CT and TC
>>>From: Lorelei Halley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] All British lacemakers (as far as I can tell) do half stitch CT. Most, but no all, western Europeans do it CT. Most, but not all, central Europeans do it TC. Nearly all eastern Europeans to it TC.<<< I took a Skansk (Sweden) workshop from Marji Suhm a couple of years ago, and it's done TC, called "open method" because pairs are left hanging without the twist that "closes them off". The first day of the workshop happened to be all whole and half stitch, and I didn't have a whole lot of trouble turning things around in my head. The second day included patterns with cloth stitch (CTC), and I couldn't do it! I had a terrible time starting a stich with a cross after getting my brain turned around for the TC stitches! Robin P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] CT and TC
Hello Lorelei and Rose-Marie and all Others, This different ways to make the half-stich comes from the different pillows. People who start with a roler-pillow was told to do itin one way I think CT and the others with the flat pillow and unhooded bobbins the other way round. Meanwhile it is no longer as strict as it was and those who still have some experience know when they first must make a twist. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] CT and TC
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:58:26 -0600, Lorelei wrote: >You are right about adding extra twists in certain places when making >spiders. The distinction between who does CT and who does TC seems to be >mostly geographic. > >All British lacemakers (as far as I can tell) do half stitch CT. Most, but >no all, western Europeans do it CT. Most, but not all, central Europeans do >it TC. Nearly all eastern Europeans to it TC. In my experience of lacemaking in English and German speaking countries in Europe, lacemakers working on flat pillows use CT; those working on roll pillows where the bobbins hang use TC. It is much easier to leave hanging bobbins uncrossed, so there is a practical reason for this choice. As roll pillows are the norm in Eastern Europe the flat/roll distinction does to some extent correspond with geography, but it also explains practices in the countries where both are used. Several of my German lacemaking friends learnt TC first on a roll pillow, and then changed to CT when they moved to a flat pillow. Now why change for a flat pillow is another interesting question, I'd like to know the answer. -- Relax. Only dread one day at a time. Steph Peters, Manchester, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] CT and TC
Rose-Marie You are right about adding extra twists in certain places when making spiders. The distinction between who does CT and who does TC seems to be mostly geographic. All British lacemakers (as far as I can tell) do half stitch CT. Most, but no all, western Europeans do it CT. Most, but not all, central Europeans do it TC. Nearly all eastern Europeans to it TC. Neither system has any advantage, as far as I can see (after more than 20 years experience as a lacemaker). In either system there are places where you have to add an extra twist on one pair. But those places are different places for each system. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
