Re: [lace] Fwd: (Ne)Tina, ah, (Ne)Tina...
Hello Tamara My mistake it was also for the group to read, don't know why I didn't. True, richt people also did a lot of embroidery, tatting, bobbin lace painting etc. but just for fun but with a lot of interest put into it. Our roalty are very creativ, Queen Alexandra was marrid to Christian the 10, Our queen Margrethes grandmother, was making bobbin Lace, and her pillow in now in Tonder, Droesens Hus, On Rosenborg, ther is a cabinet, and when it is opend there is a lath, in it, the person was turning in bone, I can't remember who, ore wether it was a he ore a she. Our queens mother made a lot of embroidery, so did Magrethe, and she is also painting, and developed patterns for embroidery, made kostumes to fairy tails of H.C. Andersen to the ballet. - Original Message - From: Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 6:08 AM Subject: [lace] Fwd: (Ne)Tina, ah, (Ne)Tina... The following - from Dorte - came to my personal inbox... But I think it's of intrest to everyone on Arachne-tech, so am forwarding. My comment (of course! g) at the end. From: Dorte Zielke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: August 21, 2004 4:03:05 EDT It hadn't even occured to me - when reading Dorte's message - to wonder what would happen, if the teacher made a mistake in that first repeat... :) If you get to see old lace, and use a strong magnifying glass, you will discover many mistakes, When the lacer hat to live by doing lace, it had to be laced quickly, to earn, not to mucht time to undo, the tallies are not perfect, I was recontructing a pattern, photo copy from Tonder museum, there was a row off holes, and I couldn't understand why the pairs wouldn't match above and beneath that row, I keept having either a hole to mutch ore not enough pairs, until it was discovert, the prick distance was smaler beneath that row, that is becourse they were not so lucky to have this graph paper as we have now, there for it was so difficult to find out that problem. There is many mistakes in the old lace but no one that didn't have anything to do with lace would notice. And we usualy say as long you do the same mistake in all of your sections it becomes the pattern, it is no more a mistake, but one section with the right stich is then a mistake. Dorte Dorte's When the lacer had to live by doing lace, it had to be laced quickly [...] reminded me of my class (workshop) on Flanders, with Michael Giusiana (Ithaca, '97?)... Throughout the class, Michael kept trying to stop us from retro-lacing and correcting mistakes; You do not have the time to go back and correct, he'd say. Your children are at home, crying hungry, he'd say. Every minute you make lace counts, as does every minute you spend undoing it, he'd say. Finally, I had enough of the image of the empty throats waiting to be stuffed... When he caught me at my 2nd or 3rd retro-effort and repeated all th reasons against such, I looked up from my pillow and - bold as brass - said: I married *rich*; I do this for pleasure... Even in the old days there were people who made lace because they enjoyed it, not because they had to. In the (many g) Danish and Swedish museums that Vibeke took me to in '01, I saw a lot of paintings with textiles (not always lace) in them. Mostly, it was the rich who *wore* the fancy stuff, true... But, the *only* couple where both the man *and* the woman looked contented instead of sour-faced...? The woman had a needle in her hand, and was crafting a piece of lace... g Since a postcard of the painting was available, I couldn't resist sending it to DH - what *better* excuse do I need for being always at your knitting? --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fwd: (Ne)Tina, ah, (Ne)Tina...
In a message dated 8/23/2004 12:09:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When he caught me at my 2nd or 3rd retro-effort and repeated all th reasons against such, I looked up from my pillow and - bold as brass - said: I married *rich*; I do this for pleasure... Perhaps another response would be that you make lace for the most discriminating clientele. I can't imagine that poor quality would be tolerated in lace intended for royalty or aristocracy. In fact, in Tina, Mr. Le Fort is quite angry to hear that there is a mistake in the lace. Later he pleads with Tina to return to Belgium to help complete a special lace commission for the princess. Admitting that the writer may not have known much about lace making, it is nonetheless interesting to note that Tina has actually been taken into the house of a member of the aristocracy where her job is to do nothing but mend lace all day. She is being paid $40 a week and all of her living expenses. At the Metropolitan Museum of Art we have pieces of lace that have been so artfully mended that it is staggering to think how long it must have taken to do it. It is certainly a tribute to how highly the lace was valued. A great deal of our information about lacemakers and their economic conditions come from the period when lace was in decline, after the introduction of machinery. I often wonder if the extrapolation of these poor economic conditions back in time is actually justified. In the Despierres book on the Alencon industry, I believe she gives some figures that indicate that lacemaking was relatively well-paid compared to other female occupations and that lacemakers were considered desirable wives because of this. Alencon was a very luxurious fabric. I can't imagine it brought the high prices it did if mistakes were routinely made and left in. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Fwd: (Ne)Tina, ah, (Ne)Tina...
The following - from Dorte - came to my personal inbox... But I think it's of intrest to everyone on Arachne-tech, so am forwarding. My comment (of course! g) at the end. From: Dorte Zielke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: August 21, 2004 4:03:05 EDT It hadn't even occured to me - when reading Dorte's message - to wonder what would happen, if the teacher made a mistake in that first repeat... :) If you get to see old lace, and use a strong magnifying glass, you will discover many mistakes, When the lacer hat to live by doing lace, it had to be laced quickly, to earn, not to mucht time to undo, the tallies are not perfect, I was recontructing a pattern, photo copy from Tonder museum, there was a row off holes, and I couldn't understand why the pairs wouldn't match above and beneath that row, I keept having either a hole to mutch ore not enough pairs, until it was discovert, the prick distance was smaler beneath that row, that is becourse they were not so lucky to have this graph paper as we have now, there for it was so difficult to find out that problem. There is many mistakes in the old lace but no one that didn't have anything to do with lace would notice. And we usualy say as long you do the same mistake in all of your sections it becomes the pattern, it is no more a mistake, but one section with the right stich is then a mistake. Dorte Dorte's When the lacer had to live by doing lace, it had to be laced quickly [...] reminded me of my class (workshop) on Flanders, with Michael Giusiana (Ithaca, '97?)... Throughout the class, Michael kept trying to stop us from retro-lacing and correcting mistakes; You do not have the time to go back and correct, he'd say. Your children are at home, crying hungry, he'd say. Every minute you make lace counts, as does every minute you spend undoing it, he'd say. Finally, I had enough of the image of the empty throats waiting to be stuffed... When he caught me at my 2nd or 3rd retro-effort and repeated all th reasons against such, I looked up from my pillow and - bold as brass - said: I married *rich*; I do this for pleasure... Even in the old days there were people who made lace because they enjoyed it, not because they had to. In the (many g) Danish and Swedish museums that Vibeke took me to in '01, I saw a lot of paintings with textiles (not always lace) in them. Mostly, it was the rich who *wore* the fancy stuff, true... But, the *only* couple where both the man *and* the woman looked contented instead of sour-faced...? The woman had a needle in her hand, and was crafting a piece of lace... g Since a postcard of the painting was available, I couldn't resist sending it to DH - what *better* excuse do I need for being always at your knitting? --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
