Re: [lace] Gutermann thread enquiry

2016-01-13 Thread Jocelyn Froese
Greetings, I have a question about silk threads and washability? A lace teacher 
mentioned silk doesn't do well if it gets wet, and once ruined finished lace 
and many hours of work. That may gave changed with new threads? 
Jocelyn in Winnipeg
Canada

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[lace] Gutermann thread enquiry

2016-01-13 Thread Karen ZM
Thanks for your informative replies Brenda and Jane. It seems that the Bart
& Francis silk may be too fine, but the Piper's 80/3 seems it could be a
good alternative. The 100/3 may be a little too thin, but I have ordered a
cop of each to try out again. I say 'again' as I had already tried a few
different threads when I had first started planning this project some time
ago. In fact I had used the thread I'd ordered from Piper's to cover a
lampshade and work a fan (still uncounted!) At least now my pattern for the
veil is drafted and I am nearly ready to begin working, at long last and
after many hiccups and deviations on the way. Hopefully the daughter who
wants the veil will not want to get married before it's ready...

(Sorry Jane Partridge...I wanted to copy you in but couldn't pick up your
addy with the iPad. I trust you will read this on the list though.

Thanks again,
Karen in Malta.

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Re: [lace] Gutermann thread enquiry - washing

2016-01-13 Thread Jeriames
In a message dated 1/13/2016 10:37:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jocelyn.froe...@gmail.com writes:

I have a  question about silk threads and washability? A lace teacher 
mentioned silk  doesn't do well if it gets wet, and once ruined finished lace 
and 
many hours  of work. That may have changed with new threads? 
Jocelyn in Winnipeg  Canada


Dear Jocelyn,  Please do not speed read this memo on washing  silk.
 
Suggested advice:  Read and digest in your brain what those of us  who have 
handled a lot of lace have to say about threads.  The average  age of our 
lace community is growing older, and the time will come  when less and less 
experts volunteer to dispense free information!  Many of  you are not 
learning about threads in home economics classes any more.
 
The activity that ages all textiles more than wearing them is washing  or 
dry cleaning.  Therefore, I have written a number of memos that are in  the 
Arachne archives about the precautions to take to keep lace clean and as  
close as possible to its original condition.  One is to take it separately  to 
an event, and put it on there.  A good suggestion for a  fragile veil or a 
shawl that will be draped over shoulders.  They must  never be near an 
automobile's seat belt or materials like Velcro.
 
If handmade lace is permanently attached to a colored garment and  you wish 
to clean it, it might be wise to deconstruct a yoke or sleeve or  whatever 
for wet cleaning.  Make a "pattern" of the shapes to which it must  be 
blocked when reconstructed.  Today's threads are often a mixture of  fibers.  
We 
would not normally clean the different fibers (silk, cotton,  linen, wool, 
synthetics) in the same ways!  Think, before you leap  into a thread 
commitment.  You can design lace elements to be easily  removed from a garment.
 
With new silk threads, I recommend you make a shape about 6" square, wash  
the way you think it will be washed in the future, and see what  happens as 
it dries.  If it is an edging, it will give you sewing  practice, and you 
can see what happens to the fabric as well as the  lace.  
 
Do you remember my review of Gil Dye's latest book in mid-2015:  Insertions 
and Borders - 16th and 17th C. Lace - Book 4 ?  Attention was  called to 
how she solved a problem - thread did not fill spaces, as seen on the  
original antique lace.  Her solution was to soak her sample in warm  water, 
which 
plumped up threads.  My reviewer's note was that the water be  distilled or 
de-ionized.  I suggested this would be a good subject to  discuss further at 
individual lace meetings throughout the world and on this  Arachne 
discussion site.  We know program chairmen are always looking  for meeting 
subjects.  
Did anything come of it?
 
If our Arachne members are not going to read what I write, and think  about 
the nuggets of valuable information in book reviews, why should I continue  
to try to "save lace" through this communication medium  On  Arachne, 
there is unlimited space for book reviews and  conservation/restoration 
advice.  They do not have to fit a 100-word  limitation, or whatever, imposed 
by 
lace bulletin  editors.   
 
Conservation/restoration begins before you make something - ask all the  
pertinent questions of yourself before you begin designing,  You do not  have 
the "advantage" of lacemakers of old, who made the same laces  
year-after-year, using the same threads and techniques.  Your time is  precious.
 
Since this subject is an off-shoot of thread questions from Karen in Malta  
today, I will add:  There is quite a bit of old creamy silk Maltese lace  
here that I have washed.  However, before ever washing any old lace, I  
practiced a long time on "scraps" to see what would happen.  I have not  tried 
to 
wash black Maltese lace, because we all know black dyes were  problematic. 
Water weight/gravity would cause them to self-destruct.  A  study of old 
Maltese lace would reveal that it became so marketable that it was  made in 
many countries, explaining why so much is available on  eBay.  Collectors need 
to know such things.  It explains why the  texture of this type of silk lace 
varies.
 
Experience:  In the 1960s I made Summer dresses to wear to work  (before 
offices were air conditioned), using colored silk Shantungs from  Italy.  I 
always pre-washed it and the silk lining material before cutting  out the 
dresses so they could be washed by hand at home.  Some of the  sizing put in 
the 
fabrics was removed by water, making it a bit more difficult  to cut out 
the material.  The built-up odor of dry cleaning fluid was  objectionable.  I 
was able to avoid odor and a lot of  expense in this way.  Also, rings where 
water  might stain this fabric were very likely because of the 
manufacturers'  sizing.  
 
However - in the 2000's at a quilt show I bought magenta silk Shantung from 
 India, and put it in a basin of cool water.  This material bled and bled  
and bled.  Every time the basin was