RE: [lace] Lace without a corner
Many many thanks, everyone Now I know how much all I have to do now is make the lace then see if my needlework skills will cope with the attaching! Viv - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace without a corner
That's evil, using algebra. LOL! I only recently told my children I haven't had to use algebra since I left school (really I have but I won't admit to it) > > Measure the width of the lace. That's "X". > Measure the width of the fabric. That's "Y". > Each side must have Y + 2X length of lace. > Total length of lace is 4 x (Y + 2X). > Cheers, Yvonne. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace without a corner
Basically, the lace has to extend beyond each end of each side of the fabric by the amount of the lace's width. That's because the lace on side A sticks out by that much, so the lace on side B must be long enough to get to the outside edge of the lace on side A. Measure the width of the lace. That's "X". Measure the width of the fabric. That's "Y". Each side must have Y + 2X length of lace. Total length of lace is 4 x (Y + 2X). e.g., if fabric is 10" square and lace is 2.5" wide: X = 2.5" Y = 10" each side needs 10 + 2.5 + 2.5 = 15" total needed is 4 x 15 = 60" Actually, you should add a bit for "give" at the corners. Having exactly 4x(Y+2X) will make the outer edge of the lace just barely make it around the hankie. Adding a bit more will allow the outside edge of the lace to ruffle a bit around the corner. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Viv Dewar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Since I've finished the garter in time I'm hoping to make a > handkerchieffor the groom's Mum (What do mothers do at > weddings?!!) and have to > confess that after 7 and a bit years of lace making I haven't ever > joined lace to a piece of fabric. I'd appreciate it if someone could > advise how long to make an edging for a hankie if I'm using a pricking > without corners - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace without a corner
I think that Brenda has been talking about gathering round the corners all along, not mitreing, as it's easier and quicker to do neatly. Rochelle, if you think about it, the "bit extra to make sure the lace will go around the corners sitting flat." has to be enough so the "lace goes past the end of the hankie a distance equivalent to the width of the lace, turns 90 degrees, and goes down the next side of the hankie (again a distance equivalent to the width of the lace) before the footside actually reaches the hankie again" exactly as Donna said. Whether you plan to mitre or gather the width of the lace increases the hankie size by twice that width. Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace without a corner
While I agree with Donna on the explanation of the math, I disagree with the suggestion that the corner is "mitered", but then I could be misunderstanding the term. What I envisioned was four pieces of lace joined (sewn together) at the corner in a mitered fashion, much like a picture frame. This is a personal preference, and I don't mean to be rude to anyone. But when I see a handkerchief with a lace edge and the corners have been joined in a mitered fashion, I immediately think "machine lace". When I've gone to the trouble to make lace by hand, and the trouble or expense of making or finding a handkerchief that is appropriate in size and worthy of being gilded with handmade lace, I certainly don't want to whack my lace into bits and sew it back together - anything I come up with using that approach is entirely unsatisfactory, IMO. But the same math gives you enough to gather the lace at the corner and yes, you DO need to use the width of the lace as your measure, because each side of the handkerchief has to be treated as though that lace around the corner is part of the width of the handkerchief, or the lace will "cup" because the corner has been measured short. The result is a continuous piece of lace which curves gracefully around each corner. Early on in the history of lace, all corners were gathered. But as lace became more and more complex and "showy", the corners became an integral part of the design. So we are fortunate that we can choose to do it either way, and not be slaves to very much outdated fashion!! Clay Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [Original Message] > From: Donna Hrynkiw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 1/30/2006 5:29:13 PM > Subject: Re: [lace] Lace without a corner > > > Brenda Paternoster wrote: > > > Measure the side of the hankie and the width of the lace. You need 4 > > > times the width of the hankie PLUS 8 times the width of the lace - > > > absolute minimum. Round up so that you have an even number or > > > repeats, and preferably a multiple of four. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 30/01/2006 02:09:37 PM: > > Okay, you lost me on that one. Can you go through the math again slower? > > > It seems like one or the other but why both measurements? > > Ruth > > Let me see if I can tackle this. > > To calculate how much lace you need to edge a handkerchief with mitred > lace at the corners, you need: > > > Measure the side of the hankie and the width of the lace. You need 4 > > > times the width of the hankie > > Most hankies are square (four sides, all the same length). We need four > times the length of one side of the hankie -- one for each side of the > hankie. > > > > PLUS 8 times the width of the lace - > > > absolute minimum. > > When you mitre lace at a corner, the headside of the lace goes past the > end of the hankie a distance equivalent to the width of the lace, turns 90 > degrees, and goes down the next side of the hankie (again a distance > equivalent to the width of the lace) before the footside actually reaches > the hankie again. That's two width-of-the-lace distances for every corner. > Four corners times two widths equals eight widths. > > > > Round up so that you have an even number or > > > repeats > > I'm not sure why an even number of repeats is necessary. Brenda? > > > > and preferably a multiple of four. > > Ideally, each side and corner of the hankie will look exactly like all the > other sides and corners. The best way to do this is have the same number > of repeats on each side or in each corner. Four sides of the hankie means > for every repeat you add on one side should also be added on the other > three sides as well. Four sides = multiples of four repeats. > > Donna in Surrey B.C. Canada > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late. > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace without a corner
I got back to Viv off list but thought I would wade in after all. The simplest way, which may not appeal to everyone I admit, is to have gathered corners, and you only need to make the length of each side, and a bit extra to make sure the lace will go around the corners sitting flat. Just another option from a knitted lace person where we don't have corners on edgings. --- Rochelle Sutherland & Lachlan (7yrs), Duncan (6yrs) and Iain (5yrs) www.houseofhadrian.com.au Do you Yahoo!? Take your Mail with you - get Yahoo! Mail on your mobile http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mweb/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace without a corner
I know I didn't start this discussion, but I want to thank everyone who has replied. Everyone benefits when knowledge is shared :D -- Ruth You don't have to wear a red hat to have an attitude. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace without a corner
Once the lace is attached the total width of the hankie is fabric plus two widths of lace. Multiply that by four and you get 4 times the width of the fabric plus 8 times the width of the lace. So if your hankie is, say, 10" x 10" and the lace is 1.5" wide the overall size of the finished article is 13" along each side which means that you will need (13 x 4)" = 52" of lace, minimum. If you make it any shorter (for those measurements) there won't be enough to gather around each corner. Brenda On 30 Jan 2006, at 22:09, Ruth wrote: Okay, you lost me on that one. Can you go through the math again slower? It seems like one or the other but why both measurements? Thanks for sharing your knowledge :D Brenda Paternoster wrote: Hello Viv Measure the side of the hankie and the width of the lace. You need 4 times the width of the hankie PLUS 8 times the width of the lace - absolute minimum. Round up so that you have an even number or repeats, and preferably a multiple of four. Brenda On 30 Jan 2006, at 20:36, Viv Dewar wrote: Dear friends Since I've finished the garter in time I'm hoping to make a handkerchief for the groom's Mum (What do mothers do at weddings?!!) and have to confess that after 7 and a bit years of lace making I haven't ever joined lace to a piece of fabric. I'd appreciate it if someone could advise how long to make an edging for a hankie if I'm using a pricking without corners. I know someone posted this recently and, I'm sorry, I've managed to delete the comments. Thanks Viv In Worcestershire UK Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ruth You don't have to wear a red hat to have an attitude. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace without a corner
> Brenda Paternoster wrote: > > Measure the side of the hankie and the width of the lace. You need 4 > > times the width of the hankie PLUS 8 times the width of the lace - > > absolute minimum. Round up so that you have an even number or > > repeats, and preferably a multiple of four. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 30/01/2006 02:09:37 PM: > Okay, you lost me on that one. Can you go through the math again slower? > It seems like one or the other but why both measurements? > Ruth Let me see if I can tackle this. To calculate how much lace you need to edge a handkerchief with mitred lace at the corners, you need: > > Measure the side of the hankie and the width of the lace. You need 4 > > times the width of the hankie Most hankies are square (four sides, all the same length). We need four times the length of one side of the hankie -- one for each side of the hankie. > > PLUS 8 times the width of the lace - > > absolute minimum. When you mitre lace at a corner, the headside of the lace goes past the end of the hankie a distance equivalent to the width of the lace, turns 90 degrees, and goes down the next side of the hankie (again a distance equivalent to the width of the lace) before the footside actually reaches the hankie again. That's two width-of-the-lace distances for every corner. Four corners times two widths equals eight widths. > > Round up so that you have an even number or > > repeats I'm not sure why an even number of repeats is necessary. Brenda? > > and preferably a multiple of four. Ideally, each side and corner of the hankie will look exactly like all the other sides and corners. The best way to do this is have the same number of repeats on each side or in each corner. Four sides of the hankie means for every repeat you add on one side should also be added on the other three sides as well. Four sides = multiples of four repeats. Donna in Surrey B.C. Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace without a corner
Okay, you lost me on that one. Can you go through the math again slower? It seems like one or the other but why both measurements? Thanks for sharing your knowledge :D Brenda Paternoster wrote: Hello Viv Measure the side of the hankie and the width of the lace. You need 4 times the width of the hankie PLUS 8 times the width of the lace - absolute minimum. Round up so that you have an even number or repeats, and preferably a multiple of four. Brenda On 30 Jan 2006, at 20:36, Viv Dewar wrote: Dear friends Since I've finished the garter in time I'm hoping to make a handkerchief for the groom's Mum (What do mothers do at weddings?!!) and have to confess that after 7 and a bit years of lace making I haven't ever joined lace to a piece of fabric. I'd appreciate it if someone could advise how long to make an edging for a hankie if I'm using a pricking without corners. I know someone posted this recently and, I'm sorry, I've managed to delete the comments. Thanks Viv In Worcestershire UK Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ruth You don't have to wear a red hat to have an attitude. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace without a corner
Hello Viv Measure the side of the hankie and the width of the lace. You need 4 times the width of the hankie PLUS 8 times the width of the lace - absolute minimum. Round up so that you have an even number or repeats, and preferably a multiple of four. Brenda On 30 Jan 2006, at 20:36, Viv Dewar wrote: Dear friends Since I've finished the garter in time I'm hoping to make a handkerchief for the groom's Mum (What do mothers do at weddings?!!) and have to confess that after 7 and a bit years of lace making I haven't ever joined lace to a piece of fabric. I'd appreciate it if someone could advise how long to make an edging for a hankie if I'm using a pricking without corners. I know someone posted this recently and, I'm sorry, I've managed to delete the comments. Thanks Viv In Worcestershire UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace without a corner
Dear friends Since I've finished the garter in time I'm hoping to make a handkerchief for the groom's Mum (What do mothers do at weddings?!!) and have to confess that after 7 and a bit years of lace making I haven't ever joined lace to a piece of fabric. I'd appreciate it if someone could advise how long to make an edging for a hankie if I'm using a pricking without corners. I know someone posted this recently and, I'm sorry, I've managed to delete the comments. Thanks Viv In Worcestershire UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
