[lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America-Brazil

[Devon Thein]

Many thanks to Jo for that fantastic picture of a lacemaker seated behind a
huge bolster as in the picture from the Codex. Many thanks also to Deborah
for the suggestion that it is a banana leaf pillow from Brazil, based on
Portuguese lace pillows. I have been looking for other examples on the
internet and while there are some large bolsters, this one in Jo's photo is
the largest. I wonder if Deborah has any other information about the banana
leaf pillows of Brazil or photos of other examples. This is very
interesting.
Devon

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Maria Greil]

Hello Carolina and to all of the rest of the arachneans,

I have read your comments with great interest, but since I am no expert in
the lace made in the Hispanic colonies, I have nothing to say to the
opinion of Carolina de la Guardia: she has been working in that field for a
couple of years and I think she knows a lot. I am supporting her and what
she says 100%.
If you were talking about Spanish Mantillas, then I think I had something
to say, but lace made in the Spanish colonies  Carolina knows much more
than I.

Maria Greil


El dom., 16 feb. 2020 a las 15:23, jo () escribió:

> The two colors might be the color of the pricking and the color of the
> thread.
> Jo
>
> > ... as the pattern seems to take 2 colors ... Kim
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RE: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[jo]

The two colors might be the color of the pricking and the color of the
thread.
Jo

> ... as the pattern seems to take 2 colors ... Kim

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[cadega2]

The artifacts in the hands of the lady in the picture I think that they are 
clearly bobbins. By the way very well represented.
What really surprises me is the lace displayed on the big pillow, as the Codex 
is dated in 18th century. This is older than The picture that Bev has 
contributed with and taken in last century. 
The word “trenzilla” it means a type of ribbon that usually was made with the 
hands as a plait, as a trimming which was used to cover the seams, and also to 
decorate dressings, hats, objects, or any other piece made with thick tissues, 
so the threads were also thick, golded or plated.
It Leads me to think that this word “trenzilla” and the verb “trenzillar”, 
could be used in the next century to describe “a type of lace made with thick 
threads” in the Spanish Colonies.
On another hand, it is known  that in Spain were made narrow laces since 17th 
century worked with few pairs of bobbins, done for the same purpose, that of 
trimming and/or decorate the underskirt and linens but in this case the 
material was white thread.
The picture in this case shows a big pillow, and the piece does not seem a set 
of narrow braids worked at the same time all broad wise, but a wide piece of 
lace. 
Very interesting. I would like to hear the opinion of Maria Greil.
Regards.

Carolina de la Guardia
www.carolgallego.com

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Adele Shaak]

I think she’s making bobbin lace, all right.

If you’re describing something in a manuscript that also contains
information about lots of other things, your space is probably limited. You
get the most bang for your buck, illustration-wise, by depicting several
things at once. So you draw a long view of a woman making bobbin lace, plus
the lace itself is enlarged enough to show the pattern and the method of work.
The picture isn’t intended to be a decorative object, it is intended to
convey information; this composite picture shows the woman, the apparatus, the
pattern being produced, and gives an idea of the method of work.

Seeing the photo of the wide pillows at Arenys de Mar, that Bev sent, I can
easily see that you could use a pillow that wide, possibly making the same
narrower patterns several times at one go. It does look like the woman in
Devon's picture is working on the centre two stalks, and we can see she has
bobbins set aside to work the sets of two stalks on either side.

Fascinating picture.

Adele
Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


> On Feb 15, 2020, at 5:01 PM, DevonThein  wrote:
>
>  It was from the Codex of Martinez
> Companon. The conservator says it is part of a manuscript sent to the king
of
> Spain in the late 18th century. The information about it, in the index,
says
> Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman
weaving
> braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think
about
> this?

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Bev Walker]

Hello Devon, Sue and everyone

It could be a giant pillow!
Check the photo on this page for the lace museum at Arenys de Mar.in Spain,
even though about two centuries later than the codex. The technology was
earlier known?
http://www.arenysdemar.org/museu/index_i.htm

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 5:45 PM Devon Thein  wrote:

> Yes, it is a very large pillow.
>


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Kim Davis]

Fascinating topic!

The structure she is working on looks much more like a loom than a pillow.
I know  very little about weaving, but there is
at least one type that uses bobbins.  The textile which is coming off of
the back also looks more like a weaving or tapestry
as the pattern seems to take 2 colors to make.   I can't wait to hear what
others have to say.

Kim

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 5:01 PM DevonThein  wrote:

> About 20 years ago I received a question about whether lace was being made
> in
> Colonial Spanish America. I did not know the answer. I asked a curator at
> he
> Hispanic Society. He didn’t know, but he said it was very likely because
> the
> Spanish tended to set up these industries in their colonies. I asked
> another
> scholar at the Met about this and she said it would have to be researched
> in
> the Codexes. She was involved in a show, The Colonial Andes: Tapestries and
> Silverwork, 1530-1830. The show was very striking for the sophistication of
> the craftsmanship in the tapestries, as well as the Silver. Also there were
> many paintings showing people in Spanish America wearing lace.
> Today, on my Instagram stream I was treated to an image from a textile
> conservator that really caught my attention. It was from the Codex of
> Martinez
> Companon. The conservator says it is part of a manuscript sent to the king
> of
> Spain in the late 18th century. The information about it, in the index,
> says
> Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman
> weaving
> braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think
> about
> this?
> Here is the link:
>
>
>
http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/trujillo-del-peru--volumen-ii/html
> /966bf129-a181-4dd1-996b-ac44db7844e2_110.html
>

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Devon Thein]

Yes, it is a very large pillow. Many of the other images in the Codex show
examples of industry. I don't know if there are some of these that are out
of scale in an effort to focus on the process, since I don't really know
what the industry is. Also, perhaps someone is trying to draw something
that they haven't seen, but have heard described. (I just saw Durer's
Rhinoceros today at the Met. Apparently he had never seen one, but had
drawn from a description, so there are errors.)
Devon


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[lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America (second try)

[Devon Thein]

About 20 years ago I received a question about whether lace was being made
in Colonial Spanish America. I did not know the answer. I asked a curator
at he Hispanic Society. He didn’t know, but he said it was very likely
because the Spanish tended to set up these industries in their colonies. I
asked another scholar at the Met about this and she said it would have to
be researched in the Codexes. She was involved in a show, The Colonial
Andes: Tapestries and Silverwork, 1530-1830. The show was very striking for
the sophistication of the craftsmanship in the tapestries, as well as the
Silver. Also there were many paintings showing people in Spanish America
wearing lace.

Today, on my Instagram stream I was treated to an image from a textile
conservator that really caught my attention. It was from the Codex of
Martinez Companon. The conservator says it is part of a manuscript sent to
the king of Spain in the late 18th century. The information about it, in
the index, says Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean
Mestizo woman weaving braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace?
What do people think about this?

Here is the link:



http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/trujillo-del-peru--volumen-ii/html
/966bf129-a181-4dd1-996b-ac44db7844e2_110.html





Devon

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[suebabbs385]

If she is making bobbin lace, it's on a giant pillow!

Sue

suebabbs...@gmail.com

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Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman weaving
braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think about
this?
Here is the link:

http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/trujillo-del-peru--volumen-ii/html
/966bf129-a181-4dd1-996b-ac44db7844e2_110.html


Devon




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[lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[DevonThein]

About 20 years ago I received a question about whether lace was being made in
Colonial Spanish America. I did not know the answer. I asked a curator at he
Hispanic Society. He didn’t know, but he said it was very likely because the
Spanish tended to set up these industries in their colonies. I asked another
scholar at the Met about this and she said it would have to be researched in
the Codexes. She was involved in a show, The Colonial Andes: Tapestries and
Silverwork, 1530-1830. The show was very striking for the sophistication of
the craftsmanship in the tapestries, as well as the Silver. Also there were
many paintings showing people in Spanish America wearing lace.
Today, on my Instagram stream I was treated to an image from a textile
conservator that really caught my attention. It was from the Codex of Martinez
Companon. The conservator says it is part of a manuscript sent to the king of
Spain in the late 18th century. The information about it, in the index, says
Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman weaving
braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think about
this?
Here is the link:

http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/trujillo-del-peru--volumen-ii/html
/966bf129-a181-4dd1-996b-ac44db7844e2_110.html


Devon


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