Re: [lace] Re: hanky sizes
Hi Beth, Sue et al, I am quite surprised at the fact that so many don't litheir hankies actually to be used!I have made quite a few in my time, both for myself and friends/family, and I am always pleased when any of the lace I have made - whether it was hankies, towel edgings or pillowcase/sheet edgings - is used and appreciated!I can sort of understand that laundering may not agree with a very fine Bucks point edging, but I also wouldn't like to specify what for, or how, the item is used - once it is given away, it is that person's property, to do with as they wish! I would be quite miffed if the lace was discarded and the frame retained for family photos, or some such thing but, so long as the lace really is appreciated, that is the main thing. Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: Beth Marshall b...@capuchin.co.uk To: Sue hurwitz...@supanet.com; lace@arachne.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: [lace] Re: hanky sizes I hope you're not going to allow anyone to blow there nose on your precious lace, - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: Hanky Sizes
Can I ask others what sort of size they usually have the cloth centre. My bedfordshire one seems too tiny to me. Hi Sue: Usually people think of the overall size they want the hanky, and subtract the width of the lace to find out the size of the middle bit. This can result in a hanky that's 90% lace, if you want a small hanky with a wide edging. And there were different sizes depending on where you intended to stash the hanky. There are little tiny ones around 3 square, called glove hankies, (intended to be tucked into your glove). There are huge hankies that could easily double as small table-cloths, and everything in between. And if you get to the end and feel that your lace looks too tiny on a too-large centre, you can increase the visual impact of the lace by embroidering a border on the linen. I have a hanky that is 8 inches square overall, with a Bedfordshire edging about 1/2 wide, and that looked too narrow so I added a row of Dorset feather stitching on the linen to bring it up to about 3/4 wide. I'm happy with the size for a purse hanky, though I think an 8 size overall could accommodate lace at least 1 wide without looking too lacey. So, then your centre would be about 6 square. If it was a little smaller it would still be useful, I think. Adele North Vancouver, B.C. (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: hanky sizes
I reckon the size of centre you need depends on two things: 1) the width of the lace edging to be put round it and 2) how the hanky is intended to be used A wide edging will need a smaller centre than a narrow one, otherwise the whole hanky including wide edge would be inconveniently wide. I hope you're not going to allow anyone to blow there nose on your precious lace, but a hanky which is to be purely decorative dosn't really need much centre fabric - if the lace looks right on the fabric that's all that matters - whereas if you're intended to use it to elegantly wipe away tears at weddings and funerals you'll need a fair sized piece of nice soft fabric in the centre to absorb the tears... IIRR most people reckon on an overall width (including the lace) of between 6 and 10 (about 15cm to 25cm for those who think in metric) for a lady's hankie. Why not try playing with a photocopy/scan of the pricking and a couple of sheets of paper - fit copies together to get the whole hanky pricking with a blank space in the middle, then try it with and extra pattern repeat (or more then one if it's a short repeat) in the sides and see which looks more balanced between lace and centre? Have fun! Beth In Cheshire, enjoying some early spring sunshine On Thursday 12 March 2009, Sue wrote: I am playing nice at the moment making up an edge for a hanky, But having printed out two corners to but up to each other to create the sides then move the first pattern piece to make 3 corner (if you see what I mean, I am wondering if it should be bigger. Can I ask others what sort of size they usually have the cloth centre. My bedfordshire one seems too tiny to me. Sue T Bobbin Lace and Glass engravings http://www.hurwitzend.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: Hanky Sizes
I knew as soon as I had sent this that I had missed some vital information, sorry folks, g The edge I am currently putting together on the design program is about one inch wide and I want the hanky for a bride, but also to be able to do the baby bonnet fold at some time in the future. I think this is such a lovely way of using a treasured item. I have seen these on sites before but cannot remember the size of the fabric the lace is on and cant remember which sites either. Mind you the current edging isn't lighting up anything, so I will do some more work before I make the lace. Our daughter is to remarry, and there wont be any children, but her new partners family are older and one has recently had a baby (Janice this is what I used your cute rocking horse for), so she will be able to use the hanky/bonnet for any future grandchildren within the family and to pass on into the family which will be nice. I also want to make hankies for my 2 nieces, before they start naming their special day. I will continue to looking at edges and putting together elements I really like and leaving out others I am not so keen on and hoping I make something worthy. They will be torchon, not the bedfordshire like my lesson hanky was although I was drooling over a couple of beautiful patterns in Christine Springetts lace for special occasions the other evening, g. Thank you Adele and Robin for you useful replies. Sue T Can I ask others what sort of size they usually have the cloth centre. My bedfordshire one seems too tiny to me. Hi Sue: Usually people think of the overall size they want the hanky, and subtract the width of the lace to find out the size of the middle bit. This can result in a hanky that's 90% lace, if you want a small hanky with a wide edging. And there were different sizes depending on where you intended to stash the hanky. There are little tiny ones around 3 square, called glove hankies, (intended to be tucked into your glove). There are huge hankies that could easily double as small table-cloths, and everything in between. And if you get to the end and feel that your lace looks too tiny on a too-large centre, you can increase the visual impact of the lace by embroidering a border on the linen. I have a hanky that is 8 inches square overall, with a Bedfordshire edging about 1/2 wide, and that looked too narrow so I added a row of Dorset feather stitching on the linen to bring it up to about 3/4 wide. I'm happy with the size for a purse hanky, though I think an 8 size overall could accommodate lace at least 1 wide without looking too lacey. So, then your centre would be about 6 square. If it was a little smaller it would still be useful, I think. Adele North Vancouver, B.C. (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Hanky Sizes
Sue I saved the following hanky instructions from Carol Duvall: by Carol Duvall There was a nice letter and a dandy idea in the Shoebox today from Linda Johnson of San Diego, Calif. Linda recalled my mentioning one time that nice hankies had become quite expensive--along with everything else, of course--but that they were also often difficult to find, other than possibly in the wedding department. Linda found the same to be true, so she did a smart crafter thing. Linda made her own. And she was not only kind enough to send along an example of one of her handmade handkerchiefs but the directions as well. They're easy. We made several. Handkerchief Materials: nine-inch square of batiste 44-inch length of one-inch wide lace sewing machine thread scissors Steps: 1. Cut lace into four 11-inch lengths. Place one piece of lace along one edge of the fabric so that one inch of lace extends beyond each end (figure A). 2. Stitch the lace to the fabric using a small zigzag stitch. Repeat on all four sides. The lace will overlap at each corner. 3. With the small zigzag stitch, sew from the corner of the fabric to the outside corner of the lace at each corner. Turn back the lace along the line of stitching and cut as close to the stitching as possible (figure B). Do this at each corner. 4. Turn the hanky over and repeat the corner cutting process at each corner. Hankie Bonnet A frequent request that I receive is one for the directions for making the handkerchief baby bonnet and for the poem that comes with it. These directions have been around for many years, as has the poem. Following are the directions I used and my somewhat edited version of the poem. It's still not very good. You might search around on the Internet. I'm sure there are any of number versions out there. Steps: 1. Place a hanky flat on the tabletop and fold back one edge about one inch (figure C). You many have to experiment to see what measurement will give you the look you want. This folded edge will be the front of the bonnet. 2. Fold the opposite edge back approximately three inches and press with an iron. There should be some space between the two rows of lace (figure D). 3. Open the hanky and make a row of running stitches along the fold at the back of the hanky. Do not knot or finish off. Refold the hanky along the pressed line. 4. Fold the front corner of the hanky back at an angle forming a small triangle at the corner. Add a length of ribbon for tying. Also add any little silk ribbon flower or appliqued flower. Repeat on the opposite front corner (figure E). If there is space between the two rows of lace on the top of the bonnet, you may wish to run a narrow length of ribbon there. I didn't. 5. With the hanky still folded along the pressed line, pull on the thread used in the running stitch to gather the hanky to form the bonnet (figure F). 6. When desired size is reached, secure the thread and finish off (figure G ). Here's the poem: I'm just a little hankie As square as square can be But with a small stitch or two A bonnet I will be. I'll be worn home from the hospital Or on my christening day And after that be folded And carefully put away. When on that future wedding day So we've been always told The well-dressed bride must always Wear something that is old. So what could be more fitting Than to find little me And with a few fine stitches snipped A wedding hankie be. And if perchance it's a boy Someday he'll surely wed Then his bride can have the hankie Once worn upon his head. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: hanky sizes
The edging I am currently putting together a pattern for is about an inch wide, the original print out I did would have allowed about a 7 inch hanky inside, but I have copied and pasted a bit so it will now take about a 10 inch square piece and does seem better. I do have two pieces of each print, so can play a bit more. What I might do is try a couple of inches of any patterns I like, using white thread and a little piece of blue edge and see what it looks like made up. I dont want to ignore a pattern that might be very nice or make up something I am unhappy with. You know how difficult it is to see the final lace until it is made up. I dont want to end up storing it and doing nothing with it. No, they will not be allowed to blow noses onto it, I will supply some paper tissues for that purpose, grin Thank you for this extra insight. Sue T I reckon the size of centre you need depends on two things: 1) the width of the lace edging to be put round it and 2) how the hanky is intended to be used A wide edging will need a smaller centre than a narrow one, otherwise the whole hanky including wide edge would be inconveniently wide. I hope you're not going to allow anyone to blow there nose on your precious Have fun! Beth In Cheshire, enjoying some early spring sunshine Sue T Bobbin Lace and Glass engravings http://www.hurwitzend.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Re: hanky sizes
Blow their nose on hand made lace!! God forbid, I always attach a little note saying for show not to blow Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Hanky Sizes
Thank you very much for this, although I assume that this was using bought lace? I cant quite see me cutting lengths of lace into 4 pieces. I actually won some nice hankies in a special raffle recently, but they have far too much pattern on to use for this purpose. Never mind I will hunt the cloth shop next time out. Not that I think I have ever seen batiste. I better take a sample piece of lace to lay on it to see if its fine enough and the colour works, I would have to have white lace and a different white cloth. What a wealth of information flying around this afternoon. Genius lot. Sue T, Dorset UK Sue I saved the following hanky instructions from Carol Duvall: by Carol Duvall There was a nice letter and a dandy idea in the Shoebox today from Linda Johnson of San Diego, Calif. Linda recalled my mentioning one time that nice hankies had become quite expensive--along with everything else, of course--but that they were also often difficult to find, other than possibly in the wedding department. Linda found the same to be true, so she did a smart crafter thing. Linda made her own. And she was not only kind enough to send along an example of one of her handmade handkerchiefs but the directions as well. They're easy. We made several. Handkerchief Materials: nine-inch square of batiste 44-inch length of one-inch wide lace sewing machine thread scissors Steps: 1. Cut lace into four 11-inch lengths. Place one piece of lace along one edge of the fabric so that one inch of lace extends beyond each end (figure A). 2. Stitch the lace to the fabric using a small zigzag stitch. Repeat on all four sides. The lace will overlap at each corner. 3. With the small zigzag stitch, sew from the corner of the fabric to the outside corner of the lace at each corner. Turn back the lace along the line of stitching and cut as close to the stitching as possible (figure B). Do this at each corner. 4. Turn the hanky over and repeat the corner cutting process at each corner. Hankie Bonnet A frequent request that I receive is one for the directions for making the handkerchief baby bonnet and for the poem that comes with it. These directions have been around for many years, as has the poem. Following are the directions I used and my somewhat edited version of the poem. It's still not very good. You might search around on the Internet. I'm sure there are any of number versions out there. Steps: 1. Place a hanky flat on the tabletop and fold back one edge about one inch (figure C). You many have to experiment to see what measurement will give you the look you want. This folded edge will be the front of the bonnet. 2. Fold the opposite edge back approximately three inches and press with an iron. There should be some space between the two rows of lace (figure D). 3. Open the hanky and make a row of running stitches along the fold at the back of the hanky. Do not knot or finish off. Refold the hanky along the pressed line. 4. Fold the front corner of the hanky back at an angle forming a small triangle at the corner. Add a length of ribbon for tying. Also add any little silk ribbon flower or appliqued flower. Repeat on the opposite front corner (figure E). If there is space between the two rows of lace on the top of the bonnet, you may wish to run a narrow length of ribbon there. I didn't. 5. With the hanky still folded along the pressed line, pull on the thread used in the running stitch to gather the hanky to form the bonnet (figure F). 6. When desired size is reached, secure the thread and finish off (figure G ). Here's the poem: I'm just a little hankie As square as square can be But with a small stitch or two A bonnet I will be. I'll be worn home from the hospital Or on my christening day And after that be folded And carefully put away. When on that future wedding day So we've been always told The well-dressed bride must always Wear something that is old. So what could be more fitting Than to find little me And with a few fine stitches snipped A wedding hankie be. And if perchance it's a boy Someday he'll surely wed Then his bride can have the hankie Once worn upon his head. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Re: hanky sizes
At 02:34 AM 13/03/2009, Sue wrote: Blow their nose on hand made lace!! God forbid, I always attach a little note saying for show not to blow Back in the late 70s my dear old Granny McGARVIE once gave a hanky back to me because the lace was too rough on her nose!! David - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
