Re: [lace] Re: thread help: daliam cotton thread

2005-10-24 Thread Brenda Paternoster

On 24 Oct 2005, at 00:18, Tamara P Duvall wrote:

I've never heard of the thread myself. Just checked ed 3, and it's not 
there, unless it's a case similiar to Finca (everyone refers to it as 
"Finca", but it's full name is Presencia Finca Bolilos", so it's under 
P's, not under F's)... So I decided to have a go at it from another 
angle :)

No it's not there, I've never heard of it!


The pricking uses - mainly - cloth and and half stitch, which are two 
of the 3 stitches used also in Cathy Belleville's Chrysanthemum Lace 
book. Judging by how open/dense the two tapes are in the photo, 
they're about similiar in that respect also. The main difference is 
that Chrysanthemum uses linen thread, and the pumpkin project uses 
cotton, and the two behave differently (especially depending on 
whether there're 2 or more plies in the thread)


So, OK... I measured the pin distance on the pumpkin pricking and it's 
about 4mm between pins. That's the distance Cathy recommends for 
Moravia linen 40/2 which is shown in Brenda's book as having 22 wraps 
per cm. I don't know what crochet threads you have in your stash, but 
22 wraps corresponds to various cordonnets 40 in cotton.


However. Judging by the width of the tapes and the number of bobbins 
used (in both Chrysanth and the pumpkin), I'd probably "err" on the 
side of a slightly thicker thread - say 21 or 20 wraps - especially if 
your thread has more than 2 plies (which it's likely to, if made for 
crochet); 2 plied thread tends to have better coverage (spreads out 
more) than a 3 or 6 ply thread with its tighter twist. Additionally, 
cotton thread is usually much more uniform in thicknes than linen with 
its thin/thick sequences.
You've looked at it from a slightly different angle to me but came up 
with the same answer; something about 20 -22 wraps/cm.


Brenda
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/

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[lace] Re: thread help: daliam cotton thread

2005-10-23 Thread Tamara P Duvall

On Oct 23, 2005, at 18:05, Julie Ourom wrote:


Thread help
The October pattern in the Lace Guild calendar for a tape lace pumpkin 
caught my fancy.  It's made by a Spanish lacemaker, Maria Jose Jovez 
and calls for Daliam cotton thread 50 #12.  Has anyone ever heard of 
this thread?  I want to use some crochet cotton from my stash and it 
would help to know approx. what weight it is so I know how to adjust 
the pricking.  So far I haven't been able to track it down.  I have 
only the second edition of Brenda's thread book, and I don't see it 
there.  I'd appreciate it if someone could check to see if it's in the 
3rd edition (I need to get a copy) or possibly someone knows of this 
thread or has used it.


I've never heard of the thread myself. Just checked ed 3, and it's not 
there, unless it's a case similiar to Finca (everyone refers to it as 
"Finca", but it's full name is Presencia Finca Bolilos", so it's under 
P's, not under F's)... So I decided to have a go at it from another 
angle :)


The pricking uses - mainly - cloth and and half stitch, which are two 
of the 3 stitches used also in Cathy Belleville's Chrysanthemum Lace 
book. Judging by how open/dense the two tapes are in the photo, they're 
about similiar in that respect also. The main difference is that 
Chrysanthemum uses linen thread, and the pumpkin project uses cotton, 
and the two behave differently (especially depending on whether 
there're 2 or more plies in the thread)


So, OK... I measured the pin distance on the pumpkin pricking and it's 
about 4mm between pins. That's the distance Cathy recommends for 
Moravia linen 40/2 which is shown in Brenda's book as having 22 wraps 
per cm. I don't know what crochet threads you have in your stash, but 
22 wraps corresponds to various cordonnets 40 in cotton.


However. Judging by the width of the tapes and the number of bobbins 
used (in both Chrysanth and the pumpkin), I'd probably "err" on the 
side of a slightly thicker thread - say 21 or 20 wraps - especially if 
your thread has more than 2 plies (which it's likely to, if made for 
crochet); 2 plied thread tends to have better coverage (spreads out 
more) than a 3 or 6 ply thread with its tighter twist. Additionally, 
cotton thread is usually much more uniform in thicknes than linen with 
its thin/thick sequences.


Hope this is off help... at least until someone from Spain tells us 
what Daliam is :)

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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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