[lace] Re: Stunned
Hi All, Thank you for all the comments. Devon, you're quite right. I gave the pattern to the Lace Magazine so that others could enjoy seeing the lace and making it for themselves. I have no problem with that and its very nice to think that someone enjoyed making and having it. I suppose its a new experience for me, to see lace being passed on from someone who made it, and presumably enjoyed having it, but who is no longer with us and their creations no longer have any value or meaning. I hadn't thought of it like that, that now is a time to invest in modern lace because its cheap. I suppose that is true of many arts and crafts and the skill is in judging what might become more valuable with time. Jean, thank you for telling me about Bill Blake. I'm so glad he enjoyed this pattern. It's difficult to tell from the photo but the lace looks beautifully made. I wondered if it was someone clearing his estate and it seems very sad to think the work hasn't gone to members of the family to be treasured, but as Sue said, better that the lace should go to someone who wants it rather than it be thrown away. Lyn, I'm not sure I follow your story about the quilt although it sounds like moral infringement. As far as I know I still have copyright of the tern design. I don't believe this breaches that copyright anymore than selling books secondhand. Remember that when a book is sold secondhand, not a penny of that money goes to the author even though the copyright is still held by them. Anyway, no need to worry about copyright here - clearly no-one is going to make a profit out of the design! Oh Sue, 1105 euros for a milanese book! Thats incredible! (Ridiculous?!) Robin, interesting thoughts on selling hand made crafts, especially as I thought that with lace appearing at the high end of fashion (couturier, royal wedding, etc) that might filter down. Evidently not. Beth, yes sorry, 25 years. Too many for me to count :-). Thank you for all the conversation, its been interesting and helpful. Its great to have a community like arachne to 'chat' with. Best wishes, Jane Sunshine! A break from all the storms and rain in Southern England - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Re: Stunned
Some years ago my DH used one of my early pieces of Torchon Lace taken from Elizabeth Wades book to frame around a photo of my parents at their wedding which hung on her wall for some years afterwards. Last year she was very ill and we feared for her survival, but she is made of stronger stuff than we thought, :-) and then it was decided her independent life was over and she was prepared to go into a care home. Three of my siblings dismantled her home, leaving basic essentials to go into the home with her, threw away masses of stuff, normal clutter, but also this particular photograph including my lace. We didn't find out until she was settled into her room and we were able to visit. She had none of her items which made her room home, except her clock which was a wedding gift. Eventually some of us have restored some of her photos and other little pleasures of life but of course the lace is lost. I am going to take her a new piece that has been hanging on our wall for several years to replace it, but putting a label on the back tell them to return to me when she is finished with it. I was disappointed with my sisters for not returning it to me first. Sue T Dorset UK Jane wrote Thank you for all the comments. Jean, thank you for telling me about Bill Blake. I'm so glad he enjoyed this pattern. It's difficult to tell from the photo but the lace looks beautifully made. I wondered if it was someone clearing his estate and it seems very sad to think the work hasn't gone to members of the family to be treasured, but as Sue said, better that the lace should go to someone who wants it rather than it be thrown away. Thank you for all the conversation, its been interesting and helpful. Its great to have a community like arachne to 'chat' with. Best wishes, Jane - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Stunned - hand made items/ IP/Licensing
I'm setting up a sewing/costuming business so I've been doing a lot of research in both the market of hand-made items use of patterns/fabric for further sale. What I've found is that there is a market for high priced hand-made items, however, lace isn't one of them. Things like pillows, dolls, dresses, corsets, etc are very popular. People are not going to pay HUGE money for my tatted bookmarks so I will eat the cost on those, but I can charge more for the Comic/Geek themed items to make up the difference. It's a balance between cost what people will pay. I've found the successful sellers have a mix of cheep and custom items. As to the copyright/IP side of things most of what I found is that the courts (in the US) have ruled that a person who buys a pattern or some fabric with a licensed image on it does have the right to then use those objects to create another thing which can be sold. The buying of a pattern or the buying of the fabric has been ruled to fall under first sale use. So, if I buy a magazine with a pattern in it, then make a bunch and sell them on ebay, that is legal; at least in the USA. Though it is recommended to put - Big and obvious - a disclaimer of affiliation on items with clearly licensed images - like Disney. This is not a licensed Disney product. It is however, hand-crafted from licensed Disney fabric. I am not affiliated with or sponsored by Disney Enterprises. It's also recommended that listings be worded clearly...ie Sundress made with Disney princess fabric. NOT Disney Sundress. Hope that helps someone. Robin -- Never, ever, let anyone tell you what you can and can't do. Prove the cynics wrong. Pity them for they have no imagination. The sky's the limit. *Your* sky. *Your *limit. Now, let's dance. *~Tom Hiddleston* - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re Stunned
Having been an Executor when my parents died, as many on this list will have been, it can be very difficult clearing a house and putting a value on things. There were several items that we listed on ebay, (not lace) but we had to weigh up whether to list each item at what we thought it might be worth, and pay a higher listing fee or to start low and hope that the bidding would take off. We opted for the latter, and even then only a couple of things sold, without much interest to increase the price. Those things that didn't sell, of course, we lost the cost of listing. I've also been in the situation of having two of my students die, and having their stash to clear, at the same time trying to impress upon the children/husband that they should at least keep one or two things, even though no-one of the present generation was interested in making lace. When you are faced with an Estate to clear and you have no idea of the value, you have the choice of keep, charity shop, sell or bin. Ebay is one way of possibly getting what something is worth, and of selling it to someone who wants it. It might seem horrific that someone would sell, on ebay, lace made from a pattern published in a magazine, without credit to the designer. But, if they only knew that their Uncle - or Client (remember often the Executor is the family solicitor) - made it, and hadn't a clue who designed it, they wouldn't be able to give that credit. Rather than be stunned, I would feel a little sad that it didn't gain a lot of interest and command a higher value, but be glad that someone who wanted it bought it (even if that person was a dealer themselves who would possibly sell it on), and that the maker liked the design to spend time making it - I'm sure Jane Read knows as well as I do that you can have many patterns published but it is rare that you hear whether or not anyone has ever made lace from them. If we said that no-one could sell the lace we'd made after we died, what would happen to it - would it get stuffed in a box in an attic, or be thrown out? Sometimes museums are offered lace from Estates. More often it is a case where, if you have a funeral to pay for, and the deceased had few savings, what they did have needs to be sold. I doubt my daughters and grandchildren will keep everything I've made over the years, my main hope is that Great Great Grandmother Harriet Banner's cross stitch sampler, in a frame I think made by her father (it has hand made nails in it, and he was a nailer in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire) is kept in the family. It will be 190 years since she finished it in November this year. It would be nice to think some of my work will still be around in 200 years' time, but I doubt it! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
