Re: [lace] black ethafoam
Hi, Maybe it's the pins themselves not being sharp enough to penetrate!? I've experienced this with a batch of pins in the past. Some would go in fine but others seemed to be lacking a suitable point. Season's Greetings to one and all Andrea Lamble Cambridge, UK - where it is dull but mild for the time of year. From: Dona B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dona B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] black ethafoam Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:04:39 +0100 Lori wrote: So it could be ethafoam but not the correct grade for pillows. I have been wondering about this of late. Whether there are different grades of ethafoam? I'm currently making a piece of Flanders lace on an ethafoam pillow that I made several years ago. Up to this point I had only ever made Brugge Flower lace on this particular pillow using a larger sized pin. I never had a problem. But with this Flanders, I'm using a thinner thread and thus smaller pins and I'm having a heck of a time getting some of the pins to go into the ethafoam. One would think that smaller pins would go in more easily but that is not the case. These pins will hang in a certain spot and there's no pushing it in without taking the larger sized pin into the spot first, which will push in without a problem. Talk about sore fingertips! Not to mention bent pins. I'll be glad to finish this piece- not only to move onto the next project but to put this pillow away for awhile. I've talked to Santa about a nice Belgian straw pillow so hopefully the next piece of Flanders will be easier on the fingers. I hope he's listened! The ethafoam I used was white and was the only color offered when I purchased it. It does hold the pins in tightly once they're in. Dona in Maisieres, Belgium where our beautiful weather is continuing into December. - Original Message - From: Lori Howe To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [lace] black ethafoam Once I wanted to order ethafoam from a manufacturer and they carried dozens of weights and coarseness some of which were identified by color. So it could be ethafoam but not the correct grade for pillows. It would also need to be tested for pin ability and strength to hold the pin without moving when threads are tightened. Lori the Lacefairy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] black ethafoam
Thanks Kenn for so much info about ethafoam, but be wary of covering a pillow with denim. Indigo dyes are VERY fugative - some brands of jeans are guranteed to to bleed colour in the wash! Brenda On 14 Dec 2006, at 04:16, kenn van dieren wrote: Betty's comment of covering it with felt or wool is good as it eliminates any deformities and gives a softer feel to the surface. A removable cotton muslin or denim cover also helps hold it all in place. But I would doubt that there would ever be any bleeding of colour from the material even if used with no further cover on it. Brenda in Allhallows, Kent - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] black ethafoam - running dyes
In a message dated 12/14/06 3:18:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Kenn for so much info about ethafoam, but be wary of covering a pillow with denim. Indigo dyes are VERY fugative - some brands of jeans are guranteed to to bleed colour in the wash! Brenda Dear Irene, I would add that *some* colored felts bleed when wet. Pre-test whatever padding material you use, and also the fabric that will come in direct contact with lace threads. The rule of thumb is to anticipate future problems and avert them in the planning stages. Dyes that run tend to be permanent once they dry on whatever they have stained. Anyone who has had this happen with colored embroidery threads can attest to this, which is why I worry about the trend towards colored laces. The reality is that lacemakers are not in the habit of testing threads for color-fastness! Embroiderers have learned that there are thread manufacturers who have let us down on this. Pre-test anything that is darker than a pastel. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] black ethafoam
Once I wanted to order ethafoam from a manufacturer and they carried dozens of weights and coarseness some of which were identified by color. So it could be ethafoam but not the correct grade for pillows. It would also need to be tested for pin ability and strength to hold the pin without moving when threads are tightened. Lori the Lacefairy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] black ethafoam
Lori wrote: So it could be ethafoam but not the correct grade for pillows. I have been wondering about this of late. Whether there are different grades of ethafoam? I'm currently making a piece of Flanders lace on an ethafoam pillow that I made several years ago. Up to this point I had only ever made Brugge Flower lace on this particular pillow using a larger sized pin. I never had a problem. But with this Flanders, I'm using a thinner thread and thus smaller pins and I'm having a heck of a time getting some of the pins to go into the ethafoam. One would think that smaller pins would go in more easily but that is not the case. These pins will hang in a certain spot and there's no pushing it in without taking the larger sized pin into the spot first, which will push in without a problem. Talk about sore fingertips! Not to mention bent pins. I'll be glad to finish this piece- not only to move onto the next project but to put this pillow away for awhile. I've talked to Santa about a nice Belgian straw pillow so hopefully the next piece of Flanders will be easier on the fingers. I hope he's listened! The ethafoam I used was white and was the only color offered when I purchased it. It does hold the pins in tightly once they're in. Dona in Maisieres, Belgium where our beautiful weather is continuing into December. - Original Message - From: Lori Howe To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [lace] black ethafoam Once I wanted to order ethafoam from a manufacturer and they carried dozens of weights and coarseness some of which were identified by color. So it could be ethafoam but not the correct grade for pillows. It would also need to be tested for pin ability and strength to hold the pin without moving when threads are tightened. Lori the Lacefairy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] black ethafoam - running dyes
Jeri Ames wrote: I would add that *some* colored felts bleed when wet. Pre-test whatever padding material you use, and also the fabric that will come in direct contact with lace threads. As a seamstress, personal clothing designer, lacemaker, and one-who-does, I never make or use any fabric without testing it for bleeding, staining, or shrinking. If one doesn't want to immerse fabric in water, just have paper towels dripping wet, put a corner of the fabric or thread between these paper towels and squish or pound them to be sure the fabric is saturated. Then check your wet paper towel to see if there is any coloration. Checking for shrinkage is another matter and doesn't really concern us in this discussion. Happy lacemaking, Betty Ann in Roanoke Virginia USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] black ethafoam
Irene, When I use ethafoam (colored light blue) I first use felt or a wool blanket cut to fit, cover that with cotton muslin (calico in England), then the final cover. You should have no problem with its being colored black. Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA who just resubscribed after being away and is now BACK - Original Message - From: Whitham, Irene Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) Has anyone had any experience with black ethafoam, I would like to make a lace pillow (snip) I'm worried that the black might bleed does anybody know anything about this? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] black ethafoam
I supply many of the Ethafoam pillows in the US but have never seen it in any color other then white. I did contact my supplier and it is available in other colors though as additional cost. So the first question is that is it really is Ethafoam. Ethafoam is an extruded polymer, i.e.: air added to it to expand the material vs. something like a Styrofoam, i.e.: a beaded material heated into a form. Both 'Ethafoam' and 'Styrofoam' are only trade names of materials made by Dow Chemical Corp. and are designed for different purposes and of different polymers. So you need to ascertain that it is in fact Ethafoam. Styrofoam is generally used as an insulation product and can be had in light blue, pink or white. Ethafoam originated as a packing material to absorb shock during shipping. Traditionally Ethafoam has been hard to come by outside of the US but being in Canada may not be as much of a problem. Having said all this and assuming it is really Ethafoam, you should not have any problem with it bleeding. The colour added would be introduced prior to the extruding process and become an intracal part of the foam. I don't recall the trade name but think of the long pool noodles that are sold for backyard swimming pools. They are about 2-1/2 or 3 in diameter and 5 or 6 feet in length. And come in a variety of colour. All that they are is coloured Ethafoam. ( Ethafoam floats very well because of the extrusion process). Betty's comment of covering it with felt or wool is good as it eliminates any deformities and gives a softer feel to the surface. A removable cotton muslin or denim cover also helps hold it all in place. But I would doubt that there would ever be any bleeding of colour from the material even if used with no further cover on it. ** Bobbins by Van-Dieren Kenn Van-Dieren 2304 Clifford Avenue Rochester, NY 14609 Tel: 585.654.5711 Cell: 585.750.8842 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.bobbinmaker.com * - Original Message - From: Whitham, Irene Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:17 PM Subject: [lace] black ethafoam Hello ladies, Has anyone had any experience with black ethafoam, I would like to make a lace pillow but only one place has ethafoam at the moment and it is black. I asked what the black was and it is pigment? I'm worried that the black might bleed does anybody know anything about this? Irene, Surrey, BC - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
