[lace] Re: lace copies

[Susan Vossier]

Alex said:   I don’t mind friends sharing or teachers supplying my patterns
at
no cost,   Thank you Alex!

A friend and I have subscriptions to different lace publications, but both
of us, if we see something in the other's publication, order our own copy
of that particular number.  My problem is more with out-of-print books. in
my early days of lace-making, I saw and fell in love with Pat Read's
Milanese lace books, but they were way beyond my capacities at the time;  A
couple of years later, when i felt I could tackle them, You couldn't find
the for love or money - well, yes, but a LOT of money on ebay.  A friend
lent me hers for a shile (what's the copyright position there?), and I
eventually was lucky enough to get a second-hand copy of the first book
from Roseground.

The same thing happened with  Bridget Cook's Idrija lace , but there were
other books on the subject, though not so detailed.  I was delighted when
they were reprinted, and am now working my way through mine.
I perfectly understand the feelings of designers, for whom what they earn
from a design is ridiculous compared with the time spent, the knowledge and
skill required, not to mention the inspiration.  And how galling it is that
even  that minute sum is pirated away.

But there are a lot of frustrated lacemakers out here who can't get designs
legally because they're out of print!  (I may say that the only prickings I
download are those which are offered free on sites such as LOKK - or Gon
Homberg's site - for which, much thanks, Gon!)

Sue from a gloriously sunny Montélimar

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Re: [lace] copies!

[Nancy Neff]

Alex et al.,

I realize that copyright has been discussed before on Arachne, but I think
it's important that someone respond to Alex's initial statement. I agree
with you that once you give out a pattern, you have (almost) no control
over who copies it, but it is NOT in the public domain, at least not in the
US.  (What I say here I believe applies to the US at least, and I thought
to the UK and most of the rest of Europe as well.) The creator of a design,
diagram, set of instructions, text, score, etc. owns the copyright until
their death (and it is my understanding that it then becomes a question of
whether their estate renews the copyright or not), unless it is explicitly
signed over to someone else or explicitly put into the public domain. It is
my understanding that giving copies to a class, for example, is not putting
it in the public domain.

Practically speaking, once you give out a pattern, you are dependent on
people's honesty either not to copy it, or to ask permission, or to pay you
for it. Distributing a pattern without at least a name on it is making it
unreasonably difficult (IMHO) for people to be honest about it, and I think
it would be difficult to defend one's copyright in that case. However, the
lace-making community is small enough and sufficiently networked that, if
someone's name is on a pattern, then the honest thing to do is to track
down the person and ask about acquiring a copy.

Where US law gives latitude, and makes it a judgment call, is the "fair
use" clause. I'm clearer about this clause in the case of a book: one has
the right to copy a limited portion of a published work for personal use.
Obviously an immediate question is what is meant by "limited"--I don't know
and I expect the attorneys would be glad to discuss it at length, for a
fee, but we can apply some common sense here. One factor determining
"personal use" is that the portion that is copied not be sold. This means
that I can copy a single pattern out of a book of patterns in the library,
for example, for my own use, without violating US copyright law. (That
doesn't mean that one should do so, however. The lace community is small
enough, and hence the market for lace books is small enough, that we should
be supporting our designers and authors.)  How the fair use clause would
apply to a stand-alone pattern that includes pricking, working diagram,
perhaps written instructions, perhaps a photo of the finished lace? I don't
know, but it would definitely not permit copying the entire thing, even
just for personal use.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA



On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Alex Stillwell 
wrote:

> Hi Kim
>
> I agree with you.
>
> Once you give out a pattern it is in the public domain and you have no
> control
> over who copies it. If you wish to keep it to yourself don’t give anyone
> the
> pattern.  I don’t mind friends sharing or teachers supplying my patterns
at
> no cost, (please do not pass on the working instructions, they often take
> more
> time to write than the design itself) particularly if they acknowledge
> that it
> is my design.  The time I got cross was when one of my students reported a
> supplier was selling one of my designs.
>
> Perhaps if more lacemakers learned to design there would be less copying.
> It
> takes a time, the replies we have are typical, but it is very rewarding.
>
> Blow the dust, let,s design
>
> Alex
>
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Re: [lace] copies!

[Maureen]

I so agree Alex.  I Have always been willing to share anything I design, just 
give me the credit for the original.  

Maureen
E Yorks UK
where it is wall to wall sunshine.

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[lace] copies!

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Kim

I agree with you.

Once you give out a pattern it is in the public domain and you have no control
over who copies it. If you wish to keep it to yourself don’t give anyone the
pattern.  I don’t mind friends sharing or teachers supplying my patterns at
no cost, (please do not pass on the working instructions, they often take more
time to write than the design itself) particularly if they acknowledge that it
is my design.  The time I got cross was when one of my students reported a
supplier was selling one of my designs.

Perhaps if more lacemakers learned to design there would be less copying. It
takes a time, the replies we have are typical, but it is very rewarding.

Blow the dust, let,s design

Alex

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RE: [lace] Copies of prickings from dark sources

[Jean Nathan]

Tracing and drawing are fine if your hands do what you want them to do. Mine
don't now and it's very frustrating. Threading  needle is difficult enough
even with one of those wire thingies that you put trough the eye and pull the
thread through, but getting a dot or a line (and a straight line) on to paper
or card in the right place is hit and miss and very tiring.

I used to draw markings on pricking card or trace but now I can't, so it's
photocopy or scan and, if it's my own design use Lace XRP with snap-to-grid
switched on.

Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK

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[lace] Copies of prickings from dark sources

[Sally Jenkins]

Hello all,

This is my first foray into Arachne.

I've been following the thread about making prickings from copies too dark
to photocopy. If the pattern is fairly small and simple, I have been known
to use tracing paper - in the U.S., this is a thin, tissue-like paper that
is translucent. Placing the tracing paper over the dark pricking (or over a
pattern in a book), fastening it in place with paper clips or tape, I
carefully draw the dots onto the tracing paper. Then I can simply photocopy
my tracing-paper copy onto cardstock.

Or, under the right circumstances, I actually prick the tracing paper.
Sometimes I have to fiddle around with the background to get the dots to
show up. Sometimes I prick the tracing paper and then draw the dots in
place with an architect's felt pen.

Either of these ways will get a workable pricking; again, as long as the
pattern is not too involved.

I agree with the writer(s) who said that drawing in one's own markings
helps one to understand the pattern. So, although it takes some time, in
the end it's for the best.

I print on several colors of pastel card stock so that I will have a choice
of thread colors, and then I cover the pricking with matte Contact Paper.

Greetings from western Oregon, USA,
Sally

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