Re: [lace] re: Rosalibre comments
Robin says but because the techniques are her invention, that's getting into infringeing on Cathy's intellectual property (morally, if not legally). I am not comfortable with that. No matter how much a few of us enjoy it, I'm afraid Cathy's revolution may be a quirky lace that fewer and fewer people bother with. However, Cathy quite clearly says in the front of the book in answer to the question Can I teach others this lace? Yes, if you do so without distributing any patterns, descriptions or diagrams from this document. I hold the copyright on this material, but will not trademark the specifics of the technique. If another teacher has worked enough with Cathy or from the book to feel confident to teach the lace, then they will almost certainly have also done some of their own designs and made their own working notes and diagrams, and that is all that she is asking. After all the hard work she put in developing the techniques and writing the book, she would probably be pleased and interested to see it becoming a well known lace instead of fading into obscurity. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] re: Rosalibre comments
Robin P. wrote: I have taught RL to each of the 3 lace groups to which I belong, because that's teaching friends. I was asked once to teach at a more formal workshop (the Winter Lace Conference), but because the techniques are her invention, that's getting into infringeing on Cathy's intellectual property (morally, if not legally). I am not comfortable with that. No matter how much a few of us enjoy it, I'm afraid Cathy's revolution may be a quirky lace that fewer and fewer people bother with. Dear Robin et al, I am very glad I bought the book when I did. Haven't used it, but if you see something you might like, you buy it NOW, so you can have the book in case it is popular and it goes out of print. This book was published in something like 2005, and 7 years later it's not easily found, out of print. Here are the issues as I see them: The only book on the subject is out of print. Cathy wrote a whole page on using, teaching and copying her book, so clearly at the time, she wanted to profit from her endeavor, and rightly so. Instead of copying the pages, she suggested buying the book twice on that page. An excellent idea, and really the only option while that is possible. That is no longer possible, yet clearly there are people who want to learn this unique lace. On the other hand, she does suggest contacting her in the event someone wants to sell more than 5 pieces of lace designed by her, She also mentions that if you want to copy just a page or 2, or just one design and not buy the book, contact her. From comments on Arachne, it appears that Cathy has moved on. From the website quoted in her book, it is very clear that this is a woman of remarkable talent and capability, so it is sad for us that she has done so. Cathy deserves the profit from her ideas and design. But with a book out of print, that is not happening. If Cathy is truly out of the ring, then she may not be aware of this situation. It seems to me that the best solution to the whole problem is for someone to contact Cathy, and find out about her intentions and desires concerning this lace at this time. She may still be of the same mind. She may be planning to reprint the book. She may not care, as she has moved on. Until her wishes and desires are known, not much can be done. This also brings up the issue of a teacher not wanting to use the patterns from a book which is not her own. Sometimes someone rethinks things, writes a book which has designs that may work better than the traditional ones in that particular kind of lace. Yet there are copyright problems. How difficult is it to contact the author to copy a design in her book for a class, especially a beginner class, where people may not want to invest a large sum in a book if they find out they don't like making the lace, whereas some may find they do after the class and then buy the book. Has anyone tried contacting an author in order to use patterns to teach from? How difficult is it? What success did you have? Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the weather is a bit cool for this time of year, high of 83F 25.5C, but it will be hotter by tomorrow. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] re: Rosalibre comments
In message 11582901.1340810184709.javamail.r...@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.n et, lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes Has anyone tried contacting an author in order to use patterns to teach from? How difficult is it? What success did you have? I have always used my own patterns for teaching. However, some twenty years ago, I was making lace bookmarks to sell at a fair to raise money for our local hospice, and contacted Christine Springett to ask permission to use her snake pattern for this purpose (I wonder how many teachers/demonstrators have asked her before using said pattern on beginner pillows?) - she wrote me a lovely letter in reply, giving permission. On the other side of the coin, some years ago I was contacted by an author who is a well known lace teacher, saying that she had been using one of my patterns, published in 'Lace' some years before, for teaching purposes, and had used that pattern as the basis of a chapter of her book which she was just about to start selling (ie it was already printed by then). This put me in a difficult situation because had I refused permission for its use, it would have cost her a considerable amount. It was the first feedback I had had that anyone had used the pattern in any way, and to some extent flattering, but not all designers see things that way. However, her methods of working my technique are not the simplest, and I have since had published, in 'Lace' and the 'Canadian Lacemaker Gazette', my way of working overlapping loopy gimp rings. -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] re: Rosalibre comments
First off, Jeanette is much too modest. I've seen pictures of her designs and they're beautiful and very creative. As for publishing designs, there's a problem: imagine being given a pricking of a complex Milanese picture such as Pat Read or Louise Colgan have created, with no knowledge whatsoever of the techniques of Milanese. Or a lovely Beds pattern with no guipure experience. Now what? Cathy invented RL with a number of unique techniques, and if you haven't learned RL already you won't know what to do with the design. When I have taught original patterns I have referred people to Cathy's book. This is done just like the in pattern yyy (or it's just like that with the following differences). Since it is/was Cathy's lace revolution and she taught for just a few years, only a modest number of people are privy to those secrets at this time. Publishing a simple daffodil flower would require publishing a whole lot of accompanying information on how to do it, which could easily infringe Cathy's copyright and/or take up far too much space in a magazine. Tamara was asked to ! publish some of her RL but refused for this reason. So the only people who could use the published design are the ones who already know RL, and that won't widen the knowledge base. I have taught RL to each of the 3 lace groups to which I belong, because that's teaching friends. I was asked once to teach at a more formal workshop (the Winter Lace Conference), but because the techniques are her invention, that's getting into infringeing on Cathy's intellectual property (morally, if not legally). I am not comfortable with that. No matter how much a few of us enjoy it, I'm afraid Cathy's revolution may be a quirky lace that fewer and fewer people bother with. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] re: Rosalibre comments
No matter how much a few of us enjoy it, I'm afraid Cathy's revolution may be a quirky lace that fewer and fewer people bother with. It is too bad that there doesn't seem to be some way that Cathy could make her book available as an internet download, or self-publish via the one at a time publishing facilities that have been discussed so that she could earn some money for her intellectual property. Has anybody talked to her about this? If she doesn't want to bother with it, perhaps she wouldn't mind if someone like Robin photocopied the book for classes and sent her some small per copy fee. The purpose of the copy right law, in the US, at least, is to encourage the development of intellectual property to benefit everyone by giving the creator a short time monopoly on it so that there is a financial incentive to create intellectual property. It is a shame when the impact is the creation of intellectual property that is then withheld from all those who would like to have access to it. This is the exact opposite of the purpose of the US copyright law. Devon PS. I know a folk singer who actually puts on his music that he knows that people are going to play his music, sing it and share the recordings at folk gatherings, and if someone records the song he doesn't mind, but suggests that they send him $2 and gives his address. I think it is a nice solution to the situation where everyone wants to do the right thing. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
