RE: [lace] Bucks Prickings

[Annette Meldrum]

Hi ladies, 
As you requested more information, I checked my notes, and this is what I 
recorded. Spanish Blonde prickings, known to be over 100 years old. They are 
designed for a triangular mantilla, with the borders heavily worked and the 
ground worked in strips with flowers at intervals. Pins were expensive, so they 
only used every second hole and it is evident that only every second row is 
fully pricked. Suitable for 120 thread, doubled and twisted for the flowers for 
better coverage, 250 thread for the ground. It was explained to me that Spanish 
Blonde lace is not as fine as the French Blonde lace. The correct name is 
French Blonde lace in the Spanish tradition.
As you suggest, it could be Almagro blonde, but I did not record that and maybe 
it was not suggested as I would not have understood the difference.
Sorry for any confusion, 
Best wishes
Annette in Wollongong, Australia

From: Elena Kanagy-Loux
Hi everyone,
I hope I’m understanding this correctly. When I studied Spanish Blonde at the 
Lace association in Barcelona in 2015, the same thing was explained to me about 
pinning only on either side of the tulle. I also did not prick the pattern. I 
did however use a pin in every stitch of tulle, because I was a beginner and 
wanted more security.
Best,
Elena 

Maria Greil  wrote:
>  Hello Annette,
>  What you write about Spanish blonde has made me very curious. Would 
> you mind telling us a little bit more about the 'very old prickings' 
> an English speaking Spanish lace historian gave you for the Gild 
> collection? As much as you tell (and Antje already found out and 
> perfectly described) it can only be Almagro blonde.
> Maria Greil
> a German lacemaker living in Spain

Annette wrote"
>> Hi all, Interesting discussions.
>> In Spain, I was given some very old Spanish blonde prickings for our 
>> lace guild archive. The lacemaker who donated them, explained that 
>> the ground was only pricked in each alternate row as lacemakers only 
>> pinned alternate rows to make the work quicker. 
>> The prickings are well used and indeed only pricked in alternate rows.


>> From: Diana Smith
>> Hi Alex
>> Like you I’ve studied many old prickings over the years but very few 
>> without the ground pricked.
>> 
>> I have a theory, that in order to save time when working large areas 
>> of point ground some workers would work a row of stitches without 
>> pinning up, at the end of the row the pins were inserted into the 
>> pricked holes all in one go. One worker bobbin would follow a row and 
>> would therefore be used to tension the work. I’ve tried this and it works 
>> well.
>> Diana


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Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Hi everyone,

I hope I’m understanding this correctly. When I studied Spanish Blonde at the 
Lace association in Barcelona in 2015, the same thing was explained to me about 
pinning only on either side of the tulle. I also did not prick the pattern. I 
did however use a pin in every stitch of tulle, because I was a beginner and 
wanted more security.

Best,
Elena 

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> On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:53, Maria Greil  wrote:
> 
> Hello Annette,
> 
> What you write about Spanish blonde has made me very curious. Would you
> mind telling us a little bit more about the 'very old prickings' an English
> speaking Spanish lace historian gave you for the Gild collection? As much
> as you tell (and Antje already found out and perfectly described) it can
> only be Almagro blonde.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Maria Greil
> a German lacemaker living in Spain
> 
> 2017-12-03 22:55 GMT+01:00 Annette Meldrum :
> 
>> Hi all,
>> Interesting discussions.
>> In Spain, I was given some very old Spanish blonde prickings for our lace
>> guild archive. The lacemaker who donated them, explained that the ground
>> was only pricked in each alternate row as lacemakers only pinned alternate
>> rows to make the work quicker. She is a lacemaker and lace historian, so I
>> trust her knowledge.
>> The prickings are well used and indeed only pricked in alternate rows.
>> Annette, enjoying an unusually rainy and cool day, in Wollongong Australia.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Diana Smith
>> Hi Alex
>> Like you I’ve studied many old prickings over the years but very few
>> without the ground pricked.
>> 
>> I have a theory, that in order to save time when working large areas of
>> point ground some workers would work a row of stitches without pinning up,
>> at the end of the row the pins were inserted into the pricked holes all in
>> one go. One worker bobbin would follow a row and would therefore be used to
>> tension the work. I’ve tried this and it works well.
>> 
>> Diana
>> 
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Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings

[Maria Greil]

Hello Annette,

What you write about Spanish blonde has made me very curious. Would you
mind telling us a little bit more about the 'very old prickings' an English
speaking Spanish lace historian gave you for the Gild collection? As much
as you tell (and Antje already found out and perfectly described) it can
only be Almagro blonde.

Thank you.

Maria Greil
a German lacemaker living in Spain

2017-12-03 22:55 GMT+01:00 Annette Meldrum :

> Hi all,
> Interesting discussions.
> In Spain, I was given some very old Spanish blonde prickings for our lace
> guild archive. The lacemaker who donated them, explained that the ground
> was only pricked in each alternate row as lacemakers only pinned alternate
> rows to make the work quicker. She is a lacemaker and lace historian, so I
> trust her knowledge.
> The prickings are well used and indeed only pricked in alternate rows.
> Annette, enjoying an unusually rainy and cool day, in Wollongong Australia.
>
>
>
> From: Diana Smith
> Hi Alex
> Like you I’ve studied many old prickings over the years but very few
> without the ground pricked.
>
> I have a theory, that in order to save time when working large areas of
> point ground some workers would work a row of stitches without pinning up,
> at the end of the row the pins were inserted into the pricked holes all in
> one go. One worker bobbin would follow a row and would therefore be used to
> tension the work. I’ve tried this and it works well.
>
> Diana
>
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Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings

[AGlez]

Hello Annette,

You are right about the prickings of Spanish blonde from Almagro. I don't
know if it happens the same with the ones form Catalonia though.

One row is not pricked, and is not drawn on the pattern either. So, the
ground is formed by horizontal lines of dots placed one under the other,
not forming an angle. The stitches that are worked in the imaginary line
that is between the drawn line is the one that forms the angle of the point
gound.

I imagine you do not find it easy to understand without seeing the
pattern... I have tried it with this explanation! Perhaps Maria and
Carolina can complete it...

Best wishes and have a nice lacemaking week!

--

Antje González, Spain
www.vueltaycruz.es

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Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings

[Karen ZM]

I've been following your discussion with interest - now it's time to
comment.

In Maltese lace, we never pre-prick our patterns - at least not to my
knowledge - and this was never mentioned in lectures of Maltese lace
history either. If a pattern is pricked (has holes) it means it has been
used to work on.

We also work the boll stitch (punt tal-balla) without any pins, except at
the edges. The stitch is used where lots of ground is needed, and
especially in ecclesiastical garments, both with fine threads and thicker
ones, just because it can be worked up relatively fast.

May I take this opportunity to wish everybody a happy festive season.

Karen in Malta.

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RE: [lace] Bucks Prickings

[Annette Meldrum]

Hi all,
Interesting discussions.
In Spain, I was given some very old Spanish blonde prickings for our lace guild 
archive. The lacemaker who donated them, explained that the ground was only 
pricked in each alternate row as lacemakers only pinned alternate rows to make 
the work quicker. She is a lacemaker and lace historian, so I trust her 
knowledge.
The prickings are well used and indeed only pricked in alternate rows.
Annette, enjoying an unusually rainy and cool day, in Wollongong Australia.



From: Diana Smith
Hi Alex
Like you I’ve studied many old prickings over the years but very few without 
the ground pricked. 

I have a theory, that in order to save time when working large areas of point 
ground some workers would work a row of stitches without pinning up, at the end 
of the row the pins were inserted into the pricked holes all in one go. One 
worker bobbin would follow a row and would therefore be used to tension the 
work. I’ve tried this and it works well.

Diana

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Re: [lace] Bucks prickings

[Cynce Williams]

Hi Malvary and all,

I tried working point ground pinning only the first and last pins of a row. It
works nicely--if you can keep good tension. I wouldn't suggest it to
beginners. but you make good points about the economics of professional
lacemakers.

Cynthia


On Dec 3, 2017, at 8:10 AM, Malvary Cole wrote:

> I raised this very question, not whether the pricking had been pricked or
not but about putting in pins, when I did a course on Downton lace.  It is the
same thought, did the lacemakers put in pins on the longer rows of ground or
not.

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Re: [lace] Bucks prickings

[Malvary Cole]

I raised this very question, not whether the pricking had been pricked or 
not but about putting in pins, when I did a course on Downton lace.  It is 
the same thought, did the lacemakers put in pins on the longer rows of 
ground or not.  I tried it and after putting in a couple of pins at the 
edge, I then went down the row with no pins until I got near the pattern.  I 
then put the pins in because I was still learning and didn't want to have 
that as a problem to not making the lace correctly.  I found that it was 
quicker to do that than put the pin in at each stitch.


As lacemakers also had to buy their pins which were expensive, perhaps we 
hear about them not using pins on the long rows of ground was because they 
just didn't have that many available.  Do we know how the lacemakers got 
their patterns? Maybe they came already pricked and the lacemaker would 
start off with pins but as they became more accustomed to the pattern found 
that they could save both time and pins by not pinning all the way through 
the ground.


Just my 2 cents worth.

Malvary in Ottawa where we have a dullish but reasonably mild day (-2), but 
it is still early and time for some sun.


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Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings

[Diana Smith]

Hi Alex

Like you I’ve studied many old prickings over the years but very few without 
the ground pricked. 

I have a theory, no doubt you have also thought of it!  That in order to save 
time when working large areas of point ground some workers would work a row of 
stitches without pinning up, at the end of the row the pins were inserted into 
the pricked holes all in one go. One worker bobbin would follow a row and would 
therefore be used to tension the work. I’ve tried this and it works well.

Diana

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