Re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground
What's more the page http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html; won't validate with W3C. it gives the message Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 5 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character encoding indication. Brenda On 22 May 2005, at 11:08, Brenda Paternoster wrote: A strange website! I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le cours and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old and that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows) That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac, Netscape7 - all current versions. I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a lot of potential visitors. What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do that 5.2 for Mac can't? Brenda On 21 May 2005, at 16:24, J.Falkink-Pol wrote: A french site has very good pictures. Some pages I had to try a few times until they worked. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html select cours from the menu under etudes des fond press the button lancer le cours or try directly http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/fonds/ select: fonds de mariage Jo Falkink - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground
Ooh, I really don't like it when people do this - it also doesn't work with Mozilla 1.7.7 which was only released a couple of months ago! :-o Helen in a very damp Somerset, UK At 11:08 22/05/2005, Brenda Paternoster wrote: A strange website! I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le cours and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old and that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows) That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac, Netscape7 - all current versions. I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a lot of potential visitors. What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do that 5.2 for Mac can't? Brenda Helen in Somerset, UK -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 16/05/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Browsers -was roseground
The technology world is every changing. The Internet has changed remarkably since the invention of Internet Explorer 3.1 and unfortunately, many things now available NEEDS Internet Explorer 5.5 or better. Internet Explorer Version 6 is on my machine now. That is just the way it is... I hate to say it, -- get on board the new one or be left behind -- but that is the way of it. New techniques and advantages are in 5.5 that are not in 3.1 and those new things are great additions. They also speed up your access a wee bit. I say Upgrade Ladies! Susie from Morris Illinois. http://cjohnson0969.home.comcast.net/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brenda Paternoster Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:22 AM To: Brenda Paternoster Cc: J.Falkink-Pol; Arachne Subject: Re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground What's more the page http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html; won't validate with W3C. it gives the message Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 5 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character encoding indication. Brenda On 22 May 2005, at 11:08, Brenda Paternoster wrote: A strange website! I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le cours and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old and that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows) That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac, Netscape7 - all current versions. I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a lot of potential visitors. What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do that 5.2 for Mac can't? Brenda On 21 May 2005, at 16:24, J.Falkink-Pol wrote: A french site has very good pictures. Some pages I had to try a few times until they worked. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html select cours from the menu under etudes des fond press the button lancer le cours or try directly http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/fonds/ select: fonds de mariage Jo Falkink - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground
Sorry, but for MAC user the newest version is 5.2.3 and I can't see your site. Ilske Am 22. Mai 2005 um 15:53 schrieb C. Johnson: The technology world is every changing. The Internet has changed remarkably since the invention of Internet Explorer 3.1 and unfortunately, many things now available NEEDS Internet Explorer 5.5 or better. Internet Explorer Version 6 is on my machine now. That is just the way it is... I hate to say it, -- get on board the new one or be left behind -- but that is the way of it. New techniques and advantages are in 5.5 that are not in 3.1 and those new things are great additions. They also speed up your access a wee bit. I say Upgrade Ladies! Susie from Morris Illinois. http://cjohnson0969.home.comcast.net/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brenda Paternoster Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:22 AM To: Brenda Paternoster Cc: J.Falkink-Pol; Arachne Subject: Re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground What's more the page http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html; won't validate with W3C. it gives the message Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 5 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character encoding indication. Brenda On 22 May 2005, at 11:08, Brenda Paternoster wrote: A strange website! I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le cours and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old and that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows) That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac, Netscape7 - all current versions. I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a lot of potential visitors. What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do that 5.2 for Mac can't? Brenda On 21 May 2005, at 16:24, J.Falkink-Pol wrote: A french site has very good pictures. Some pages I had to try a few times until they worked. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html select cours from the menu under etudes des fond press the button lancer le cours or try directly http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/fonds/ select: fonds de mariage Jo Falkink - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Browsers - was roseground
Susie wrote: That is just the way it is... I hate to say it, -- get on board the new one or be left behind -- but that is the way of it. New techniques and advantages are in 5.5 that are not in 3.1 and those new things are great additions. They also speed up your access a wee bit. Jean wrote: And what about those whose machine specification won't support it? (Mine will.) Not everyone can afford to upgrade their computer, and, in any case, if it does mostly what they want it too, why should anyone try and make them? And as for not supporting anything other than Internet Explorer - well the web page writers have obviously got shares in Microsoft and want to encourage Bill Gates' monopoly trying to stop anyone having a Mac or being able to choose which browser they prefer. This seems a bit of an unfair slight on web designers and writers. Back in 1990 when Tim Berners-Lee invented the world wide web and the language for the web - html - all he envisaged was a system for document retrieval and interlinking. The language used for writing web pages was text based (could be produced in NotePad or any other text editor) and there was no thought of including images. For good or ill - and there are arguments both ways - over the last 15 or so years the web has grown exponentially and the original text browsers like the original Mozilla (later Netscape) have become more sophisticated in order to read the pages being written by web designers. Web designers have an interest in pushing the boundaries and there is a cyclical effect of more sophisticated pages needing more sophisticated software encouraging the development of more sophisticated pages. Some designers will continue to produce simple html pages alongside and as an alternative to their other offerings and others consider this an inefficient use of time. It has little or nothing to do with support for the Microsoft empire - there is little or nothing that will not display equally well on any of the cutting edge browsers be they IE, Firefox, Opera, etc. In advising a user that an upgrade is necessary in order to read a webpage, the designer is simply being realistic about what will work on what and is using programming techniques to recognise which browser is in use. In the case cited at the start of this thread, it is interesting only IE 5.5 was required rather than the current version. Clearly not everybody is able or willing to run all the most up-to-date software, but that does not imply anything sinister in being at the cutting edge of technology. Apologies that this has little to do with lace, but much to do with recent technological history. Though come to think of it, isn't the Lace Guild now offering an RSS feed... Cheers Liz - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground
Brenda Paternoster wrote: A strange website! I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le cours and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old and that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows) That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac, Netscape7 - all current versions. I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a lot of potential visitors. What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do that 5.2 for Mac can't? The site uses dynamic HTML which has been written in terms of the Microsoft version of the Document Object Model (DOM). If it had been written better (or later than 2002-3) it would have provided alternatives for the standards version of the DOM which I believe Firefox and Safari follow, as professional modern sites that employ this technology do. It turns out that the Mac version of IE doesn't work on the pages either http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/fonds/, but it would never have had a chance to try, as the checking script that is invoked when you hit the button locks out any browser that isn't Internet Explorer of version number 5.5 or higher. David PS And, no, the page doesn't validate because the person that scripted it makes no pretence that it conforms to any standards - it's written to work with one brand of browser on one platform, which it does. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
