Re: [lace] Wrapps per inch (and thanks, Avital)
- Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: It is surprising sometimes just how much variation in the density of pinholes some threads can take. There will always be an optimum pin density for any given thread, but spread the pinholes out for a lighter airier look and crowd them in for a heavier, denser appearance. Which brings us to yet another variable in choosing threads--personal preferences in the finished product. I dislike cloth stitch (CTC) that has gaps between the threads, but others like the gauzy appearance. Therefore, the thread that I consider best will be thicker than the thread such a person considers best. But then for rose ground, or honeycomb (CTT pin CTT), or whole stitch ground (CTCT pin CTCT), or half stitch (CT), I'd enjoy a finer thread than I would for cloth stitch so then I might want the same thread as the person who liked the gauzy cloth stitch. And thank you, Avital, for updating the info tacked onto Arachne messages. I just noticed the URL for the Arachne webshots, which I keep forgetting. -Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Wrapps per inch (and thanks, Avital)
Robin's statement opens up another line of thought when it comes to choosing a thread. 'Threads for Lace' suggests ideal thicknesses for a given grid size and many patterns suggest suitable threads. If the one you want to use is slightly finer then go for heavier grounds such as CTCT pin CTCT and choose half stitch rather than cloth stitch if you don't want it to look gauzy. If your thread is a bit thicker choose CT pin CT for the ground, or even CT pin CTT or n CT pin CTTT if the thread is soft and will absorb the extra twists. But as Jacqui said earlier there is no substitute for working a small sample with the thread(s) of choice on a pricking at the same scale to see if the result is what you like or want. Brenda On 7 Jun 2011, at 08:33, robinl...@socal.rr.com robinl...@socal.rr.com wrote: - Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: It is surprising sometimes just how much variation in the density of pinholes some threads can take. There will always be an optimum pin density for any given thread, but spread the pinholes out for a lighter airier look and crowd them in for a heavier, denser appearance. Which brings us to yet another variable in choosing threads--personal preferences in the finished product. I dislike cloth stitch (CTC) that has gaps between the threads, but others like the gauzy appearance. Therefore, the thread that I consider best will be thicker than the thread such a person considers best. But then for rose ground, or honeycomb (CTT pin CTT), or whole stitch ground (CTCT pin CTCT), or half stitch (CT), I'd enjoy a finer thread than I would for cloth stitch so then I might want the same thread as the person who liked the gauzy cloth stitch. Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Wrapps per inch
On 6/06/11 11:27 AM, Elizabeth Ligeti wrote: The beauty of Brenda's book, is that all the wpi are done by her, - therefore the same hand and the same tension. This means it is a better comparison than each of us doing our own measure! Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 NO tension by the same hand can vary quite significantly! Anna - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Wrapps per inch
NO, tension by the same hand can vary quite significantly! But surely not as much as us each doing our own. So long as the winder is aware of the amount of tension they are putting on the thread, and with practise, there will be some consistency. Also I think I am right in saying that Brenda does more than one for each thread, and the final figure is an average. I have always found it an excellent book for selecting threads as substitutes to those suggested by a designer, or to change from one fibre to another, or to collect a group of very similar threads to sample for a particular grid. But NO book or chart will completely replace working a sample, because in the same way as each person will thread wrap differently, each person's lacemaking tension is different. Because of the more stretch/thinner thread relationship, someone with very firm tension can work with a thicker thread than someone who has slacker tensioning. Thus, if the original sample of a piece of lace is worked with a thread towards the thick range for that design, and another lacemaker with less tight tension works the same combination, the latter will most likely struggle to make the lace, and will end up with a clumpy looking piece of work. The reverse, of course, is that if your tension is tighter than the original lacemaker's, your lace may end up looking too whispy for your taste. So, particularly if you are about to start a large project, even if you have bought a pattern and the recommended thread, please take an hour or so to work a small sample of something like a cloth stitch diamond and a little ground; this you can unpin and have a sample to handle as well as seeing what it looks like, to decide if it is the right thread for you, your lacemaking with that pattern, and how you like your lace to look and feel. When the project itself may take you hundreds of hours, this small precaution is well worth doing. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Wrapps per inch
So long as the winder is aware of the amount of tension they are putting on the thread, and with practise, there will be some consistency. Yes with practice tension on a winding does become more even. I know that I usually knit or crochet to the stated tension if I'm using the same yarn and needles/hook, and I think that I probably use a fairly average sort of tension when making windings. Also I think I am right in saying that Brenda does more than one for each thread, and the final figure is an average. Yes - if it comes out the sime first two times that's it, but if it varies sometimes needs four or five wrappings to get the final/published figure. but NO book or chart will completely replace working a sample, There's so much more to a thread than just the thickness. Direction and firmness of spinning, fibre content and various treatments that the fibres may or may not have had during the thread manufacturing process. So, particularly if you are about to start a large project, even if you have bought a pattern and the recommended thread, please take an hour or so to work a small sample of something like a cloth stitch diamond and a little ground; this you can unpin and have a sample to handle as well as seeing what it looks like, to decide if it is the right thread for you, Jane Atkinson's new book 'Contemporary Lace for You' has a very simple diamond and ground pricking in graded sizes from 3mm between foot edge pins to 10 mm between pins which she uses for sampling threads. It is surprising sometimes just how much variation in the density of pinholes some threads can take. There will always be an optimum pin density for any given thread, but spread the pinholes out for a lighter airier look and crowd them in for a heavier, denser appearance. Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
