Re: [lace] more questions...
At 10:38 PM 4/17/2004, you wrote: Doris Southard in her Lessons in Bobbin Lacemaking mentions two different methods of handling the bobbins: palms up and palms dowm. Could someone explain to me what they look like or what the difference is? Weronika Hi Weronika, Palms up is the position of the hands that can be used when working on a bolster pillow. Since the bobbins hang down off the side of the large cylindrical pillow, the order of actually making the lace stitches ends with a cross and then the pin. Therefore cloth or linen stitch is twist, cross, twist, cross (TCTC) and Torchon Ground in TC pin TC. The work is essentially in the hands held in the air. This means that you can see that the threads are not crossed in a glance when it comes time to pick up any given pair again, and that you don't have to spend your time untwisting and re-twisting pairs because you can't be sure if the right number of twists are on the pairs since pairs in the right position are simply never twisted. (There can be a lot of unintentional movement when the pairs hang down.) Palms down is the position of the hands that is usually used on a flat lace pillow (which for this discussion includes roller pillows). Ordinarily, when working in this position, the order of making stitches is to end the stitches with one or more twists after placing the pin. So cloth or linen stitch becomes CTCT and Torchon Ground is CT pin CT. The twists stay in place because the bobbins lie on the surface of the pillow and are much less prone to untwisting. In the palms down method, you simply move the bobbins, but don't hold them in your hands to make the stitches. There has been some discussion that palms up can relieve repetitive motion problems for some people. Palms up allows the lacemaker to work standing up, which could have some ergonomic benefits also, since lacemakers tend to hunch their shoulders a lot. While the CTCT stitch order makes sense for palms down, there is nothing to prevent using the TCTC stitch order with palms down. So, palms up/down is separate but not unrelated to stitch order. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: beginner in California
Gentle Spiders, I'm up to my er... elbows? in family visitors, logged on only to read, not to yammer, but couldn't resist a Weronika with a W in front -- alll my bells rang at once, when I saw that name :) On Apr 17, 2004, at 23:05, Weronika Patena wrote: I just started doing bobbin lace about a month ago - lots of fun. I live in Pasadena, CA, and I'll be staying in Palo Alto, CA over the summer - are there any lacemakers/events around either of those places? Are there ever :) My son lives in Palo Alto (alas, he makes no lace), so I know that Cathy Bellevile herself lives around the corner, in Los Altos. Patty Dowden (a frequent flier on Arachne, though not possessed of a mouth as big as mine... Doubt *anyone is* g) is in the Bay Area. As is Elaine Merritt (though she's about to leave for her European half of the year). And Paula Harten... And those are only the people I *know* in the area... There are at least two active lace groups in the Bay Area but your best bet would be the Lace Guild at The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale; http://www.thelacemuseum.org/ Anyone you make contact with there will be happy to clue you in for the lacemaking scene in the area. Good luck, and a heartfelt welcome to Arachne from another displaced Pole (well, I'm only a half-Pole, but still g) I grew up in a town called Bobowa in Poland, which is known for bobbin lacemaking Yes, well... I'll be happy to discuss that statement next time I come to visit my son... :) In '01, I and 2 lacemaking friends (one from US and one fom Denmark) tried to make contact with lacemakers in Bobowa... We went as far as Krakow, and we wasted a lot of time and money trying to make a telephone contact with someone/anyone sufficiently in charge/awake to make it possible and a further trip worth while... I left Poland in Dec of '72 and have not, *ever*, in all the years since, had an equally frustrating experience... And that includes trying to get a Pole living abroad passport out of the communist authorities, who claimed that being married to an American citizen was a spurious and flimsy excuse, not even worth being called an argument. So, my contention is that Bobowa may be known, but against its collective will :) I can't get the arachne mailing list handbook from the website for some reason, so sorry if I break any rules - is there anything I really need to know? Probably not but, if you're really curious... Look at the tag which is attached at the end of *every message* posted on lace (and lace-chat); it contains the e-address of of the moderator. Sounds very lofty, but, in essence, it's a mama, help! address... :) Try it. Re: beads in lace: I've seen beads in wire jewelry pieces, and I tried to put some on my linen pieces - is this sort of thing done at all, or am I committing sacrilege of some sort? ;-) Even the Lace Police (a non-existent body, similiar to monsters under the bed which keeps all of us entertained) stopped objecting to those when Bridget Cook included several methods of adding them in her book (Practical Skills in Bobbin Lacemaking) The book itself is, apparently, out of print and no longer avvailable for purchase but, if you join IOLI (essentially, a US Lace Guild), you can borrow it. To join IOLI, go to: http://www.internationaloldlacers.org/ (and don't forget to tell them I sent you VBG) And how do you do it, for either wire or linen? Sometimes it's the same way; sometimes you have to make allowances for wire that you don't have to make for other threads. I'm hoping to, at least touch on the differences of (in? between??? it's the prepositions that kill me, even 47 years down the road) working in wire and working in less rigid threads. In IOLI Bulletin, Fall '04 (second in the series of articles/patterns of Windroses) I tried putting them on a pair in the same way that's used for sewings, but then of course I have thread on the sides. That's one of the standard ways of adding beads. And there's nothing wrong with having threads standing guard each side of a bead, but you *can* hide the join within the bead. Or you can string the beads on a thread (if you know, ahead of time, wich one will do the bead duty)... There are ways, and there are ways, and a lot of them are described in The Cook Book (that is, Bridget Cook's Practical Skills)... I'm an autodidact (love that term g) when it comes to lacemaking and, for the first 5-10 yrs, there was never a question I had that wasn't answered by looking *closely at The Cook Book I tried adding a single bobbin with beads on it to the normal bobbins and moving it around the pattern to where I want the beads to be, but it's hard to do if I want beads in different sections of the lace which are made about at the same time If, after you had looked at The Cook Book, you're still clueless in Norhtern California (not that much different from sleepless in Seattle, IMO), write me, and I'll do my best to walk you through your
Re: [lace] Tina the Lacemaker
Such a nice story (at least so far :-)). Will you eventually have the whole story at once on your page or will you be taking away the old chapters when you add new ones. I will love to read it all. Ann-Marie http://community.webshots.com/user/annma1 I have published the first 6 chapters on my website and hope to continue as I have time. http://lace.lacefairy.com/Tina.html Thank you very much Lori for the story of Tina. I have been reading it during the Easter holidays, and I am looking forward to reading more: to see why is it that Tina makes bobbin lace so well Many greetings from Antje, Guadalajara, Spain. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: beginner in California
Weronika - VBG is very big grin.BG is big grin. DH is dear husband. DD - dear daughter. DS - dear son. Occasionally someone comes up with some other abbreviation, which has us all guessing till we crack the code!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) Weronika Patena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:And who's DH? Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] hands-up hands-down
Weronika, Tamara and other Spiders, The earlier discussion on the hands-up hands-down subject must have been before I joined Arachne. I switched to what appears for me to something between hands up/down what worked well for me. I show on my site how I use a cookie-pillow and overcame the problem of the bobbins all wanting to hang in the center due to gravity. http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/hang-EN.html http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/kant-EN.html I did not know by then of the kloepelkaemme used in eastern Europe for the same purpose. I added some examples between the german links on my site. Again laer I found another solution with wooden beads on cardboard: http://www.korki-4.de/kloeppeln/kloeppeln.html An advantage of the hands down system: the bobbins can dangle outside the pillow. So a cookie pillow need not to be very much bigger than the motiv. Lately I took it with me on a Nile cruise as it fitted in a suite case, and it wasn't even the biggest suitecase I've seen during the trip. Jo Falkink - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] bobowa
Weronika, So, my contention is that Bobowa may be known, but against its collective will :) Hmm. I can see that. The lacemakers are definitely there, there's even a school as far as I know, but I'm pretty sure they don't use computers... Don't be too sure: http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.bobowa.pl/koronki/* It is a pitty that this archive is like some of our cheese: it has lots of holes. Jo Falkink - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] New Pictures - Other lace - Tatting
Hi Steph, I have been to your site and have bookmarked the page and intend to go back and have a go later on when I have finished my piece of lace. I have too many projects on the go at the moment to concentrate on it properly. It never ceases to amaze me just how much information is collectively held by the arachneans on this list. Best Regards Jane Bawn Portchester UK Yes, my website has a section about the tatted Cluny leaves, including how to make them and a beginners project to use them. http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/tatting/clintro.htm - Steph Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: lace-digest V2004 #113
Hi Irene Looking forward to meeting you and others in Tonder, but I'm not taking part in any of the courses. greetings to all from Nickyin a rather wet Suffolk Who's going to the Tønder Lace Festival and what workshops are you taking? Counting the sleeps, Irene, Surrey, BC Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] bobowa
A google search gave this site. Only some text, but telling about lacemakers and lace-school. http://www.bobowa.powiat.gorlice.pl/gmina/nawigacja.html Under the heading: zdjecia you can see a collage of lacemakers and lace, alas very small Ank - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] bobowa
http://www.knipling.de/eu/eu-pl.html This site is showing more Bobowas laces. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.republika.pl/kayra_ksl/large/02_Polska_Bobowa.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.republika.pl/kayra_ksl/h=543w=800sz=95tbnid=4QHcf-6c58EJ:tbnh=96tbnw=141prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbobowa%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN and more, even with tsjech laces [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Ank van der Leek.vcf] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: beginner in California
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I'll be coming back to US July 22 and, being an elderly lady, And since when have you been elderly, Tamara? You're not the dowager duchess yet :-))) (oh dear, I suppose we have quite a few new arachnes to explain your title to, so much happens on the list in nine years!) -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Rose Libre
Hi Cathy Your new lace looks wonderful - just wish I was close enough to take the class with you! I learned so much from you in Victoria and look forward *someday* to another opportunity. I'm making plans to attend the IOLI when it is to be held in Montreal so hopefully, you will be there teaching your new lace. Are you planning to produce a book? I love my Chrysanthemum Lace book!! Thanks for the sneak peek on your website. Jane Dobinson in sunny Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [lace] Re: beginner in California
- Original Message - From: Weronika Patena [EMAIL PROTECTED] really means. Similarly, I don't know what a slip knot and a square knot is, and a whole lot of other stuff in lacemaking materials... I couldn't find a website showing a slip knot, but a square knot is the same as a reef knot and this webpage shows you how to tie them http://www.mistral.co.uk/42brghtn/knots/42ktreef.html Sue Babbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Beginner in California - Slip knot
Diagram and instructions for making a slip knot to join a broken thread are shown very clearly on: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/1404/weavknot.gif Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: I'm new here
Hello to All, I've been lurking for a couple of weeks now, and thought it was time to introduce myself. I'm Mary. I live in Nebraska the center-most state of the continental USA. I was following the thread this a.m. about the methods of using bobbins. I was pretty confused about that, and wondering if not picking up the bobbins was a purely newby way to do it. Ah, I feel so much better knowing that it's not. I hope that I'll learn enough soon to be able to contribute to the list. Well, thanks for letting me join. Mary _ Check out MSN PC Safety Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Stretchy fibre question - OT-ish
Dear Spiders, Can someone recommend a thread which has a bit of stretch but will hold a knot - I'm thinking probably rayon or silk - for an interim orthodontic repair? Thanks, Debra (in Mozambique) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Doris Southard's book
Hello everyone! Tamara mentioned that Doris teaches the open (TCTC) method whereas most other introductory lacemaking books teach the closed (CTCT) method. I must first say that Doris is a member of our local lace guild and so we have a special place for her in our heart. It's not surprising that we use her book when teaching new students. Such was the case a few years ago when I decided to take a bobbin lace class and found the group. However, a couple years prior to that I had taken my very first lace class which taught CTCT. I had a hard time making the adjustment to Doris' book with it's TCTC method. I liked her step-by-step teaching method and think it is one of the easiest books for teaching yourself lace. I decided to stick with my CTCT method and made the necessary adjustments to her lessons by taking out a twist here and adding it back there. I soon realized that because I was able to do this I actually knew what I was doing!!! I was a lacemaker! Whenever I recommend introductory lacemaking books to a beginner I always mention that while Doris' book has very detailed instructions, she uses a method that is likely to be different from the other books. But if you can figure out how to interpret the instructions and transistion from one book to another then that is a sign that you understand what you are doing. I also firmly believe that every beginnning lace maker should not limit herself to a single book, but 2 or 3. Each book (Stott, Cook, Nottingham, Shepherd) has useful information not found in the other books. Sometimes it is also helpful to have the same information presented in a different style. In addition to Doris Southard's book, my favorite beginning book is Introduction to Bobbin Lacemaking by Rosemary Shepherd. I like the detail in her diagrams. I believe this book is back in print again from the author. Anita Hansen Cedar Rapids, Iowa _ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Tina the Lacemaker
When I have time to add more pages I will keep up the old ones too. I will put the new pages on a separate webpage for those who are printing them. Lori the Lacefairy -Original Message- Such a nice story (at least so far :-)). Will you eventually have the whole story at once on your page or will you be taking away the old chapters when you add new ones. I will love to read it all. Ann-Marie I have published the first 6 chapters on my website and hope to continue as I have time. http://lace.lacefairy.com/Tina.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: beginner in California
Dear Tamara What a wonderful welcoming letter you wrote to newcomer Weronika! I could not let it pass without a word of thanks. I'm sure we all (Polish and non-Polish) felt somehow welcomed too.Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: more questions
Weronika, I haven't looked at Southard for years, but I'm guessing she means that as you hold the bobbins, your palms either face down or they face up. I think some of the different continental regions make their lace palms up, so the bobbins rest in the hand and appear to be juggled (that's how it looks to me, and fascinates me when I see someone working that way :-) ) where as the English and their kin work palms down, so the bobbins are suspended between the fingers. We tend to do more picking up and putting down of bobbins perhaps, as we tend to work each stitch on the pillow, rather than in the hand like the continental method. I've never worked palm up - I'm a palm down person. There's no right or wrong way - just how you feel comfortable, and I can't say for sure, but it may also have a little something to do with the type of bobbins you use - East Midlands with the spangles or continental (without spangles). I'm sure there are others out there in Lace Land who can add more. Cheers, Helen, Aussie living in breezy Denver - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] bobowa
Just a note of thanks for all the wonderful links to lace sent in by Ank and so many others. I've never wished so much to read other languages, as I have since joining arachne. :-) Nova (on the west coast of Canada) - Original Message - From: Ank van der Leek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 4:55 AM Subject: [lace] bobowa - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Palms up/palms down
I work palms down with spangled bobbins because I actually pick the bobbins up by the spangles. Not a recognised way of doing it, I know, but having RA, I can work longer that way than if I handle the actual bobbins. There are no 'lace police' around, and, even if there were, I'd still continue to 'break the law' to be able to continue lacemaking. I also work CTCT (starting left over right) because I like to have the threads crossed when I've finished a half stitch so I can immediately see whether a pair is in half stitch or whole stitch (or whatever else you want to call it - linen stitch, cloth stitch) 'mode', rather than all pairs hanging parallel. Doesn't help, of course, if I add a final twist to a pair in whichever stitch. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] beginner -- Southard book
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2004, you wrote: I just started doing bobbin lace about a month ago - I'm currently just learning from a book, Lessons in Lacemaking by Doris Southard was recommended to me as a good basic book does anyone have any experience with this one? The subject of beginning books came up recently, and I wrote up my comments on the BL methods, and Doris' book which were then sent just to the member. With the subject emerging again, I fetched it out of my files and am sending it to the list. Hopefully, this will help other beginners when they use this book. -- Welcome to Arachne and lacemaking. This is personal opinion. I'll say that right up front. Doris's book was a stalwart edition when it came out. There was almost nothing available at the time. Hundreds/thousands of people learned about lacemaking from her book. It has an excellent beginning section that tells about the history, equipment, bobbins, pillows, winding, and so forth. It's only with the actual working instructions that you must know a few facts. There are two basic sets of terminology for lace stitches -- English and Continental. Doris learned and uses the Continental forms. She also uses the term 'throw' for 'stitch'. I don't know of any other book that does that. Terminology is a fluid subject that is always changing. What we call something today may be renamed tomorrow. Most of the English language books these days use the English forms. These days, I think it is easier to progress if the English method is learned here in the USA. However, if you are flexible, you can do just fine learning the basics from this book, and then transferring to the other terminology later on when you are familiar with the 3 basic stitch motions. There's probably a dozen beginning books around. Check them out on the webpages. Get more than one. You'll pick up different hints and suggestions in each one. Later, when you use a new book, always check the front or back of the book to check the terms used by that author. Some people use different markings or abbreviations than other people. Summary of the two methods: C = crossT = twist English Continental half stitch CT half stitch TC whole stitch CTC linen stitch (cloth stitch) CTC double stitch (or wholewhole stitch TCTC stitch with an extra twist)CTCT Also called Open Method Also called Closed Method Closed and Open refer to how the threads look at the end of the half and double stitches. Open has the two threads hanging down parallel. Closed has the threads twisted (right over left thread). It doesn't matter which method is used as long as a person is consistent. The finished lace usually looks exactly the same with both methods. There are times when an extra twist is added. The English will add T at the start of a section, then do CTCTCT etc. The continental method starts with a twist, so they add the twist at the end of the section. TCTCTC, then add a T. Thus, the finished half stitch sections both start and end with a T, no matter which method was used. We have to thank Doris Southard for encouraging lacemaking in this country. Without her efforts and her courage to write that book, lacemaking would not have progressed to where it is now in this country. If you have a question, just ask. Someone on Arachne will have an answer. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Book
'Lace from the Victoria and Albert Museum' is now available. My copy arrived an Friday. It is absolutely stunning, and available from their website. www.vandashop.co.uk Edith North Nottinghamshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace from the Victoria and Albert Museum
In a message dated 4/18/04 4:38:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'Lace from the Victoria and Albert Museum' is now available. My copy arrived an Friday. It is absolutely stunning, and available from their website. www.vandashop.co.uk Dear American Lacemakers, This is reassuring to know! My local bookshop owner first told me about this book on December 12th. As I recall, she told me the book was being published also in the U.S. - and would be available here in May. So, if it is easier for you, you could advance order it on this side of the Atlantic. The author is Clare Browne, who is on the staff of the V A. Anything from their collections and presses promises to be good. Not having seen anything about this book on Arachne by January (and not seeing it at that time on the V A's list of forthcoming publications) I made an inquiry to that esteemed museum and verified that the book was, indeed, forthcoming. Information about it was sent from here to a member of The Lace Guild (England), so they might be able to get an advance copy and review it in a timely manner. This has been done, and the review will appear - probably in the next issue of The Lace Guild's bulletin - per the recent advisory to us from Jean Leader. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] beads in lace?
On 18 Apr 2004, at 05:27, Weronika Patena wrote: I've seen beads in wire jewelry pieces, and I tried to put some on my linen pieces - is this sort of thing done at all, or am I committing sacrilege of some sort? ;-) Of course not. If you want beads in your lace put them there. And how do you do it, for either wire or linen? I tried putting them on a pair in the same way that's used for sewings, but then of course I have thread on the sides. I tried adding a single bobbin with beads on it to the normal bobbins and moving it around the pattern to where I want the beads to be, but it's hard to do if I want beads in different sections of the lace which are made about at the same time - hard to get the bead bobbin across to them. Are there any good methods for this? The usual way of adding beads to BL is with a sewing. You either need a crochet hook fine enough to pass through the hole in the bead or you can use a lazy susan. Either way, when you get to where you want the bead to go you pull a *pair* of threads through the bead and pass the adjascent pair through the loop and tension. That works well if you want the bead to be at a pinhole - if you want it to be in the middle of an area of cloth or half stitch you would use two single adjascent passive threads. Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Stretchy fibre question - OT-ish
On 16 Apr 2004, at 16:30, Debra Hilton wrote: Can someone recommend a thread which has a bit of stretch but will hold a knot - I'm thinking probably rayon or silk - for an interim orthodontic repair? An interim orthodontic repair! Do you mean that you need to tie some dentures together temporarily? What about superglue (cyanoacrylate) or araldite (epoxy resin)? A bit of stretch suggests a synthetic thread of some sort - though I'd suggest nylon or polyester rather than rayon. Also a synthetic would be less absorbent than silk. I've no experience of using thread for orthodontic repair, but I'd guess - and it is only a guess - that a filament thread rather than a spun thread would be better, though the knot would be more difficult. Probably the best bet would be dental floss. Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Stretchy fibre question - OT-ish
As someone who has tried superglue as a material for denture repair, it's not to be recommended - the repair keeps breaking down as, apparently, superglue is water-soluble! Ann in Manchester, UK - Original Message - From: Brenda Paternoster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debra Hilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Stretchy fibre question - OT-ish On 16 Apr 2004, at 16:30, Debra Hilton wrote: Can someone recommend a thread which has a bit of stretch but will hold a knot - I'm thinking probably rayon or silk - for an interim orthodontic repair? An interim orthodontic repair! Do you mean that you need to tie some dentures together temporarily? What about superglue (cyanoacrylate) or araldite (epoxy resin)? help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Adding beads to lace
Hi Weronica and orther newbies and welcome, You have had lots of answers to your questions on hands up or hands down, etc, but not much on beads unless you have the Cook book. I had a problem with a design where I wanted to add beads but not have the threads around the outside of the beads when sewing them in. My design was a tape lace and my solution was to look at the pattern and see where I wanted to add a bead in the spaces between the tapes. When I reached that pinhole on the first pass of the tape, I added a bead by pulling a worker thread loop through the bead and pinned it in position with a glass headed pin to where the next tape was going to be, and then going on my merry way with the tape. When my tape turned around and I reached the glasshead pin, I did a sewing with my crochet hook through the loop being held by that glasshead pin, tensioned everything and went back to my tape. The glassheaded pin was there to remind me to make that sewing, which made up for the inconvenience of having such a pin in the way as I made the tape towards it. The glassheaded pin was replaced by a regular pin and then used further up on the pattern. Cl ear as mud? My attempt at asci art showing tape , - worker, (-) bead, o glasshead pin l -(-)-o l-(-)-l tape, bead, tape Janice Blair Crystal Lake, IL where it almost reached 90Ftoday but back down in temperature tomorrow catching the spring flowers by surprise. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Welcome and anniversary
Hi All, Welcome to Mary and Weronika and all other new comers! And Happy Anniversary to all too! I think I joined the first summer of arachne and I've learned so much, lots about all kinds of lace but also about life in other parts of the world. Despite the differences we're more similar than we are different. You've all added so much to my life. Thanks! Jane in Vermont, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace stitches
Hi Aurelia and all, I have been looking in de Dillmont! I used to forget about the books I already have, especially those like de Dillmont that I bought before getting into lace, but now I check my library first. Another good one is Mrs. Treadwin's Antique Point and Honiton Lace, a book published in 1874 and (my copy) reprinted by Lacet Publications in 1994 ISBN 1-874688-05-2. I also will look in Encyclopedia of Victorian Needlework by S.F.A. Caufield in two volumes. My copy is a Dover reprint from 1972, ISBN 0-486-22800-2 That book has some stitches but they're listed separately so it will take some looking to see if there are any new ones. I started with some original magazines I have c. 1900 when Battenberg/tape lace was most popular in the US. And after you wrote Aurelia, I thought of looking in some embroidery stitch books that I have - more stitches for Needle lace! Thanks! Jane in Vermont, USA where the warm rain will help bring out the green grass and tiny leaves G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] beads
Weronika I've used amethyst nuggets in a lace I made. I wanted the beads to lie in the position where double thread picots would be on the outside edge of a tape. So I calculated which pairs might take turns as weavers, since those are the ones that would make picots. And I just strung beads onto all those potential weavers as I wound the bobbins. When a necessary weaver bobbin ran out of beads, I just figured out a way to make a deliberate but non-obvious mistake to switch the beadless bobbin with one that still had a lot of beads left. In most laces it is possible to calculate which pairs may serve as weavers. In a tape lace this also includes passive pairs, the 2nd from the left and the 2nd from the right. (If the tape uses turning stitch, these two passives interchange with the weavers.) Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Unsubscribing
I will be unsubscribing Lace and Lace-chat later tonight. My dear friend from Chesham, Bucks is arriving tomorrow and we shall collect her at Dulles Airport near Washington, DC. She is here only for 10 days, and I'll be back on the lists after she leaves. I'll be reading private messages, though. Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bobowa lace again
Again Bobowa. Now you can even write or phone. townname address Ville Nom Adresse Contact Bobowa Centrum Kultury i Promocji Gminy Stowarzyszenie Tworczosci Regionalnej 38-350 Bobowej Ewa Szipla Tel. : 00 48 (0)18 351 40 13 Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Ank van der Leek.vcf] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bobowa lace again
Again Bobowa. Now you can even write or phone. townname address Ville Nom Adresse Contact Bobowa Centrum Kultury i Promocji Gminy Stowarzyszenie Tworczosci Regionalnej 38-350 Bobowej Ewa Szipla Tel. : 00 48 (0)18 351 40 13 Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.katbb.org.pl/wyroby/koron.htm some laces and addresses http://bobowa.net/ http://www.wrotamalopolski.pl/root_Kultura/Wydarzenia/Kalendarium/koronka+klockowa.htm there seems to be a lace-festival as well. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] costume help
There were spectacles in the 1200's - small, round things. If yours are the typical European small ones (rather than my huge ones to allow for the gradient bifocals!), you aren't really all that badly off. -- -- Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Michigan To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :-) Just for fun
A young man excitedly tells his mother he's fallen in love and is going to get married. He says, Just for fun, Ma, I'm going to bring over 2 other female friends in addition to my fiancée and you try and guess which one I'm going to marry. The next day, he brings 3 beautiful women into the house and sits them down on the couch and they chat for a while. He then says, Okay, Ma. Guess which one I'm going to marry. She immediately replies, The red-head in the middle. That's amazing, Ma. You're right, how did you know? I don't like her. Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :-) Dead? Cancel your credit cards
This is supposed to have actually happened: Motto: Be sure and cancel your credit cards before you die. My Aunt died this past January. Citi Bank billed her for February and March for their monthly service charge on her credit card, and then added Late fees and interest on the monthly charge...the balance had been $0.00... now was somewhere around $60.00). I placed the following phone call to CitiBank: Me: I am calling to tell you that she died in January. CitiBank: The account was never closed and the late fees and charges still Apply. Me: Maybe, you should turn it over to collections... CitiBank: Since it is 2 months past due, it already has been. Me: So, what will they do when they find out she is dead? CitiBank: Either report her account to the frauds division, or report her To the credit bureau...maybe both! Me: Do you think God will be mad at her? CitiBank:...excuse me? Me: Did you just get what I was telling you the part about her being Dead? CitiBank: Sir, you'll have to speak to my supervisor! (Supervisor gets on the phone) Me: ''I'm calling to tell you, she died in January. CitiBank: The account was never closed and the late fees and charges still Apply. Me: You mean you want to collect from her estate? CitiBank: .(stammer) Are you her lawyer? Me: No, I'm her great nephew. (Lawyer info given... ) CitiBank: Could you fax us a certificate of death? Me: Sure. ( Fax number is given )( After they get the fax. ) CitiBank: Our system just isn't setup for death... Me: Oh... CitiBank: I don't know what more I can do to help... Me: Well... if you figure it out, great! If not, you could just keep billing her...I suppose...don't really think she will care CitiBank: Well...the late fees and charges do still apply. Me: 'Would you like her new billing address? CitiBank: That might help. Me: ( Odessa Memorial Cemetery Hwy 129 and plot number given.) CitiBank: Sir, that's a cemetery! Me: What do you do with dead people on your planet ?!! Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] :-) Dead? Cancel your credit cards
On 18 Apr 2004, at 21:01, Jean Nathan wrote: Me: 'Would you like her new billing address? CitiBank: That might help. Me: ( Odessa Memorial Cemetery Hwy 129 and plot number given.) CitiBank: Sir, that's a cemetery! Me: What do you do with dead people on your planet ?!! Sounds a bit like the real-life experience I had with British Gas! After MIL died the gas supply on her bungalow was transferred to DH, but somehow a couple of years later, letters arrived at our address but addressed to MIL. I wrote and explained the error and they wrote back and said that their records had been amended; then two days later another letter addressed to MIL arrived, the content of which started by thanking her for her recent correspondence. I wrote back saying that if she had really contacted them recently then would they please reply to her at her current address in Chalk churchyard. We haven't received any more letters from them addressed to MIL. Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Trip to Aus
I'd be interested in knowing that as well as I will be in the Gold Coast the third week of May. Lynn Scott, Wollongong, Australia To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Lace day -- I am a winner!
Lace Day Report Yesterday was Volcano Lacemakers' Lace Day in Vancouver, Washington. It was a lovely spring day. We met at a large place out in the country with friendly lacemakers, Catchpin Supplies, Robin and Russ, and lots of great food. Some antique lace was on display, and enough goodies to buy to use up all the money in our pockets. (Most of us have a chance to shop 'in person' only once or twice a year. We have to look through everything.) In between all the shopping, talking, eating, and looking, I actually made one square inch of lace. Then -- door prizes and raffle winnings were given out. My door prize was a heart shaped pincushion in burgundy with tatting around it and a cluster of flowers including two made of BL petals. THEN THE FINALE I WON THE BIG PRIZE !!! Drum roll. A ROLLER PILLOW!It's 24 wide and 15 deep with a 10 roller. It's covered in lovely green fabric. The roller has a rachet control, and the support structure has a storage drawer for supplies. The bobbin surface is broad enough to support a lot of bobbins, allowing for a wide edging to be made. Now...I have to choose the initiation pattern to put on it. What a dilemma. G Thanks to the wonderful lacemaker who hand made this pillow and donated it to the Lace Day! It really topped off a very nice day. Thank you also to the lacemaker who owns the Pavilion where the Lace Day was held. (Even the husbands had fun because the grounds contained antique engines and farm equipment.) And then the day was over, everything packed up, and we went home. Just wanted to brag a bit! Now I get to go read my new books, and think about patterns. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Unsubscribing
I will be unsubscribing Lace and Lace-chat later tonight. My dear friend from Chesham, Bucks is arriving tomorrow and we shall collect her at Dulles Airport near Washington, DC. She is here only for 10 days, and I'll be back on the lists after she leaves. I'll be reading private messages, though. Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
