[lace-chat] Donating/perception of Katrina
Sharon wrote: Our company of 600 employees expects to raise and donate $10,000 for Katrina. Social groups and churches are donating. You just dont hear about it. As I said previously in response to Ricki's statement - this is in the US and we are hearing about it. There's *nothing* happening in the UK at all. For the tsunami relief, people here were chucking money in buckets, holding all sorts of events and donating to all sorts of charities over several weeks. For this, there's nothing *in the UK*. Also as I said before, whatever the truth, the *perception* is that the relief efforts were at best chaotic, people were left to suffer (especially the black and poor), dead bodies are being left to rot (so life is cheap). This is the *perception*. When asked why the people of the UK haven't reacted in the same way as we did to the tsunami, an ordinary person in the street interviewed on TV a couple of days ago summed up the *perception*: It's not the same thing, the tsunami victims were from a poor country; the US is rich and powerful; it's spending huge amounts of money on Iraq so it doesn't need donations from us; if it can mobilise troops for that, it's obviously got enough people to help itself; disgust at the way it seems that the poor and black couldn't get out before the hurricane hit, but the well-off could; how come reporters were on the scene, but it was supposed to be so difficult for relief to get through?; why were people left in the stadium with insufficient sanitary facitilites, without food and water for so long? - This is the *perception*. Naturally reporters will latch on to the sensational, but if it wasn't there they couldn't report it. It doesn't matter how much you say on chat individually, you can't alter the *perception* people generally here have of what happened until the media report events in a better light. Someone who lived in New Orleans until last year, and now lives here in Dorset, said on local radio this morning: Why didn't George Bush put on his jeans and wellies when he went to see the area instead of wearing his immaculate business suit? That would have done just a little to improve the image to the rest of the world in this disaster. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Donating/perception of Katrina
Often, he gets his picture taken at his ranch using a chainsaw. He should have gotten off the plane, equipped with his saw and immediately gone to work. At least we saw a picture of Laura serving food to evacuees. Anne in Austin Tx - Original Message - From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chat lace-chat@arachne.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 2:51 AM Subject: [lace-chat] Donating/perception of Katrina Someone who lived in New Orleans until last year, and now lives here in Dorset, said on local radio this morning: Why didn't George Bush put on his jeans and wellies when he went to see the area instead of wearing his immaculate business suit? That would have done just a little to improve the image to the rest of the world in this disaster. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Disappearing Aborignal Languages
Dear Jen, A language expires on average every two years in Australia, and every fortnight worldwide. Of the 250-odd Aboriginal languages (comprising up to 700 dialects) spoken at the time of colonisation, each as different from the other as English and Dutch, some 55 have already gone, and the rate of extinction has never been higher. When I studied Aboriginal linguistics back in 1981, I learned all about those stats. However, I'm sure that many more than 55 have already gone. One of the main functions of our studies was to firstly learn the various phonetics in order to simply get languages recorded and transcribed accurately BEFORE they were lost. One of the most interesting aspects of Aborignal languages I found, was that there are actually 23 families of those languages - that is as distinct as Teutonic, Romantic and Slavic languages. However, if you draw a line from Cairns in Nth Queensland due west across to the Kimberleys, 22 of those families are NORTH of that line. The one huge family south of that line which covers more than 3/4 of Australia is known as the Pama Nyungan family. Another little tid-bit I recall having a great deal of fun with was the fact that there was only one language which had anything at all like our S sound. That is a Daly River group (possibly Malak Malak) but to say it you had to curl your tongue backwards and then blow! Try it - you may have heard it before. Of course, none of them had an F sound, and I shall never forget dear old Mr. GRIFFIN who taught for many years at Maningrida, NT. He was determined to get his Grade 6 kids to be able to say and F and not just substitute a P as they done for generations. How proud he was when by the 3rd term they could do it. Then after school had broken up for Christmas and he was doing the big clean up prior to being transferred in to Darwin, to his horror he found some large sprayed graffiti in the boys dunny which said Mitta Grippin's got a big frick! David in Ballarat -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/94 - Release Date: 9/09/05 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Katrina devastaion
Dear David, The devastation left in Katrina's wake stretches over 90,000 square miles (144,834 square kilometers) United Kingdom: 93,788 square miles (242,910 square kilometers) England: 50,356 square miles (130,423 square kilometers) New Orleans has a land area of 197 square miles. How big is Darwin? And did they have to contend with up to 25 feet of water all over everything? Did some of those in need of rescue shoot at their rescuers? Did they shoot at the helicopters? Did the bus drivers driving buses into Darwin to rescue people get hijacked and the busses stolen from them? That's what happened in New Orleans. Not to say that you all didn't do a marvelous job dealing with that disaster, but just how closely does it really compare to Katrina? Many people keep referring to New Orleans as if it was the only place devastated - do you realize that New Orleans is .2% - that is point two percent - of the total area of devastation? That leaves 89,803 square miles that had people and businesses family farms and everything else that New Orleans had. And no reports of any one shooting at rescuers or hijacking the buses that came to rescue them in Biloxi, Mississippi. Or any where else. What was in the minds of those people I don't know, and neither did Governor Blanco when she bemoaned their behavior at a news conference - that CNN played once as far as I saw. No repeating of that news clip over and over. The police refused to go out and try to rescue any more people - they were holed up trying to defend their stations. Those officers that lived through the hurricane anyway. You said - Yes that's right. But here in Australia you will find that it's the ordinary people who are on hand who time and time again seem to display an inordinate sense of morality, duty and care. They simply do not wait for the official folk but get stuck in immediately and get things moving in the right direction. Well, David, just who do you think was first on the scenes helping before the National Guards got there and are still there. Doctors, nurses, firemen, police officers, and people who just had muscle to use, willing to do anything, and yes the hams too, from all over the country went there.Do you really think elsewhere, besides New Orleans where you were liable to get shot for helping, - that no one was doing anything? The volunteers were spread out over the rest of the area which was as I said before, 89,803 Square Miles. Those that could went there. Those that couldn't, have helped in other ways - from donating goods, money, taking people into their homes, you name it has been done. Too bad the news media doesn't cover that aspect a little more fully. Best Regards, Carol Melton, Litchfield Park, AZ - USA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Katrina
Hi All, I can't quite follow all the discussion since I read things out of order. I am very interested to know the perception from other countries. Though I think George W. putting on his wellies and giving a hand when he went to see the areas that were hit by the hurricane would have done a lot to earn respect in my eyes! When I heard of other countries offering help I was quite touched. I thought W. had alienated most countries and it was wonderful to find out that wasn't so. We are all on this earth together! I do hope the government can find enough humility to accept some of the help! I also am surprised about the slow response but I don't know anything about being in a devastating situation like that. It does seem that the evacuation plan for New Orleans didn't include the flooding that came after the hurricane hit. They've had boxes out for donations in Brattleboro and sent three trucks of stuff. Don't know where it went, I'm sure someone got an address so it can be distributed. I saw the notice as I went into the store and was pondering the fact that if you have no heat source soup wouldn't be any help (there are pop-tops on the soup cans here now). There was a list by the collection box though - water, batteries (I think), personal care products, energy/granola bars, pet food and a few other things. I stuck in a couple cans of cat food. Jane in Vermont, USA where summer has returned for a few days! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Reports on Katrina not from the UK
A lot of the reports I've been getting about Katrina and its aftermath have come from a friend in the US who has been forwarding messages from his son at the Tulane Hospital on the problems they had up to their final evacuation from the roof by helicopter to Layfette on 2nd September, as well as reports from several US newspapers, including the New York Times. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Donating/perception of Katrina
On Sep 12, 2005, at 3:51, Jean Nathan wrote: Someone who lived in New Orleans until last year, and now lives here in Dorset, said on local radio this morning: Why didn't George Bush put on his jeans and wellies when he went to see the area instead of wearing his immaculate business suit? That would have done just a little to improve the image to the rest of the world in this disaster. Because nobody handed him the right cue in time; that's why :) According to a NYTimes article (Gulf Coast Isn't the Only Thing left in Tatters; Bush's Status With Blacks Takes a Hit) today, it took a call from one of Mr Bush's prominent African-American supporters to make our top executive (or his team) realise that standing next to the Gov of Alabama and the Gov of Mississippi (both white, Republican males) and praising them for a job well done on his first trip to the area, Sept 2 wasn't doing his image much good. The man (name witheld) is quoted: I said, 'Grab some black people who look like they might be preachers' [...] And, another quote, from the same article: Three days later, on Mr Bush's next trip to the region, the president appeared in Baton Rouge at the side of T.D. Jakes, the conservative African-American television evangelist [...] So, His Presidential Duh-ness *can* learn, but it takes time and prompting. On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:12, Anne Toney wrote: Often, he gets his picture taken at his ranch using a chainsaw. He should have gotten off the plane, equipped with his saw and immediately gone to work. Heck, he could have auctioned off his golf clubs and the bike he rode when with Lance Armstrong, and they'd have brought *thousands* of dollars in relief - probably more use than a photo-op with the chainsaw... At least we saw a picture of Laura serving food to evacuees. And we also heard Mama B dismissing those who're underpriviledged anyway, and lucky to have been crammed into a shelter (let them eat cake)... At least we now know that Duh-bya's disassociation from reality is a *genetic* trait, not something we can blame him for. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] red cross
many people on this list have already said what they feel about the red cross, and none of it was good. you may do a good job, but that does not mean the original office where the money is sent does not dip in the pot for themselves. you are also in the u.k.,and maybe they regulate your donations properly, but here in the u.s. it has been common knowledge they don't do squat, and I'm not sorry to say it. i don't feel i owe an apology to anyone. this list says anyone can share any thought or story they want. i just shared a story that was told to me by my mother. my mother is no lier, and i stand by her opinion. she is not the first to tell me stories about the red cross asking for way too much money for simple little things their recipients could find cheaper else where. congratulations on being such a nice person and doing a lot of nice work, but that does not mean i am lieing about what i am saying. from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace-chat] donating/perception of K.
i think they are showing better judgement by not giving money where no one is smart enough yet to know where to put it. there is no leadership involved in any decision so far, and it has costed lives and is slowing down the whole process of placing these people out of harms way. if you sent donations to the same people who originally planned this evacutation, then you need to think a little more clearly. it is nice to help, but if you don't know where is best to send your help, keep it to yourself until you have first hand information of what is best to do. --- Bev Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't matter how much you say on chat individually, you can't alter the *perception* people generally here have of what happened until the media report events in a better light. nor can we alter your bias, it seems. As well, you seem to want to believe the media without question. from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] donating/perception of K.
i don't think this is really a world wide issue. i know the u.s. has recieved a lot of condolences, but something like this even though it is large, is not large enough to be taking donations as far as other countries. our people should be better prepared and should be able to handle this. it did not make sense with all the big helicopters and ships and boats that could have been used and would have been used if they had correctly arranged it, why they weren't set and ready to go out, and why are they sitting around waiting for the right paperwork to come through before they get out and do what they knew to do already? they don't make any sense. there are still survivors scattered all over new orleans, so they are finding quite a few, but they are also riding by the same dead bodies over and over again and saying the same thing: we were told to only pick up living survivors. ok, but why not get another boat out there to pick of the bodies? did they run out of boats? they are along the coast where there are nothing but boats! did they run out of people to drive the boats? then they should say i need more boat drivers. you have no idea how many volunteers there would be if they knew what to ask for. if they are still having problems now, then they still don't know what to do. i can see why so many people over seas are complaining because we still haven't done it correctly. that is only my opinion, but i know if they would just ask, they would get what ever they ask. someone there doesn't know what to ask for. they just sent a bumbled attempt one after another, and everyone that touches it has messed it up. they don't know what to do. if this had happened in florida, there would be no question about it. they know what they are doing, but this area doesn't. it should, but for some reason they can't get it together. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2005 11:22:35 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hurricane tragedy isn't a national problem for the US in that it hasn't crippled the entire country - on a more global, economic level the hurricane damage will affect those countries who do business with, for instance, the oil refineries. from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Katrina devastaion
--- Carol Melton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How big is Darwin? And did they have to contend with up to 25 feet of water all over everything? Did some of those in need of rescue shoot at their rescuers? Did they shoot at the helicopters? Did the bus drivers driving buses into Darwin to rescue people get hijacked and the busses stolen from them? not defending anyone who shoots his or her rescuer, but i guess after they were left there to die, they didn't really care. i am definetly not complaining at all why the police would want to give up and walk away, but those are the drug lords that are probably waiting for their chance at the other citizens who can't get help either. i don't agree that the police department should have given up. they could have used force at that point, but they didn't. they stopped the whole rescue mission. that didn't make any sense. those other citizens who were waiting deserved at least that much that the officers would keep trying. at a news conference - that CNN played once as far as I saw. No repeating of that news clip over and over. The police refused to go out and try to rescue any more people - they were holed up trying to defend their stations. Those officers that lived through the hurricane anyway. the police department was lazy and stupid to do that. they are supposed to be trained police officers to defened their city. if they couldn't handle some street punks, then they didn't make themselves look any better by stopping their whole project and letting the other innocent victims die without help. the news media who is there watching and filming could also lend a hand while they are there instead of filming it. they want to prance around like a bunch of know-it-alls but not lift a hand other than show horrible pictures of rotting dead bodies to the world. i think they are as much to blame as any one else. from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] secret pal thanks!!
Dear Secret Pal in Belgium, Thank you very much for this months parcel. It was a nice surprise when I came home from work!!! I can't wait to start the bracelet, the colour is perfect, it goes with everything that I wear. I am going to use a translator I found on the internet to make sure I know what the instructions say. It will be fun to do. I will wear it and show it off at my next lace event. The beads on the divider pin are so pretty, I think I will use it as a pin on a jacket to start with. If I ever get short of a divider pin, I will know where there is an extra one. The card is lovely, the work that went into that project is unbelieveable. Thank you so much again for being such a great secret pal. Irene Whitham To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
