[lace-chat] Re: Names
My brother-in-laws family name is Gasser(German heritage and probably originally pronounced GAWsser). We joked every time my sister had a baby that she needs to call her daughter Ima Big Gasser. Love the Ima June Bugg name!! -- Mark, aka Tatman website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tat-man.net/blog Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html email: tat...@tat-man.net Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/tatmantats On 1/14/11 11:22 AM, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net wrote: One of my mother's childhood friends was the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Bugg. They named her Ima June. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
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Some years ago I belonged to a group with a member named Barry. She married a guy Mr. Berry so she was Barry Berry. I couldn't believe it at first, but it was legally her name. One of my best friends in school had the name D. Just one letter. Her parents couldn't agree on a name, and both choices started with D, so she became just D. It was also interesting that she and both parents all had the same birthday in early January. They had Christmas, then replaced all the Christmas gifts with birthday gifts under the tree. After the birthday celebration, they took the tree down and were done with birthdays for the year. Come to think of it, my friend was also the New Year's baby the year she was born. Alice in Oregon -- where my lace exhibit is hung and the grand opening is tomorrow. (I share the exhibit with a couple of painters.) The gallery wanted to have some pieces to sell so I put high prices on several pieces. I'm NOT expecting or planning to sell anything. G To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
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My grandmother said she grew up with a boy whose given names were Regus Patoff (don't know the surname). When asked where the name came from, the mother said she had seen it on a medicine bottle and liked the sound of it(from Reg.U.S. Pat.Off. = registered in the US Patent Office). Vicki in Maryland who had a friend whose last name was Mello...we used to say it was a shame her parents hadn't named her Marcia(-: To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Names
I think this was meant for the list -Original Message- From: Pam and David Dotson some...@eskimo.com To: Vicki Bradford twohappyb...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Jan 14, 2011 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Re: Names When I was growing up, there was a local family, named Locks, that named their daughter Goldie, with no middle name. To add insult to injury, she was even blonde. She ran off and married when she was 15. The marriage didn't last, but she kept the new name. Pam Dotson Everett, WA To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
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Oddly enough, although the external address by convention is Mr. and Mrs., I was taught on the inside greeting line to put the woman first, as in Mr. and Mrs. John Doe 123 First St. Anywhere, MI but Dear Sarah and John, From: Tamara P Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/31 Thu AM 12:27:23 EDT To: chat Arachne lace-chat@arachne.com Subject: [lace-chat] Re: names On Aug 30, 2006, at 13:28, Janice Blair wrote: When I write to married female friends I never use a title and much prefer just the plain name and I don't care if it upsets anyone, Send them on; won't upset me at all :) [...] but my Christmas cards always are addressed to Mr. Mrs followed by their last name. That's the Polish custom also, except... *Ladies first*... :) It's, always, Mrs and Mr X; never Mr and Mrs X... I didn't even realise how equal women were in Poland until I came here :) Of course, the equality was surface-deep. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message sent via RCNet webmail To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: names
On Aug 30, 2006, at 13:28, Janice Blair wrote: When I write to married female friends I never use a title and much prefer just the plain name and I don't care if it upsets anyone, Send them on; won't upset me at all :) [...] but my Christmas cards always are addressed to Mr. Mrs followed by their last name. That's the Polish custom also, except... *Ladies first*... :) It's, always, Mrs and Mr X; never Mr and Mrs X... I didn't even realise how equal women were in Poland until I came here :) Of course, the equality was surface-deep. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Names Titles
On Aug 25, 2006, at 17:07, Thurlow Weed wrote: Rosemary's post got me thinking a bit about my upbringing. I was discussing this thread with my mother by phone this morning, and she too, despised being addressed as Mrs Thurlow Weed. She had her own name, thank you very much. Precisely VBG. I got married in '73 and my husband expected me to use the Mrs Severn Duvall format, that being the custom. Doubtless, so that the same calling card can be used for all your generic wives said I, dripping sarcasm. He did try to explain about the widow's priviledge of reverting to her first name, but I was disinclined to wait; I had just gotten married, for love, and couldn't think of a more grisly idea than having to wait for his death before I could reclaim my identity. So I never used my predecessor's calling cards... As for titles... I grew up with several gradations of respect. Until I was 18, my Mother's friends (my father didn't seem to have any g) were addressed as Aunt Jane and Uncle George (while real aunts and uncles -- all on my father's side -- were addressed simply as Aunt and Uncle, though referred to as Aunt jane etc). All adults outside the immediate circle were addressed by Mrs (Pani) Smith and Mr (Pan) Jones if the surname was known (parents of friends, for example), and Mrs and Mr if it was a total stranger. But, once I was 18 -- and entitled to being pani myself -- things changed. Aunt Jane disappeared, being replaced by Jane -- that was done officially, at my 18th birthday party, where each of them in turn *offered me the priviledge of using their first name* (the older woman to a younger one). With the men it was a bit more awkward, because a man -- even an older one -- could not use a woman's first name without permisssion. So, at the same party, they would all address me as Pani Tamara (of that form in a minute) and I'd formally suggest they address me by my first name alone, as they had for the past 18 yrs :) And that introduced yet another form of address, that of the formal title (Pani) coupled with the first name rather than the surname. That's sort of a middle ground, between total formality and personal friendship. Co-workers of equal status, will after a while, be addressed by Pani/Pan+ First Name (the boss remains Pani/Pan + surname). All other rules remained the same; an older woman would have to initiate the loosening of formality, by calling me pani Tamara instead of Pani Przybyl, and I'd initiate the same by calling a man Pan Antoni, instead of Pan Kowalski. The next step -- if you got bit friendlier -- would be Pan/Pani+diminutive of the first name. Only if you became personal friends would the title be dropped. They're not old enough to address me by my first name. Addressing an elder by first name is a privilege, not a right. That's exactly how I feel, to this day. I can get incadescent with rage -- inside -- when some piss-panty (anyone more than 20 yrs younger than I am) calls me by my first name without first being granted the freedom to do so. Outside, I just ignore them the first two times and on the third I tell them my name is Mrs Duvall... So, they think I'm nuts? OK. But now I'm curious: the tendency in the US of children addressing elders by their first name; while I abhor it, I am curious to know if this is the case in other countries as well. Is this a US phenomenon, or does it exist elsewhere? Depends on the parents -- at least in Poland. Some (of my generation) have imbibed of the equality idea so deeply, that they encourage their children to use first names when addressing adults. To those, I usually say your Mama can call me 'Tamara', but to you I'm 'Mrs Duvall' until you're a bit older. Most, usually instruct their children to call me Aunt Tamara, and I let them drop the Aunt when they're about 16-17. Takes about 2-3 yrs before they get used to it, but eventually they do. I too have been thinking about Rosemary's posting: I was taught to address people by their given name family name and not to use titles as everyone is equal, and using titles denote inequality. Peculiarly, in Polish, it's the usage of the honorrifics (titles) that is a sign not only of respect but also of a level of equality. Almost until WWI, only the aristorcracy were addressed as Pan (master) and Pani (mistress) (their children were: Panicz for a boy, and Panienka or Panna for a girl). Everyone else, being of lower class, was addressed by the surname (in the case of males) or, in the case of females, either by the first name or by the father's or husband's surname (different endings for each). It was only after the WWI, that, with the emergence of the middle class, the honorifics began to be applied to them also (if only among themselves). That custom trickled down to the lower classes also, so that the servants and labourers (though not peasants), when talking to one another would use Pan and Pani before
