If there are no other comments, I will post these on the talk page. Am Di., 5. Sept. 2023 um 22:15 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg < mfwarb...@googlemail.com>:
> Some comments, I invite your additions and comments. I hope we can have a > consensus so we can give our comments "as Langcom", not as individual > members. > > === Approving new language projects - standards setting === > [1] * The Language Committee (LangCom) reports to the Global Council. The > Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of LangCom, > subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter. > [2] * The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to > be recognised. > [3] * The Global Council may choose to allow LangCom to directly recognise > new language projects or retain that authority for itself. > [4] * In this new structure, LangCom is tasked to verify that proposed > projects are substantial and sufficiently supported. > > === Closure of lingual and sister projects === > [5] * The Global Council possesses the authority to veto decisions to > close a lingual project. It may set its own standards on whether to vote on > such matters. Where it does not vote, the Language Committee (LangCom) will > take the decision. > [Does not relate to Langcom] * An affirmative vote of the Global Council > is required to progress with closing a sister project. The Global Council > may set additional criteria before voting. The viability of project > continuation and necessity of closing will be extensively checked before > final voting by Global Council. > [6] * The Global Council, through LangCom, would have the authority to set > standards to close an incubator project. In the absence of Global Council > action, LangCom will continue to set its own standards. > > To point 1. I suggest acknowledging that Langcom already exists and has a > structure and a [[m:Language_committee#Charter|charter]], which however > still shows signs of being from the time Langcom was established. > > To point 2. I suggest making clear that this relates to the [[m:Language > proposal policy]]. It should be made clear if the Global Council should > have the competency to change this policy (alone?). > > To point 3. Please make clear what "recognise" means. Currently we have > "verification as eligible" and "final approval", both are done by Langcom. > The Board has years ago waived the requirement that they formally be > consulted for a final approval (i.e. wiki creation). I suggest keeping it > that way and striking this point, as the current process works and it would > be strange to reserve the creation of wikis to a different body. > > To point 4. Please make clear if this is supposed to be a change from > current policy. > > To point 5. Please use "language version" instead of "lingual project". > This is the established terminology and, I think, also clearer than the > relatively unknown adjective "lingual". > > To point 6. What would it mean to close an Incubator project? Currently, > projects on Incubator can get deleted / prevented from creation, but that > is an Incubator community / admins decision. Also, don't forget that > Wikisource and Wikiversity are being incubated on the Multilingual > Wikisource and BetaWikiversity, respectively. > > > > Am Fr., 1. Sept. 2023 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg < > mfwarb...@googlemail.com>: > >> I will try to write something over the weekend. >> >> Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati < >> sedra...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Hello and sorry for my late answer, >>> >>> It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned >>> that the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you >>> please share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council draft >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council>? >>> If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to the >>> MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round before >>> shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and caring >>> about the movement charter :) >>> >>> I wish you an excellent weekend! >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Anass >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki <sotiale...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The realization of the power specified on the page sounds like the >>>> power to override the consensus and process of the existing global >>>> community. >>>> >>>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of >>>>> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter. >>>> >>>> It is not clear in what sense the expression was used. It sounds like >>>> the GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight body. >>>> >>>> The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to be >>>>> recognised. >>>> >>>> It is thought to grant the power to override the contents of the >>>> current LPP. But this will cause serious confusion. >>>> Because this would rather create exceptions, the existing langcom would >>>> be crippled and appealed to the GC, the appellate body. >>>> >>>> There are other points of concern, such as how does the GC oversee >>>> langcom's structure and decision making? >>>> I am concerned that the complaints and problems of each local wiki >>>> about OC (I am not talking about the current OC) that have been pointed out >>>> in the past will be implemented. >>>> >>>> Sotiale >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>> 바이러스가 >>>> 없습니다.www.avast.com >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>> <#m_2206688088646600982_m_-9185265129092455911_m_-406384858432134963_m_6013307663315263621_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> >>>> 2023년 8월 15일 (화) 오전 1:03, MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com>님이 작성: >>>> >>>>> I have noticed that at < >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council#Responsibilities_and_associated_Powers>, >>>>> it is suggested to make the proposed Global Council responsible for >>>>> oversight over Langcom, instead of - like it currently is - the Board. So >>>>> far, nobody has invited us to comment on this, about which I am surprised. >>>>> >>>>> My first impression is that it would not change a lot, but it still >>>>> implies there will be *some* changes to the Langcom processes. For now, I >>>>> just wanted to send a quick email to inform you all, but I think it would >>>>> be worthwhile to look into that and to make a statement about the proposal >>>>> that is backed by the consensus of the committee. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>> *Anass SEDRATI* >>> *(+46) 70 508 51 07* >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>
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