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moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E wrote: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Very Funny Mac! LOL Y'all are giving TX a bad name, btw if you look Florida is the one that has been "chair" happy lately, not TX. Mornin' Kathy, Yeah but Texas is darn right next door! Could save the taxpayers a few pennies. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Like Doc said, "said". :) Just seems funny that it wouldn't come up at all until now, not even when he was accused of sexual problems with his half sister. Wonder why it didn't come out then? I guess everything will come out sooner or later. Sue Hi all Just on the news this morning. Said he was abused repetitively by a relative of the day care center he was in when 6 and/or 7. That's is really all I heard--imagine there will be more. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ronald Helm wrote: "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Mac, I was wondering that myself. If I read the story correctly they are saying the kid never told anyone about this until after the murders. Doesn't that seem a bit odd? Bill Incredible, now even little criminals are aware that the "abuse excuse" can work to your benefit in a defense! Ron Evenin' Ron, I think this is something that the lawyer cooked up. The father has been on t.v. everyday and said nothing about this. Supposedly the kid told some other relatives about this but they didn't inform the parents. Nice relatives! It wasn't until the lawyer "confirmed" it with the same caring family members that he felt he should inform the jury pool of the tragedy this poor child has suffered. I think they should move the venue to Texas. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc Agree it is "said" not collaborated. Quite a bit of commentary by locals was included, as the town is so small and it would be very quickly known here where he went to daycare. So don't know what more is going to be shown here. jackief DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-04-07 07:06:12 EDT, you write: Just on the news this morning. Said he was abused repetitively by a relative of the day care center he was in when 6 and/or 7. That's is really all I heard--imagine there will be more. jackief At this point, without some corroboration, I think the operative word is "said." Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: There should be a semi adult place for these kids, with lots and lots of counseling and help. They shouldn't be put into the adult prison system, nor do I think that juvenile hall is appropriate either. 4 years for the murder of 5 people is nothing. And he isn't going to learn anything in juvenile detention either. :( Sue Hi Mac, Oh, I agree. I just think it's odd that this should come out only after the murders. It almost sounds like a defense attorney asking leading questions and the kid figuring out what the right answers are. It DOES make a difference, IMO, that these kids are only 11 and 13 years old. I can't see throwing them into a prison with hard cases who are adults. But I don't think they should be turned back into society for a long, long time. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:19:03 -0400 moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mornin' jackie, I'm surprised it took this long for the defense to put this story out. ...Mac Hi Mac, I was wondering that myself. If I read the story correctly they are saying the kid never told anyone about this until after the murders. Doesn't that seem a bit odd? Bill Afternoon Bill, I don't think it's odd at all. It seems pretty standard to try and place blame elsewhere and put that blame into play before a jury is picked. This child knew enough about guns and the results of pulling the trigger. Even if he was molested it dosen't excuse his actions on that day. It was a premeditated strike and he, IMO, knew exactly what he was doing. ...Mac Hi Mac, Oh, I agree. I just think it's odd that this should come out only after the murders. It almost sounds like a defense attorney asking leading questions and the kid figuring out what the right answers are. It DOES make a difference, IMO, that these kids are only 11 and 13 years old. I can't see throwing them into a prison with hard cases who are adults. But I don't think they should be turned back into society for a long, long time. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue Yes, it seems strange. I am wondering how it is going to go over in the town of Grand Meadow. This is a really small town, so I would imagine any daycare provider, if the boy was there, would immediately be known by the residents. Haven't seen Tom to ask him. Maybe tomorrow--the state Supreme Court is holding court here in Austin and my classes and I have reserved seats. The case under appeal is a hearing on Miranda rights. The state is wanting the lower court's decision to suppress the confession because Miranda rights weren't given at the beginning of the interview with the suspect, but about 15 minutes into the videotaped interview. Will be interesting I am sure. We have to go through a metal detector, cannot take book bags, etc. in as it will slow down the search process, etc. We will listen the oral arguments and then the judges will answer questions from the audience. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Like Doc said, "said". :) Just seems funny that it wouldn't come up at all until now, not even when he was accused of sexual problems with his half sister. Wonder why it didn't come out then? I guess everything will come out sooner or later. Sue Hi all Just on the news this morning. Said he was abused repetitively by a relative of the day care center he was in when 6 and/or 7. That's is really all I heard--imagine there will be more. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-04-07 21:32:22 EDT, you write: The case under appeal is a hearing on Miranda rights. The state is wanting the lower court's decision to suppress the confession because Miranda rights weren't given at the beginning of the interview with the suspect, but about 15 minutes into the videotaped interview Be sure to let us know the outcome of that one, jackief. Doc Hi Doc I can hardly wait to hear the decision they make. It is under advisement now. It was a great experience. I was really glad I had my students go, and most of them appeared to really be impressed and excited about hearing a real case. I think when we meet again there will be lots of discussion. It was a sociologist's dream though above and beyond the cj aspect of it. The communication styles of the women justices compared to the men justices was great to watch, especially as they didn't know they were being watched. Alan Paige, a pro football player that really did something after retiring from the Vikings, is one of the justices. The questioning was interesting. I think they will uphold the lower courts on this one. I sort of chuckled when one justice asked the lawyer for the state, if there was a way that the police were able to turn a switch on and off to determine when the victim was being asked questions as a potential victim/witness and a suspect. This was a real bonus for the students and for me. jackief Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Mitchell Johnson--victim of sexual abuse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Kathy, LOL...not only do you drag me into a discussion where I'm not commenting about anything you misstate the facts. I never said anything about "that's still a lot of executions." You must be thinking of someone else. As I've stated before, my biggest objection to the death penalty is that it is inevitable that innocent people will be executed over the course of many years. And if even only ONE innocent person is executed it is sufficient to ban the death penalty, IMO. Another good argument against it is that, in spite of what people want to say, it is administered in a very discriminatory manner. Since it has been proven not to be a deterrent it only makes sense that there are better ways to decrease capital crimes. The death penalty does not do one thing to decrease capital crimes. If it did then the number of people on death row would decrease instead of increase. Bill On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 00:02:08 -0400 Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Very Funny Mac! LOL Y'all are giving TX a bad name, btw if you look Florida is the one that has been "chair" happy lately, not TX. Yet in the publics eye it's TX that is the number one state for executions even though the true facts show it isn't. CA sentences more people to death than any state and Florida executes more than any other state, TX beat FL once because we didn't execute any for one year while looking at the DP in Texas, after some revisions were done they did execute those who were supposed to be executed the prior year and the current year, and yea I know Bill your going to say like you did last time well that still makes for a LOT of executions no it didn't Bill. The simple fact is the murders and killers, kill a LOT more than any state does. But lets not let facts get in the way of emotional arguments. Of course the easiest way to stop the DP is to stop people from killing others. Yet again people don't like to look at that, it's easier to attack the punishment than to attack the criminal and what they did and how to keep them from doing it. It's the same old merry go round. moonshine wrote: Evenin' Ron, I think this is something that the lawyer cooked up. The father has been on t.v. everyday and said nothing about this. Supposedly the kid told some other relatives about this but they didn't inform the parents. Nice relatives! It wasn't until the lawyer "confirmed" it with the same caring family members that he felt he should inform the jury pool of the tragedy this poor child has suffered. I think they should move the venue to Texas. ...Mac -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-04-07 21:32:22 EDT, you write: The case under appeal is a hearing on Miranda rights. The state is wanting the lower court's decision to suppress the confession because Miranda rights weren't given at the beginning of the interview with the suspect, but about 15 minutes into the videotaped interview Be sure to let us know the outcome of that one, jackief. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows wrote: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all Just on the news this morning. Said he was abused repetitively by a relative of the day care center he was in when 6 and/or 7. That's is really all I heard--imagine there will be more. jackief Mornin' jackie, I'm surprised it took this long for the defense to put this story out. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-04-07 07:06:12 EDT, you write: Just on the news this morning. Said he was abused repetitively by a relative of the day care center he was in when 6 and/or 7. That's is really all I heard--imagine there will be more. jackief At this point, without some corroboration, I think the operative word is "said." Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mornin' jackie, I'm surprised it took this long for the defense to put this story out. ...Mac Hi Mac, I was wondering that myself. If I read the story correctly they are saying the kid never told anyone about this until after the murders. Doesn't that seem a bit odd? Bill Afternoon Bill, I don't think it's odd at all. It seems pretty standard to try and place blame elsewhere and put that blame into play before a jury is picked. This child knew enough about guns and the results of pulling the trigger. Even if he was molested it dosen't excuse his actions on that day. It was a premeditated strike and he, IMO, knew exactly what he was doing. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Mac, I was wondering that myself. If I read the story correctly they are saying the kid never told anyone about this until after the murders. Doesn't that seem a bit odd? Bill Incredible, now even little criminals are aware that the "abuse excuse" can work to your benefit in a defense! Ron Jury - Twelve people who determine which client has the better lawyer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
