Re: [Lazarus] Wiki: how to propose deleting a page?
On 9/15/12, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote: Once when I needed to do this I simply substituted the page contents with empty contents. I know this doesn't really answer the question, but anyway... maybe someone else will know a more proper solution. I find that rather (c)rude when the page in question is not your own. I know on a wiki any user can modify (almost any) pages, but that is supposed to be foor correcting or adding information. Deeting an entire entry is a different kind of beast... Also doesn't that just leave an empty page instead of completely removing it? Bart -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Wiki: how to propose deleting a page?
On 9/16/12, Alexander Klenin kle...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Bart bartjun...@gmail.com wrote: Say I would like to propose to delete a certain wiki page, how would I do that? Why not discuss it here? Alternatively, you can use Talk page on the wiki (discussion link above the page). That would be OK by me. As far as I am concerned anyone can read my reasons for wanting to remove pages, so here we go: 1) http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Building_the_VCL_with_FPC This page has an external link to a zip-file which contains (modified) Borland copyrighted material (Delphi VCL source code). Quite some time ago I contacted the author of this page and asked him to either remove the link or make sure the zip didn't contain copyrighted material. He did not do so. Linking to copyrighted material on the official fpc/lazarus wiki reflects badly upon our community IMO, hence I would like to see that page removed. 2) http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Windows_7 Stumbled upon this one via random page. Information seems outdated and doesn't really anything usefull IMHO. No page links to this page, so removing won't cause dead links. Bart -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Wiki: how to propose deleting a page?
On 16.09.2012 12:20, Bart wrote: 2) http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Windows_7 Stumbled upon this one via random page. Information seems outdated and doesn't really anything usefull IMHO. No page links to this page, so removing won't cause dead links. As a sidenote: you can see all pages that are not linked to by going to special pages on the navigation left and selecting orphaned pages in the category at the top. Regards, Sven -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Wiki: how to propose deleting a page?
2012/9/16 Bart bartjun...@gmail.com: On 9/15/12, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote: Once when I needed to do this I simply substituted the page contents with empty contents. I know this doesn't really answer the question, but anyway... maybe someone else will know a more proper solution. I find that rather (c)rude when the page in question is not your own. I know on a wiki any user can modify (almost any) pages, but that is supposed to be foor correcting or adding information. Deeting an entire entry is a different kind of beast... Also doesn't that just leave an empty page instead of completely removing it? Deleted pages can be found back at: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALogtype=delete There is also a restore button, but I don't know if that is because I am an admin or not. I think deleting a page with a reason given in the comment is better than leaving an empty page. Vincent -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Wiki: how to propose deleting a page?
On 16-9-2012 12:20, Bart wrote: On 9/16/12, Alexander Klenin kle...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Bart bartjun...@gmail.com wrote: Say I would like to propose to delete a certain wiki page, how would I do that? Why not discuss it here? Alternatively, you can use Talk page on the wiki (discussion link above the page). That would be OK by me. As far as I am concerned anyone can read my reasons for wanting to remove pages, so here we go: 1) http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Building_the_VCL_with_FPC This page has an external link to a zip-file which contains (modified) Borland copyrighted material (Delphi VCL source code). Quite some time ago I contacted the author of this page and asked him to either remove the link or make sure the zip didn't contain copyrighted material. He did not do so. Linking to copyrighted material on the official fpc/lazarus wiki reflects badly upon our community IMO, hence I would like to see that page removed. Why don't you remove the link right now then, e.g. specifying *LINK TO COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL REMOVED*? -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Wiki: how to propose deleting a page?
On 9/16/12, Reinier Olislagers reinierolislag...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you remove the link right now then, e.g. specifying *LINK TO COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL REMOVED*? I thought about that, but it might also reflect badly upon us? In the end, I think removing the page alltogether would be better. Bart -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] Debugging shared libraries
I've developed a useful convention which allows me to either load a library on demand (via Dynlibs) or to link it statically. This combination allows me to use standard Lazarus debugging techniques to sort out most problems. However, yesterday's discussion about calling /from/ a dynamically-loaded library /into/ a program binary (other than the main program) raises an interesting question: can Lazarus+gdb be persuaded to trace into a shared library? -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Wiki: how to propose deleting a page?
Bart wrote: On 9/16/12, Reinier Olislagers reinierolislag...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you remove the link right now then, e.g. specifying *LINK TO COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL REMOVED*? I thought about that, but it might also reflect badly upon us? In the end, I think removing the page alltogether would be better. Although the unexpurgated original will remain visible at archive.org, unless the wiki manager adds a don't index file which (when I last looked at this) they obey as soon as they see it. -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] QT Style
Hi, I have application which is using QT widgetset on all platforms (gnome, kde, windows). But Qt is trying simulate native look on all platforms. Exists any style or switch which makes the program will look the same on all platforms? Regards -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] QT Style
On Sunday 16 of September 2012 17:21:12 Krzysztof wrote: Hi, I have application which is using QT widgetset on all platforms (gnome, kde, windows). But Qt is trying simulate native look on all platforms. Exists any style or switch which makes the program will look the same on all platforms? Yes. Start your application with param -style windows. It's win95 look and it works on all platforms. zeljko -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] OT: Cute little toy program
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 08:13:58PM +0100, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: We should add that program to the the collection of odd apps. I have written one (code is still somewhere on my system) that calculates the Stardate (as defined in the Star Trek series). For the life of me, I don't know why I needed it, but it is written. :-) I can donate calculating Easter and all movable holidays in FPC 0.99.8 style assembler :-) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] QT Style
Yes. Start your application with param -style windows. It's win95 look and it works on all platforms. Thanks! fpGUI perhaps? This interface is the best solution, but I can't use it until it doesn't have trayicon component -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] mod to make Anchor Docking Grab Handles have a more subtle look
Hi, I've created a patch to make the Docking Grab Handles (of Anchor Docking package) to have a more subtle look. The original look was too distracting for my personal taste. I like it to blend in better with the main form. Before image: http://bugs.freepascal.org/file_download.php?file_id=17014type=bug After image: http://bugs.freepascal.org/file_download.php?file_id=17015type=bug Mantis report with patch: http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=22900 I tried to keep theming in mind. I made the background of the handles clForm. This could probably be tweaked to a difference color, if you want the handles to stand out more. As I mentioned in the Mantis report. If this is not the look that the Lazarus team is going for, then please disregard my patch. Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] QT Style
On 16/09/12 17:08, Bart wrote: fpGUI perhaps? Ask Graeme... I couldn't say it better myself. :-) G. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] QT Style
On 16/09/12 16:21, Krzysztof wrote: platforms. Exists any style or switch which makes the program will look the same on all platforms? Qt apps (not sure about LCL-Qt ones) support a -style parameter. Qt includes 4-5 styles (Win9x, Motif, CDE, ClearLooks etc.) by default which you can use. Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] QT Style
On 16/09/12 18:02, Krzysztof wrote: This interface is the best solution, but I can't use it until it doesn't have trayicon component via LCL-fpGUI or via native fpGUI? Either way, native fpGUI Toolkit should have a trayicon component in the next few days. It's very near complete. Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] QT Style
@Graeme. What about tray icon in fpGUI? -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] QT Style
On 16/09/12 19:51, Krzysztof wrote: @Graeme. What about tray icon in fpGUI? Get a repository update later in the week, and it should be there. ;-) Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] QT Style
LCL-fpGUI or via native fpGUI? Native. Hmm, I've never heard about LCL-fpGUI. What is this? I can mix standard LCL controls with fpGUI? How to install it? -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] QT Style
On 16/09/12 20:06, Krzysztof wrote: I've never heard about LCL-fpGUI. What is this? It is a Lazarus LCL widgetset backend. It is a LCL interface to other toolkits just like LCL-Qt, LCL-GTK1, LCL-GTK2, LCL-CustomDrawn, LCL-Cocoa, LCL-Carbon. Native fpGUI: This is when you only use fpGUI Toolkit - no LCL. This is when you get the true power of fpGUI and single source development, with very low dependencies. LCL-fpGUI: This is when you use LCL, and told the Lazarus IDE to compile your project for the fpGUI Toolkit backend. I can mix standard LCL controls with fpGUI? No. How to install it? LCL-fpGUI comes standard with Lazarus, but it is still in Alpha state. Many feature still need to be implemented before it can truly be used to compile any LCL application. There is no dedicated developer working on this, hence progress is slow. It's not a difficult task though. I simply don't have the time, as fpGUI, tiOPF, FPTest, OnGuard, my daytime job, and my family keeps me rather busy. I do occasionally supply LCL-fpGUI patches though. Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] mod to make Anchor Docking Grab Handles have a more subtle look
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys gra...@geldenhuys.co.uk wrote: As I mentioned in the Mantis report. If this is not the look that the Lazarus team is going for, then please disregard my patch. Looks nice to me, good work. Can the user set the width/height of the splitters between docked areas ? To me the area where the mouse cursor change to resize is too small. At options the splitter width can be modified, but even after restarting the ide I see no change. I'm using an old snapshot of Lazarus, so ignore if this was already solved. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] mod to make Anchor Docking Grab Handles have a more subtle look
On 16 September 2012 22:15, Daniel Gaspary dgasp...@gmail.com wrote: Can the user set the width/height of the splitters between docked areas ? Yes, I'm using the latest Lazarus 1.1 (trunk) under LCL-GTK2. Setting the width in the Options dialog does change it in the IDE (without a restart needed). I'm using an old snapshot of Lazarus, so ignore if this was already solved. I guess you need to update your Lazarus then. Otherwise, it might be a specific LCL widgetset issue? -- Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] mod to make Anchor Docking Grab Handles have a more subtle look
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com I guess you need to update your Lazarus then. Otherwise, it might be a specific LCL widgetset issue? It is probably due to my lack of updates. Good to know it's working, thank you Graeme. Daniel -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] Lazbuild on IBM Power6 (OpenSuse Linux)
As I must deploy a Lazarus CGI on this machine, an IBM 560 with a PowerPC processor using OpenSuse Linux, and I'm getting some Access Violations on places where the x86-64 works ok, I'm offering access to this machine to the Lazarus developers. Then machine has Gnome 2.x (from 2006) installed, but I didn't tested, since I don't need it, I just have to log in using SSH, compile my app and run it. I've installed FPC 2.7.1 from sources and Lazarus also from sources. If anyone is interested in helping me with this, I can give a user/pass. Regards, -- Leonardo M. Ramé http://leonardorame.blogspot.com -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] Stable islands: testing stability
MML's post on stable islands has made me think. Below some ideas for discussion: If we want to know whether a certain combination of OS+FPC+Lazarus+packages is stable, we: 1. should ask the user 2. don't trust him completely though and we should get measurements Short-term action = I suggest we can create a Lazarus GUI that - asks the user how stable he thinks Lazarus is - collects test measurement data (see below) The GUI can then display the results, save them for the user's own use (import in database etc), and upload to a central web page The GUI could run these tests: - compiler test suite. Custom test code; results available as XML, IIRC. - FPC database tests (e.g. for bufdataset, memds, sdfdataset, perhaps test Firebird embedded, sqlite, as well as any specified in the user's database.ini). These are fpcunit tests; can spit out e.g. XML - any other fpc tests written with fpcunit - Lazarus non-GUI tests (can't remember what data format these have) Medium-term action == - Have FPC report not only version but also SVN revision (much like lazarus does in help/about) so that data can be used to pinpoint exactly what version is used if checked out from SVN (e.g. trunk) - Write small cross platform database application to collect, read in test results into database; useful for user's own use - Similar but for a central web site. Web page with results could be done much like the compiler test suite page - Extend FPC fpcunit tests for packages (both in coverage and number of packages tested) - Extend Lazarus non-GUI tests (e.g. fill stringgrid, save as csv, load from csv, compare grid contents). Perhaps even a policy/behaviour change: no new units accepted without relevant tests (of course where feasible) - Extend packages so that there is a self-test possibility: the GUI mentioned above) and/or IDE shoul run unit tests in the packages and get the resutls. Example: Lazreport creates sample report, outputs to file, and compares file contents with expected contents Extending the test suites etc. would aid in regression testing as long as attention is paid to the trend in test faults. What do you think? Thanks, Reinier -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
