Re: [Lazarus] Compiling IDE issues using FreeBSD 9.1 FPC 2.6.0
On 2013-02-03 22:22, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
./components/lazutils/fileutil.pas
./docs/xml/lazutils/fileutil.xml
./lcl/units/x86_64-freebsd/fileutil.ppu
./lcl/units/x86_64-freebsd/fileutil.o
Where is this fileutil.ppu coming from?
Maybe the gmake clean does not work under FreeBSD?
No idea. I normally don't trust 'make clean' etc commands, so I did a
'git clean -d -f', seeing that I used the git repository from Github.
This removed any and all files or directories that are not tracked by
the repository. After that a 'gmake bigide' worked.
Thinking about it a bit more, it might have been my own doing. Maybe it
was because after I cloned the Lazarus repository from Github, it leaves
you in the wrong branch ('master' instead of 'upstream'). [I still need
to fix that] I think I might have tried to compile Lazarus while in the
wrong (very old) branch, then realised I was in the wrong branch -
switched to 'upstream', and then did another build. Thus leaving some
compiled units in locations that confused the build process. The 'git
clean' would have resolved this problem.
...few minutes later...
I just cloned the repository again, made sure I was in the correct
'upstream' branch, and did a 'gmake bigide' and everything went fine. So
I guess it must have been left-over compiled units from being in the
wrong branch before.
Sorry for the false alarm. It seems the only minor issue now, is that
the readme file needs to be updated to say that FreeBSD users must use
'gmake' instead of 'make'. I've already updated the wiki with this info.
Regards,
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[Lazarus] Clearing a project
Is there an easy way of clearing all stored state out of the .lps/lpi files, i.e. leaving no history of opened units/forms etc. except possibly a reference to the .lpr or the main-form unit? I'm mindful of my current issue with files being referenced over different paths (when such a thing is possible, e.g. because of the presence of symlinks) but also it would seem like a good thing to do before publishing a project as source. -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Clearing a project
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk hat am 4. Februar 2013 um 12:08 geschrieben: Is there an easy way of clearing all stored state out of the .lps/lpi files, i.e. leaving no history of opened units/forms etc. except possibly a reference to the .lpr or the main-form unit? You can save session data separate in the lps file. Close project, delete lps, open project. I'm mindful of my current issue with files being referenced over different paths (when such a thing is possible, e.g. because of the presence of symlinks) but also it would seem like a good thing to do before publishing a project as source. Do you mean Project / Publish Project ? Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM, silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, In FPC, I'm trying to load a ASCII content and onvert it to integer, but, without success. In PHP I do it easily. I send two files in attached: 1. php - demo in PHP working fine (the demo uses unpack function: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.unpack.php); 2. fpc - demo in FPC partially implemented; So, how to do it in FPC? Take a look at my fp-msgpack[1] (I need to rewrite it, because the way that array and maps works), but it does exactly what pack and upack does. Thank you! ps. I tried the Unpack function of FPC, but I don't know how to use it. -- Silvio Clécio My public projects - github.com/silvioprog [1] https://github.com/ik5/fp-msgpack -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Clearing a project
Mattias Gaertner wrote: Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk hat am 4. Februar 2013 um 12:08 geschrieben: Is there an easy way of clearing all stored state out of the .lps/lpi files, i.e. leaving no history of opened units/forms etc. except possibly a reference to the .lpr or the main-form unit? You can save session data separate in the lps file. Close project, delete lps, open project. Did that yesterday, but it still leaves at least one file in the .lpi (which was the one that we didn't want saved, under the circumstances). I'm mindful of my current issue with files being referenced over different paths (when such a thing is possible, e.g. because of the presence of symlinks) but also it would seem like a good thing to do before publishing a project as source. Do you mean Project / Publish Project I was thinking about the general case, including svn to a public repository such as Berlios. -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Clearing a project
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk hat am 4. Februar 2013 um 13:01 geschrieben: Mattias Gaertner wrote: Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk hat am 4. Februar 2013 um 12:08 geschrieben: Is there an easy way of clearing all stored state out of the .lps/lpi files, i.e. leaving no history of opened units/forms etc. except possibly a reference to the .lpr or the main-form unit? You can save session data separate in the lps file. Close project, delete lps, open project. Did that yesterday, but it still leaves at least one file in the .lpi (which was the one that we didn't want saved, under the circumstances). What was left, what should not be there? I'm mindful of my current issue with files being referenced over different paths (when such a thing is possible, e.g. because of the presence of symlinks) but also it would seem like a good thing to do before publishing a project as source. Do you mean Project / Publish Project I was thinking about the general case, including svn to a public repository such as Berlios. The lps is normally not stored in the svn repository. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
ps. I tried the Unpack function of FPC, but I don't know how to use it. Unpack() is for unpacking previously Pack()-ed data -- View this message in context: http://free-pascal-lazarus.989080.n3.nabble.com/Lazarus-Unpack-of-PHP-tp4029070p4029074.html Sent from the Free Pascal - Lazarus mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Clearing a project
Mattias Gaertner wrote: Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk hat am 4. Februar 2013 um 13:01 geschrieben: Mattias Gaertner wrote: Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk hat am 4. Februar 2013 um 12:08 geschrieben: Is there an easy way of clearing all stored state out of the .lps/lpi files, i.e. leaving no history of opened units/forms etc. except possibly a reference to the .lpr or the main-form unit? You can save session data separate in the lps file. Close project, delete lps, open project. Did that yesterday, but it still leaves at least one file in the .lpi (which was the one that we didn't want saved, under the circumstances). What was left, what should not be there? If I do a close-all, save-all, exit and then delete the .lps, when I bring up Lazarus it's displaying a tab DbConfigCode2 pointing at the incorrect /usr/local/src/inifiles/trunk/dbconfigcode2.pas. The issue in this case appears to be that in the .lpi file there's Units Count=13 .. Unit12 Filename Value=..\..\inifiles\trunk\dbconfigcode2.pas/ IsPartOfProject Value=True/ ComponentName Value=DbConfigFrame/ HasResources Value=True/ ResourceBaseClass Value=Frame/ UnitName Value=DbConfigCode2/ /Unit12 /Units which, if I understand things correctly, shouldn't be there since I've enables .lps support. I'm mindful of my current issue with files being referenced over different paths (when such a thing is possible, e.g. because of the presence of symlinks) but also it would seem like a good thing to do before publishing a project as source. Do you mean Project / Publish Project I was thinking about the general case, including svn to a public repository such as Berlios. The lps is normally not stored in the svn repository. I know, but as I've said above there's a list of units stored in the .lpi as well. How does one clear this? -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Clearing a project
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:58:01 + Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote: Mattias Gaertner wrote: Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk hat am 4. Februar 2013 um 13:01 geschrieben: Mattias Gaertner wrote: Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk hat am 4. Februar 2013 um 12:08 geschrieben: Is there an easy way of clearing all stored state out of the .lps/lpi files, i.e. leaving no history of opened units/forms etc. except possibly a reference to the .lpr or the main-form unit? You can save session data separate in the lps file. Close project, delete lps, open project. Did that yesterday, but it still leaves at least one file in the .lpi (which was the one that we didn't want saved, under the circumstances). What was left, what should not be there? If I do a close-all, save-all, exit and then delete the .lps, when I bring up Lazarus it's displaying a tab DbConfigCode2 pointing at the incorrect /usr/local/src/inifiles/trunk/dbconfigcode2.pas. The issue in this case appears to be that in the .lpi file there's Units Count=13 .. Unit12 Filename Value=..\..\inifiles\trunk\dbconfigcode2.pas/ IsPartOfProject Value=True/ ComponentName Value=DbConfigFrame/ HasResources Value=True/ ResourceBaseClass Value=Frame/ UnitName Value=DbConfigCode2/ /Unit12 /Units which, if I understand things correctly, shouldn't be there since I've enables .lps support. The above data are *not* session data. Session data is what file is open, cursor position, break points, jump history, The above lpi tells, that ..\..\inifiles\trunk\dbconfigcode2.pas belongs to the project. The Project Inspector will show the same. You can remove this file from the project via the Project Inspector or Project / Remove from Project. I'm mindful of my current issue with files being referenced over different paths (when such a thing is possible, e.g. because of the presence of symlinks) but also it would seem like a good thing to do before publishing a project as source. Do you mean Project / Publish Project I was thinking about the general case, including svn to a public repository such as Berlios. The lps is normally not stored in the svn repository. I know, but as I've said above there's a list of units stored in the .lpi as well. How does one clear this? This list gives the IDE the clues what files are important and what not. So, you should not clear it, you should clean it up and add all missing project units. For example via the Project Inspector. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
2013/2/4 ik ido...@gmail.com On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM, silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, In FPC, I'm trying to load a ASCII content and onvert it to integer, but, without success. In PHP I do it easily. I send two files in attached: 1. php - demo in PHP working fine (the demo uses unpack function: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.unpack.php); 2. fpc - demo in FPC partially implemented; So, how to do it in FPC? Take a look at my fp-msgpack[1] (I need to rewrite it, because the way that array and maps works), but it does exactly what pack and upack does. Thank you! ps. I tried the Unpack function of FPC, but I don't know how to use it. -- Silvio Clécio My public projects - github.com/silvioprog [1] https://github.com/ik5/fp-msgpack I have not found the line that does the conversion (from ASCII to integer). The your code is big. I will need to study it to understand it. In PHP was so easy (only two lines), that I would have swore that something native and easy to use with Free Pascal. Thank you! -- Silvio Clécio My public projects - github.com/silvioprog -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] Lazarus 1.0.6 Release
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the release of Lazarus 1.0.6. This is a bug fix release. Here is the list of changes: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.0_fixes_branch#Fixes_for_1.0.6_.28Merged.29 The release is available for download at the SourceForge download page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lazarus/files/ Choose your CPU, OS, distro and then the Lazarus 1.0.6 directory. Minimum requirements: Windows: 98, 2k, XP, Vista, 7, 32 or 64bit FreeBSD/Linux: gtk 2.8 or qt4.5, 32 or 64bit Mac OS X: 10.5, LCL only 32bit, non LCL apps can be 64bit This release has been built with fpc 2.6.0 (the former release 1.0.4 was built with that too). The svn tag is http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_1_0_6 For people who are blocked by SF, the Lazarus releases from sourceforge are mirrored at: ftp://freepascal.dfmk.hu/pub/lazarus/releases/ and later at (after some time for synchronization) http://michael-ep3.physik.uni-halle.de/Lazarus/releases/ and http://mirrors.iwi.me/lazarus/ Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
2013/2/4 leledumbo leledumbo_c...@yahoo.co.id ps. I tried the Unpack function of FPC, but I don't know how to use it. Unpack() is for unpacking previously Pack()-ed data So, I'm trying to improve the PowerPDF to support PNG images, but I dont know how to convert ASCII to Integer. -- Silvio Clécio My public projects - github.com/silvioprog -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
2013/2/4 silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com ... but I dont know how to convert ASCII to Integer. ... to convert ASCII pack to Integer. -- Silvio Clécio My public projects - github.com/silvioprog -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
2013/2/4 silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com 2013/2/4 leledumbo leledumbo_c...@yahoo.co.id ps. I tried the Unpack function of FPC, but I don't know how to use it. Unpack() is for unpacking previously Pack()-ed data So, I'm trying to improve the PowerPDF to support PNG images, but I dont know how to convert ASCII to Integer. Solved: function ReadMWord(AStream: TStream): Word; type TMotorolaWord = record case Byte of 0: (Value: Word); 1: (Byte1, Byte2: Byte); end; var MW: TMotorolaWord; begin AStream.Read(MW.Byte2, SizeOf(Byte)); AStream.Read(MW.Byte1, SizeOf(Byte)); Result := MW.Value; end; :) -- Silvio Clécio My public projects - github.com/silvioprog -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
I may not understand the scope of your question, but could you use the swap function? http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/swap.html Like so (edited in email, not compile checked): function ReadMWord(AStream: TStream): Word; var MW: Word begin AStream.Read(MW, SizeOf(Word)); Result := Swap(MW); end; On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:13 AM, silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/4 silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com 2013/2/4 leledumbo leledumbo_c...@yahoo.co.id ps. I tried the Unpack function of FPC, but I don't know how to use it. Unpack() is for unpacking previously Pack()-ed data So, I'm trying to improve the PowerPDF to support PNG images, but I dont know how to convert ASCII to Integer. Solved: function ReadMWord(AStream: TStream): Word; type TMotorolaWord = record case Byte of 0: (Value: Word); 1: (Byte1, Byte2: Byte); end; var MW: TMotorolaWord; begin AStream.Read(MW.Byte2, SizeOf(Byte)); AStream.Read(MW.Byte1, SizeOf(Byte)); Result := MW.Value; end; :) -- Silvio Clécio My public projects - github.com/silvioprog -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
2013/2/4 David Knaack davidkna...@gmail.com I may not understand the scope of your question, but could you use the swap function? http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/swap.html Like so (edited in email, not compile checked): function ReadMWord(AStream: TStream): Word; var MW: Word begin AStream.Read(MW, SizeOf(Word)); Result := Swap(MW); end; Perfect! :) Thank you very much! -- Silvio Clécio My public projects - github.com/silvioprog -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
2013/2/4 silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com: 2013/2/4 David Knaack davidkna...@gmail.com I may not understand the scope of your question, but could you use the swap function? http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/swap.html Like so (edited in email, not compile checked): function ReadMWord(AStream: TStream): Word; var MW: Word begin AStream.Read(MW, SizeOf(Word)); Result := Swap(MW); end; Perfect! :) Thank you very much! Instead of swap, you may use beton, so that it works on big endian cpus too: http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/beton.html Vincent -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] How to control components order on the palette?
As far as I understand, conponents are now listed in the order of registration, which depends on the (alphabetical?) order of packages. Is there any way to control that? Specifically, I'd like TGUIConnectorBGRA component, which is currently placed first on the Chart page, to be placed last (or somewhere in the middle) instead. -- Alexander S. Klenin -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] How to control components order on the palette?
On Monday 04 of February 2013 16:55:10 Alexander Klenin wrote: As far as I understand, conponents are now listed in the order of registration, which depends on the (alphabetical?) order of packages. Is there any way to control that? Specifically, I'd like TGUIConnectorBGRA component, which is currently placed first on the Chart page, to be placed last (or somewhere in the middle) instead. It kills me too. Each rebuild of lazarus makes another placement of component tabs (except for standard tabs). zeljko -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
2013/2/4 Vincent Snijders vincent.snijd...@gmail.com 2013/2/4 silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com: 2013/2/4 David Knaack davidkna...@gmail.com I may not understand the scope of your question, but could you use the swap function? http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/swap.html Like so (edited in email, not compile checked): function ReadMWord(AStream: TStream): Word; var MW: Word begin AStream.Read(MW, SizeOf(Word)); Result := Swap(MW); end; Perfect! :) Thank you very much! Instead of swap, you may use beton, so that it works on big endian cpus too: http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/beton.html Vincent Many thanks guy, worked like a charm too! :) I'll use BEtoN instead Swap. -- Silvio Clécio My public projects - github.com/silvioprog -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Unpack of PHP
2013/2/4 silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com
2013/2/4 Vincent Snijders vincent.snijd...@gmail.com
2013/2/4 silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com:
2013/2/4 David Knaack davidkna...@gmail.com
I may not understand the scope of your question, but could you use the
swap function?
http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/swap.html
Like so (edited in email, not compile checked):
function ReadMWord(AStream: TStream): Word;
var
MW: Word
begin
AStream.Read(MW, SizeOf(Word));
Result := Swap(MW);
end;
Perfect! :)
Thank you very much!
Instead of swap, you may use beton, so that it works on big endian cpus
too:
http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/beton.html
Vincent
Many thanks guy, worked like a charm too! :) I'll use BEtoN instead Swap.
Oops... And this is the full code:
program project1;
{$mode objfpc}{$H+}
uses
Classes,
SysUtils;
function ReadInt(AStream: TStream): Word;
begin
Result := 0;
AStream.Read(Result, SizeOf(Word));
Result := BEtoN(Result);
end;
var
VFile: TFileStream;
begin
VFile := TFileStream.Create('data.ascii', fmOpenRead or fmShareDenyWrite);
try
VFile.Seek(2, 0);
WriteLn(ReadInt(VFile));
VFile.Seek(6, 0);
WriteLn(ReadInt(VFile));
finally
VFile.Free;
end;
end.
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My public projects - github.com/silvioprog
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[Lazarus] Where is TlrCodeReport in Laz 1.0.6 for Win7 64 bit?
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Re: [Lazarus] Where is TlrCodeReport in Laz 1.0.6 for Win7 64 bit?
Nevermind, I see it's now in the LazReport pallete. But where is samples or instructions on how to use it? From: Alejandro Gonzalo parkingspac...@yahoo.com To: Lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: [Lazarus] Where is TlrCodeReport in Laz 1.0.6 for Win7 64 bit? I can't find it in the list of packages, or under c:\lazarus\components A. G. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] ANN: Firmbox a FPC and Lazarus based project
Hello Freepascal and Lazarus Community ! Some of you may know us as sponsors of the freepascal and lazarus community. We provide hosting, storage and virtual machines to the projects. Today I have an exciting announcement to make, we startet a crowdfunding project on indiegogo. It's about a combined storage and hypervisor as a turnkey ready product, which we want to fully release as open source solution. We worked for nearly 2 Years on it now. It's based on SmartOS (Illumos/ former Opensolaris) and scales up to petabytes of capacity and to very high IOPS rates. But it's not only for datacenters as a cloud solution, we want to bring it to the homes. The interesting freepascal related part is that we used freepascal to develop our web application server and lazarus as the IDE. The server part is 100% freepascal code. Another thing is that as soon as we have the time to, we will also donate one of the business systems as new virtualisation platform for freepascal and lazarus related projects. If you are interested in the technical part or want to get a solution for yourself we would be very happy if you have a look at: http://igg.me/firmbox greets, helmut -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
