[Ldsoss] SSL Certificates

2006-09-13 Thread Kevin Wise
Does anybody know of an inexpensive (free would be good) alternative for 
SSL server certificates?  I know how to self-sign, but that requires my 
certificate authority certificate be installed as a trusted root CA in 
every browser that visits my site.  The process of installing a trusted 
root certificate isn't easy, and although I could probably create an 
installer for the certificate on Windows, I'm hesitant to do that until 
I've explored alternatives.  I'm hoping someone out there knows of a way 
to get a certificate signed by an authority that is already trusted by 
most browsers, without having to pay Verisign or Thawte several hundred 
dollars a year.  Some kind of non-profit exemption might do the trick, 
or perhaps someone who has set up free infrastructure to do the job.  
The solution to this particular problem need not be open source, so if 
anyone knows of a better source for this info, please let me know.


Kevin Wise
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Re: [Ldsoss] SSL Certificates

2006-09-13 Thread Richard K Miller


On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:04 AM, Kevin Wise wrote:

Does anybody know of an inexpensive (free would be good)  
alternative for SSL server certificates?  I know how to self-sign,  
but that requires my certificate authority certificate be installed  
as a trusted root CA in every browser that visits my site.  The  
process of installing a trusted root certificate isn't easy, and  
although I could probably create an installer for the certificate  
on Windows, I'm hesitant to do that until I've explored  
alternatives.  I'm hoping someone out there knows of a way to get a  
certificate signed by an authority that is already trusted by most  
browsers, without having to pay Verisign or Thawte several hundred  
dollars a year.  Some kind of non-profit exemption might do the  
trick, or perhaps someone who has set up free infrastructure to do  
the job.  The solution to this particular problem need not be open  
source, so if anyone knows of a better source for this info, please  
let me know.


I don't know of any open source options, but the best deals seem to  
be available when you search for ssl certificates (or something  
similar) and click on the Google ads.  Thawte runs a $99/year deal  
but I think it's only available if you click through the Google ad.   
At the time, GoDaddy is also advertising a Turbo SSL cert for  
$19.99/year.




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Re: [Ldsoss] SSL Certificates

2006-09-13 Thread Mac Newbold


Yesterday at 11:04pm, Kevin Wise said:

Does anybody know of an inexpensive (free would be good) alternative for SSL 
server certificates?


I'm hoping someone out there knows of a way to get a certificate signed by an 
authority that is already trusted by most browsers, without having to pay 
Verisign or Thawte several hundred dollars a year.


Because of the costs involved in running a certificate authority that is 
trustworthy, I don't know of any place that will do it for free, though you may 
be right about the non-profit thing though I've never seen a discount offered. 
For a CA to get trusted as a root in all the browsers, they've got to be 
reputable and do some validation of the info you submit before they sign a cert 
for you. It wouldn't do any good if anyone could go out and buy a cert that 
says www.paypal.com or something and have it be trusted by everyone. Many of 
the cheap places automate the process as much as possible, which is part of 
what lets them do it inexpensively.


Some kind of non-profit exemption might do the trick, or perhaps someone who 
has set up free infrastructure to do the job.  The solution to this 
particular problem need not be open source, so if anyone knows of a better 
source for this info, please let me know.


There are quite a few inexpensive places to get certificates signed. Richard 
already mentioned GoDaddy for about $20/year. I've never used them. I have used 
RapidSSL.com, InstantSSL.com, and FlexiSSL.com all with good results. I think 
the ones I've been getting lately have been about $24/year with FlexiSSL, with 
further discounts for multi-year orders. They also had a competitive upgrade 
deal where you could renew a cert from another provider for free for a year or 
something like that, or maybe it was buy one year get one free. GoDaddy might 
have some deals that bundle SSL with hosting and/or domain name registration 
too. I don't think any of the other SSL providers offer other services like 
hosting though. (Any cert you buy should be able to be hosted anywhere though.)


Almost any SSL cert that is signed by a trusted root will work just fine for 
your purposes. Be aware that chained certificates often come with more 
installation headaches (depends a lot on your hosting provider), but the cheap 
ones from flexissl aren't chained. The other consideration is if you (or your 
client, or your end users, or whoever matters) will want a site seal or 
something like that to paste on your page and let people verify that you're 
secure. Some of the cheap ones don't come with much in that regard, and 
sometimes you can buy it cheaply as an add-on if you want it. Some of them have 
different levels of seals too. If you don't care much about what it says, just 
make up your own image/logo that says your site is secure, and you'll get about 
the same thing.


Depending on your application, some hosting providers have a valid secure cert 
you can use for your stuff as long as you don't mind the URL including their 
domain name. Some place does something like 
https://www.securesites.net/yoursite/ but I don't remember who right now. That 
would be a way to do trusted SSL without paying an extra dime, but if you want 
your own domain name in there, it isn't an option.


Thanks,
Mac

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Re: [Ldsoss] SSL Certificates

2006-09-13 Thread Charles Fry
While not preloaded in all browsers, two free alternatives are:

   http://cert.startcom.org/
   http://www.cacert.org/

Charles

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 Subject: [Ldsoss] SSL Certificates
 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:04:21 -0700
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 Does anybody know of an inexpensive (free would be good) alternative for 
 SSL server certificates?  I know how to self-sign, but that requires my 
 certificate authority certificate be installed as a trusted root CA in 
 every browser that visits my site.  The process of installing a trusted 
 root certificate isn't easy, and although I could probably create an 
 installer for the certificate on Windows, I'm hesitant to do that until 
 I've explored alternatives.  I'm hoping someone out there knows of a way 
 to get a certificate signed by an authority that is already trusted by 
 most browsers, without having to pay Verisign or Thawte several hundred 
 dollars a year.  Some kind of non-profit exemption might do the trick, 
 or perhaps someone who has set up free infrastructure to do the job.  
 The solution to this particular problem need not be open source, so if 
 anyone knows of a better source for this info, please let me know.
 
 Kevin Wise
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