Re: [leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference San Francisco
Mike Noyes wrote: Everyone, I just signed up for a ESC exhibits only pass. Maybe a few of us could meet there. Get a free pass to ESC San Francisco at http://www.esconline.com/sf/freepass.htm There's an outside chance I might be at this show. A friend of mine and I are considering building an embedded Power-PC linux industrial controller, which may justify the time/expense to head out cross-country to the ESC (I'm in Kansas, a good ways from California!). I'll let everyone know with as much advance notice as possible if I'm actually going to be able to make it. -- Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference San Francisco
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 18:29, Larry Platzek wrote: > On 1 Mar 2003, Mike Noyes wrote: > > I just signed up for a ESC exhibits only pass. Maybe a few of us could > > meet there. > > Mike sounds good to me! I should be able bodied by that time ! Larry, This is good to hear. I'm glad you're recovering well. :-) We can decide which day to meet when the conference gets closer. Maybe I'll even get the SST ADM modified, so I can bring it to the show. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference San Francisco
On 1 Mar 2003, Mike Noyes wrote: > Date: 01 Mar 2003 07:13:23 -0800 > From: Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: leaf-devel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference San Francisco > > Everyone, > I just signed up for a ESC exhibits only pass. Maybe a few of us could > meet there. > > Get a free pass to ESC San Francisco at > http://www.esconline.com/sf/freepass.htm > > -- > Mike Noyes > http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ > http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ > Mike sounds good to me! I should be able bodied by that time ! OT: Managed to *WALK* DeAnza's fleamarket today! Not wheelchair! I may have been slow but still managed to walk the whole thing! Larry Platzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference San Francisco
Everyone, I just signed up for a ESC exhibits only pass. Maybe a few of us could meet there. Get a free pass to ESC San Francisco at http://www.esconline.com/sf/freepass.htm -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 2002-02-08 08:08 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On 17 Mar 02, at 6:01, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > I'm still looking at ways to make a solid-state flash disk for > > "everyman" that would let you do away with floppies. > >Aren't there CompactFlash USB-based "pen readers" that you can >just stick into a USB socket and use as a drive these days? David, I think only a small subset of these devices are useable as a boot medium. Is anyone working on USB boot support? Create a boot disk for the USB hard disk drive http://www.netcologne.de/~nc-reisinjo/datafab/usbboot.html -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
On 17 Mar 02, at 6:01, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > I like the Power-PC based stuff. If (more like when) the company I'm > currently working for craters, I'm thinking about designing/building a PPC > based embedded system that would run LEAF (or some variant). What about using the Yellow Briq Node? Full PowerPC in a 5.25" drive bay > I'm still looking at ways to make a solid-state flash disk for "everyman" > that would let you do away with floppies. Aren't there CompactFlash USB-based "pen readers" that you can just stick into a USB socket and use as a drive these days? ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: >>He suggested finding an unused line on a UART. Typical routers don't use >>their parallel ports for much, so I suppose you could toggle a bit on the >>parport (I remember suggesting to Mike that Charles would be able to >>consider the feasibility of this idea, based on his work with > > parallel-port > >>LCDs). And I2C might be able to do this too ... I don't really know about >>that one. >> >>That said, it still *sounds* like software WP, even though there is a >>hardware element involved. If the remote connection is compromised, then > > so > >>is security. He suggested you could find or create a protocol with >>acceptably low risk of compromise ... but if this were true as a general >>matter, we wouldn't be worrying about system penetrations, right? > > > Right. It's still software based write-protection, and someone with full > access to the box can reverse engineer the setup pretty easily. Ok I get it now. I should have read this before my last question a minute or two ago. Thanks, Matt ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
Mike Noyes wrote: > > They had a price list. It was about $1,200 for a 3 NIC setup. ^ Heh, no wonder why they were so helpful :) Matthew > Really nice modular design though. > http://62.16.193.211/products/busless/busless.asp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
Mike Noyes wrote: > At 2002-03-16 13:39 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote: > >> That sounds like software WP. Am I missing something? > > > Matt, > We talked to him about ten minutes before your arrival. From what I > understood of the conversation, he was suggesting the use of a free > port/signal line (parallel and serial ports were discussed) on the > motherboard to switch the state on the ADM. This is still hardware > based, but is now switchable using a remote interface. His remote > software authentication suggestion was snmp or pgp based. I still don't see how the state of WP would persist after a reboot. By what electrical connection does the free port/signal line talk to the ADM? Over the IDE cable? I don't see any other way of getting the signal to the ADM. Just curious. Matthew > Provided a consultant has the router installed on a customers site: This > solution has the advantage of removing/eliminating the possibility the > local user/customer would render their installation inoperable. It does > pose security concerns though. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 11:28 AM 3/16/02 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: [...] >Ray, >Kent Meyer was doing a Linux demo (Virtual Lab) at the Tri-M booth. >Pigeon Point Systems >http://pigeonpoint.com/ [...] Oh, right. We were not discussing the WP project, except tangentially. What he and I were talking about, in fairly compressed shorthand, was the feasibility of building a decent embedded distribution without relying on specialized, commercial embedded Linux packages from (for example) Red Hat, Lineo, Monta Vista, and LynuxWorks. Not surprisingly, we shared the view that doing this was quite straightforward, for reasons the more active developers here already understand ... plus the advantage that tying yourself to a well-maintained standard distro (like Debian, though the other biggies are probably almost as good) simplifies keeping up to date with security patches, because it is easy to piggyback on their updates. This is how he does his own embedded distro (I think he said he builds off Red Hat, but that's just a detail). -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
> He suggested finding an unused line on a UART. Typical routers don't use > their parallel ports for much, so I suppose you could toggle a bit on the > parport (I remember suggesting to Mike that Charles would be able to > consider the feasibility of this idea, based on his work with parallel-port > LCDs). And I2C might be able to do this too ... I don't really know about > that one. > > That said, it still *sounds* like software WP, even though there is a > hardware element involved. If the remote connection is compromised, then so > is security. He suggested you could find or create a protocol with > acceptably low risk of compromise ... but if this were true as a general > matter, we wouldn't be worrying about system penetrations, right? Right. It's still software based write-protection, and someone with full access to the box can reverse engineer the setup pretty easily. As root, there's no need to figure out any nasty authentication, only which bits to toggle to enable writing. Of course, you'd still have security by obscurity, and most folks wouldn't really try that hard to crack the system, but it's not fundamentally a lot more secure than no write protection, primarily since the code to enable/disable WP is resident on the box, so it's just a matter of how long it takes the intruder to find it, then figure out what it does. I personally like the idea of a hardware switch. Even if you've got a remote box (let's say you're a consultant and the box is at a client site). A quick call to the client to "flip the switch" helps give them a good feeling, and prepares them for your next bill ;-) If it's absolutely essential to have remotely configurable write-protect, I'd probably try to tie it into a seperate system (perhaps part of a remote maintainence system that could include other features like serial port console connections to the systems in question, remote control of AC power for those times when a hard-reset is needed, etc). In addition to being able to diddle the WP setting, you can also do most any required disaster recovery (assuming no hardware failures and the BIOS has serial-console re-direction). This sort of application is one of the things I'd like to see LEAF grow into supporting...I'm rapidly approaching the point where I need a serial port terminal server to use as a cheap, remotely accessable KVM switch for all my linux boxes. Yes, I run ssh, but you can select an emergency boot partition with a serial console...kind of hard to do with ssh, at least until they patch ssh support into grub or lilo ;-) Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
On Saturday 16 March 2002 16:06, Mike Noyes wrote: > Matt, > We talked to him about ten minutes before your arrival. From what I > understood of the conversation, he was suggesting the use of a free > port/signal line (parallel and serial ports were discussed) on the > motherboard to switch the state on the ADM. This is still hardware > based, but is now switchable using a remote interface. His remote > software authentication suggestion was snmp or pgp based. I think what we are hoping for is a jack for a mouted switch (either internal or external) to turn the WP on or off manually. It would be nice to be able to do it remotely, but in all cases that is no better than deleting the "mount" command during init. PGP is supposed to be dropped from development now (open source anyway). GPG would probably be better, but if going that route, maybe RSA/DSA would be the most secure route. -- ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net http://leaf.sourceforge.net If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question! ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 01:39 PM 3/16/02 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote: [...] >> I forgot all about this gentleman's suggestion. Thanks for reminding me. >> His idea was the only other possibility given to us for enable/disable >> of the WP function on the ADM. > > >That sounds like software WP. Am I missing something? Yes. Not surprisingly, given how sketchy my description was. It's more like remote APM control ... you use (for example) an ssh connection to "throw" the (physical) WP switch. Exactly how to do this was vague. He suggested finding an unused line on a UART. Typical routers don't use their parallel ports for much, so I suppose you could toggle a bit on the parport (I remember suggesting to Mike that Charles would be able to consider the feasibility of this idea, based on his work with parallel-port LCDs). And I2C might be able to do this too ... I don't really know about that one. That said, it still *sounds* like software WP, even though there is a hardware element involved. If the remote connection is compromised, then so is security. He suggested you could find or create a protocol with acceptably low risk of compromise ... but if this were true as a general matter, we wouldn't be worrying about system penetrations, right? -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 2002-03-16 13:52 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote: >The one thing totally new and appealing to me was called PC-MIP, I think. > >Check that out here: http://www.menmicro.com/ > >I forgot to post that in my previous summary of sites, because >rather than giving me more dead trees, they gave me a CD shaped >like a business card, which got lost in the pages of another >catalog. Matt, That's who I thought you were talking about when you mentioned Tech Marketing Associates (TMA). see out of order quote below. > It's a new form factor modular hardware spec I think. All kinds >of neat devices come in MIP format. They were really excited to >show me their basic boards with lots of MIP sockets so you can piece >together your own product. I couldn't gather what that would >cost, but the format was nifty and the range of possibilities >was really impressive. They had a price list. It was about $1,200 for a 3 NIC setup. Really nice modular design though. http://62.16.193.211/products/busless/busless.asp At 2002-03-16 09:58 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: >At 2002-03-15 23:01 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote: >>Tech Marketing Associates, Inc., http://www.techmarketing.com/ has >>the SC-13 micro standalone board and similar. > >These boards are PowerPC based, and are very expensive. However, they have >a very nice modular design. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 2002-03-16 13:39 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote: >Mike Noyes wrote: >>At 2002-03-16 10:49 -0800, Ray Olszewski wrote: >>>Was this the guy who was talking about using a dedicated port to >>>send a remote signal to turn WP on or off? If so, he was describing >>>a system that would work, but that still had potential security >>>risks, just novel ones ... >> >>I forgot all about this gentleman's suggestion. Thanks for reminding >>me. His idea was the only other possibility given to us for >>enable/disable of the WP function on the ADM. > > >That sounds like software WP. Am I missing something? Matt, We talked to him about ten minutes before your arrival. From what I understood of the conversation, he was suggesting the use of a free port/signal line (parallel and serial ports were discussed) on the motherboard to switch the state on the ADM. This is still hardware based, but is now switchable using a remote interface. His remote software authentication suggestion was snmp or pgp based. Provided a consultant has the router installed on a customers site: This solution has the advantage of removing/eliminating the possibility the local user/customer would render their installation inoperable. It does pose security concerns though. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > > I like the Power-PC based stuff. If (more like when) the company I'm > currently working for craters, I'm thinking about designing/building a PPC > based embedded system that would run LEAF (or some variant). I've currently > got a guy interested in some web-enabled data-loggers, with the potential to > possibly move up into PLC's eventually. I'm kind of partial to the IBM 4xx > series, myself (rather than the Motorola 8xxx), but their stuff still looked > neat. The one thing totally new and appealing to me was called PC-MIP, I think. Check that out here: http://www.menmicro.com/ I forgot to post that in my previous summary of sites, because rather than giving me more dead trees, they gave me a CD shaped like a business card, which got lost in the pages of another catalog. It's a new form factor modular hardware spec I think. All kinds of neat devices come in MIP format. They were really excited to show me their basic boards with lots of MIP sockets so you can piece together your own product. I couldn't gather what that would cost, but the format was nifty and the range of possibilities was really impressive. Regards, Matthew ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
Mike Noyes wrote: > At 2002-03-16 10:49 -0800, Ray Olszewski wrote: > >> At 09:58 AM 3/16/02 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: > Ray, > Kent Meyer was doing a Linux demo (Virtual Lab) at the Tri-M booth. > Pigeon Point Systems > http://pigeonpoint.com/ > >> Was this the guy who was talking about using a dedicated port to send a >> remote signal to turn WP on or off? If so, he was describing a system >> that would work, but that still had potential security risks, just >> novel ones ... > I forgot all about this gentleman's suggestion. Thanks for reminding me. > His idea was the only other possibility given to us for enable/disable > of the WP function on the ADM. That sounds like software WP. Am I missing something? Matthew ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
OK...I'm officially jelous. I guess that's what I get for living in a land-locked state like Kansas. We never have any of the good conventions locally :< > Quite a few people, and the > Microsoft recruiter looked bored :) Yeah, at Microsoft, I think they burn your eyes out if you ever even glance at GPL'd code ;-) > > Interesting hardware: I like the Power-PC based stuff. If (more like when) the company I'm currently working for craters, I'm thinking about designing/building a PPC based embedded system that would run LEAF (or some variant). I've currently got a guy interested in some web-enabled data-loggers, with the potential to possibly move up into PLC's eventually. I'm kind of partial to the IBM 4xx series, myself (rather than the Motorola 8xxx), but their stuff still looked neat. I'm still looking at ways to make a solid-state flash disk for "everyman" that would let you do away with floppies. Using a CD-Rom and putting a flash on a NIC boot-prom socket should work, I just never seem to find the time to do development stuff anymore... Glad you all got a chance to hook up, and appreciate the reports...maybe I'll get out to the west cost again someday. You never know...if I really get it together, I may even find the time to build another BattleBot and find myself in San Francisco again. Mike helped me a lot the last time I was out there...I've got some team photos of the two of us...I'll have to scan them and get them online. You can see a tiny version at the battle-bots site (Mike's on the left, and I'm on the right): http://www.battlebots.com/meet_the_robots/meet_team_profile.asp?id=506 Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 2002-03-16 10:49 -0800, Ray Olszewski wrote: >At 09:58 AM 3/16/02 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: >[...] > > > >Prior to your arrival, Ray, Larry, and I met Kent Meyer of Pigeon > >Point Systems. He was very interested in our project. Ray seemed to > >understand what he was doing with his demo, so I'll let Ray explain > >it. >[...] > >I regret to admit that my understanding outshines my memory, especially >the very fragile section of my memory where I store the names of people >and companies. I don't recall which presentation the Pigeon Point >Systems one was. Refresh my recollection a bit ... privately or here, >as you prefer ... >and I'll be glad to attempt a summary. Ray, Kent Meyer was doing a Linux demo (Virtual Lab) at the Tri-M booth. Pigeon Point Systems http://pigeonpoint.com/ >Was this the guy who was talking about using a dedicated port to send a >remote signal to turn WP on or off? If so, he was describing a system >that would work, but that still had potential security risks, just >novel ones ... >the sort of solution that would work great as long as it was rare, but >that would be as hackable as any halfway decent remote solution if >there were enough systems around to catch the interest of the >appropriate people. I forgot all about this gentleman's suggestion. Thanks for reminding me. His idea was the only other possibility given to us for enable/disable of the WP function on the ADM. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 09:58 AM 3/16/02 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: [...] > >Prior to your arrival, Ray, Larry, and I met Kent Meyer of Pigeon Point >Systems. He was very interested in our project. Ray seemed to understand >what he was doing with his demo, so I'll let Ray explain it. [...] I regret to admit that my understanding outshines my memory, especially the very fragile section of my memory where I store the names of people and companies. I don't recall which presentation the Pigeon Point Systems one was. Refresh my recollection a bit ... privately or here, as you prefer ... and I'll be glad to attempt a summary. Was this the guy who was talking about using a dedicated port to send a remote signal to turn WP on or off? If so, he was describing a system that would work, but that still had potential security risks, just novel ones ... the sort of solution that would work great as long as it was rare, but that would be as hackable as any halfway decent remote solution if there were enough systems around to catch the interest of the appropriate people. Or am I remembering the wrong discussion? -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
Anyone see the (minature) write on Coyote in 2600? Interesting - though odd that they wouldn't mention the Free versions (aside from LRP). ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 2002-03-15 23:01 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote: >Mike Noyes wrote: >>Everyone, >>This is a summary of yesterdays browsing of ESC. >>I had a good time, and I met Ray, Larry, and Matt. > > >Well that's a meager summary :) Matt, I'm not very good at conference reports, and my ability to describe people is abysmal. Sorry. :-( Prior to your arrival, Ray, Larry, and I met Kent Meyer of Pigeon Point Systems. He was very interested in our project. Ray seemed to understand what he was doing with his demo, so I'll let Ray explain it. > First of all, Mikes a riot. He was non-stop joking >with the exhibitors and us. They loved it. His >reserved tone here on the lists belies his great sense >of humor. If any of you saw his mug-shot the other >day, don't go by that alone. He's great fun to be around, >and the picture was the one he used in his Battle Bots ID. >Now that's a good game face :-) I particularly liked the >computer-geek, two-piece, matching Addidas sweats he wore. >Very styling and very nice to meet Mike. Thanks for the kind words. :-) >>We talked with the SST people. It looks like modification of the ADM to >>enable WP is possible. I'll keep everyone updated on the progress. > >I made sure to point out to any flash people I could that >nobody make one with hardware write protect. Maybe that >will change in the future. I was surprised to see how >small Mikes ADM was. It was tiny! Barely any room to >do any mods, and the missing R8 is just large enough for >your average surface mount resistor, miniture. Finding >a ground that Mike can solder to might be a little tricky. > >>Interesting hardware: >>Amer http://www.amer.com/catalogue/iac/firewall.html >> * FW-2100 >> * FW-500 >> * FW-500ME >> * EM-561B >> * EM-551 >>ICP America http://www.icpamerica.com/ >> * NOVA-7897 (no info on web site yet) >> Dual Gigabit LAN, and 4x 10/100Mbps LAN > >Verslogic, http://www.versalogic.com/ has some nice PC/104 boards. Added link to their VL-CFA-1 CompactFlash Adapter http://www.versalogic.com/Products/DS.asp?ProductID=108 >TechnoLand, http://www.technoland.com/ has the 755-3L PC/104 board >that has 3 10/100 lan adapters builtin and a 600 MHz Crusoe chip. Added link to their TL-EmbSBC 755-3L http://www.technoland.com/tl_embsbc755_3l.htm >Smart Modular Technologies, http://www.smartmodulartech.com/ has >some nice CF cards, though they don't have write protect. I requested >that they make some :) These drives are nice, but they're expensive. >Integrated Memory Logic, http://www.iml-inc.com/ has some great flash >storage chips, very small, and they seemed happy to make some that >would have hardware write protect switches on the circuit board. >Steve Kang, Sr. Director, [EMAIL PROTECTED], in Campbell, Calif. Added link to their IML CardDISK. http://www.iml-inc.com/product/carddisk.html >Arbor Solution, Inc., http://www.arborsolution.com/ has all kinds of >PC/104 and mini boards. There must have been one with 3 nics on >it, but my notes are a mess :) Calvin Chang, Director of Marketing, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] The only 3 nic board I found used a back plane. Does anyone configure back plane based systems with our releases/branches? http://www.arbor.com.tw/products/sbc/hicore-i6320.htm >Amer, http://www.amer.com/ makes mini boards meant for firewalls with >3 onboard nics, like their EM-561B, 1U cases, and all kinds of nifty >stuff. You visited their booth before Ray, Larry, and I did. They remembered you. :-) Their products were the best we saw. Nice complete boxes at a relatively inexpensive price point. They are perfect for our use. They are going to check the FCC class on the FW-500 and FW-500ME. >Tech Marketing Associates, Inc., http://www.techmarketing.com/ has >the SC-13 micro standalone board and similar. These boards are PowerPC based, and are very expensive. However, they have a very nice modular design. >ICOP Technology, Inc. http://www.icoptech.com/ has loads of mini >boards, PC/104, Mighty Mite, etc. Quite a bit there, fanless, too. Nice 104 stuff, but nothing specifically designed for our use. >That's about it. Hope someone finds this useful, someone with $$ >I guess :) Very nice summary of the conference. Thanks for passing on the information that I missed. I guess I should keep notes next time. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
On Saturday 16 March 2002 01:01, Matt Schalit wrote: > Mike Noyes wrote: > > Everyone, > > This is a summary of yesterdays browsing of ESC. > > > > I had a good time, and I met Ray, Larry, and Matt. > > Well that's a meager summary :) Mike and Matt, Thanks for the summaries and links to products. I interested in finding some of this stuff, though my $$$ are pretty lacking right now. The Crusoe boards sound great if I can find some with 2+ ethernet under $500I'll check with the linked companies, they sound rather promising! There is always something nice about meeting someone you've never seen after years of communication, with I could have gone myself ;-) -- ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net http://leaf.sourceforge.net If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question! ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
Mike Noyes wrote: > Everyone, > This is a summary of yesterdays browsing of ESC. > > I had a good time, and I met Ray, Larry, and Matt. Well that's a meager summary :) First of all, Mikes a riot. He was non-stop joking with the exhibitors and us. They loved it. His reserved tone here on the lists belies his great sense of humor. If any of you saw his mug-shot the other day, don't go by that alone. He's great fun to be around, and the picture was the one he used in his Battle Bots ID. Now that's a good game face :-) I particularly liked the computer-geek, two-piece, matching Addidas sweats he wore. Very styling and very nice to meet Mike. So I'm a deadhead, but here comes Ray with longer hair than me, down to his shoulders :-) I got a kick out of that. As you'd imagine from his posts, Ray's also friendly and funny, too. Very nice to meet Ray. I also got a chance to meet Larry Platzec who was another kind soul and funny guy with lots of neat things to say. You had to like the computer geek backpack he had on. I almost brought my own :) Very nice to meet Larry, too. We all met up near the Nat Semi booth and worked our way around the two halls looking for leads on flash storage and mini boards like the PC/104 type. I should have brought my disposable camera, but I forgot it. I figure the place looked like any other computer convention. Quite a few people, and the Microsoft recruiter looked bored :) > We talked with the SST people. It looks like modification of the ADM to > enable WP is possible. I'll keep everyone updated on the progress. I made sure to point out to any flash people I could that nobody make one with hardware write protect. Maybe that will change in the future. I was surprised to see how small Mikes ADM was. It was tiny! Barely any room to do any mods, and the missing R8 is just large enough for your average surface mount resistor, miniture. Finding a ground that Mike can solder to might be a little tricky. > Interesting hardware: > > Amer http://www.amer.com/catalogue/iac/firewall.html > * FW-2100 > * FW-500 > * FW-500ME > * EM-561B > * EM-551 > > ICP America http://www.icpamerica.com/ > * NOVA-7897 (no info on web site yet) > Dual Gigabit LAN, and 4x 10/100Mbps LAN Verslogic, http://www.versalogic.com/ has some nice PC/104 boards. TechnoLand, http://www.technoland.com/ has the 755-3L PC/104 board that has 3 10/100 lan adapters builtin and a 600 MHz Crusoe chip. Smart Modular Technologies, http://www.smartmodulartech.com/ has some nice CF cards, though they don't have write protect. I requested that they make some :) Integrated Memory Logic, http://www.iml-inc.com/ has some great flash storage chips, very small, and they seemed happy to make some that would have hardware write protect switches on the circuit board. Steve Kang, Sr. Director, [EMAIL PROTECTED], in Campbell, Calif. Arbor Solution, Inc., http://www.arborsolution.com/ has all kinds of PC/104 and mini boards. There must have been one with 3 nics on it, but my notes are a mess :) Calvin Chang, Director of Marketing, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amer, http://www.amer.com/ makes mini boards meant for firewalls with 3 onboard nics, like their EM-561B, 1U cases, and all kinds of nifty stuff. Tech Marketing Associates, Inc., http://www.techmarketing.com/ has the SC-13 micro standalone board and similar. ICOP Technology, Inc. http://www.icoptech.com/ has loads of mini boards, PC/104, Mighty Mite, etc. Quite a bit there, fanless, too. That's about it. Hope someone finds this useful, someone with $$ I guess :) Regards, Matthew ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 2002-03-15 07:12 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: >ICP America http://www.icpamerica.com/ > * NOVA-7897 (no info on web site yet) > Dual Gigabit LAN, and 4x 10/100Mbps LAN I forgot the ISS-102. http://www.icpamerica.com/iss_102.php I'm looking over the ELC Destiny meeting information to see if it may effect us. http://embedded-linux.org/ -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
Everyone, This is a summary of yesterdays browsing of ESC. I had a good time, and I met Ray, Larry, and Matt. We talked with the SST people. It looks like modification of the ADM to enable WP is possible. I'll keep everyone updated on the progress. Interesting hardware: Amer http://www.amer.com/catalogue/iac/firewall.html * FW-2100 * FW-500 * FW-500ME * EM-561B * EM-551 ICP America http://www.icpamerica.com/ * NOVA-7897 (no info on web site yet) Dual Gigabit LAN, and 4x 10/100Mbps LAN -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 2002-03-10 08:25 -0800, Ray Olszewski wrote: >At 06:39 AM 3/10/02 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: > >Matt & Ray, > >The ELC is having a Destiny meeting on the 12th at 6:30PM. > >http://www.embedded-linux.org/ > >Perhaps we should move this discussion off the list. But I know there >are other Bay Area (and Northern Cal generally) folks here, so possibly >the more distant members will tolerate a bit of (to them) irrelevance >so we can cover all the bases. Everyone, If you have an objection to this region specific thread let me know. >I reviewed the printed schedule and found that the only full day of >exhibit availability is Thursday (March 14). The exhibits are not even >open on Tuesday (March 12), the day of the ELC meeting, and I'm not likely >to go up to SF twice. So for it it will be a choice between Wednesday and >Thursday, with Thursday the current favorite. Ray, Ugh, I just looked at my exhibits pass, and you're correct. I won't make two trips either. Thursday sounds good to me. I want to talk with the SST and PQI people. To facilitate recognition of me, I placed a mug shot here: http://pnoyes.home.mindspring.com/ >If anyone does go to the ELC meeting, a report here (or perhaps on >leaf-user) about it would be interesting to all of us, I think. I second this suggestion. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
At 06:39 AM 3/10/02 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: [...] >>Will there be a main presentation that everybody goes to? I >>read about the workshops in the program, >> >> http://www.esconline.com/sf/program.htm >> [...] >Matt & Ray, >The ELC is having a Destiny meeting on the 12th at 6:30PM. >http://www.embedded-linux.org/ Perhaps we should move this discussion off the list. But I know there are other Bay Area (and Northern Cal generally) folks here, so possibly the more distant members will tolerate a bit of (to them) irrelevance so we can cover all the bases. I want to the show last year as a paid attendee. Alas, not this year -- that employer went bust, and being between jobs imposes a degree of frugality inconsistent with paying the fees. In any case, while the paid sessions have real value, I'm doubtful that they really have as much value as their cost. I reviewed the printed schedule and found that the only full day of exhibit availability is Thursday (March 14). The exhibits are not even open on Tuesday (March 12), the day of the ELC meeting, and I'm not likely to go up to SF twice. So for it it will be a choice between Wednesday and Thursday, with Thursday the current favorite. If anyone does go to the ELC meeting, a report here (or perhaps on leaf-user) about it would be interesting to all of us, I think. -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
Subject was: Re: [Leaf-devel] TS-req-HowTo / How Do I Request Help? At 2002-03-10 02:31 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote: >Ray Olszewski wrote: >>BTW, Matt, what day are you going to the ESC next week (if you've decided >>yet)? > >So the short answer is, any day it's not sunny :) > >But seriously, I've never been to one of these, so I don't >really know what my goal should be. I know it's three days. >Will there be a main presentation that everybody goes to? I >read about the workshops in the program, > > http://www.esconline.com/sf/program.htm > >and the array of topics being covered is staggering. If somebody >really jumped into this full bore, they'd come out really big. > >I could find things to go to, all day every day, but that'd be >like $3000. So I guess it's exhibits. Matt & Ray, The ELC is having a Destiny meeting on the 12th at 6:30PM. http://www.embedded-linux.org/ -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference (was: [Fwd: [BusyBox] BusyBox 0.51 released])
At 06:31 PM 4/10/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: ... >I'll be at the Embedded Systems Conference in San Francisco most of the day >tomorrow. I'll stop by the Lineo booth. I want to see if they'll part with >a CD of their new Embedix 2.0 SDK. It seems that I too will be there tomorrow (Mike - train 47). I'm even signed up for Erik's talk on Thursday, though circumstances may force me to miss it. -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference (was: [Fwd: [BusyBox] BusyBox 0.51released])
David Douthitt, 2001-04-10 17:31 -0500 >Thought you all might like to see this. > >I especially thought I heard some of you were going to be at this >conference he mentions at the end... Go visit! David & Everyone else, I'll be at the Embedded Systems Conference in San Francisco most of the day tomorrow. I'll stop by the Lineo booth. I want to see if they'll part with a CD of their new Embedix 2.0 SDK. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Embedded Systems Conference
All San Francisco Bay Area LEAF Developers, I'm attending the Embedded Systems Conference in San Francisco on Wed. the 11th at the Moscone Center. If you have the time and are in the area stop by. I have an extra free pass for the exhibits for anyone that wants it. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
