Re: religious concerns

2003-07-14 Thread John Cowan
Markus Kuhn scripsit:

  http://www.sabbatarian.com/Dateline.html

 It seems, the true quarrel of this particular community is more with the
 Earth not being flat any more (as it obviously was when the Old
 Testament was written) ...

That seems to me by no means a sound criticism.  Given the writer of
the above page's relative values, it is indeed sensible for him to urge
that the International Date Line be moved to the meridian of Jerusalem,
and there are no arguments against this except sheer convention.

He does not appear to quite recognize that the IDL is a product of local
decisions rather than international agreement, but this is excusable.
He gets the more fundamental points correct:  the existing IDL is purely
conventional, the historical Sabbath is Saturday, the earth is round
and rotates.

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Re: religious concerns

2003-07-13 Thread Steve Allen
On Sun 2003-07-13T09:17:11 +0100, Markus Kuhn hath writ:
 I haven't seen any proposal here so far that would turn day into
 night.

TI without leaps turns day into night, and my point is that the
agrarian masses of the world and their legislatures may not be
beholden to the ITU messing around with the way their great
grandchildren will tend their cows.

Unfortunately, we don't really have any proposals.  We have a lot of
internally generated hypothetical scenarios based on vague hints from
the SRG devoid of technical or social details and rationale.

At this point I prefer to await the results of the IAU GA meetings of
Division I and Commission 31, or some other new external input, before
hypothecating much further.

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Re: religious concerns

2003-07-12 Thread Markus Kuhn
Steve Allen wrote on 2003-07-12 00:56 UTC:
 On Fri 2003-07-11T12:11:10 -0700, Rob Seaman hath writ:
  It may be that not a single religious sect anywhere on
  the globe will care about the secularization (pun intended) of the
  world's clocks.

 Profuse excuses begged for entering pedant mode, but
 I offer these folks as a likely counterexample

 http://www.sabbatarian.com/Dateline.html

It seems, the true quarrel of this particular community is more with the
Earth not being flat any more (as it obviously was when the Old
Testament was written) ...

http://www.flat-earth.org/
http://www.cca.org/woc/felfat/

Markus

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