[LU] Leeds vs Ipswich match facts from the BBC
MATCH FACTS Head-to-head • Leeds have won 25 and Ipswich 17 of the 57 league meetings between these clubs. • Ipswich won 2-1 at Elland Road in October, so a victory on Saturday would complete the club's first league 'double' over Leeds since the 1981/82 season. Leeds • A victory for Leeds would take the number of league points they have won under boss Simon Grayson past the 200 mark, to 201. • United have picked up an unrivalled 16 points this season from matches in which they conceded more than one goal. • Grayson's side, who have had 260 shots on target this term, have been shown more cards in Championship matches than any other team (70 yellow, three red). • Alex Bruce and Richard Naylor could face their former club. Ipswich • Ipswich have won only one of their last five games. • They are yet to win a league match this season without scoring more than one goal, but have won all the games in which they have scored more than once. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] LU: Ipswich Game
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/leedsleedsleeds Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:18:14 + From: mick.robin...@miq.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] LU: Ipswich Game Does anyone have an audio link please? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Loan players
We have almost £130k a week of premiership contract loan players playing against us today. If rumours are correct Dyer is on £85k a week at West Ham and Bullard on £45k at Hull. Also when you look at Cardiff with £90k a week Bellamy and Koumas on a decent wage I cant help thinking its cheating particularly in Cardiffs case as they were in financial trouble! Obviously these clubs are paying a fraction of their actual wages. Im sure Obrian and McCarthy are on more realistic wages and we paid a decent % ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Ipswich
I suppose we were due a goalless draw and a clean sheet is always welcome these days but it still doesn’t take away the fact that this was a poor game with little goal mouth incident. I think we’re a bit stale at home, Grayson has stumbled on this 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 depending on your view and now seems intent on sticking to it stubbornly. Why not ? The first time we abandoned it we got thrashed at Swansea, however I think at home the system at times doesn’t serve us well. Today, we just seemed to lack the ability to get behind the Ipswich defence and on the few occasions we did our final ball was shocking. I think Ipswich were lively and for the first 15 minutes they looked the better side. In almost the first attack the ball was played over the top, Bromby was watching the clouds and their man was through, he should have scored. It was very similar to Donny. Terrible defending. The defending didn’t improve much throughout the half, we looked very , very shaky. They’ve got some decent players who are lively, can pass and keep possession. This frustrated us and with our inability to pass a simple ball at times and a hapless ref who gave us very little we never really looked like winning the game despite lots of possession. I think the main problems today were that Paynter was too isolated in the system. Snodgrass had an off day and the lively Gradel was just asked to do too much. He looked like our only chance of winning today and he went close with 2 early long shots , one of which was saved well by their keeper. Howson wasn’t sure whether he was in midfield or supporting Paynter and in the end actually did neither well until he was subbed later on in the second half. I think Johnson sat in front of the defence is fine when we’re under the cosh but in a game like this I think it’s a bit of a luxury , like playing 3 central defenders leaving Kilkenny with all the work to do in midfield. First half he struggled but to his credit I thought he had a really good second half but with Becchio replacing Paynter it was like for like , Becchio playing with his back to goal and not really given any different options. It was crying out for Somma – he was stripped and ready to come on at 85 minutes but Grayson fannied around and probably realised that a point wasn’t a bad result because Ipswich actually pushed forward for the winner with Jason Scotland coming on and looking dangerous. I think at this stage of the season we might as well go for it, Grayson can be a bit steady sometimes. I think the Ipswich defence were pretty decent today. They were big lads and weren’t going to get ruffed up by Paynter direct approach and although Paynter won a lot in the air first half he never had the support so was pretty ineffective. I think Somma would have given them something to think about and would have got beyond them. I’m still convinced that Somma is our best attacking option even in Grayson’s 4-5-1. What else is there to say ? Nothing , it was pretty painful to watch: Kasper – 7. Nowt to do really, one save first half and came and claimed the ball well throughout. Eric – 8. Possible our best player today. Defended well and was our best attacking option at times in the second half, combining well with Snodgrass on one attack to be through on goal. His cross let him down though. He could have scored himself. McCartney – 7. I think Grayson has been working on his defence, telling him to get in their first and not back off. He did that ok today but didn’t get forward as much . O’Brien – 7. I thought he did well today. I’ve been a bit worried recently but I thought he was much improved today. He had to be with Bromby around in the first half. Bromby – 5. Bambi on ice first half, all over the shop and can’t pass a ball to save his life. To his credit he improved second half and had a few good moments. Not sure he is the answer though. Johnson – 7. Had a really good first half, just sat at the back, winning headers , collecting the ball and playing it off and also playing a couple of long creative passes. As always with Johnson you have to suffer the other side of his game. The 5 yard pass that goes astray, the miscontrol of a simple ball and the over ambition shots. Still he did ok today. Kilkenny – 7. I thought he struggled first half but was our most creative player second. He got stronger and stronger as the game went on. Snodgrass – 6. Not his usual self today. I think Ipswich made sure there was a least 2 men on him every time he got the ball. He looked a yard short today. Gradel – 8. Not his best game but still our most lively player up front. Paynter – 6. There’s no doubt about it he’s a better player that Becchio – he wins headers and actually directs them to his own players, he can control a ball and lay it off with ease and he is strong in the tackle and challenge without falling over and losing the
Re: [LU] Ipswich
Thanks for report fella, couldn't get audio until last 20 mins, damned Middle East uprisings etc. maybe. At least other results went OK, hope Norwich and Cardiff screw it up tomorrow, at least Burnley did nothing. Could have done with those extra 2 points IMO but mustn't grumble. Andy Pyzer Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 19:28:26 + From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk To: barbaravi...@gmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Ipswich I suppose we were due a goalless draw and a clean sheet is always welcome these days but it still doesn’t take away the fact that this was a poor game with little goal mouth incident. I think we’re a bit stale at home, Grayson has stumbled on this 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 depending on your view and now seems intent on sticking to it stubbornly. Why not ? The first time we abandoned it we got thrashed at Swansea, however I think at home the system at times doesn’t serve us well. Today, we just seemed to lack the ability to get behind the Ipswich defence and on the few occasions we did our final ball was shocking. I think Ipswich were lively and for the first 15 minutes they looked the better side. In almost the first attack the ball was played over the top, Bromby was watching the clouds and their man was through, he should have scored. It was very similar to Donny. Terrible defending. The defending didn’t improve much throughout the half, we looked very , very shaky. They’ve got some decent players who are lively, can pass and keep possession. This frustrated us and with our inability to pass a simple ball at times and a hapless ref who gave us very little we never really looked like winning the game despite lots of possession. I think the main problems today were that Paynter was too isolated in the system. Snodgrass had an off day and the lively Gradel was just asked to do too much. He looked like our only chance of winning today and he went close with 2 early long shots , one of which was saved well by their keeper. Howson wasn’t sure whether he was in midfield or supporting Paynter and in the end actually did neither well until he was subbed later on in the second half. I think Johnson sat in front of the defence is fine when we’re under the cosh but in a game like this I think it’s a bit of a luxury , like playing 3 central defenders leaving Kilkenny with all the work to do in midfield. First half he struggled but to his credit I thought he had a really good second half but with Becchio replacing Paynter it was like for like , Becchio playing with his back to goal and not really given any different options. It was crying out for Somma – he was stripped and ready to come on at 85 minutes but Grayson fannied around and probably realised that a point wasn’t a bad result because Ipswich actually pushed forward for the winner with Jason Scotland coming on and looking dangerous. I think at this stage of the season we might as well go for it, Grayson can be a bit steady sometimes. I think the Ipswich defence were pretty decent today. They were big lads and weren’t going to get ruffed up by Paynter direct approach and although Paynter won a lot in the air first half he never had the support so was pretty ineffective. I think Somma would have given them something to think about and would have got beyond them. I’m still convinced that Somma is our best attacking option even in Grayson’s 4-5-1. What else is there to say ? Nothing , it was pretty painful to watch: Kasper – 7. Nowt to do really, one save first half and came and claimed the ball well throughout. Eric – 8. Possible our best player today. Defended well and was our best attacking option at times in the second half, combining well with Snodgrass on one attack to be through on goal. His cross let him down though. He could have scored himself. McCartney – 7. I think Grayson has been working on his defence, telling him to get in their first and not back off. He did that ok today but didn’t get forward as much . O’Brien – 7. I thought he did well today. I’ve been a bit worried recently but I thought he was much improved today. He had to be with Bromby around in the first half. Bromby – 5. Bambi on ice first half, all over the shop and can’t pass a ball to save his life. To his credit he improved second half and had a few good moments. Not sure he is the answer though. Johnson – 7. Had a really good first half, just sat at the back, winning headers , collecting the ball and playing it off and also playing a couple of long creative passes. As always with Johnson you have to suffer the other side of his game. The 5 yard pass that goes astray, the miscontrol of a simple ball and the over ambition shots. Still he did ok today. Kilkenny – 7. I thought he struggled first half but was our most
[LU] Bates attacks the SC -- yet again
http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2011/03/history-repeats-itself-as-bates-attacks-lusc/ It was back in 1997 when Ken Bates was still in charge of Chelsea that he first decided Supporter's Club were an unnecessary nuisance. The fact that some fans chose to join the societies that have for decades provided an independent voice for the fans, over Ken Bates' own initiative - a paid membership scheme of the club - you could argue was the primary source of his hatred. In order to discredit the independent alternative of his paid membership scheme, Ken Bates set about destroying the reputation of the CISA (Chelsea Independent Supporters Association). Not dissimilar to the Ken Bates we know today, hypocrisy was never a particular concern of his. First he questioned where the money from this unofficial club went, ignoring the fact no one knew where the £700k a year from Chelsea's supporters club went before using the club's media arm against the smaller and less well-funded CISA to manipulate the rest of fans and systematically turn them against the CISA by branding them cowards and raising totally unfounded accusations against them. Propaganda is a powerful thing, something Ken Bates knows only too well. It didn't matter that the CISA held a yearly board meeting where there accounts were the primary discussion. It didn't matter that they hadn't been afforded the opportunity to respond. All that mattered was that Ken Bates had brought their existence into question. How supporters chose to interpret that information was down to them, Bates would argue, knowing only too well that the mere suggestion of wrong-doing was enough to discredit them and harm their organisation. Clever stuff from the Bates regime. The media rarely got into battles with Bates because (like The Guardian at Elland Road) he'd just ban them from the stadium and deny them any access to the players and club. Any news and information required from the club came directly through Ken Bates, so manipulating the press wasn't difficult. Who was going to defend a small supporters club and risk a total ban on coverage from one of England's most famous clubs? In short, no one was. Almost 15 years later and Bates is still at war with those that try and offer supporters an alternative to his membership scheme. This time, his target is the Leeds United Supporters Club (LUSC), an organisation that has spoken on behalf of it's members - the Leeds United fans - offering them an independent voice for many years now. Long before the day Ken Bates' regime rolled into town. The tactics haven't changed much. He questions the existence of the club, and the profitability of The Peacock Pub they bought opposite Elland Road. He compares the profits made by the Peacock to those of Billy's Bar, failing to mention that The Peacock is run by and for the fans and whose business model doesn't involve extorting ridiculous sums of money from us for the inferior product sold within Elland Road. Describing the Supporter's Club as 'a somewhat anonymous organisation' (much like Forward Sports Fund as MoscoWhite acutely added) he attempts to undermine them further by saying he's seen little evidence of their support of the club despite the claims they've made. This would be the same Supporter's Club that tried to build inroads into Bates-led Elland Road only to have the door slammed in their face by his Lordship. Yep, fourteen years on and nothing has changed with Ken Bates. Luckily for Leeds United fans, some things have changed since 1997. For one, The Square Ball Mag costing just £1 offers an alternative to Bates' propaganda in the Official Matchday programme, and whilst Ken Bates may control the official channels of news from Elland Road (Yorkshire Radio, The Official Site, The YEP who rarely challenge him), the internet has provided us with the opportunity to speak for ourselves. Since Bates took over at Elland Road, the choice of Independent Leeds United sites has grown massively. And whilst none of the mainstream media will dare to cross swords with Mr. Chairman by standing up for LUSC, we most certainly will. Whilst Ken Bates' regime may have been a success in some areas, his attempts to make the voice of Leeds United an inconsistent, mumbling cockney is not one of them. Organisations like the LUSC represent the average fan like you and me, offering an approachable source of opinion to the wider, national media. When the fans were concerned about the downfall of our club, it was the LUSC who these media outlets approached for reaction. In turn, they serve to offer the collective views and concerns of the fans and ensure our fears are heard. They do other things too, like arrange matchday travel for those living further afield and provide facilities for their members in close proximity to Elland Road. But for me, the real importance of these independent associations is the collective voice they offer. I don't want a Ken
Re: [LU] Bates attacks the SC -- yet again
Don't mistake the Ken Bates Members Club for anything close to the valuable service LUSC offers. It's nothing more than a gimmick set-up to charge you extra for the privilege of booking tickets. Wasn't the Supporters Club doing the same thing before Bates introduced his own version? I joined the SC when I was living in London so I could get tickets, as far as I can see, the MC does the same thing, except all the money from the scheme goes back to the club? And when the people complained about Billy's Bar being for members only, I noticed that the SC did a similar thing at the Peacock with a SC only room. As for investing a heap of money into a lease on a pub in direct competition to the club's facilities, then you can see why Bates is annoyed. I have to say that I am in the MC and think it is a good idea. So of course, my opinion is biased, as most of us are on this issue. I think that in the past, an organization like the SC had a real purpose, and did a hell of a lot of good. But there is simply no point in going head to head with the club over an issue that is never going to change. The club want the option of setting out how tickets are distributed, rather than letting a third party do it. Makes sense when you think about it. The MC system has also made lots of inroads into bringing fans together, with the Leeds on the Road events, providing memorabilia for fund raising, and providing centralised communication DIRECT to the club. That article says if you don't like the system, get involved and change it from within, well you could also argue you might get further if you do it through the Member's Club. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
