Re: [LU] That was dreadful

2022-05-12 Thread seanscribe--- via Leedslist 
Which Calderon? Who does he manage at the moment?

If it were up to me, whether or not we go down, I'd have a deep talk with Jesse 
about what he plans to do with the squad, who he thinks he needs, and what 
style of play he wants to establish. Based on his answers, I might give him 
until the end of September to show he can turn things around. If he can't, or 
if his answers to the previous questions don't convince, I'd hope like hell 
that Huddersfield don't quite make it up via the playoffs and then nick 
Corberan to manage a squad that's still got a lot of the players he knows from 
his years at the club.


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Sent: Thu, May 12, 2022 1:34 am
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The handling of Bielsa from day one was wrong.
If what we are told is true, namely small squads and buying. He should have the 
last word but not the only word.
So the small squad- injury plague was not just on Bielsa. It was not a sacking 
offense; it was clear at Xmas it was going wrong. Strangely, it was very 
convenient for a shallow pocketed management to hear.
Bielsa's alternative is a Hockaday with a different accent.
It is as clear that he is not the answer. He has been here long enough to know 
that nothing from Bielsa will be left.
He will not get us up, he's clueless. He won't improve anything or anybody.
Get in Calderon or get Bielsa to be part of the selection process.
We must get the Bielsa Continuation right. And it is not with this absolute 
dreck Marsch.

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Desperate stuff

With each passing week i am less clear what we are trying to achieve
Four centre-backs started today with Rapha at right wing back just in
case that wasnt enough.

Koch managed to play centre-back, right back and right wing in the same
game. Even popped up at centre-forward for a bit.
Firpo sort of wandered around midfield.

We are not going to pressure the other team into a mistake if they are;
1) Not Watford or Norwich and
2) We only have ten men

But that seems to be our attacking plan - we appear to have no clue how
to move the ball from back to front when in possession.

Matt


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Subject: [LU] That was dreadful
The single redeeming feature was Watfords draw.
The players look lost, the club is drifting, the previous three years’
effort going up in smoke.
Fuck sake.
Nick

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[LU] The red cards

2022-05-12 Thread Robert Heath 
It is tempting to say that Ayling & James were just taking Marsch's
instructions that "das ist nicht ein fucking freundlichspiel" a little too
far. (That was nicked from The Square Ball, sorry.)

But I do think there were, if not extenuating circumstances, at least
underlying reasons for both mad tackles.

Sad to say it, but at least some of the blame for Ayling's has to go to the
Leeds fans! There they all were, in their loyal loud thousands as always,
200 mls from home, struggling to pay their bills but still finding a way to
get thereand Leeds were already 0-2 down and had gifted one of
the goals to bloody Nketiah..and there right in front of the fans
was the wriggly bastard who had been running Ayling ragged and had set up
the 2nd goal...the outcome was inevitable really. So many "pundits"
said :"What was he thinking?" I think it was a clear (although probably
misguided) risk and reward situation: the risk was that he overdid the
thing a little and would get a red card, but the reward if he managed to
pull off a fair but clattering challenge in that very corner of the ground
would have been huge; a massive roar from the Leeds fans who would get even
more behind the team and a boost to the rest of the side seeing their
captain was not going down without a fight. Worth the risk? In the heat of
the moment when he had to decide in a split second? I don't know, but me
I'm not condemning him.

As for James, I think his challenge was a result of simmering resentment
over the failure of the ref to even penalise let alone sanction the Chelsea
player who had taken him out a few mins earlier when he was free and
heading for goal. I'm pretty sure that was the same ref who was atrocious
in the game v Soton a few weeks ago.and who didn't give us a
penalty when Gelhardt was felled in the box at the end.This one was so
obviously a foul. Why would James dive there...to exchange a clear
one v one against the keeper for a nothing freekick in the middle of the
park?
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Michael Benjamin 
Spot on 
We went from the sublime to the ridiculous 

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Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2022 12:39
To: Ted 
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Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea

Similar views about not wanting to watch this any more - do we have to go down 
to get rid of Marsch, who is like some over-enthusiastic snake-oil peddler! 
It’s not all down to him, but he’s making it worse. Just hoping we don’t let 
him invest in players over the summer. I wonder what Leipzig saw in him in 5 
months to get rid? Maybe what we’re seeing? He is way, way out of his depth!

All that said, the players are all over the place too - frustrated as hell, 
ineffective, and about to get relegated unless something very bizarre, and 
frankly, undeserved happens. 





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> On 12 May 2022, at 09:34, Ted  wrote:
> 
> Nick  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> For pretty much the first time in 4 years, I wondered why I bothered 
>> going
>> - i had little hope before hand, and zero coming away. We were given 
>> joy through football under Bielsa and its gone, well and truly.
> 
> 
> Sums up my feelings exactly!
> 
> I want any Leeds manager to do well but I really think Marsch is 
> totally out of his depth.  I agree with Rich, playing 3 wingers, 
> without any on the wing is ridiculous.  Phillips (when he got a 
> touch!) had no cross-field passing options - which is what he excelled at 
> under Bielsa.
> 
> I'm no tactician, but seeing the line-up - no-one sat around me could 
> figure out what the hell the formation would be - and when we kicked 
> off, neither did the players!
> 
> Oh well, three points on Saturday (or even one?) - might be enough - 
> but can we do that?  Who knows, but here's hoping!
> 
> Ted H
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread John Lee via Leedslist 
Similar views about not wanting to watch this any more - do we have to go down 
to get rid of Marsch, who is like some over-enthusiastic snake-oil peddler! 
It’s not all down to him, but he’s making it worse. Just hoping we don’t let 
him invest in players over the summer. I wonder what Leipzig saw in him in 5 
months to get rid? Maybe what we’re seeing? He is way, way out of his depth!

All that said, the players are all over the place too - frustrated as hell, 
ineffective, and about to get relegated unless something very bizarre, and 
frankly, undeserved happens. 





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> On 12 May 2022, at 09:34, Ted  wrote:
> 
> Nick  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> For pretty much the first time in 4 years, I wondered why I bothered going
>> - i had little hope before hand, and zero coming away. We were given joy
>> through football under Bielsa and its gone, well and truly.
> 
> 
> Sums up my feelings exactly!
> 
> I want any Leeds manager to do well but I really think Marsch is totally
> out of his depth.  I agree with Rich, playing 3 wingers, without any on the
> wing is ridiculous.  Phillips (when he got a touch!) had no cross-field
> passing options - which is what he excelled at under Bielsa.
> 
> I'm no tactician, but seeing the line-up - no-one sat around me could
> figure out what the hell the formation would be - and when we kicked off,
> neither did the players!
> 
> Oh well, three points on Saturday (or even one?) - might be enough - but
> can we do that?  Who knows, but here's hoping!
> 
> Ted H
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 Yes Rodrigo ... you can blame the manager for poor tactics but when you're 
losing every battle and putting your team under pressure with every misplaced / 
poor backwards pass then that aint going to help. 
He was so poor. 
On Thursday, 12 May 2022, 09:39:14 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 Agree with all these comments.I didn’t have much hope before the game and 
after the ease with which Chelsea scored early I had done. I never leave early 
but I was really tempted after the third went in.I can’t see what the plan was, 
other than try to keep it tight and try to nick one from a set piece. Only 
problem is we kept giving the ball away. One of the many issues with our new 
system is that there aren’t players open for passes anymore so it’s just a lump 
upfield and back on the defensive again.Agree Phillips looks lost and Rapha 
barely had a kick.It’s some achievement to find a strategy that nullifies our 
two most effective players!Thought Rodrigo was very poor again.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Simon McNally via Leedslist 
Agree with all these comments.
I didn’t have much hope before the game and after the ease with which Chelsea 
scored early I had done.
I never leave early but I was really tempted after the third went in.
I can’t see what the plan was, other than try to keep it tight and try to nick 
one from a set piece. Only problem is we kept giving the ball away. One of the 
many issues with our new system is that there aren’t players open for passes 
anymore so it’s just a lump upfield and back on the defensive again.
Agree Phillips looks lost and Rapha barely had a kick.
It’s some achievement to find a strategy that nullifies our two most effective 
players!
Thought Rodrigo was very poor again.

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Agree totally Dave, it was poor. I didn't get a ticket and can't say I'm too 
upset by that.
I think Marsch had an impossible job in trying to reengineer the team after 
Bielsa but you have to say that what he is doing is clueless. Playing with 3 
wingers but yet not playing down the wings and trying to play through midfield 
when we don't have one ! or should I say, we don't have a mobile one. Bielsa 
got that and he wasn't fussed to buy midfielders because he created the perfect 
role for Philips and all his play was down the flanks. Bate and Philips 
yesterday against a dymanic, pacey Chelsea midfield was actually very 
embarrassing. It was the mismatch of the century. It's clear that Philips can't 
play in a free midfield, he doesn't have the pace or the creativity and Bate is 
just a young lad. We've also got Raphinha hel;ping out in defence and taking 
long throw-ins and Jack Harrison doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. These 
tactics were supposed to make us more solid but they don't and Chelsea could 
have had double figures. Who said that Marsch was the ideal replacement for 
Bielsa because he plays similar - that was obviously nonsense. It's all very 
depressing but I would suggest some drastic action by sacking Marsch today and 
putting Jackson in for the final two games. If nothing else we might get a 
reaction and also it looks like the team will have a few U-23s in on Sunday.
We're not down yet !
On Thursday, 12 May 2022, 07:55:47 BST, nattan--- via Leedslist 
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That was awful - no shots on target, an inability to defend or even pas the 
ball to each otherIt really was as bad as it gets - not one of them had a clue 
what we were  doing or trying to do , any game plan went out of the window as 
we were one down immediately and any chance of a point left with Dan James 
redBefore the game we were in the odd situation whereby we could get 9 pts and 
go down  or get one point and stay up - most of the pre match talk was that one 
point would indeed be enough (personally I doubt it) but now I can’t even see 
where a point is coming from, we really were that bad
We are going down - fans stayed mainly behind the team with defiant chants 
ringing out but a lot left before the final whistle.
Total shambles
Need to win on Sunday but how ???
Very disgruntled
Dave
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Ted 
Nick  wrote:

>
> For pretty much the first time in 4 years, I wondered why I bothered going
> - i had little hope before hand, and zero coming away. We were given joy
> through football under Bielsa and its gone, well and truly.


Sums up my feelings exactly!

I want any Leeds manager to do well but I really think Marsch is totally
out of his depth.  I agree with Rich, playing 3 wingers, without any on the
wing is ridiculous.  Phillips (when he got a touch!) had no cross-field
passing options - which is what he excelled at under Bielsa.

I'm no tactician, but seeing the line-up - no-one sat around me could
figure out what the hell the formation would be - and when we kicked off,
neither did the players!

Oh well, three points on Saturday (or even one?) - might be enough - but
can we do that?  Who knows, but here's hoping!

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 Agree totally Dave, it was poor. I didn't get a ticket and can't say I'm too 
upset by that. 
I think Marsch had an impossible job in trying to reengineer the team after 
Bielsa but you have to say that what he is doing is clueless. Playing with 3 
wingers but yet not playing down the wings and trying to play through midfield 
when we don't have one ! or should I say, we don't have a mobile one. Bielsa 
got that and he wasn't fussed to buy midfielders because he created the perfect 
role for Philips and all his play was down the flanks. Bate and Philips 
yesterday against a dymanic, pacey Chelsea midfield was actually very 
embarrassing. It was the mismatch of the century. It's clear that Philips can't 
play in a free midfield, he doesn't have the pace or the creativity and Bate is 
just a young lad. We've also got Raphinha hel;ping out in defence and taking 
long throw-ins and Jack Harrison doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. These 
tactics were supposed to make us more solid but they don't and Chelsea could 
have had double figures. Who said that Marsch was the ideal replacement for 
Bielsa because he plays similar - that was obviously nonsense. It's all very 
depressing but I would suggest some drastic action by sacking Marsch today and 
putting Jackson in for the final two games. If nothing else we might get a 
reaction and also it looks like the team will have a few U-23s in on Sunday. 
We're not down yet ! 
On Thursday, 12 May 2022, 07:55:47 BST, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 
That was awful - no shots on target, an inability to defend or even pas the 
ball to each otherIt really was as bad as it gets - not one of them had a clue 
what we were  doing or trying to do , any game plan went out of the window as 
we were one down immediately and any chance of a point left with Dan James 
redBefore the game we were in the odd situation whereby we could get 9 pts and 
go down  or get one point and stay up - most of the pre match talk was that one 
point would indeed be enough (personally I doubt it) but now I can’t even see 
where a point is coming from, we really were that bad
We are going down - fans stayed mainly behind the team with defiant chants 
ringing out but a lot left before the final whistle.
Total shambles 
Need to win on Sunday but how ???
Very disgruntled 
Dave 
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Nick 
no shots on goal

Raph and Rodrigo hardly ever got the ball facing the opposition goal

No one got behind the Chelsea defence - overlapping runs down the wings or 
through the middle

this 4-2-2-2 - play it narrow system - seems to forget that the middle of the 
pitch is usually the most heavily populated bit of the pitch. You can’t just 
waltz through it.

There seems to be some idea that the ball will go wide, someone will peel off 
and flick it back inside to a team mate running up the middle…it doesn’t work.

For pretty much the first time in 4 years, I wondered why I bothered going - i 
had little hope before hand, and zero coming away. We were given joy through 
football under Bielsa and its gone, well and truly. Our main hope now lies on 
Burnley managing to secure minus points from a game.

Stay up or go down, anyone good in that squad will leave. 

Phillips looked absolutely lost yesterday. Admittedly some of it may be down to 
fitness, I’m not convinced he is fully recovered.

Nick

> On 12 May 2022, at 07:51, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> Marsch has been and is a disaster. He has managed to drain all the
> confidence and Bielsa swagger out of the players. He has marginally
> improved the defence in that we are conceding slightly smaller hatfuls of
> goals in a different way - opposition players don't get to just waltz
> through wide open spaces anymore, they have to actually construct attacks
> against a set defence before scoring. But we are incapable of retaining
> possession so the pressure on the marginally improved defence is incessant
> and it is bound to crack. We can't get the ball out of our half! When
> Meslier gets the ball, he either passes it short, in which case we play 3
> or if we're lucky 4 nice little triangle passes and then lose it on the
> halfway line, or he chips it into midfield where we either lose the first
> ball or lose the second ball.
> 
> Marsch is very similar in one respect to another glib charlatan, Boris
> Johnson. Just as the pandemic and the war have given Johnson the
> opportunity to mask the disastrous effects of his insane plan to take the
> country out of the EU, so injuries and ridiculous red cards allow Marsch to
> mask the disastrous effects of his "coaching."
> 
> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:45 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> That was awful - no shots on target, an inability to defend or even pas
>> the ball to each otherIt really was as bad as it gets - not one of them had
>> a clue what we were  doing or trying to do , any game plan went out of the
>> window as we were one down immediately and any chance of a point left with
>> Dan James redBefore the game we were in the odd situation whereby we could
>> get 9 pts and go down  or get one point and stay up - most of the pre match
>> talk was that one point would indeed be enough (personally I doubt it) but
>> now I can’t even see where a point is coming from, we really were that bad
>> We are going down - fans stayed mainly behind the team with defiant chants
>> ringing out but a lot left before the final whistle.
>> Total shambles
>> Need to win on Sunday but how ???
>> Very disgruntled
>> Dave
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