Re: [LU] Burnley win?

[Jim Moran]

I agree on Sacko's finish - at this level he should be aiming to go through
the keeper's legs when they are spread like that. Only place he definitely
can't make a save. I think it was 100% his intention.

On 20 September 2017 at 10:14, Rob Heath  wrote:

> I am almost 100% in agreement with Rich. I too did not see the M/wall
> match, but last night...well, yeah we didn't have the ball much,
> but remember it was our reserves vs 7th in the Prem (mostly reserves) so I
> thought we competed well.
>
> One thing I disagree with almost everybody is on Sacko's goal.I'm
> sure all Leeds fans like me were thinking "oh gawd where's this going?"
> when he was bearing down on goal, but I thought it was a deliberate and
> superb finish through the keeper's legs.
>
> One other thing..I was hugely impressed with Shaughnessy. Not only
> does he look superbly calm and solid, and seem to read the play very well,
> but I think he's shown great character after his disastrous first minute in
> a Leeds shirt. He's probably saved us the 9 million quid I think Swansea
> were asking for Bartleby.
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:51 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> >  Didn't see the Millwall match but listened on RL and it sounded like we
> > pretty much second to the ball and second best all over the park and they
> > had wave after wave of attack.
> > This was not the case last night and whilst Burnley had the better of it
> I
> > thought we competed well and never looked that troubled at the back. We
> > didn't create much with Grot on his own and isolated, Roofe hugging the
> > touchline and Cibicki poncing around like he owned the place but not
> > actually doing anything. It definitely needed the introduction of
> Hernandes
> > and Sacko to trouble them. Hernandes first touch was to bystep his man
> and
> > play Sacko through. Yes he was lucky with his goal but his pace caused
> them
> > all sorts of trouble and he skinned Charlie Taylor twice - I always
> thought
> > Taylor was suspect when put on the back foot.
> > I'd say overally, given the team selection / debuts etc it was a good
> > performance.
> > On Wednesday, 20 September 2017, 09:41:34 BST, David Smail <
> > dsm...@dsmail.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Watching only the highlights it appears to me that this wasn't much
> > different from the Milwall game. Looks like we had to suffer wave after
> > wave
> > of Burnley attacks and were pretty much out everythinged most of the time
> > in
> > most areas. Burnley's finishing was poor which let us off to a large
> > degree.
> > Sacko's goal. if I'm not mistaken, went through the keeper's legs -
> goal's
> > a
> > goal, but perhaps some luck involved - great ball to him mind. Our
> penalty
> > in normal time looked something between a very soft decision and no
> penalty
> > at all. The shootout saw us shine but we should have been well buried
> long
> > before that.
> >
> > We got through and I'm pleased about that, but it doesn't bode well that
> we
> > can be pinned back and outplayed  / outmuscled so easily. Our great start
> > to
> > the season saw us doing that to our opponents. All teams seem to play a
> > weakened line up in this competition so there's nothing in it there.
> >
> > Let's hope we can return to stamping our mark on games. Milwall and
> Burnley
> > both had us chasing to try and adapt to what they were doing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LU] Burnley win?

[David W]

Agree. Completely different performances.

We were somewhat disjointed when going forwards until Hernandez came on
(whereupon he was magnificent) but we had Cibicki making his debut and his
first ever match in English football and Grot making his full debut (and by
all accounts he is a work in progress). Daft to be forming any judgments
about either of those lads yet, but their presence meant we lacked fluidity
/ link up that we have with Saiz there.  I thought Roofe was sparky, and
Dallas as ever puts in a solid shift wherever he plays on the pitch. And as
a real bonus Sacko suddenly looked like old Sacko - direct and running at
full backs.

We weren't outmuscled at all - Vieira really put himself about. Occasional
misplaced passes, but he has had limited match time and he constantly
wanted to be involved for 120 minutes. Other seemed more excited by Klich
that I was but he did a job.

Centre backs were the stars for me - Shaughnessy as a young lad who was a
centre midfielder until this season and Ayling who just gets better and
better wherever we play him.

The only 'disappointment' if you want to call it that from last night was
the goals we conceded -  I really didn't see where Burnley would score last
night. All huff and puff but no real creativity. Having got ahead (twice)
we gave them silly ways back in to the game twice with a stupid foul by
Berardi (immediately after the ref had warned other players for holding in
the box so was obviously watching for it) and then unnecessary random panic
play when we just needed to play the game out and a soft foul by Vieira to
give them the free kick they scored. We'll learn from that though. Plus CBJ
was obviously god awful.





On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:22 AM,  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I watched both Millwall and last night and they couldn't
> have been much different. Millwall was very poor stuff from us. Last night
> we competed well.
> Sure, they had more shots, which I imagine would make it look one-sided on
> the highlights, and on another day we could have been out of it way before
> the end, but we never looked that much in danger. When it was 2-1 to us, I
> commented that we just about deserved the win, but that a loss wouldn't
> have been unfair either.
> Given we were on the back of two poor performances, had 9 player changes,
> and were playing away, to a Premier League team, I don't think we could
> have expected any more than what we got last night. Nigel(the Dublin one)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 10:15 AM +0100, "Rob Heath" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am almost 100% in agreement with Rich. I too did not see the M/wall
> match, but last night...well, yeah we didn't have the ball much,
> but remember it was our reserves vs 7th in the Prem (mostly reserves) so I
> thought we competed well.
>
> One thing I disagree with almost everybody is on Sacko's goal.I'm
> sure all Leeds fans like me were thinking "oh gawd where's this going?"
> when he was bearing down on goal, but I thought it was a deliberate and
> superb finish through the keeper's legs.
>
> One other thing..I was hugely impressed with Shaughnessy. Not only
> does he look superbly calm and solid, and seem to read the play very well,
> but I think he's shown great character after his disastrous first minute in
> a Leeds shirt. He's probably saved us the 9 million quid I think Swansea
> were asking for Bartleby.
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:51 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> >  Didn't see the Millwall match but listened on RL and it sounded like we
> > pretty much second to the ball and second best all over the park and they
> > had wave after wave of attack.
> > This was not the case last night and whilst Burnley had the better of it
> I
> > thought we competed well and never looked that troubled at the back. We
> > didn't create much with Grot on his own and isolated, Roofe hugging the
> > touchline and Cibicki poncing around like he owned the place but not
> > actually doing anything. It definitely needed the introduction of
> Hernandes
> > and Sacko to trouble them. Hernandes first touch was to bystep his man
> and
> > play Sacko through. Yes he was lucky with his goal but his pace caused
> them
> > all sorts of trouble and he skinned Charlie Taylor twice - I always
> thought
> > Taylor was suspect when put on the back foot.
> > I'd say overally, given the team selection / debuts etc it was a good
> > performance.
> > On Wednesday, 20 September 2017, 09:41:34 BST, David Smail <
> > dsm...@dsmail.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Watching only the highlights it appears to me that this wasn't much
> > different from the Milwall game. Looks like we had to suffer wave after
> > wave
> > of Burnley attacks and were pretty much out everythinged most of the time
> > in
> > most areas. Burnley's finishing was poor which let us off 

Re: [LU] Burnley win?

[nigel]

I watched both Millwall and last night and they couldn't have 
been much different. Millwall was very poor stuff from us. Last night we 
competed well. 
Sure, they had more shots, which I imagine would make it look one-sided on the 
highlights, and on another day we could have been out of it way before the end, 
but we never looked that much in danger. When it was 2-1 to us, I commented 
that we just about deserved the win, but that a loss wouldn't have been unfair 
either. 
Given we were on the back of two poor performances, had 9 player changes, and 
were playing away, to a Premier League team, I don't think we could have 
expected any more than what we got last night. Nigel(the Dublin one)









On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 10:15 AM +0100, "Rob Heath"  wrote:










I am almost 100% in agreement with Rich. I too did not see the M/wall
match, but last night...well, yeah we didn't have the ball much,
but remember it was our reserves vs 7th in the Prem (mostly reserves) so I
thought we competed well.

One thing I disagree with almost everybody is on Sacko's goal.I'm
sure all Leeds fans like me were thinking "oh gawd where's this going?"
when he was bearing down on goal, but I thought it was a deliberate and
superb finish through the keeper's legs.

One other thing..I was hugely impressed with Shaughnessy. Not only
does he look superbly calm and solid, and seem to read the play very well,
but I think he's shown great character after his disastrous first minute in
a Leeds shirt. He's probably saved us the 9 million quid I think Swansea
were asking for Bartleby.

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:51 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Didn't see the Millwall match but listened on RL and it sounded like we
> pretty much second to the ball and second best all over the park and they
> had wave after wave of attack.
> This was not the case last night and whilst Burnley had the better of it I
> thought we competed well and never looked that troubled at the back. We
> didn't create much with Grot on his own and isolated, Roofe hugging the
> touchline and Cibicki poncing around like he owned the place but not
> actually doing anything. It definitely needed the introduction of Hernandes
> and Sacko to trouble them. Hernandes first touch was to bystep his man and
> play Sacko through. Yes he was lucky with his goal but his pace caused them
> all sorts of trouble and he skinned Charlie Taylor twice - I always thought
> Taylor was suspect when put on the back foot.
> I'd say overally, given the team selection / debuts etc it was a good
> performance.
> On Wednesday, 20 September 2017, 09:41:34 BST, David Smail <
> dsm...@dsmail.plus.com> wrote:
>
>  Watching only the highlights it appears to me that this wasn't much
> different from the Milwall game. Looks like we had to suffer wave after
> wave
> of Burnley attacks and were pretty much out everythinged most of the time
> in
> most areas. Burnley's finishing was poor which let us off to a large
> degree.
> Sacko's goal. if I'm not mistaken, went through the keeper's legs - goal's
> a
> goal, but perhaps some luck involved - great ball to him mind. Our penalty
> in normal time looked something between a very soft decision and no penalty
> at all. The shootout saw us shine but we should have been well buried long
> before that.
>
> We got through and I'm pleased about that, but it doesn't bode well that we
> can be pinned back and outplayed  / outmuscled so easily. Our great start
> to
> the season saw us doing that to our opponents. All teams seem to play a
> weakened line up in this competition so there's nothing in it there.
>
> Let's hope we can return to stamping our mark on games. Milwall and Burnley
> both had us chasing to try and adapt to what they were doing.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Burnley win?

[Rob Heath]

I am almost 100% in agreement with Rich. I too did not see the M/wall
match, but last night...well, yeah we didn't have the ball much,
but remember it was our reserves vs 7th in the Prem (mostly reserves) so I
thought we competed well.

One thing I disagree with almost everybody is on Sacko's goal.I'm
sure all Leeds fans like me were thinking "oh gawd where's this going?"
when he was bearing down on goal, but I thought it was a deliberate and
superb finish through the keeper's legs.

One other thing..I was hugely impressed with Shaughnessy. Not only
does he look superbly calm and solid, and seem to read the play very well,
but I think he's shown great character after his disastrous first minute in
a Leeds shirt. He's probably saved us the 9 million quid I think Swansea
were asking for Bartleby.

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:51 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Didn't see the Millwall match but listened on RL and it sounded like we
> pretty much second to the ball and second best all over the park and they
> had wave after wave of attack.
> This was not the case last night and whilst Burnley had the better of it I
> thought we competed well and never looked that troubled at the back. We
> didn't create much with Grot on his own and isolated, Roofe hugging the
> touchline and Cibicki poncing around like he owned the place but not
> actually doing anything. It definitely needed the introduction of Hernandes
> and Sacko to trouble them. Hernandes first touch was to bystep his man and
> play Sacko through. Yes he was lucky with his goal but his pace caused them
> all sorts of trouble and he skinned Charlie Taylor twice - I always thought
> Taylor was suspect when put on the back foot.
> I'd say overally, given the team selection / debuts etc it was a good
> performance.
> On Wednesday, 20 September 2017, 09:41:34 BST, David Smail <
> dsm...@dsmail.plus.com> wrote:
>
>  Watching only the highlights it appears to me that this wasn't much
> different from the Milwall game. Looks like we had to suffer wave after
> wave
> of Burnley attacks and were pretty much out everythinged most of the time
> in
> most areas. Burnley's finishing was poor which let us off to a large
> degree.
> Sacko's goal. if I'm not mistaken, went through the keeper's legs - goal's
> a
> goal, but perhaps some luck involved - great ball to him mind. Our penalty
> in normal time looked something between a very soft decision and no penalty
> at all. The shootout saw us shine but we should have been well buried long
> before that.
>
> We got through and I'm pleased about that, but it doesn't bode well that we
> can be pinned back and outplayed  / outmuscled so easily. Our great start
> to
> the season saw us doing that to our opponents. All teams seem to play a
> weakened line up in this competition so there's nothing in it there.
>
> Let's hope we can return to stamping our mark on games. Milwall and Burnley
> both had us chasing to try and adapt to what they were doing.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Burnley win?

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 Didn't see the Millwall match but listened on RL and it sounded like we pretty 
much second to the ball and second best all over the park and they had wave 
after wave of attack. 
This was not the case last night and whilst Burnley had the better of it I 
thought we competed well and never looked that troubled at the back. We didn't 
create much with Grot on his own and isolated, Roofe hugging the touchline and 
Cibicki poncing around like he owned the place but not actually doing anything. 
It definitely needed the introduction of Hernandes and Sacko to trouble them. 
Hernandes first touch was to bystep his man and play Sacko through. Yes he was 
lucky with his goal but his pace caused them all sorts of trouble and he 
skinned Charlie Taylor twice - I always thought Taylor was suspect when put on 
the back foot. 
I'd say overally, given the team selection / debuts etc it was a good 
performance. 
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017, 09:41:34 BST, David Smail 
 wrote:  
 
 Watching only the highlights it appears to me that this wasn't much
different from the Milwall game. Looks like we had to suffer wave after wave
of Burnley attacks and were pretty much out everythinged most of the time in
most areas. Burnley's finishing was poor which let us off to a large degree.
Sacko's goal. if I'm not mistaken, went through the keeper's legs - goal's a
goal, but perhaps some luck involved - great ball to him mind. Our penalty
in normal time looked something between a very soft decision and no penalty
at all. The shootout saw us shine but we should have been well buried long
before that. 

We got through and I'm pleased about that, but it doesn't bode well that we
can be pinned back and outplayed  / outmuscled so easily. Our great start to
the season saw us doing that to our opponents. All teams seem to play a
weakened line up in this competition so there's nothing in it there. 

Let's hope we can return to stamping our mark on games. Milwall and Burnley
both had us chasing to try and adapt to what they were doing. 

 

Dave

 

 

 

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[LU] Burnley win?

[David Smail]

Watching only the highlights it appears to me that this wasn't much
different from the Milwall game. Looks like we had to suffer wave after wave
of Burnley attacks and were pretty much out everythinged most of the time in
most areas. Burnley's finishing was poor which let us off to a large degree.
Sacko's goal. if I'm not mistaken, went through the keeper's legs - goal's a
goal, but perhaps some luck involved - great ball to him mind. Our penalty
in normal time looked something between a very soft decision and no penalty
at all. The shootout saw us shine but we should have been well buried long
before that. 

We got through and I'm pleased about that, but it doesn't bode well that we
can be pinned back and outplayed  / outmuscled so easily. Our great start to
the season saw us doing that to our opponents. All teams seem to play a
weakened line up in this competition so there's nothing in it there. 

Let's hope we can return to stamping our mark on games. Milwall and Burnley
both had us chasing to try and adapt to what they were doing. 

 

Dave

 

 

 

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