Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Bamford's comments did make sense but it didn't help that everytime the ball 
came near him he miscontrolled. Needs to be a lot better / sharper. 
On Tuesday, 7 February 2023 at 22:09:08 GMT, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 He’s a smart bloke and knew exactly what he was doing.
Plus he was right!
It made me think that maybe they were going to sack Marsch - once you’ve lost 
the senior players there’s no way back.

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From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:06:36 PM
To: Simon McNally 
Cc: Nicholas Armit ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

It was in Bamford’s post match interview - it wasn’t particularly 
controversial, but is being hyped up by various ‘commentators’ - it was only a 
couple of lines, although the implication was clear!

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Feb 2023, at 21:25, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>; 
bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.

Nick

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:


I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone.

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible.



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of nattan--- via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
>
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 
> 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal 
> with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and 
> not so good against less good sides."
> "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
> ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
> balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> 

Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

I’ve just seen Maric’s tweet to the fans which also feels like a veiled dig at 
Marsch.
“It wasn’t possible to instil some of the different ideas for that great group 
of highly talented players”.

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From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:15:08 PM
To: Simon McNally 
Cc: Nicholas Armit ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true


He said something similar the week before too, although I can’t remember 
clearly enough to recall? But you’re right Simon, Bamford is articulate and 
considered, and is clearly not blind to the tactics!


Sent from my iPad

On 7 Feb 2023, at 22:08, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

He’s a smart bloke and knew exactly what he was doing.
Plus he was right!
It made me think that maybe they were going to sack Marsch - once you’ve lost 
the senior players there’s no way back.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:06:36 PM
To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>
Cc: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>; leeds list 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

It was in Bamford’s post match interview - it wasn’t particularly 
controversial, but is being hyped up by various ‘commentators’ - it was only a 
couple of lines, although the implication was clear!

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Feb 2023, at 21:25, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>; 
bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.

Nick

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:


I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone.

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible.



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of nattan--- via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
>
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a 

Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[John Lee via Leedslist]

He said something similar the week before too, although I can’t remember 
clearly enough to recall? But you’re right Simon, Bamford is articulate and 
considered, and is clearly not blind to the tactics!


Sent from my iPad

> On 7 Feb 2023, at 22:08, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> He’s a smart bloke and knew exactly what he was doing.
> Plus he was right!
> It made me think that maybe they were going to sack Marsch - once you’ve lost 
> the senior players there’s no way back.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:06:36 PM
> To: Simon McNally 
> Cc: Nicholas Armit ; leeds list 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
> true
>  
> It was in Bamford’s post match interview - it wasn’t particularly 
> controversial, but is being hyped up by various ‘commentators’ - it was only 
> a couple of lines, although the implication was clear!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 7 Feb 2023, at 21:25, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
>> On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook for iOS
>> From: Nicholas Armit 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
>> To: Simon McNally ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
>> 
>> Cc: leeds list 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
>> true
>>  
>> Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious 
>> failings in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and 
>> couldn’t possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for 
>> all to see at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to 
>> concede I feel very happy he’s gone. 
>> 
>> One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, 
>> no runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and 
>> open. It would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the 
>> board decision?
>> 
>> Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
>> someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
>> possible. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this 
>> > record.
>> > It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, 
>> > everything rushed and narrow.
>> > They need to get it right this time.
>> > 
>> > Sent from Outlook for iOS
>> > 
>> > From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
>> > Leedslist 
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
>> > To: leeds list 
>> > Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
>> > true
>> > 
>> > Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
>> > Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." 
>> > It's from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing 
>> > because it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping 
>> > when you consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he 
>> > knew himself.
>> > "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. 
>> > The book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They 
>> > did inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on 
>> > that later."
>> > "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low 
>> > block. Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the 
>> > game, all of them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no 
>> > time. They press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance 
>> > after chance after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change 
>> > from the opposition they create nothing."
>> > "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
>> > title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the 
>> > CL they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
>> > complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
>> > "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. 
>> > After 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are 
>> > unable to deal with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against 
>> > good sides, and not so good against less good sides."
>> > "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on 
>> > the ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or 
>> > hit long balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
>> > "Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented 
>> > heights in his absence."
>> > 

Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

He’s a smart bloke and knew exactly what he was doing.
Plus he was right!
It made me think that maybe they were going to sack Marsch - once you’ve lost 
the senior players there’s no way back.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:06:36 PM
To: Simon McNally 
Cc: Nicholas Armit ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

It was in Bamford’s post match interview - it wasn’t particularly 
controversial, but is being hyped up by various ‘commentators’ - it was only a 
couple of lines, although the implication was clear!

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Feb 2023, at 21:25, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>; 
bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.

Nick

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:


I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone.

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible.



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of nattan--- via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
>
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 
> 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal 
> with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and 
> not so good against less good sides."
> "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
> ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
> balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> "Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented 
> heights in his absence."
> ___
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[John Lee via Leedslist]

It was in Bamford’s post match interview - it wasn’t particularly 
controversial, but is being hyped up by various ‘commentators’ - it was only a 
couple of lines, although the implication was clear!

Sent from my iPad

> On 7 Feb 2023, at 21:25, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> From: Nicholas Armit 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
> To: Simon McNally ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
> 
> Cc: leeds list 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
> true
>  
> Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious 
> failings in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and 
> couldn’t possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for 
> all to see at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to 
> concede I feel very happy he’s gone. 
> 
> One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, 
> no runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and 
> open. It would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board 
> decision?
> 
> Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
> someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
> possible. 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this 
> > record.
> > It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, 
> > everything rushed and narrow.
> > They need to get it right this time.
> > 
> > Sent from Outlook for iOS
> > 
> > From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
> > Leedslist 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> > To: leeds list 
> > Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
> > true
> > 
> > Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> > Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." 
> > It's from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing 
> > because it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping 
> > when you consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he 
> > knew himself.
> > "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. 
> > The book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They 
> > did inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> > later."
> > "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> > Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> > them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> > press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> > after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> > opposition they create nothing."
> > "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> > title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> > they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> > complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> > "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. 
> > After 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable 
> > to deal with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good 
> > sides, and not so good against less good sides."
> > "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on 
> > the ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or 
> > hit long balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> > "Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented 
> > heights in his absence."
> > ___
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
To: Simon McNally ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 

Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.

Nick

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:


I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone.

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible.



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of nattan--- via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
>
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 
> 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal 
> with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and 
> not so good against less good sides."
> "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
> ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
> balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> "Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented 
> heights in his absence."
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.
Nick
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone. 

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible. 



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
> 
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 
> 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal 
> with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and 
> not so good against less good sides."
> "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
> ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
> balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> "Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented 
> heights in his absence."
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Greg Adams]

So long Jesse Marsch, we hardly knew you. In truth we all hated you from 
the start , with your American ways and tight white trousers .


Seriously though, the board has to make the right appointment now.  It 
will determine whether we consolidate over the next few years, or 
continue to struggle with one manager after another. A Potter (Brighton 
version) would be nice. Have a team which punches above its weight, 
bloodying a few big noses along the way.  Let's face it - unless the 
49-ners have more money to throw away, sorry invest, we will not reach 
the dizzy heights of the top five / six.  And that will be fine with me 
and, and I suspect most of us here.


I would be interested to know who the list think might be the right man 
for the job.  Talk so far has been of Corberan, Pochettino and Bielsa. 
All three should be able to get more out of this squad.  If it was up to 
me, I'd try to get Pochettino until the end of the season and give him 
the option of staying if he keeps us up. If Bielsa feels he has learnt 
something new and wants to take up the reins again, I would be happy 
with that as well.


For now it seems Chris "Brutus" Armas will be the guy in charge, which 
is weird given his friendship with Marsch.  Lets hope we don't keep him 
after beating the scum in the next two games.


As for Marsch, he will likely get another gig sometime soon, and maybe 
will have learned from his experience here, and become a better coach.  
He seems a nice guy so best of luck to him.


It is times like this that I miss the Voice of Football. I'm sure 
Chantal would have a pome for Jesse. 



On 07 Feb 2023 15:50, John Lee via Leedslist wrote:

I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone.

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible.




On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
wrote:

As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
rushed and narrow.
They need to get it right this time.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via Leedslist 

Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on Marsch from a 
USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's from a year ago, 
and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because it's badly written and rambling. 
But some bits are jaw-dropping when you consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him 
better than he knew himself.
"At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The book 
on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did inexplicably beat 
Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that later."
"In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. Marsch 
can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of them fail on some 
sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They press harder than they've ever 
pressed . They create chance after chance after chance. Then in the second half after a 
slight change from the opposition they create nothing."
"In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league title (a 
very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL they look good against 
Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans complain that he's a mediocre coach who 
can't make adjustments."
"Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 14 
games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal with low 
blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and not so good against 
less good sides."
"Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the ball. 
You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long balls over the 
top, Marsch's teams all come up short."
"Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented heights in 
his absence."
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Ian Murray]

You have to say that that describes his time with us perfectly.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2023 8:08 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on Marsch 
from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's from a 
year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because it's badly 
written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you consider we'd 
tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
"At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that later."
"In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They press 
harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance after 
chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the opposition they 
create nothing."
"In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league title 
(a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL they look 
good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans complain that 
he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
"Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 14 
games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal with 
low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and not so 
good against less good sides."
"Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
"Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented heights 
in his absence."
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone. 

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible. 



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
> 
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 
> 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal 
> with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and 
> not so good against less good sides."
> "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
> ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
> balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> "Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented 
> heights in his absence."
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
rushed and narrow.
They need to get it right this time.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on Marsch 
from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's from a 
year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because it's badly 
written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you consider we'd 
tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
"At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that later."
"In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They press 
harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance after 
chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the opposition they 
create nothing."
"In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league title 
(a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL they look 
good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans complain that 
he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
"Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 14 
games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal with 
low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and not so 
good against less good sides."
"Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
"Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented heights 
in his absence."
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[LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[nattan--- via Leedslist]

Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on Marsch 
from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's from a 
year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because it's badly 
written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you consider we'd 
tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
"At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that later."
"In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They press 
harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance after 
chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the opposition they 
create nothing."
"In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league title 
(a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL they look 
good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans complain that 
he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
"Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 14 
games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal with 
low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and not so 
good against less good sides."
"Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
"Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented heights 
in his absence."
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