Re: [LU] LUST Statement
I think LUST should have kept quiet to be honest. What do they expect to hear? It’s just another example of self-entitled whining, as if we are not allowed to fail. The season has been poor, from Board to fans. For LUST to moan about Orta giving a bit back is rich given the crap he’s had to face. Yes, he’s made signings that seem unfathomable, but for all his faults, you couldn’t doubt his passion, and our bone-headed fans should applaud his spirit. There has long been a racial angle to Orta which is pretty toxic. The long list of questions LUST ask is pretty badly timed - you would think over the next 4/6 weeks events will answer many of them. It’s all a bit disappointing for sure, but the club hasn’t folded, we’ve had far worse happen, but for me a large minority of our fans are complete and utter ars*holes - never known it as bad - I blame Brexit, Covid, Thatcher, Bob Stokoe, Ridsdale, Roque Jnr, Bill Fotherby - delete as appropriate! Sent from my iPad > On 29 May 2023, at 22:40, Michael Benjamin wrote: > > The one memorable, moving and encouraging aspect of this season has been our > fans. > I am proud to be one of them. > As for throwing the shirt back, it was a wee bit presumptuous of Rutter and > the reaction was amusing. > I am sure he will be one of the stars of our successful promotion drive, if > and when the management get their act together. > > Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Robert Heath > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:33:47 PM > To: John Boocock > Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] LUST Statement > > "We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have > consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the > bitter end." > > Er, well apart from singing "You're not fit to wear the shirt" on > several occasionsand booing and abusing players as they were > subbed.and throwing Rutter's shirt back at him when he tossed it > into the crowdand sending death threats to players. > > It has not been a great season by any stretch, but probably for me the > worst thing has been seeing (many of) the so-called fantastic Leeds fans > showing no real support at all. > >> On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 7:03 PM John Boocock wrote: >> >> I make no comment >> >> https://lufctrust.com/article/relegation-it-s-impossible >> >> At the start of the season, Andrea Radrizzani brazenly dismissed the >> risk of a survival battle for Leeds United, claiming relegation was >> "impossible". >> >> Well Andrea, it all feels very possible right now. >> >> The responsibility for our relegation lies with the people in charge. In >> another long, frustrating, and depressing season, the club has either >> made the wrong decisions or taken too long to make the right ones, >> leading to poor and forced choices. >> >> We won't list the failures and shortcomings here - it's plain to see >> what has gone wrong. It feels like a lifetime ago since the standards of >> Marcelo Bielsa turned this club into something Leeds United fans could >> be proud of, and we are now, quite literally, back in the same place we >> were 5 years ago. >> >> The fans can once again say that we have upheld our part of the bargain. >> We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have >> consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the >> bitter end. >> >> Despite this, there has often been a level of contempt shown for fans. >> We have seen the (ex) Director of Football goading fans, the Owner >> making outlandish statements in the media (and directly to fans on >> Twitter), and day-to-day supporter services and match day experience >> significantly decline. >> >> Trust has to be rebuilt between ownership and the wider fan base. >> >> As we prepare for life back in the Championship what can we expect? Who >> will own the club come August? >> >> How soon can we expect to see key staff appointments made? >> >> Earlier this week, we put the following questions to the club to try and >> understand what is in the plans going forward. >> >> * >> >>What do you believe has gone wrong? >> >> * >> >>What are the plans for the club's ownership and how quickly can we >>expect a definitive answer? >> >> * >> >>When will a Director of Football/Head of Football Recruitment >>appointment be made and what will the recruitment strategy
Re: [LU] LUST Statement
The one memorable, moving and encouraging aspect of this season has been our fans. I am proud to be one of them. As for throwing the shirt back, it was a wee bit presumptuous of Rutter and the reaction was amusing. I am sure he will be one of the stars of our successful promotion drive, if and when the management get their act together. Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: Leedslist on behalf of Robert Heath Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:33:47 PM To: John Boocock Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] LUST Statement "We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the bitter end." Er, well apart from singing "You're not fit to wear the shirt" on several occasionsand booing and abusing players as they were subbed.and throwing Rutter's shirt back at him when he tossed it into the crowdand sending death threats to players. It has not been a great season by any stretch, but probably for me the worst thing has been seeing (many of) the so-called fantastic Leeds fans showing no real support at all. On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 7:03 PM John Boocock wrote: > I make no comment > > https://lufctrust.com/article/relegation-it-s-impossible > > At the start of the season, Andrea Radrizzani brazenly dismissed the > risk of a survival battle for Leeds United, claiming relegation was > "impossible". > > Well Andrea, it all feels very possible right now. > > The responsibility for our relegation lies with the people in charge. In > another long, frustrating, and depressing season, the club has either > made the wrong decisions or taken too long to make the right ones, > leading to poor and forced choices. > > We won't list the failures and shortcomings here - it's plain to see > what has gone wrong. It feels like a lifetime ago since the standards of > Marcelo Bielsa turned this club into something Leeds United fans could > be proud of, and we are now, quite literally, back in the same place we > were 5 years ago. > > The fans can once again say that we have upheld our part of the bargain. > We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have > consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the > bitter end. > > Despite this, there has often been a level of contempt shown for fans. > We have seen the (ex) Director of Football goading fans, the Owner > making outlandish statements in the media (and directly to fans on > Twitter), and day-to-day supporter services and match day experience > significantly decline. > > Trust has to be rebuilt between ownership and the wider fan base. > > As we prepare for life back in the Championship what can we expect? Who > will own the club come August? > > How soon can we expect to see key staff appointments made? > > Earlier this week, we put the following questions to the club to try and > understand what is in the plans going forward. > > * > > What do you believe has gone wrong? > > * > > What are the plans for the club's ownership and how quickly can we > expect a definitive answer? > > * > > When will a Director of Football/Head of Football Recruitment > appointment be made and what will the recruitment strategy be? > > * > > Do we expect to start the new season with a new manager and how > quickly are those decisions going to be made? > > * > > How does the club's ownership structure plan to re-engage with > fans and rebuild the trust they acquired during our promotion from > the Championship? > > The club responded to say they will be addressing the entire fanbase and > their concerns directly post the final game. > > This is a group of fans that fear what the future holds post-relegation > more than most others, given how traumatic the previous Premier League > relegation was. > > We need clarity and reassurance, and we need it very soon. > > Marching on together. > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. __
Re: [LU] LUST Statement
"We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the bitter end." Er, well apart from singing "You're not fit to wear the shirt" on several occasionsand booing and abusing players as they were subbed.and throwing Rutter's shirt back at him when he tossed it into the crowdand sending death threats to players. It has not been a great season by any stretch, but probably for me the worst thing has been seeing (many of) the so-called fantastic Leeds fans showing no real support at all. On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 7:03 PM John Boocock wrote: > I make no comment > > https://lufctrust.com/article/relegation-it-s-impossible > > At the start of the season, Andrea Radrizzani brazenly dismissed the > risk of a survival battle for Leeds United, claiming relegation was > "impossible". > > Well Andrea, it all feels very possible right now. > > The responsibility for our relegation lies with the people in charge. In > another long, frustrating, and depressing season, the club has either > made the wrong decisions or taken too long to make the right ones, > leading to poor and forced choices. > > We won't list the failures and shortcomings here - it's plain to see > what has gone wrong. It feels like a lifetime ago since the standards of > Marcelo Bielsa turned this club into something Leeds United fans could > be proud of, and we are now, quite literally, back in the same place we > were 5 years ago. > > The fans can once again say that we have upheld our part of the bargain. > We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have > consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the > bitter end. > > Despite this, there has often been a level of contempt shown for fans. > We have seen the (ex) Director of Football goading fans, the Owner > making outlandish statements in the media (and directly to fans on > Twitter), and day-to-day supporter services and match day experience > significantly decline. > > Trust has to be rebuilt between ownership and the wider fan base. > > As we prepare for life back in the Championship what can we expect? Who > will own the club come August? > > How soon can we expect to see key staff appointments made? > > Earlier this week, we put the following questions to the club to try and > understand what is in the plans going forward. > > * > > What do you believe has gone wrong? > > * > > What are the plans for the club's ownership and how quickly can we > expect a definitive answer? > > * > > When will a Director of Football/Head of Football Recruitment > appointment be made and what will the recruitment strategy be? > > * > > Do we expect to start the new season with a new manager and how > quickly are those decisions going to be made? > > * > > How does the club's ownership structure plan to re-engage with > fans and rebuild the trust they acquired during our promotion from > the Championship? > > The club responded to say they will be addressing the entire fanbase and > their concerns directly post the final game. > > This is a group of fans that fear what the future holds post-relegation > more than most others, given how traumatic the previous Premier League > relegation was. > > We need clarity and reassurance, and we need it very soon. > > Marching on together. > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.
[LU] LUST Statement
I make no comment https://lufctrust.com/article/relegation-it-s-impossible At the start of the season, Andrea Radrizzani brazenly dismissed the risk of a survival battle for Leeds United, claiming relegation was "impossible". Well Andrea, it all feels very possible right now. The responsibility for our relegation lies with the people in charge. In another long, frustrating, and depressing season, the club has either made the wrong decisions or taken too long to make the right ones, leading to poor and forced choices. We won't list the failures and shortcomings here - it's plain to see what has gone wrong. It feels like a lifetime ago since the standards of Marcelo Bielsa turned this club into something Leeds United fans could be proud of, and we are now, quite literally, back in the same place we were 5 years ago. The fans can once again say that we have upheld our part of the bargain. We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the bitter end. Despite this, there has often been a level of contempt shown for fans. We have seen the (ex) Director of Football goading fans, the Owner making outlandish statements in the media (and directly to fans on Twitter), and day-to-day supporter services and match day experience significantly decline. Trust has to be rebuilt between ownership and the wider fan base. As we prepare for life back in the Championship what can we expect? Who will own the club come August? How soon can we expect to see key staff appointments made? Earlier this week, we put the following questions to the club to try and understand what is in the plans going forward. * What do you believe has gone wrong? * What are the plans for the club's ownership and how quickly can we expect a definitive answer? * When will a Director of Football/Head of Football Recruitment appointment be made and what will the recruitment strategy be? * Do we expect to start the new season with a new manager and how quickly are those decisions going to be made? * How does the club's ownership structure plan to re-engage with fans and rebuild the trust they acquired during our promotion from the Championship? The club responded to say they will be addressing the entire fanbase and their concerns directly post the final game. This is a group of fans that fear what the future holds post-relegation more than most others, given how traumatic the previous Premier League relegation was. We need clarity and reassurance, and we need it very soon. Marching on together. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.
Re: [LU] Lust statement
I think that "mealy mouthed" is the term. But then Mr Radrizzani should be judging LUST on their actions and not their words... Damian On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 8:33 PM, John Boocockwrote: > I find this statement neither here nor there. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Lust statement
I find this statement neither here nor there. As far as I can see MC is going for a dignified exit and the new guy Radrixzani (who looks to be solvent) has made all the right noises. Radrizzani's business background in sport looks fairly unblemished too (check out his company and make your own mind up). As I have said elsewhere, if he supports Monk and backs him in the transfer window with a view to promotion this season then he'll do for me (and as long as he is kind to animals) Betty LEEDS UNITED SUPPORTERS’ TRUST STATEMENT ON THE CONFIRMED 50% INVESTMENT IN LEEDS UNITED WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 4, 2017 AT 4:07PM The Trust welcomes today’s announcement of a 50% investment by Andrea Radrizzani, and indeed welcomes any equity change that takes the club forward, as we hope this will. We remain cautious about any new custodian of the club and believe all Leeds United fans should be vigilant while also being encouraged by the statements made by the football club and Mr Radrizzani himself today. There is still a number of questions to be asked about this change in ownership: how it will be affected by Massimo Cellino’s imminent ban; whether the widely reported news that a 100% takeover will take effect in the summer is accurate, and so on. For now, we are encouraged that Andrea Radrizzani has immediately highlighted the fantastic work undertaken by Garry Monk, his staff and his players, and also the fact that the new co-owner expresses intention to have long term involvement with the club. More than ever, Leeds United needs stability and recent months have proven how fruitful it can be. We will judge our new co-owner on his actions not his words, but we are pleased to see that Andrea Radrizzani is keen to uphold the traditions of our great club and to value our heritage as these are beliefs that align with the core values of the Supporters' Trust Sent from the North ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] LUST Statement on Finances
Donald Mouse? Is that an erroneous mixture of the duck and Mickey? Cheers Alec On 14/09/2012, at 8:57 AM, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: fascinating reading, sees that the business is in good health, BUT cash flow is a problem and the audit seems to be a bit dodgy, also a interesting reason why the due diligence might be taking a bit longer, basically the ridiculously large list of companies with a finger in our pie; Leeds United - Financial Analysis 2012 Further to comments from Ken Bates that the club “will continue to be run along proper lines,” we have undertaken a review of the financial situation at Leeds United. Following on from the latest cash analysis last week, the report below is based upon the views of independent football expert Rob Wilson and our own finance experts. The subjects covered are by no means exhaustive, but help to highlight the overall state of the financial situation at the club. 2011 Audited Accounts Further to our discovery of errors in the audited accounts Rob Wilson commented that, “I found your findings concerning,” and, “Your claims expose some, to be frank, poor attention to detail on behalf of the auditors and do not fill me with confidence in the firm.” Both ourselves and Rob welcomed the news that the accounts are to be revised by the auditors and resubmitted, and look forward to seeing the restated accounts once the errors have been investigated. Nevertheless Rob Wilson stood by his original comments upon first reading these accounts, which was that they indicated “good news from a business point of view.” While he believes the club was running well financially he made it clear that investment in playing staff is vital if Leeds are to progress in the coming years. He commented that, “There is a degree of balance that is needed and while it is good that the financial position is good I do believe that there is flexibility now to be more aggressive in the transfer market.” He expressed disappointment at the lack of any significant activity in the transfer market as he believes Leeds United have the resources to achieve this. Echoing our own Vision Statement he stated that, “I would expect the breakdown of expenditure to be more heavily focused on the football and first team squad side of the business as opposed to other things,” adding further that, “Leeds is one of the most well and actively supported clubs in English football and while a degree of concentration on mainstream opportunities, e.g. real estate etc, is helpful to diversify a portfolio your core business activity must be that of football and achieving on the field of play.” Both Rob and ourselves feel that the concentration should be on football as our main business activity, the core of the club. Wages and Wage Ratios Getting into the detail, Rob Wilson commented that the club’s wages to turnover ratio of 51% is outstanding and the club have an enviable position throughout the league system with very few clubs in a better position than this. The positivity of the ratio is not something that we disagree with, but for it to truly be envied as a business performance measure, success on the field must be coupled with it. Unfortunately this great financial achievement meant that we only finished 14th last season, so it is unlikely that Reading and Southampton, while only managing to attain ratios of 90% 100%, looked down on us from their promotion spots with much envy; nor would Norwich the season before with an 80% ratio. We do not advocate spending beyond our means to achieve the goal of promotion like these clubs have done; we are not in the fortunate position of having owners such as they do that have kept them afloat with cash injections. However, what we have that no other club in the Championship has, is a huge and loyal supporter base, which means we are among the top (if not the top) income generators in the division. Unlike the majority of clubs, we could compete with the top six spenders on wages without having to jeopardise good business practices and while maintaining wages ratios that would continue to be the envy of all around us. Rob Wilson agreed with our analysis that a 60% ratio is sustainable. On our current turnover, this would allow the club to spend up to £20m on wages (we spent £16m in 2011), which would put us firmly in the top six for this division. The importance of this statistic is that Deloitte’s analysis of the Championship (as part of their widely regarded annual football review) has demonstrated that to be in with the best chance of promotion from the Championship to the Premier League, a team has to be among the top wage six spenders in the league. Of course there are other factors involved, as the spending has to be on the right players, but in Neil Warnock we have a tried and trusted campaigner with years of experience, so if he were given a top six
[LU] LUST Statement on Finances
fascinating reading, sees that the business is in good health, BUT cash flow is a problem and the audit seems to be a bit dodgy, also a interesting reason why the due diligence might be taking a bit longer, basically the ridiculously large list of companies with a finger in our pie; Leeds United - Financial Analysis 2012 Further to comments from Ken Bates that the club will continue to be run along proper lines, we have undertaken a review of the financial situation at Leeds United. Following on from the latest cash analysis last week, the report below is based upon the views of independent football expert Rob Wilson and our own finance experts. The subjects covered are by no means exhaustive, but help to highlight the overall state of the financial situation at the club. 2011 Audited Accounts Further to our discovery of errors in the audited accounts Rob Wilson commented that, I found your findings concerning, and, Your claims expose some, to be frank, poor attention to detail on behalf of the auditors and do not fill me with confidence in the firm. Both ourselves and Rob welcomed the news that the accounts are to be revised by the auditors and resubmitted, and look forward to seeing the restated accounts once the errors have been investigated. Nevertheless Rob Wilson stood by his original comments upon first reading these accounts, which was that they indicated good news from a business point of view. While he believes the club was running well financially he made it clear that investment in playing staff is vital if Leeds are to progress in the coming years. He commented that, There is a degree of balance that is needed and while it is good that the financial position is good I do believe that there is flexibility now to be more aggressive in the transfer market. He expressed disappointment at the lack of any significant activity in the transfer market as he believes Leeds United have the resources to achieve this. Echoing our own Vision Statement he stated that, I would expect the breakdown of expenditure to be more heavily focused on the football and first team squad side of the business as opposed to other things, adding further that, Leeds is one of the most well and actively supported clubs in English football and while a degree of concentration on mainstream opportunities, e.g. real estate etc, is helpful to diversify a portfolio your core business activity must be that of football and achieving on the field of play. Both Rob and ourselves feel that the concentration should be on football as our main business activity, the core of the club. Wages and Wage Ratios Getting into the detail, Rob Wilson commented that the clubs wages to turnover ratio of 51% is outstanding and the club have an enviable position throughout the league system with very few clubs in a better position than this. The positivity of the ratio is not something that we disagree with, but for it to truly be envied as a business performance measure, success on the field must be coupled with it. Unfortunately this great financial achievement meant that we only finished 14th last season, so it is unlikely that Reading and Southampton, while only managing to attain ratios of 90% 100%, looked down on us from their promotion spots with much envy; nor would Norwich the season before with an 80% ratio. We do not advocate spending beyond our means to achieve the goal of promotion like these clubs have done; we are not in the fortunate position of having owners such as they do that have kept them afloat with cash injections. However, what we have that no other club in the Championship has, is a huge and loyal supporter base, which means we are among the top (if not the top) income generators in the division. Unlike the majority of clubs, we could compete with the top six spenders on wages without having to jeopardise good business practices and while maintaining wages ratios that would continue to be the envy of all around us. Rob Wilson agreed with our analysis that a 60% ratio is sustainable. On our current turnover, this would allow the club to spend up to £20m on wages (we spent £16m in 2011), which would put us firmly in the top six for this division. The importance of this statistic is that Deloittes analysis of the Championship (as part of their widely regarded annual football review) has demonstrated that to be in with the best chance of promotion from the Championship to the Premier League, a team has to be among the top wage six spenders in the league. Of course there are other factors involved, as the spending has to be on the right players, but in Neil Warnock we have a tried and trusted campaigner with years of experience, so if he were given a top six budget we are sure our odds for promotion would be even better than Deloittes suggest. Profits Rob Wilson suggested to us that the 3% profit before tax margin shown in the last set of accounts fairs really well in the context of the league. He