Re: [LU] LUST Statement

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I think LUST should have kept quiet to be honest. What do they expect to hear? 
It’s just another example of self-entitled whining, as if we are not allowed to 
fail. The season has been poor, from Board to fans. For LUST to moan about Orta 
giving a bit back is rich given the crap he’s had to face. Yes, he’s made 
signings that seem unfathomable, but for all his faults, you couldn’t doubt his 
passion, and our bone-headed fans should applaud his spirit. There has long 
been a racial angle to Orta which is pretty toxic. 

The long list of questions LUST ask is pretty badly timed - you would think 
over the next 4/6 weeks events will answer many of them. 

It’s all a bit disappointing for sure, but the club hasn’t folded, we’ve had 
far worse happen, but for me a large minority of our fans are complete and 
utter ars*holes - never known it as bad - I blame Brexit, Covid, Thatcher, Bob 
Stokoe, Ridsdale, Roque Jnr, Bill Fotherby - delete as appropriate!  

Sent from my iPad

> On 29 May 2023, at 22:40, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> The one memorable, moving and encouraging aspect of this season has been our 
> fans.
> I am proud to be one of them.
> As for throwing the shirt back, it was a wee bit presumptuous of Rutter and 
> the reaction was amusing.
> I am sure he will be one of the stars of our successful promotion drive, if 
> and when the management get their act together.
> 
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> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert Heath 
> 
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:33:47 PM
> To: John Boocock 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] LUST Statement
> 
> "We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have
> consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the
> bitter end."
> 
> Er, well apart from singing "You're not fit to wear the shirt" on
> several occasionsand booing and abusing players as they were
> subbed.and throwing Rutter's shirt back at him when he tossed it
> into the crowdand sending death threats to players.
> 
> It has not been a great season by any stretch, but probably for me the
> worst thing has been seeing (many of) the so-called fantastic Leeds fans
> showing no real support at all.
> 
>> On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 7:03 PM John Boocock  wrote:
>> 
>> I make no comment
>> 
>> https://lufctrust.com/article/relegation-it-s-impossible
>> 
>> At the start of the season, Andrea Radrizzani brazenly dismissed the
>> risk of a survival battle for Leeds United, claiming relegation was
>> "impossible".
>> 
>> Well Andrea, it all feels very possible right now.
>> 
>> The responsibility for our relegation lies with the people in charge. In
>> another long, frustrating, and depressing season, the club has either
>> made the wrong decisions or taken too long to make the right ones,
>> leading to poor and forced choices.
>> 
>> We won't list the failures and shortcomings here - it's plain to see
>> what has gone wrong. It feels like a lifetime ago since the standards of
>> Marcelo Bielsa turned this club into something Leeds United fans could
>> be proud of, and we are now, quite literally, back in the same place we
>> were 5 years ago.
>> 
>> The fans can once again say that we have upheld our part of the bargain.
>> We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have
>> consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the
>> bitter end.
>> 
>> Despite this, there has often been a level of contempt shown for fans.
>> We have seen the (ex) Director of Football goading fans, the Owner
>> making outlandish statements in the media (and directly to fans on
>> Twitter), and day-to-day supporter services and match day experience
>> significantly decline.
>> 
>> Trust has to be rebuilt between ownership and the wider fan base.
>> 
>> As we prepare for life back in the Championship what can we expect? Who
>> will own the club come August?
>> 
>> How soon can we expect to see key staff appointments made?
>> 
>> Earlier this week, we put the following questions to the club to try and
>> understand what is in the plans going forward.
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>>What do you believe has gone wrong?
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>>What are the plans for the club's ownership and how quickly can we
>>expect a definitive answer?
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>>When will a Director of Football/Head of Football Recruitment
>>appointment be made and what will the recruitment strategy 

Re: [LU] LUST Statement

[Michael Benjamin]

The one memorable, moving and encouraging aspect of this season has been our 
fans.
I am proud to be one of them.
As for throwing the shirt back, it was a wee bit presumptuous of Rutter and the 
reaction was amusing.
I am sure he will be one of the stars of our successful promotion drive, if and 
when the management get their act together.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert Heath 

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:33:47 PM
To: John Boocock 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] LUST Statement

"We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have
consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the
bitter end."

Er, well apart from singing "You're not fit to wear the shirt" on
several occasionsand booing and abusing players as they were
subbed.and throwing Rutter's shirt back at him when he tossed it
into the crowdand sending death threats to players.

It has not been a great season by any stretch, but probably for me the
worst thing has been seeing (many of) the so-called fantastic Leeds fans
showing no real support at all.

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 7:03 PM John Boocock  wrote:

> I make no comment
>
> https://lufctrust.com/article/relegation-it-s-impossible
>
> At the start of the season, Andrea Radrizzani brazenly dismissed the
> risk of a survival battle for Leeds United, claiming relegation was
> "impossible".
>
> Well Andrea, it all feels very possible right now.
>
> The responsibility for our relegation lies with the people in charge. In
> another long, frustrating, and depressing season, the club has either
> made the wrong decisions or taken too long to make the right ones,
> leading to poor and forced choices.
>
> We won't list the failures and shortcomings here - it's plain to see
> what has gone wrong. It feels like a lifetime ago since the standards of
> Marcelo Bielsa turned this club into something Leeds United fans could
> be proud of, and we are now, quite literally, back in the same place we
> were 5 years ago.
>
> The fans can once again say that we have upheld our part of the bargain.
> We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have
> consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the
> bitter end.
>
> Despite this, there has often been a level of contempt shown for fans.
> We have seen the (ex) Director of Football goading fans, the Owner
> making outlandish statements in the media (and directly to fans on
> Twitter), and day-to-day supporter services and match day experience
> significantly decline.
>
> Trust has to be rebuilt between ownership and the wider fan base.
>
> As we prepare for life back in the Championship what can we expect? Who
> will own the club come August?
>
> How soon can we expect to see key staff appointments made?
>
> Earlier this week, we put the following questions to the club to try and
> understand what is in the plans going forward.
>
>   *
>
> What do you believe has gone wrong?
>
>   *
>
> What are the plans for the club's ownership and how quickly can we
> expect a definitive answer?
>
>   *
>
> When will a Director of Football/Head of Football Recruitment
> appointment be made and what will the recruitment strategy be?
>
>   *
>
> Do we expect to start the new season with a new manager and how
> quickly are those decisions going to be made?
>
>   *
>
> How does the club's ownership structure plan to re-engage with
> fans and rebuild the trust they acquired during our promotion from
> the Championship?
>
> The club responded to say they will be addressing the entire fanbase and
> their concerns directly post the final game.
>
> This is a group of fans that fear what the future holds post-relegation
> more than most others, given how traumatic the previous Premier League
> relegation was.
>
> We need clarity and reassurance, and we need it very soon.
>
> Marching on together.
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Re: [LU] LUST Statement

[Robert Heath]

"We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have
consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the
bitter end."

Er, well apart from singing "You're not fit to wear the shirt" on
several occasionsand booing and abusing players as they were
subbed.and throwing Rutter's shirt back at him when he tossed it
into the crowdand sending death threats to players.

It has not been a great season by any stretch, but probably for me the
worst thing has been seeing (many of) the so-called fantastic Leeds fans
showing no real support at all.

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 7:03 PM John Boocock  wrote:

> I make no comment
>
> https://lufctrust.com/article/relegation-it-s-impossible
>
> At the start of the season, Andrea Radrizzani brazenly dismissed the
> risk of a survival battle for Leeds United, claiming relegation was
> "impossible".
>
> Well Andrea, it all feels very possible right now.
>
> The responsibility for our relegation lies with the people in charge. In
> another long, frustrating, and depressing season, the club has either
> made the wrong decisions or taken too long to make the right ones,
> leading to poor and forced choices.
>
> We won't list the failures and shortcomings here - it's plain to see
> what has gone wrong. It feels like a lifetime ago since the standards of
> Marcelo Bielsa turned this club into something Leeds United fans could
> be proud of, and we are now, quite literally, back in the same place we
> were 5 years ago.
>
> The fans can once again say that we have upheld our part of the bargain.
> We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have
> consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the
> bitter end.
>
> Despite this, there has often been a level of contempt shown for fans.
> We have seen the (ex) Director of Football goading fans, the Owner
> making outlandish statements in the media (and directly to fans on
> Twitter), and day-to-day supporter services and match day experience
> significantly decline.
>
> Trust has to be rebuilt between ownership and the wider fan base.
>
> As we prepare for life back in the Championship what can we expect? Who
> will own the club come August?
>
> How soon can we expect to see key staff appointments made?
>
> Earlier this week, we put the following questions to the club to try and
> understand what is in the plans going forward.
>
>   *
>
> What do you believe has gone wrong?
>
>   *
>
> What are the plans for the club's ownership and how quickly can we
> expect a definitive answer?
>
>   *
>
> When will a Director of Football/Head of Football Recruitment
> appointment be made and what will the recruitment strategy be?
>
>   *
>
> Do we expect to start the new season with a new manager and how
> quickly are those decisions going to be made?
>
>   *
>
> How does the club's ownership structure plan to re-engage with
> fans and rebuild the trust they acquired during our promotion from
> the Championship?
>
> The club responded to say they will be addressing the entire fanbase and
> their concerns directly post the final game.
>
> This is a group of fans that fear what the future holds post-relegation
> more than most others, given how traumatic the previous Premier League
> relegation was.
>
> We need clarity and reassurance, and we need it very soon.
>
> Marching on together.
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[LU] LUST Statement

[John Boocock]

I make no comment

https://lufctrust.com/article/relegation-it-s-impossible

At the start of the season, Andrea Radrizzani brazenly dismissed the 
risk of a survival battle for Leeds United, claiming relegation was 
"impossible".


Well Andrea, it all feels very possible right now.

The responsibility for our relegation lies with the people in charge. In 
another long, frustrating, and depressing season, the club has either 
made the wrong decisions or taken too long to make the right ones, 
leading to poor and forced choices.


We won't list the failures and shortcomings here - it's plain to see 
what has gone wrong. It feels like a lifetime ago since the standards of 
Marcelo Bielsa turned this club into something Leeds United fans could 
be proud of, and we are now, quite literally, back in the same place we 
were 5 years ago.


The fans can once again say that we have upheld our part of the bargain. 
We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have 
consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the 
bitter end.


Despite this, there has often been a level of contempt shown for fans. 
We have seen the (ex) Director of Football goading fans, the Owner 
making outlandish statements in the media (and directly to fans on 
Twitter), and day-to-day supporter services and match day experience 
significantly decline.


Trust has to be rebuilt between ownership and the wider fan base.

As we prepare for life back in the Championship what can we expect? Who 
will own the club come August?


How soon can we expect to see key staff appointments made?

Earlier this week, we put the following questions to the club to try and 
understand what is in the plans going forward.


 *

   What do you believe has gone wrong?

 *

   What are the plans for the club's ownership and how quickly can we
   expect a definitive answer?

 *

   When will a Director of Football/Head of Football Recruitment
   appointment be made and what will the recruitment strategy be?

 *

   Do we expect to start the new season with a new manager and how
   quickly are those decisions going to be made?

 *

   How does the club's ownership structure plan to re-engage with
   fans and rebuild the trust they acquired during our promotion from
   the Championship?

The club responded to say they will be addressing the entire fanbase and 
their concerns directly post the final game.


This is a group of fans that fear what the future holds post-relegation 
more than most others, given how traumatic the previous Premier League 
relegation was.


We need clarity and reassurance, and we need it very soon.

Marching on together.
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Re: [LU] Lust statement

[Damian Walsh]

I think that "mealy mouthed" is the term. But then Mr Radrizzani should be
judging LUST on their actions and not their words...

Damian

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 8:33 PM, John Boocock  wrote:

> I find this statement neither here nor there.
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[LU] Lust statement

[John Boocock]

I find this statement neither here nor there. As far as I can see MC is going 
for a dignified exit and the new guy Radrixzani (who looks to be solvent) has 
made all the right noises. Radrizzani's business background in sport looks 
fairly unblemished too (check out his company and make your own mind up). 

As I have said elsewhere, if he supports Monk and backs him in the transfer 
window with a view to promotion this season then he'll do for me (and as long 
as he is kind to animals)

Betty



LEEDS UNITED SUPPORTERS’ TRUST STATEMENT ON THE CONFIRMED 50% INVESTMENT IN 
LEEDS UNITED

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 4, 2017 AT 4:07PM

The Trust welcomes today’s announcement of a 50% investment by Andrea 
Radrizzani, and indeed welcomes any equity change that takes the club forward, 
as we hope this will.

We remain cautious about any new custodian of the club and believe all Leeds 
United fans should be vigilant while also being encouraged by the statements 
made by the football club and Mr Radrizzani himself today. There is still a 
number of questions to be asked about this change in ownership: how it will be 
affected by Massimo Cellino’s imminent ban; whether the widely reported news 
that a 100% takeover will take effect in the summer is accurate, and so on.

For now, we are encouraged that Andrea Radrizzani has immediately highlighted 
the fantastic work undertaken by Garry Monk, his staff and his players, and 
also the fact that the new co-owner expresses intention to have long term 
involvement with the club. More than ever, Leeds United needs stability and 
recent months have proven how fruitful it can be.

We will judge our new co-owner on his actions not his words, but we are pleased 
to see that Andrea Radrizzani is keen to uphold the traditions of our great 
club and to value our heritage as these are beliefs that align with the core 
values of the Supporters' Trust


Sent from the North
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Re: [LU] LUST Statement on Finances

[Alec McQueen]

Donald Mouse? Is that an erroneous mixture of the duck and Mickey? 

Cheers
Alec

On 14/09/2012, at 8:57 AM, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk 
wrote:

 fascinating reading, sees that the business is in good health, BUT cash flow
 is a problem and the audit seems to be a bit dodgy, also a interesting
 reason why the due diligence might be taking a bit longer, basically the
 ridiculously large list of companies with a finger in our pie;
 
 
 
 Leeds United - Financial Analysis 2012
 
 Further to comments from Ken Bates that the club “will continue to be run
 along proper lines,” we have undertaken a review of the financial situation
 at Leeds United. Following on from the latest cash analysis last week, the
 report below is based upon the views of independent football expert Rob
 Wilson and our own finance experts. The subjects covered are by no means
 exhaustive, but help to highlight the overall state of the financial
 situation at the club.
 
 2011 Audited Accounts
 
 Further to our discovery of errors in the audited accounts Rob Wilson
 commented that, “I found your findings concerning,” and, “Your claims expose
 some, to be frank, poor attention to detail on behalf of the auditors and do
 not fill me with confidence in the firm.” Both ourselves and Rob welcomed
 the news that the accounts are to be revised by the auditors and
 resubmitted, and look forward to seeing the restated accounts once the
 errors have been investigated.
 
 Nevertheless Rob Wilson stood by his original comments upon first reading
 these accounts, which was that they indicated “good news from a business
 point of view.”
 
 While he believes the club was running well financially he made it clear
 that investment in playing staff is vital if Leeds are to progress in the
 coming years. He commented that, “There is a degree of balance that is
 needed and while it is good that the financial position is good I do believe
 that there is flexibility now to be more aggressive in the transfer market.”
 He expressed disappointment at the lack of any significant activity in the
 transfer market as he believes Leeds United have the resources to achieve
 this. Echoing our own Vision Statement he stated that, “I would expect the
 breakdown of expenditure to be more heavily focused on the football and
 first team squad side of the business as opposed to other things,” adding
 further that, “Leeds is one of the most well and actively supported clubs in
 English football and while a degree of concentration on mainstream
 opportunities, e.g. real estate etc, is helpful to diversify a portfolio
 your core business activity must be that of football and achieving on the
 field of play.” Both Rob and ourselves feel that the concentration should be
 on football as our main business activity, the core of the club.
 
 Wages and Wage Ratios
 
 Getting into the detail, Rob Wilson commented that the club’s wages to
 turnover ratio of 51% is outstanding and the club have an enviable position
 throughout the league system with very few clubs in a better position than
 this. The positivity of the ratio is not something that we disagree with,
 but for it to truly be envied as a business performance measure, success on
 the field must be coupled with it.
 
 Unfortunately this great financial achievement meant that we only finished
 14th last season, so it is unlikely that Reading and Southampton, while only
 managing to attain ratios of 90%  100%, looked down on us from their
 promotion spots with much envy; nor would Norwich the season before with an
 80% ratio. We do not advocate spending beyond our means to achieve the goal
 of promotion like these clubs have done; we are not in the fortunate
 position of having owners such as they do that have kept them afloat with
 cash injections.
 
 However, what we have that no other club in the Championship has, is a huge
 and loyal supporter base, which means we are among the top (if not the top)
 income generators in the division. Unlike the majority of clubs, we could
 compete with the top six spenders on wages without having to jeopardise good
 business practices and while maintaining wages ratios that would continue to
 be the envy of all around us. Rob Wilson agreed with our analysis that a 60%
 ratio is sustainable.
 
 On our current turnover, this would allow the club to spend up to £20m on
 wages (we spent £16m in 2011), which would put us firmly in the top six for
 this division. The importance of this statistic is that Deloitte’s analysis
 of the Championship (as part of their widely regarded annual football
 review) has demonstrated that to be in with the best chance of promotion
 from the Championship to the Premier League, a team has to be among the top
 wage six spenders in the league. Of course there are other factors involved,
 as the spending has to be on the right players, but in Neil Warnock we have
 a tried and trusted campaigner with years of experience, so if he were given
 a top six 

[LU] LUST Statement on Finances

[Richard Naef]

fascinating reading, sees that the business is in good health, BUT cash flow
is a problem and the audit seems to be a bit dodgy, also a interesting
reason why the due diligence might be taking a bit longer, basically the
ridiculously large list of companies with a finger in our pie;

 

Leeds United - Financial Analysis 2012

Further to comments from Ken Bates that the club “will continue to be run
along proper lines,” we have undertaken a review of the financial situation
at Leeds United. Following on from the latest cash analysis last week, the
report below is based upon the views of independent football expert Rob
Wilson and our own finance experts. The subjects covered are by no means
exhaustive, but help to highlight the overall state of the financial
situation at the club.

2011 Audited Accounts

Further to our discovery of errors in the audited accounts Rob Wilson
commented that, “I found your findings concerning,” and, “Your claims expose
some, to be frank, poor attention to detail on behalf of the auditors and do
not fill me with confidence in the firm.” Both ourselves and Rob welcomed
the news that the accounts are to be revised by the auditors and
resubmitted, and look forward to seeing the restated accounts once the
errors have been investigated.

Nevertheless Rob Wilson stood by his original comments upon first reading
these accounts, which was that they indicated “good news from a business
point of view.”

While he believes the club was running well financially he made it clear
that investment in playing staff is vital if Leeds are to progress in the
coming years. He commented that, “There is a degree of balance that is
needed and while it is good that the financial position is good I do believe
that there is flexibility now to be more aggressive in the transfer market.”
He expressed disappointment at the lack of any significant activity in the
transfer market as he believes Leeds United have the resources to achieve
this. Echoing our own Vision Statement he stated that, “I would expect the
breakdown of expenditure to be more heavily focused on the football and
first team squad side of the business as opposed to other things,” adding
further that, “Leeds is one of the most well and actively supported clubs in
English football and while a degree of concentration on mainstream
opportunities, e.g. real estate etc, is helpful to diversify a portfolio
your core business activity must be that of football and achieving on the
field of play.” Both Rob and ourselves feel that the concentration should be
on football as our main business activity, the core of the club.

Wages and Wage Ratios

Getting into the detail, Rob Wilson commented that the club’s wages to
turnover ratio of 51% is outstanding and the club have an enviable position
throughout the league system with very few clubs in a better position than
this. The positivity of the ratio is not something that we disagree with,
but for it to truly be envied as a business performance measure, success on
the field must be coupled with it.

Unfortunately this great financial achievement meant that we only finished
14th last season, so it is unlikely that Reading and Southampton, while only
managing to attain ratios of 90%  100%, looked down on us from their
promotion spots with much envy; nor would Norwich the season before with an
80% ratio. We do not advocate spending beyond our means to achieve the goal
of promotion like these clubs have done; we are not in the fortunate
position of having owners such as they do that have kept them afloat with
cash injections.

However, what we have that no other club in the Championship has, is a huge
and loyal supporter base, which means we are among the top (if not the top)
income generators in the division. Unlike the majority of clubs, we could
compete with the top six spenders on wages without having to jeopardise good
business practices and while maintaining wages ratios that would continue to
be the envy of all around us. Rob Wilson agreed with our analysis that a 60%
ratio is sustainable.

On our current turnover, this would allow the club to spend up to £20m on
wages (we spent £16m in 2011), which would put us firmly in the top six for
this division. The importance of this statistic is that Deloitte’s analysis
of the Championship (as part of their widely regarded annual football
review) has demonstrated that to be in with the best chance of promotion
from the Championship to the Premier League, a team has to be among the top
wage six spenders in the league. Of course there are other factors involved,
as the spending has to be on the right players, but in Neil Warnock we have
a tried and trusted campaigner with years of experience, so if he were given
a top six budget we are sure our odds for promotion would be even better
than Deloitte’s suggest.

Profits

Rob Wilson suggested to us that the 3% profit before tax margin shown in the
last set of accounts fairs really well in the context of the league. He