Re: OM5 machines
Glad to hear that. I ran a stress test on my Hybrid and burned out the Z stepper after 2.5 hr. Will get it replaced this week. Turned out that the wrong current limit resistor was in machine. Have you implemented the version of Legacy's Smart Tool ? - Original Message - From: Stan Shuford To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:10 AM Subject: Re: OM5 machines Art, I a running the smoothstepper om my Joe's with an indexer and having no problems. I'm running the current download code. Stan Shuford s...@shuford.com On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Art Ransom akran...@tx.rr.com wrote: Thought I sent this but it didn't show up in my email. I have heard that Legacy uses the Smooth Stepper instead of PPs. If this is true what version of driver are they using and what are SS settings. I discovered problems with SS and rotary axis and Reference All so went back to PP. If they are running the SS then the problems are fixed and I can go back to SS. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: Legacy's CNC machines
El Sobrante. It's between Richmond and Pinole, up towards Vallejo/ Benicia. On Mar 21, 3:11 pm, BRUCE DORWORTH b...@prodigy.net wrote: Stickman where in California are you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: Legacy's CNC machines
Art - Your assessment is basically correct as far as what I might hope to do with flat stock. OTOH, nothing I'm doing is as large as 54. My knives run from 6-14 in length and the longer blades are basically short swords 18-24 in length. With a bigger machine, there's one double-handed sword from the southern Philippines that would go about 36, but that has a very flat blade so I'd just go with table clamping. However, it isn't the handles that have given me the most trouble thus far. I've yet to figure out is how well I can bevel a blade using ball cutters. I used to have my products done in a professional machine shop, and they had a custom 1/2 shaft bit made with a 115° blade angle. My current setup only uses 1/4 and 1/8 bits. Up till now I've done the bevels with brute force on a router table, then finished with a lot of sanding. I was thinking that with rotary indexing I might be able to use a flat cutter to do the beveling on those shorter pieces. As for the handles, since I'm using 1/2 thick delrin, those only get a profile cut. I then bookmatch the sides with 1/4 material for the final shaping. Those would be done flat clamped, and depending on the design, would be either finished completely on the CNC or textured my older way, hand sanded or with a spindle sander for a wood-grain finish. - Jeff On Mar 21, 4:46 pm, Art Ransom akran...@tx.rr.com wrote: Stickman, I believe that I understand the basics of what you want to do. Will go through the procedure as I see it. Project. Mill an 4' Medieval sword Mount stock and turn the oval handle with both roughing and finishing cuts using 1/4 and 1/8 ball nose. Material stops with flat of blade horizontal. At this stage the bow of a 54 piece of stock is a major concern. Manually place a support under the material length to prevent bowing. It will stay till this side is finished. Using a combination of cutters, probably 1/4 and 1/8 ball nose mill one side of sword completely. Remove support and have the machine rotate the stock 180 degrees. Again manually mount a support under blade length. Repeater the previous milling steps to finish this side of blade but this time leave enough material at each end to hold blank. You now have a finished sword except for the small amount at each end that will need to be hand finished. This is the basic idea but will take some trials to get feed rates etc. right. To speed things you probably do roughing cuts with a down cut bit on blade. Use down cut so it presses stock against the support. I would guess machine time at 2 to 3 hours and feed rates will be less than 150 IPM. Both the Legacy or the Shopbot will do the job. Actually a rotary axis is probably not needed and it could be done easier on a 3 axis router. - Original Message - From: BRUCE DORWORTH To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Legacy's CNC machines Stickman where in California are you? Bruce --- On Sun, 3/21/10, Stickman serrad...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stickman serrad...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Legacy's CNC machines To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 12:58 AM Thank you for the replies on here. I haven't had a chance to discuss Legacy machines with anyone yet, but this is a start. I found your group through google's response to one of my queries; I'll check on the legacy cnc group suggested here as well. Art, you're well represented online! I've already bookmarked your site. I'm not a traditional woodworker, and my CNC experience is somewhat limited, but here's my background in brief. I started working with rattan in 1985, teaching myself how to fire harden the wood to make sticks used in Filipino martial arts. All I needed back then was a circular saw, disk sander and a propane torch. Eventually I began experimenting with various high-impact plastics, becoming the first person to market synthetic sticks for martial arts, which eventually introduced me to router tables. That led me to the further step of making templates and cutting copies of exotic looking Filipino and Indonesian weapons on a pin-router using delrin, which is tough enough to handle sparring. Japanese martial artists have long used wooden bokken for such training; I've been taking that concept to making training weapons for the Filipino arts. Through techniques I developed on my own, my plastic blades look a lot like rosewood or kamagong (Philippine mahogany). It's not uncommon for people to insist I'm using wood, but durability and consistency of the plastic
Re: Legacy's CNC machines
The reason I asked, is I am in Vacaville. I started with a Legacy 1200. A guy on this forum converted his to a CNC(before Legacy got into CNC). This got my interest, but the person that converted his, found out that the manual Legacy's did not work very well as a CNC. He then decided to build a Joe's 4x4 Hybrid(joescnc.com)., I in turn have done the same. Several people have built a 4th axis(rotary) on their CNC with great success. I have not made this mod yet. You can contact me off line if you like at bad at prodigy dot net. Bruce --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Stickman serrad...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stickman serrad...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Legacy's CNC machines To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 9:42 AM El Sobrante. It's between Richmond and Pinole, up towards Vallejo/ Benicia. On Mar 21, 3:11 pm, BRUCE DORWORTH b...@prodigy.net wrote: Stickman where in California are you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: Legacy's CNC machines
Hey stickman I don't know about the other guys but I sure would like to see some pictures of some of your swords and sticks and stuff although it was not done on a legacy its still woodwork just past them to the email when you next post Bill - Original Message - From: Stickman serrad...@gmail.com To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:00 AM Subject: Re: Legacy's CNC machines Art - Your assessment is basically correct as far as what I might hope to do with flat stock. OTOH, nothing I'm doing is as large as 54. My knives run from 6-14 in length and the longer blades are basically short swords 18-24 in length. With a bigger machine, there's one double-handed sword from the southern Philippines that would go about 36, but that has a very flat blade so I'd just go with table clamping. However, it isn't the handles that have given me the most trouble thus far. I've yet to figure out is how well I can bevel a blade using ball cutters. I used to have my products done in a professional machine shop, and they had a custom 1/2 shaft bit made with a 115° blade angle. My current setup only uses 1/4 and 1/8 bits. Up till now I've done the bevels with brute force on a router table, then finished with a lot of sanding. I was thinking that with rotary indexing I might be able to use a flat cutter to do the beveling on those shorter pieces. As for the handles, since I'm using 1/2 thick delrin, those only get a profile cut. I then bookmatch the sides with 1/4 material for the final shaping. Those would be done flat clamped, and depending on the design, would be either finished completely on the CNC or textured my older way, hand sanded or with a spindle sander for a wood-grain finish. - Jeff On Mar 21, 4:46 pm, Art Ransom akran...@tx.rr.com wrote: Stickman, I believe that I understand the basics of what you want to do. Will go through the procedure as I see it. Project. Mill an 4' Medieval sword Mount stock and turn the oval handle with both roughing and finishing cuts using 1/4 and 1/8 ball nose. Material stops with flat of blade horizontal. At this stage the bow of a 54 piece of stock is a major concern. Manually place a support under the material length to prevent bowing. It will stay till this side is finished. Using a combination of cutters, probably 1/4 and 1/8 ball nose mill one side of sword completely. Remove support and have the machine rotate the stock 180 degrees. Again manually mount a support under blade length. Repeater the previous milling steps to finish this side of blade but this time leave enough material at each end to hold blank. You now have a finished sword except for the small amount at each end that will need to be hand finished. This is the basic idea but will take some trials to get feed rates etc. right. To speed things you probably do roughing cuts with a down cut bit on blade. Use down cut so it presses stock against the support. I would guess machine time at 2 to 3 hours and feed rates will be less than 150 IPM. Both the Legacy or the Shopbot will do the job. Actually a rotary axis is probably not needed and it could be done easier on a 3 axis router. - Original Message - From: BRUCE DORWORTH To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Legacy's CNC machines Stickman where in California are you? Bruce --- On Sun, 3/21/10, Stickman serrad...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stickman serrad...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Legacy's CNC machines To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 12:58 AM Thank you for the replies on here. I haven't had a chance to discuss Legacy machines with anyone yet, but this is a start. I found your group through google's response to one of my queries; I'll check on the legacy cnc group suggested here as well. Art, you're well represented online! I've already bookmarked your site. I'm not a traditional woodworker, and my CNC experience is somewhat limited, but here's my background in brief. I started working with rattan in 1985, teaching myself how to fire harden the wood to make sticks used in Filipino martial arts. All I needed back then was a circular saw, disk sander and a propane torch. Eventually I began experimenting with various high-impact plastics, becoming the first person to market synthetic sticks for martial arts, which eventually introduced me to router tables. That led me to the further step of making templates and cutting copies of exotic looking Filipino and Indonesian weapons on a pin-router using delrin, which is tough enough to handle sparring. Japanese martial artists have long used wooden bokken for such training; I've been taking that concept to making training weapons for the Filipino arts. Through techniques I developed on my own, my plastic blades look a lot like rosewood or kamagong (Philippine mahogany). It's not uncommon
Re: OM5 machines
Yes, I have the smart tool. I found that Kent's macro code is more reliable. The submarine dives are not fun. Hope your health problems are better. Stan Shuford s...@shuford.com On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Art Ransom akran...@tx.rr.com wrote: Glad to hear that. I ran a stress test on my Hybrid and burned out the Z stepper after 2.5 hr. Will get it replaced this week. Turned out that the wrong current limit resistor was in machine. Have you implemented the version of Legacy's Smart Tool ? - Original Message - *From:* Stan Shuford s...@shuford.com *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2010 8:10 AM *Subject:* Re: OM5 machines Art, I a running the smoothstepper om my Joe's with an indexer and having no problems. I'm running the current download code. Stan Shuford s...@shuford.com On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Art Ransom akran...@tx.rr.com wrote: Thought I sent this but it didn't show up in my email. I have heard that Legacy uses the Smooth Stepper instead of PPs. If this is true what version of driver are they using and what are SS settings. I discovered problems with SS and rotary axis and Reference All so went back to PP. If they are running the SS then the problems are fixed and I can go back to SS. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comlegacy-ornamental-mills%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comlegacy-ornamental-mills%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comlegacy-ornamental-mills%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: View this page TK - Kaleidoscope - August 2009
Hi Tim,smashing idea,we will all use it I hope and have a gallery to rival any on the net,I'm sure Bill has some really good pics.to post,and Curt and the rest of the gang,it helps with the inspiration on a rainy day,good work, MAC. On Mar 22, 10:39 pm, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote: Yes you can choose more than one image per page. Couple limitations, 1.. The message cannot exceed I believe 2mb in size. So, your pictures will have to trimmed in size. 2.. The picture file name cannot include a space in the file name. Use an underscore or a hyphen, or nothing in place of the space. 3.. When you browse for the file name on your hard drive, you have to select individual images and then upload them one at a time by choosing the upload button. It would appear that you are not able to select groups of photos and upload them. 4.. All of your images you upload get placed in two locations. One is in the message body and two is in the file area. I see some of them and judging by the size, No. 1 and 2 is your problem. 5.. If all else fails, send them to me with your story and I will upload them for you. I need to make a tutorial on how to do this. It's less than clear so don't feel bad or discouraged! I'm a little under the weather today so this will have to wait. -Tim - Original Message - From: gk777 groovyw...@gmail.com To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: Re: View this page TK - Kaleidoscope - August 2009 So can you aonly post one picture per page or can you add more. I posted a walnut hollow barley twist candlestick. On Mar 20, 11:57 pm, Tim artmarb...@comcast.net wrote: Hello All, I have just created a Gallery area on our Google Groups Home page. It's an invitation for members to post projects made with the Legacy Ornamental Mill. To create a page you simply sign in and select the Add Pages button. From there you can create a custom page with links and pictures. Please include a decent description and try to follow the simple title format of Your Initials or name followed by a hyphen followed by Project Title or Type followed by a hyphen with the month and year made. That way it will be easy to find a project by user or type when you look at the pages list. Once you save your page you have an option to send a message such as this one to let the group know a new page has been created featuring your work. I hope the members will find this new feature of some use. -Tim Click onhttp://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/web/tk-august-... - or copy paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
View this page 21st birthday key
Click on http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/web/21st-birthday-key?hl=en_US - or copy paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: View this page 21st birthday key
I just tried to post a pic in the gallery to see if I could do it hope it works it was hard to find the pic after I uploaded it I probably have about 10 of the same pic loaded sorry if this is the case Bill - Original Message - From: aussiman bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: View this page 21st birthday key Click on http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/web/21st-birthday-key?hl=en_US - or copy paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: Legacy's CNC machines
I've just been posting directly on here, but I sent an email a few minutes ago with four pictures. Hope it shows up! On Mar 22, 2:16 pm, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote: Hey stickman I don't know about the other guys but I sure would like to see some pictures of some of your swords and sticks and stuff although it was not done on a legacy its still woodwork just past them to the email when you next post -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: Legacy mills
A couple of manual mills on ebay if any one is interested fellas that have turned to cnc perhaps http://cgi.ebay.com/LEGACY-ORNAMENTAL-MILL-Model-1800-For-Wood_W0QQitemZ170457689252QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27b011eca4#ht_582wt_960 http://cgi.ebay.com/LEGACY-MODEL-1800-ORNAMENTAL-MILL-2003_W0QQitemZ260564410004QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3caad95e94#ht_1831wt_960 - Original Message - From: Jeff Stickman Finder To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: Legacy's CNC machines Let's see if attachments will post with this message - Jeff 1) 21 barong 2) Two 24 talibong - live steel on top, copy below 3) Two 24 krisses 4) Faux woodgrain detail on kris - delrin stock is black -- Learning is taking on...mastery is letting go -- anon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
