Re: just me being missing
Thank you chaps for your kindness,and your prayers CAG.we need them right now, Tim,I was thinking along the lines of small Rosette circles round the outside circumference and conected by deepening radial cuts from the centre to be inlaid with a dark wood like Ebony,small bits of that can be acquired quite reasonably priced,as like pen bits,and shaved to fit,what do you think, MAC. On Sep 15, 2:26 am, curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com wrote: MAC. you and your wife are in my prayers. I will keep in touch. Have a good night. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: just me being missing Hello chaps just come back to read what's happening on the Legacy's, I haven't being doing anything much at all,well nothing exactly,you see my wife had a stroke about a month ago now and I have been in and out of the hosp. visiting,she is now home but needs a lot of care so my time will be taken up for a while,so I will just be reading the posts while I sit with her,I have answered the survey and hope all others do the same,the input in our group is so very important and no-one is on their own for long with a prob,it's nice to know that some new people, and the old lurkers, are now taken an active role,I would really like to see more on the rotary table,anything will get my attention,keep up the very welcome work TIM,and hi Bill, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: just me being missing - rotary table inlays
Very informative Tim,I'm sure a lot of people are reading this and thinking Hmmm,I also have a lathe and do a lot of small finials,mainly tapering four start hollow ones in mahogany or some other hard wood,it needs to be hard or the bines just crack,very tricky but achievable with patience and practice,and they do enhance a job very much,I'm going to buy some Mother of pearl inlay from South Korea,I want to make a couple of mementos boxes for some freinds who have been most kind,keep posting always read you,MAC. On Sep 15, 10:40 pm, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote: Creating bullseye type patterns with inlays is one of the types of details I've been thinking about. Inlaying contrasting pieces of wood on the rotary table and carving shapes into the surfaces of the pieces. Basically like this sectional view of a box top. I know it can be done, but I have not seen any of us do this yet. I have a couple clever ideas on how to make the pocket of an inlay the right size. I've been holding back since I don't have any photos. Just words, ideas and partial experience. I'm also surprised to see no one has made small finials that can be applied to boxes. The biggest challenge I see in working small is work holding. Carpet tape and turners tape has it's limits. We need to get much more creative and use less force. This might include using glues and extra waste material and more creative ways to part excess waste off if we are only going to use the legacy as a turning tool. One of the question I left out of questionnaire was how many people own a lathe and a Legacy. I suspect the level of ownership is high. Especially in the group of people that consider themselves intermediate and advanced Legacy owners. I think that group is always looking at the resources traditional turners have and applying them to the Legacy. Those that have never turned would never even consider a jam chuck to hold work. In our case, a jam chuck could be handy in rotary table mounting. It's something I've been meaning to try. I can think of several other obscure home made chucks that could come in handy as well. Unfortunately, one of the basic cuts used on a lathe to make thin inlay parts is a real challenge on a Legacy, the parting cut. On a lathe we can slice off thin 1/8 slices using end grain orientation. On the legacy we would have to resort to using a 3/8 bit and that wastes a lot of wood. If you use a thinner router bit you risk breaking the bit and also limiting the diameter you can part off. This is where a chop saw has come in handy for me. I've also used a bandsaw but that comes with lots of safety warnings when the piece has been rounded. The other alternative to thin inlay stock is to plane a thin piece of wood cross grain style and then cut circles out to inlay. That is really easy to do. I take square slices and use a small piece of carpet tape between them and hold the stack between centers and turn them round with a 2704 bit. It almost does not matter how you stack them but it's best to match them and cut off the corners to make an octagon. You can make a whole cylinder of cross grained circles really fast! Then it's easy to make bullseye type patters using inlays on the rotary table. I do know we can make these types of designs by offsetting the work piece on a rotary table and then indexing the work piece separately. It's one of the things I've been trying to get around to showing and have hinted to. A simple V cutting bit would be used to engrave fine lines, or you could make really bold cuts using few indexes. It's completely scalable. I'm sure some light bulbs are turning on now! After writing a chapter of a book in response to your simple comment, I think I'm really off base. Please help straighten me out! -Tim - Original Message - From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:13 PM Subject: Re: just me being missing Thank you chaps for your kindness,and your prayers CAG.we need them right now, Tim,I was thinking along the lines of small Rosette circles round the outside circumference and conected by deepening radial cuts from the centre to be inlaid with a dark wood like Ebony,small bits of that can be acquired quite reasonably priced,as like pen bits,and shaved to fit,what do you think, MAC. inlay_box_top.jpg 6KViewDownload eccentric_rotary_table.jpg 61KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: just me being missing - rotary table inlays
Here's my original thought, something like Art's column saw. http://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/ColumnSaw.htm I was thinking of turning the circular saw 90 degrees to the spindle and use it as a chop saw like Bill was suggesting. I would advise the saw clamped down and hinged. The gears should be engaged on the spindle so the spindle has no chance of taking off by the power of the saw. Still a little on the scary side for me. This also reminds me of how one man makes thin slices for building pool cues. http://www.dzcues.com/images/videos/slitting%20saw.wmv That's a trim router mounted on a cross slide on a metal lathe using a custom mandrel to hold a cut off blade. He's cutting .030 rings cross grain with very little waste. A very enlightening site. http://www.dzcues.com/videos.htm -Tim - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:23 PM Subject: Re: just me being missing - rotary table inlays perhaps its time to mount a small drop saw onto the legacy a nice small saw with a really thin blade should get those thin parting cuts your not able to get with router bits and of coarse you can turn with a saw too Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: need gear for used legacy 1200
Curt, I hope I'm not confusing everybody. My Email account is under John Smith, an alias. I dont' know why at the time It just came to me. Probably a panic attack of big brother. That's why emails say John Smith. I just joined the group recently my real name is Fred. That's how I've been signing off. Sorry about the confusion. Glad you liked the pics, I was hooked the first time I saw one of these in action. Fred (real name) On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:38 AM, curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com wrote: Nice stuff John! Tim expressed my feeling very nicely.(perhaps better than I could my self.) I realy like OT stuff. and have been watching some of the web sites on the net for years. If you have other works I personally would like to see them. I've been playing around with rosettes and a number of moving and not, templates with my Legacy.in hope to achieve some more OT like looks in my own works. I see the MDF Rose as a distance cousin to the Legacy. So I say keep on sending us info.and pictures of your work,John. Perhaps your skills will inspire us to new and higher heights in our Own OT ways. ;-) Thanks Again for sharing John. C.A.G. - Original Message - *From:* Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:09 AM *Subject:* Re: need gear for used legacy 1200 Hi, Thanks for showing the box and your MDF Rose Engine. For those that are not familiar with this type of machine, there is a cutter on a cross slide. Think of it as a router (although a router is closer to another tool called a drill frame). Patterns or Rosettes are mounted on the back side of the spindle. A Rubber follows the patterns and the spindle rocks back and forth as it rotates. This creates the pattern such as Fred's box. There are lot's of variations to what can be done by changing cutters, rosettes and orientation of the cutter to the work. Before I bought my Legacy I had visions of owning antique OT equipment and it was really hard to find any information at the time. I had seen a Lawler Lathe in Fine Woodworking magazine and knew it was way out of my range but it sparked something deep inside me. There was just something about seeking a whole new level of perfection. Add to that the geometric patterns that could be achieved where extremely intriguing to me. I decided to buy a Legacy thinking it was expensive but affordable. After seeing some interesting work that was being done and being inspired by works of Dr. Courtland Smith and James Neff I figured it would work for me. Then several years later Jon published his MDF Rose Engine plans in the AAW Newsletter and I thought this was really going to open up the OT world. I saw a couple of items by Jon Sauer that had reciprocated work and I figured I could do that on my legacy. So I decided to building my own version of a reciprocator for the Legacy. That's part of the fun of being a Legacy owner, seeing what other machines can do and figuring out how it can be done on the Legacy with what I got. So yes, you could definitely say I'm familiar with OT. I'm also casually happy to say not everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. I like people to wonder how some of my trinkets are made. Unfortunately it's still hard to explain what ornamental turning really is to the public and even to many woodturners. It's great to see the modern work of Lindow and White and then to behold the glory of a Fred Armbruster machine. It's beyond words! Today there is so much inspiration all over the web. There are a lot of guys on the OTI board that are doing some amazing work using all levels of tools. There is a lot of inspiration there for guys like me who like to think and tinker! The longer I'm in the field the more a realize my end goal is to blend traits of all wood disciplines into my current work. That's the definition of no limitations! Enough of my babbling, -Tim - Original Message - *From:* John Smith jsbulletexpr...@gmail.com *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 7:56 PM *Subject:* Re: need gear for used legacy 1200 I haven't made anything with the legacy yet. I got the impression you were familiar with ornamental turning. A pic of one of my OT boxes and my homemade mdf rose engine. Fred -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comlegacy-ornamental-mills%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this
Re: need gear for used legacy 1200
Hello Fred, You did, but it's no surprise people wanting to keep a level of privacy in a semi public forum. We are a tight knit group and pretty much all of us are on first name basis which is what we like and I would like to foster. There are a few guys that have been around since the beginning of the group that even I as an owner of the list have no idea what there real name is. It's all the same. I'm still going to help out Bozo the Clone as much as anyone else. I'm glad you feel comfortable sharing your real name with us. -Tim - Original Message - From: John Smith To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: Re: need gear for used legacy 1200 Curt, I hope I'm not confusing everybody. My Email account is under John Smith, an alias. I dont' know why at the time It just came to me. Probably a panic attack of big brother. That's why emails say John Smith. I just joined the group recently my real name is Fred. That's how I've been signing off. Sorry about the confusion. Glad you liked the pics, I was hooked the first time I saw one of these in action. Fred (real name) On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:38 AM, curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com wrote: Nice stuff John! Tim expressed my feeling very nicely.(perhaps better than I could my self.) I realy like OT stuff. and have been watching some of the web sites on the net for years. If you have other works I personally would like to see them. I've been playing around with rosettes and a number of moving and not, templates with my Legacy.in hope to achieve some more OT like looks in my own works. I see the MDF Rose as a distance cousin to the Legacy. So I say keep on sending us info.and pictures of your work,John. Perhaps your skills will inspire us to new and higher heights in our Own OT ways. ;-) Thanks Again for sharing John. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:09 AM Subject: Re: need gear for used legacy 1200 Hi, Thanks for showing the box and your MDF Rose Engine. For those that are not familiar with this type of machine, there is a cutter on a cross slide. Think of it as a router (although a router is closer to another tool called a drill frame). Patterns or Rosettes are mounted on the back side of the spindle. A Rubber follows the patterns and the spindle rocks back and forth as it rotates. This creates the pattern such as Fred's box. There are lot's of variations to what can be done by changing cutters, rosettes and orientation of the cutter to the work. Before I bought my Legacy I had visions of owning antique OT equipment and it was really hard to find any information at the time. I had seen a Lawler Lathe in Fine Woodworking magazine and knew it was way out of my range but it sparked something deep inside me. There was just something about seeking a whole new level of perfection. Add to that the geometric patterns that could be achieved where extremely intriguing to me. I decided to buy a Legacy thinking it was expensive but affordable. After seeing some interesting work that was being done and being inspired by works of Dr. Courtland Smith and James Neff I figured it would work for me. Then several years later Jon published his MDF Rose Engine plans in the AAW Newsletter and I thought this was really going to open up the OT world. I saw a couple of items by Jon Sauer that had reciprocated work and I figured I could do that on my legacy. So I decided to building my own version of a reciprocator for the Legacy. That's part of the fun of being a Legacy owner, seeing what other machines can do and figuring out how it can be done on the Legacy with what I got. So yes, you could definitely say I'm familiar with OT. I'm also casually happy to say not everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. I like people to wonder how some of my trinkets are made. Unfortunately it's still hard to explain what ornamental turning really is to the public and even to many woodturners. It's great to see the modern work of Lindow and White and then to behold the glory of a Fred Armbruster machine. It's beyond words! Today there is so much inspiration all over the web. There are a lot of guys on the OTI board that are doing some amazing work using all levels of tools. There is a lot of inspiration there for guys like me who like to think and tinker! The longer I'm in the field the more a realize my end goal is to blend traits of all wood disciplines into my current work. That's the definition of no limitations! Enough of my babbling, -Tim - Original Message - From: John Smith To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 7:56 PM
