Re: cnc hollow spiral

2023-10-25 Thread Tim Ziegler 
yes for sure very good video.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
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On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:13 PM  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqDfHl0ghuU&ab_channel=LegacyCNC
>
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>
> someone might find this interesting
>
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> Bill
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Re: Offset flutes

2023-10-25 Thread Tim Ziegler 
for sure I think we all do some brainstorming something will come out of
this.
I do think the carriage has to do some of this and yes it make to
operational movements all done
at once?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

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On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 11:19 AM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Agree that one pass is required to eliminate transitions.  Tim's suggestion
> made me think of the wave modification, a device that can rotate the
> work piece a specific amount at a specific place in the travel.
> But I think Curt was referring to some sort of clutch that engages and
> disengages the gears on demand.  That would indeed be smoother than
> two index plates because it is difficult to move the pins accurately on
> the move.  Now, suppose a wave device and a clutch worked together
> ...
> DanK
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 10:52:37 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Hey Tim
>>
>> (I didn't see you posting until now.)
>>
>> You are right and the stops and settings leaving marks.
>>
>> Its all a WORK in Progress. We live and learn form our experiences. ;-)
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 07:13:29 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think in order to keep any blending issues to a minumum you need to do
>> this all in one pass.
>> What if you have a cam of sorts mounted somehow that moved the router
>> carriage at a certain point then
>> resumed going straight?
>> You got me thinking on this one.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:40 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>> Mills  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Just though of another idea that would be much easer.
>> Cut the rope first, and then index, so that the flutes will align with
>> the rope.
>> And Yes my roping indexing plates would make things much easer, but
>> markers on any indexing plate could work ...?
>>
>> Also if you wanted, all the parts could be made separately and then
>> mounted/assembled after being cut.  (like what Mike P. did on his crank
>> handle indexing video.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o (Note
>> at the very beginning of the video.)
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 12:24:21 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via
>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Everyone.
>>
>> Dan I have an idea.
>> Yes the indexing could and should make things easer. but to flute to rope
>> and then back???  My idea is sorta weird. but how about a partial toothed
>> indexing gear.
>>
>> If you engage the split nut, so it moves the carriage but not the
>> spindle, you then make a flute, with a partial indexing gear, when the gear
>> teeth engage, the roping will start, and then when they hit the open area
>> where there are no teeth the flute would start over again.  (there are a
>> few holes in this plan...)
>> You will need a breaking system to keep the fluting straight, once the
>> gears engage or the spindle will move.
>>  [image: Inline image]
>>
>> Or...? Plan "B" a spring loaded split nut, to dis-engage that acme screw
>> at the proper time.
>> A thread pitch wheel would also make things easer.
>>
>> Plan "C" how about making stop blocks like Bill uses, where they have an
>> arm that can be moved out of the way when not in use...   using this idea,
>> set your stop blocks, flute until you hit one block, then engage the gears
>> to the next stop block , then dis-engage that gear at the next stop block.
>> It would be easer to make then the other ways.
>>
>> Plan "D" Tim's idea of using a template. make your marks on the template
>> for where and when you run your gears and not.
>>
>> As I see it. (its late and I am very tired, I could and most likely am
>> missing something.) ;-)  both plans C&D would be the easiest ways to get
>> this job done.
>>
>> Something to think about.
>>
>> Have a good night everyone.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:20:25 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Gotcha, yeah weather is changing. Great to see some new
>> innovations coming through.
>> Curt and Dan we are super excited to see what comes from all this science
>> lol.
>> Keep up the great work guys.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 4:16 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> In theory, yes on my machine.  Curt has a similar arrangement that
>> might be easier to implement the two indexes that seem to be
>> needed.
>> It's gonna be awhile.  Christmas is sneaking up on us

cnc hollow spiral

2023-10-25 Thread bulkeley 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqDfHl0ghuU

&ab_channel=LegacyCNC

 

someone might find this interesting

 

Bill

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Re: Offset flutes

2023-10-25 Thread cdkr...@gmail.com 
Agree that one pass is required to eliminate transitions.  Tim's suggestion
made me think of the wave modification, a device that can rotate the 
work piece a specific amount at a specific place in the travel.  
But I think Curt was referring to some sort of clutch that engages and 
disengages the gears on demand.  That would indeed be smoother than
two index plates because it is difficult to move the pins accurately on 
the move.  Now, suppose a wave device and a clutch worked together
...   
DanK

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 10:52:37 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hey Tim
>
> (I didn't see you posting until now.)
>
> You are right and the stops and settings leaving marks.
>
> Its all a WORK in Progress. We live and learn form our experiences. ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 07:13:29 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> I think in order to keep any blending issues to a minumum you need to do 
> this all in one pass.
> What if you have a cam of sorts mounted somehow that moved the router 
> carriage at a certain point then 
> resumed going straight?
> You got me thinking on this one. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:40 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Just though of another idea that would be much easer. 
> Cut the rope first, and then index, so that the flutes will align with the 
> rope.
> And Yes my roping indexing plates would make things much easer, but 
> markers on any indexing plate could work ...? 
>
> Also if you wanted, all the parts could be made separately and then 
> mounted/assembled after being cut.  (like what Mike P. did on his crank 
> handle indexing video.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o (Note 
> at the very beginning of the video.)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 12:24:21 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via 
> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
> Dan I have an idea.  
> Yes the indexing could and should make things easer. but to flute to rope 
> and then back???  My idea is sorta weird. but how about a partial toothed 
> indexing gear.
>
> If you engage the split nut, so it moves the carriage but not the spindle, 
> you then make a flute, with a partial indexing gear, when the gear teeth 
> engage, the roping will start, and then when they hit the open area where 
> there are no teeth the flute would start over again.  (there are a few 
> holes in this plan...)
> You will need a breaking system to keep the fluting straight, once the 
> gears engage or the spindle will move.
>  [image: Inline image]
>
> Or...? Plan "B" a spring loaded split nut, to dis-engage that acme screw 
> at the proper time. 
> A thread pitch wheel would also make things easer.
>
> Plan "C" how about making stop blocks like Bill uses, where they have an 
> arm that can be moved out of the way when not in use...   using this idea, 
> set your stop blocks, flute until you hit one block, then engage the gears 
> to the next stop block , then dis-engage that gear at the next stop block. 
> It would be easer to make then the other ways.
>
> Plan "D" Tim's idea of using a template. make your marks on the template 
> for where and when you run your gears and not.
>
> As I see it. (its late and I am very tired, I could and most likely am 
> missing something.) ;-)  both plans C&D would be the easiest ways to get 
> this job done. 
>
> Something to think about. 
>
> Have a good night everyone.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:20:25 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Gotcha, yeah weather is changing. Great to see some new innovations coming 
> through. 
> Curt and Dan we are super excited to see what comes from all this science 
> lol. 
> Keep up the great work guys. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 4:16 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> In theory, yes on my machine.  Curt has a similar arrangement that 
> might be easier to implement the two indexes that seem to be 
> needed.  
> It's gonna be awhile.  Christmas is sneaking up on us and I want to 
> do some stuff.  Not energetic in these cloudy chilly days.
> DanK
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:29:01 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> Well lets see it happen.Will that create that offset Curt is doing?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:17 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> What an idea, Curt!  That