RE: checkering videos

[bulkeley]

Yes totally Mike a jig is how I do it my tilting z axis is that jig if you can 
build things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY97AGLe1cA 
 
&ab_channel=aussiman77181 it solves all angle problems as well as z axis 
issues. Curt has his version too

 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 1:10 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: checkering videos

 

Great work Dan.  

I am sure it has been discussed but, All the effort thus far has been with the 
bit point doing all the cutting from above.  I have had similar projects that 
chipping became a huge issue.  A climb cut from the side is the way to go.  
What you will need to accomplish this is a side cutting V-groove bit

    

Then you will need to clamp your router on an angle that matches your cut path. 
 Either crudely secure it for the cut or make a jig that is adjustable, your 
choice.   Your cut will now shear instead of lifting the fragile points of the 
checkering.  You will enter the wood from the side with the Y-Axis instead of 
the z-Axis.

Give it a thought and good luck.

Mike OK

On 10/15/2023 8:37 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com   wrote:

I finally got the dynamic vernier index positioning chart workable.  I can't be 
sure of error free yet,  but it works accurately for 80 starts. 

 

It took me awhile to stretch my head around the expanded vernier operation on 
these high counts.  It turns out that one has to go around the index several 
times in some cases.  I had assumed it would be just once, like the simple 
indexes, and that was a stumbling block. Because the vernier has to be moved 
once the moves exhaust it's span, that creates a gap in the machining of the 
workpiece.  Not to worry, it finishes those gaps on the next go arounds.  

  

I am debating about putting the three video clips together, but I think it does 
better separately. This is not a video friendly site, so I'll put them on my 
Google drive for a bit and post the links. This is how I will link the 
description to help understand it's corresponding video.  Not a pro 
photographer, but I hope it explains the basics well enough.

 

I'm attaching the now versioned Legacy Pitch Chart V10.1 which has the dynamic 
vernier positioning chart.  It is set up with print ranges already, so once you 
select the number of divisions to cut, the chart will adjust and you just print 
it. It made it possible for me to keep track of what move I just did and what 
the next one is supposed to be. Again, no guarantees if you use other than 
Libre Office Calc.  

DanK

 

 

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Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

[Tim Ziegler]

Yup a bushing and you're all set.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:34 PM  wrote:

> There are index plates on ebay too that could be made to fit the legacy
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/361588846468
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
>
>
>
> Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but
> always worth a try.
>
> He sure has some interesting items for sure.
>
> It's cool you've met him too.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Wow there are some really Cool things on this site.
>
>
>
> Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood
> working shows.)
>
> I do own some of his toys.  But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are
> Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on  the Legacy.
>
>
>
> Nice find Tim.
>
>
>
> I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you
> post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.)
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its
> the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Ron Brown's Best, LLC*  >
> Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM
> Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
> To: 
>
>
>
>
>
> *Happy Halloween 2023*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *You Don't Know What You Don't Know*
>
>
>
> I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the
> beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new
> turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the
> one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the
> Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's
> perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they
> know as much as you do.
>
>
>
> Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have
> questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to
> never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully
> understands how something is supposed to work.  By listening to their
> questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular
> situation at their level of understanding.
>
>
>
> Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie
> Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of
> wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After
> nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we
> pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear
> mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time
> due to my unclear instructions.
>
>
>
> When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just
> beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms
> they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of
> understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone
> knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing
> sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There
> was a time when you didn't know either.
>
>
>
> Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of
> understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message
> sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and
> examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is
> almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person.
>
>
>
> *“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using
> pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy*
>
>
>
> Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating.
> Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver
> an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even
> know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be
> patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there
> you are.
>
>
>
> Here is my inspiration for this week's message:
>
>
>
> Prov 18:13 AMP
>
> He who answers a matter before he he

Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

[Tim Ziegler]

I know I feel bad for you in that respect.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:05 PM  wrote:

> I even have some of his stuff but as usual shipping is the only enemy for
> me but as a product vert good
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2023 12:17 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
>
>
>
> Wow there are some really Cool things on this site.
>
>
>
> Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood
> working shows.)
>
> I do own some of his toys.  But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are
> Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on  the Legacy.
>
>
>
> Nice find Tim.
>
>
>
> I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you
> post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.)
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its
> the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Ron Brown's Best, LLC*  >
> Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM
> Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
> To: 
>
>
>
>
>
> *Happy Halloween 2023*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *You Don't Know What You Don't Know*
>
>
>
> I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the
> beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new
> turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the
> one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the
> Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's
> perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they
> know as much as you do.
>
>
>
> Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have
> questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to
> never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully
> understands how something is supposed to work.  By listening to their
> questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular
> situation at their level of understanding.
>
>
>
> Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie
> Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of
> wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After
> nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we
> pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear
> mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time
> due to my unclear instructions.
>
>
>
> When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just
> beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms
> they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of
> understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone
> knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing
> sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There
> was a time when you didn't know either.
>
>
>
> Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of
> understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message
> sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and
> examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is
> almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person.
>
>
>
> *“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using
> pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy*
>
>
>
> Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating.
> Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver
> an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even
> know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be
> patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there
> you are.
>
>
>
> Here is my inspiration for this week's message:
>
>
>
> Prov 18:13 AMP
>
> He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to
> him.
>
>
>
> Jer 33:3 MSG
>
> 'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous
> things that you could never figure out on your own.'
>
>
>
> Col 4:6 AMP
>
> Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned
> [as it 

Re: checkering videos

[Okla Mike (Liltwisted)]

Great work Dan.

I am sure it has been discussed but, All the effort thus far has been 
with the bit point doing all the cutting from above.  I have had similar 
projects that chipping became a huge issue.  A climb cut from the side 
is the way to go.  What you will need to accomplish this is a side 
cutting V-groove bit


Magnate 778 Side V-Grooving Router Bit - 90 Degree; 1/2" Cutting Height ...

Then you will need to clamp your router on an angle that matches your 
cut path.  Either crudely secure it for the cut or make a jig that is 
adjustable, your choice.   Your cut will now shear instead of lifting 
the fragile points of the checkering.  You will enter the wood from the 
side with the Y-Axis instead of the z-Axis.


Give it a thought and good luck.

Mike OK

On 10/15/2023 8:37 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
I finally got the dynamic vernier index positioning chart workable.  I 
can't be sure of error free yet,  but it works accurately for 80 starts.


It took me awhile to stretch my head around the expanded vernier 
operation on these high counts.  It turns out that one has to go 
around the index several times in some cases.  I had assumed it would 
be just once, like the simple indexes, and that was a stumbling block. 
Because the vernier has to be moved once the moves exhaust it's span, 
that creates a gap in the machining of the workpiece.  Not to worry, 
it finishes those gaps on the next go arounds.


I am debating about putting the three video clips together, but I 
think it does better separately. This is not a video friendly site, so 
I'll put them on my Google drive for a bit and post the links. This is 
how I will link the description to help understand it's corresponding 
video.  Not a pro photographer, but I hope it explains the basics well 
enough.


I'm attaching the now versioned Legacy Pitch Chart V10.1 which has the 
dynamic vernier positioning chart.  It is set up with print ranges 
already, so once you select the number of divisions to cut, the chart 
will adjust and you just print it. It made it possible for me to keep 
track of what move I just did and what the next one is supposed to be. 
Again, no guarantees if you use other than Libre Office Calc.

DanK


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Re: Checkering today

[M.W.Foscue]

Dan,
VERY Nice!
Thanks for sharing.

You can employ it as a "Home Defense Cudgel" if need be. 
Let's hope you don't need to!

Mac
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From: 
Sent: Oct 28, 2023 2:34 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Checkering today

Yes, 720 index positions was my ambitious goal and I realized either a 
giant plate, a second duplex set, or (Eureka) a 72 hole plate with a 10
hole vernier would get the 1/2° resolution needed to get into the 
checkering ballpark. Y'all witnessed the struggle. :)
This handle took about 2 hours.  It would take me (a relatively inexperienced
checker-er) about two days to lay out, cut, and dress this rather large
field.  
This handle really comes alive with a Danish oil finish!  Haven't decided 
what to use it for.  In the mean time, I'll just enjoy looking at it and feeling
the crisp texture.  Opens up some design features. 
DanK

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:14:35 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
 
Very nice job. 36 starts is way beyond anything that I've made over the years.
Awesome work.
thank you.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 09:31:53 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:


 



Curt, this is the same process used on the proof of concept test pieces.  It is 
a 
60° magnate router bit with three carbide lips sharpened to a very crisp
point.  The wood is apple which is a fine wood for carving.  I used 36
holes of the 72 hole index ring I made on the standard index gear because 
the diameter is much smaller than the test pieces.  The
spacing changes as it proceeds down the taper, almost imperceptibly but
the depth of cut is the same all the way.  The depth of cut is fairly deep at
0.063" (1/16").  Precision at every point is paramount.  Even the imperceptible
backlash of my REVO was too much.  Had to cut unidirectional.  Tedious.
But this handle went quickly because it's short and only 36 starts. 
DanKOn Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-4 Ccm Ccm wrote:
Very nice On Friday, October 27, 2023, cdkr...@gmail.com  
wrote: 
Finished the cross hatch. Look at how sharp and crisp the
diamonds are.  This raw off the LOM, no hand touch up.  
The change in spacing is barely detectable from large to small
end of this 2 3/4" stretch. 

DanK
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:05:41 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
Very Good Dan. It's great to see a plan coming together. 
 
Kind Regards,Timothy J. Ziegler





On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:56 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:

Here's the work so far.  The taper is just a hair over 2° and I wondered
how much that would affect the spacing at the small end.  I probably
won't see it until touching up.  You can see the tilt of the spindle rails
that put the cutting surface parallel to the main frame.  I'm going to
try one with a slightly increased taper and let the checkering fade
into nothingness 

 
And the chart update.
DanK
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:27:07 PM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
Today I was motivated to checker an apple piece that I tapered in a typical 
handle fashion.  So using the Taper Chart sheet from the now named 
"LegacyCharts_V10.4" I found that the upper limit to the REVO settings for 
taper is 3/8", i.e. the spindle rails won't go clear up to the main frame 
rails. So I altered the chart to give a warning about values that can't be 
used.  And while I was versioning, I decided that the name should be adjusted 
to better reflect content.  

 
These are the settings I went with and was anxious about accuracy of the taper 
calcs.  They're dead on!

 
This is what it looks like to set up.  Needs pretty precise measuring. 

 
My picture of the work got corrupted in transfer, so after supper.
DanK












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RE: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

[bulkeley]

There are index plates on ebay too that could be made to fit the legacy 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/361588846468

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

 

Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but always 
worth a try. 

He sure has some interesting items for sure.

It's cool you've met him too. 

 

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Wow there are some really Cool things on this site.

 

Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood 
working shows.)

I do own some of his toys.  But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very 
nice, And I could see those being used with and on  the Legacy.

 

Nice find Tim. 

 

I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a 
photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the 
one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC mailto:ron_browns_best_...@ronbrownsbest.addr2.com> >
Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM
Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
To: mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> >

 










  

 

 


Happy Halloween 2023

 



  

 

 



  

 


You Don't Know What You Don't Know

 

I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the 
beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new 
turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one 
true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking 
Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I 
formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do.

 

Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions 
about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume 
anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something 
is supposed to work.  By listening to their questions and answers I am able to 
relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of 
understanding.

 

Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat 
catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind 
threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 
years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we pitchpoled stern 
over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear mountain lake. We survived 
even though she didn't release the rope in time due to my unclear instructions.

 

When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just 
beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms 
they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of 
understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone knows 
what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing sometimes you can 
see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There was a time when you 
didn't know either.

 

Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of 
understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message sent 
clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and examples that 
are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is almost the same as 
speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person.

 

“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious 
jargon”. David Ogilvy

 

Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist the 
urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an answer they 
can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know what questions to 
ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient because you were new once 
too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are.

 

Here is my inspiration for this week's message:

 

Prov 18:13 AMP

He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to him.

 

Jer 33:3 MSG

'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous things 
that you could never figure out on your own.'

RE: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

[bulkeley]

Yes post it again with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMT9nOHZ5M8 
 
&ab_channel=RonBrown%27sBestTools

 

Videos always help 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 5:37 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

 

Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but always 
worth a try. 

He sure has some interesting items for sure.

It's cool you've met him too. 

 

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Wow there are some really Cool things on this site.

 

Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood 
working shows.)

I do own some of his toys.  But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very 
nice, And I could see those being used with and on  the Legacy.

 

Nice find Tim. 

 

I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a 
photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the 
one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC mailto:ron_browns_best_...@ronbrownsbest.addr2.com> >
Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM
Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
To: mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> >

 










  

 

 


Happy Halloween 2023

 



  

 

 



  

 


You Don't Know What You Don't Know

 

I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the 
beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new 
turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one 
true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking 
Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I 
formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do.

 

Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions 
about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume 
anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something 
is supposed to work.  By listening to their questions and answers I am able to 
relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of 
understanding.

 

Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat 
catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind 
threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 
years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we pitchpoled stern 
over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear mountain lake. We survived 
even though she didn't release the rope in time due to my unclear instructions.

 

When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just 
beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms 
they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of 
understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone knows 
what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing sometimes you can 
see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There was a time when you 
didn't know either.

 

Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of 
understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message sent 
clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and examples that 
are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is almost the same as 
speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person.

 

“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious 
jargon”. David Ogilvy

 

Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist the 
urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an answer they 
can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know what questions to 
ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient because you were new once 
too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are.

 

Here is my inspiration for this week's message:

 

Prov 18:13 AMP

He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to him.

 

Jer 33:3 MSG

'Call to me and I will an

RE: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

[bulkeley]

I even have some of his stuff but as usual shipping is the only enemy for me 
but as a product vert good

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 12:17 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

 

Wow there are some really Cool things on this site.

 

Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood 
working shows.)

I do own some of his toys.  But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are Very 
nice, And I could see those being used with and on  the Legacy.

 

Nice find Tim. 

 

I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a 
photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the 
one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC mailto:ron_browns_best_...@ronbrownsbest.addr2.com> >
Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM
Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
To: mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> >

 










  

 

 


Happy Halloween 2023

 



  

 

 



  

 


You Don't Know What You Don't Know

 

I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the 
beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new 
turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one 
true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking 
Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I 
formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do.

 

Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions 
about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume 
anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something 
is supposed to work.  By listening to their questions and answers I am able to 
relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of 
understanding.

 

Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat 
catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind 
threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 
years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we pitchpoled stern 
over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear mountain lake. We survived 
even though she didn't release the rope in time due to my unclear instructions.

 

When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just 
beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms 
they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of 
understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone knows 
what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing sometimes you can 
see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There was a time when you 
didn't know either.

 

Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of 
understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message sent 
clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and examples that 
are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is almost the same as 
speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person.

 

“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious 
jargon”. David Ogilvy

 

Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist the 
urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an answer they 
can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know what questions to 
ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient because you were new once 
too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are.

 

Here is my inspiration for this week's message:

 

Prov 18:13 AMP

He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to him.

 

Jer 33:3 MSG

'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous things 
that you could never figure out on your own.'

 

Col 4:6 AMP

Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as 
it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought 
to answer anyone [who puts a question to you].

 

 



  

 


We love helping our customers with turning questions. You can sp

Re: Checkering today

[Tim Ziegler]

Yup quite a feat. As I've mentioned.before. great work.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:34 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:

> Yes, 720 index positions was my ambitious goal and I realized either a
> giant plate, a second duplex set, or (Eureka) a 72 hole plate with a 10
> hole vernier would get the 1/2° resolution needed to get into the
> checkering ballpark. Y'all witnessed the struggle. :)
> This handle took about 2 hours.  It would take me (a relatively
> inexperienced
> checker-er) about two days to lay out, cut, and dress this rather large
> field.
> This handle really comes alive with a Danish oil finish!  Haven't decided
> what to use it for.  In the mean time, I'll just enjoy looking at it and
> feeling
> the crisp texture.  Opens up some design features.
> DanK
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:14:35 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Very nice job. 36 starts is way beyond anything that I've made over the
>> years.
>> Awesome work.
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 09:31:53 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
>> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Curt, this is the same process used on the proof of concept test pieces.
>> It is a
>> 60° magnate router bit with three carbide lips sharpened to a very crisp
>> point.  The wood is apple which is a fine wood for carving.  I used 36
>> holes of the 72 hole index ring I made on the standard index gear because
>> the diameter is much smaller than the test pieces.  The
>> spacing changes as it proceeds down the taper, almost imperceptibly but
>> the depth of cut is the same all the way.  The depth of cut is fairly
>> deep at
>> 0.063" (1/16").  Precision at every point is paramount.  Even the
>> imperceptible
>> backlash of my REVO was too much.  Had to cut unidirectional.  Tedious.
>> But this handle went quickly because it's short and only 36 starts.
>> DanK
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-4 Ccm Ccm wrote:
>>
>> Very nice
>>
>> On Friday, October 27, 2023, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>
>> Finished the cross hatch. Look at how sharp and crisp the
>> diamonds are.  This raw off the LOM, no hand touch up.
>> The change in spacing is barely detectable from large to small
>> end of this 2 3/4" stretch.
>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>> DanK
>>
>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:05:41 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>> Very Good Dan. It's great to see a plan coming together.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> 
>> Foreston MN 56330
>> 
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:56 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here's the work so far.  The taper is just a hair over 2° and I wondered
>> how much that would affect the spacing at the small end.  I probably
>> won't see it until touching up.  You can see the tilt of the spindle rails
>> that put the cutting surface parallel to the main frame.  I'm going to
>> try one with a slightly increased taper and let the checkering fade
>> into nothingness
>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>
>> And the chart update.
>> DanK
>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:27:07 PM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> Today I was motivated to checker an apple piece that I tapered in a
>> typical handle fashion.  So using the Taper Chart sheet from the now named
>> "LegacyCharts_V10.4" I found that the upper limit to the REVO settings for
>> taper is 3/8", i.e. the spindle rails won't go clear up to the main frame
>> rails. So I altered the chart to give a warning about values that can't be
>> used.  And while I was versioning, I decided that the name should be
>> adjusted to better reflect content.
>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>
>> These are the settings I went with and was anxious about accuracy of the
>> taper calcs.  They're dead on!
>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>
>> This is what it looks like to set up.  Needs pretty precise measuring.
>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>
>> My picture of the work got corrupted in transfer, so after supper.
>> DanK
>>
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Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

[Tim Ziegler]

I'll look into it when I get home.
Thanks

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:26 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hey one more note on this.  Ron Brown also sells indexing plates for the
> lathe,
> https://longworthchuck.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=13&product_id=31
>
> If you like, I can see using these for something close to what I made for
> my roping index jig.
> By mounting the indexing plate on the Legacy, you can then make a locking
> pin that is adaptable to the Legacy's hub drive in just a matter of min.
> Then you could use the Legacy's gears and the indexing together on your
> machine, It open up's a world of possibility's, something like Dan's
> checkering concept. (Same but different.)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 09:16:44 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
> Wow there are some really Cool things on this site.
>
> Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood
> working shows.)
> I do own some of his toys.  But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are
> Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on  the Legacy.
>
> Nice find Tim.
>
> I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you
> post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its
> the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Ron Brown's Best, LLC*  >
> Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM
> Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
> To: 
>
>
> *Happy Halloween 2023*
>
>
> *You Don't Know What You Don't Know*
>
>
>
> I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the
> beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new
> turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the
> one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the
> Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's
> perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they
> know as much as you do.
>
>
>
> Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have
> questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to
> never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully
> understands how something is supposed to work.  By listening to their
> questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular
> situation at their level of understanding.
>
>
>
> Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie
> Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of
> wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After
> nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we
> pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear
> mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time
> due to my unclear instructions.
>
>
>
> When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just
> beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms
> they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of
> understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone
> knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing
> sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There
> was a time when you didn't know either.
>
>
>
> Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of
> understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message
> sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and
> examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is
> almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person.
>
>
>
> *“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using
> pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy*
>
>
>
> Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating.
> Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver
> an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even
> know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be
> patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there
> you are.
>
>
>
> Here is my inspiration for this week's message:
>
>
>
> Prov 18:13 AMP
>
> He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to
> him.
>
>
>
> Jer 33:3 MSG
>
> 'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll

Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey Curt I could post it again. It really never drew much interest but
always worth a try.
He sure has some interesting items for sure.
It's cool you've met him too.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 8:16 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Wow there are some really Cool things on this site.
>
> Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood
> working shows.)
> I do own some of his toys.  But this Off-center chuck and ladle chuck are
> Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on  the Legacy.
>
> Nice find Tim.
>
> I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you
> post a photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its
> the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Ron Brown's Best, LLC*  >
> Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 PM
> Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know
> To: 
>
>
> *Happy Halloween 2023*
>
>
> *You Don't Know What You Don't Know*
>
>
>
> I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the
> beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new
> turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the
> one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the
> Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's
> perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they
> know as much as you do.
>
>
>
> Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have
> questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to
> never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully
> understands how something is supposed to work.  By listening to their
> questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular
> situation at their level of understanding.
>
>
>
> Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie
> Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of
> wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After
> nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we
> pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear
> mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time
> due to my unclear instructions.
>
>
>
> When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just
> beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms
> they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of
> understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone
> knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing
> sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There
> was a time when you didn't know either.
>
>
>
> Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of
> understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message
> sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and
> examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is
> almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person.
>
>
>
> *“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using
> pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy*
>
>
>
> Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating.
> Resist the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver
> an answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even
> know what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be
> patient because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there
> you are.
>
>
>
> Here is my inspiration for this week's message:
>
>
>
> Prov 18:13 AMP
>
> He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to
> him.
>
>
>
> Jer 33:3 MSG
>
> 'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous
> things that you could never figure out on your own.'
>
>
>
> Col 4:6 AMP
>
> Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned
> [as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how
> you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to you].
>
>
>
>
> We love helping our customers with turning questions. You can speak to a
> live person when you call. If we are not available, we will return your
> call as soon as possible. Don't hesitate to pick up the phone. If you have
> difficulty checking out, call us and we will be h

Re: Checkering today

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Yes, 720 index positions was my ambitious goal and I realized either a 
giant plate, a second duplex set, or (Eureka) a 72 hole plate with a 10
hole vernier would get the 1/2° resolution needed to get into the 
checkering ballpark. Y'all witnessed the struggle. :)
This handle took about 2 hours.  It would take me (a relatively 
inexperienced
checker-er) about two days to lay out, cut, and dress this rather large
field.  
This handle really comes alive with a Danish oil finish!  Haven't decided 
what to use it for.  In the mean time, I'll just enjoy looking at it and 
feeling
the crisp texture.  Opens up some design features. 
DanK

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:14:35 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Very nice job. 36 starts is way beyond anything that I've made over the 
> years.
> Awesome work.
>
> thank you.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 09:31:53 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Curt, this is the same process used on the proof of concept test pieces.  
> It is a 
> 60° magnate router bit with three carbide lips sharpened to a very crisp
> point.  The wood is apple which is a fine wood for carving.  I used 36
> holes of the 72 hole index ring I made on the standard index gear because 
> the diameter is much smaller than the test pieces.  The
> spacing changes as it proceeds down the taper, almost imperceptibly but
> the depth of cut is the same all the way.  The depth of cut is fairly deep 
> at
> 0.063" (1/16").  Precision at every point is paramount.  Even the 
> imperceptible
> backlash of my REVO was too much.  Had to cut unidirectional.  Tedious.
> But this handle went quickly because it's short and only 36 starts. 
> DanK
>
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-4 Ccm Ccm wrote:
>
> Very nice 
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2023, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> Finished the cross hatch. Look at how sharp and crisp the
> diamonds are.  This raw off the LOM, no hand touch up.  
> The change in spacing is barely detectable from large to small
> end of this 2 3/4" stretch. 
> [image: Capture.JPG]
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:05:41 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> Very Good Dan. It's great to see a plan coming together. 
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave. 
> 
> Foreston MN 56330 
> 
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:56 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Here's the work so far.  The taper is just a hair over 2° and I wondered
> how much that would affect the spacing at the small end.  I probably
> won't see it until touching up.  You can see the tilt of the spindle rails
> that put the cutting surface parallel to the main frame.  I'm going to
> try one with a slightly increased taper and let the checkering fade
> into nothingness 
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> And the chart update.
> DanK
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:27:07 PM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Today I was motivated to checker an apple piece that I tapered in a 
> typical handle fashion.  So using the Taper Chart sheet from the now named 
> "LegacyCharts_V10.4" I found that the upper limit to the REVO settings for 
> taper is 3/8", i.e. the spindle rails won't go clear up to the main frame 
> rails. So I altered the chart to give a warning about values that can't be 
> used.  And while I was versioning, I decided that the name should be 
> adjusted to better reflect content.  
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> These are the settings I went with and was anxious about accuracy of the 
> taper calcs.  They're dead on!
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> This is what it looks like to set up.  Needs pretty precise measuring. 
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> My picture of the work got corrupted in transfer, so after supper.
> DanK
>
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Re: Checkering today

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Very nice job. 36 starts is way beyond anything that I've made over the 
years.Awesome work.
thank you.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 09:31:53 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt, this is the same process used on the proof of concept test pieces.  It 
is a 
60° magnate router bit with three carbide lips sharpened to a very crisppoint.  
The wood is apple which is a fine wood for carving.  I used 36holes of the 72 
hole index ring I made on the standard index gear because the diameter is much 
smaller than the test pieces.  Thespacing changes as it proceeds down the 
taper, almost imperceptibly butthe depth of cut is the same all the way.  The 
depth of cut is fairly deep at0.063" (1/16").  Precision at every point is 
paramount.  Even the imperceptiblebacklash of my REVO was too much.  Had to cut 
unidirectional.  Tedious.But this handle went quickly because it's short and 
only 36 starts. 
DanK


On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-4 Ccm Ccm wrote:

Very nice 

On Friday, October 27, 2023, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:

Finished the cross hatch. Look at how sharp and crisp thediamonds are.  This 
raw off the LOM, no hand touch up.  
The change in spacing is barely detectable from large to smallend of this 2 
3/4" stretch. 
DanK

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:05:41 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Very Good Dan. It's great to see a plan coming together. 



Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:56 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:

Here's the work so far.  The taper is just a hair over 2° and I wonderedhow 
much that would affect the spacing at the small end.  I probablywon't see it 
until touching up.  You can see the tilt of the spindle railsthat put the 
cutting surface parallel to the main frame.  I'm going totry one with a 
slightly increased taper and let the checkering fadeinto nothingness 

And the chart update.DanKOn Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:27:07 PM UTC-4 
cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

Today I was motivated to checker an apple piece that I tapered in a typical 
handle fashion.  So using the Taper Chart sheet from the now named 
"LegacyCharts_V10.4" I found that the upper limit to the REVO settings for 
taper is 3/8", i.e. the spindle rails won't go clear up to the main frame 
rails. So I altered the chart to give a warning about values that can't be 
used.  And while I was versioning, I decided that the name should be adjusted 
to better reflect content.  

These are the settings I went with and was anxious about accuracy of the taper 
calcs.  They're dead on!
This is what it looks like to set up.  Needs pretty precise measuring. 

My picture of the work got corrupted in transfer, so after supper.DanK





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Re: Checkering today

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Curt, this is the same process used on the proof of concept test pieces.  
It is a 
60° magnate router bit with three carbide lips sharpened to a very crisp
point.  The wood is apple which is a fine wood for carving.  I used 36
holes of the 72 hole index ring I made on the standard index gear because 
the diameter is much smaller than the test pieces.  The
spacing changes as it proceeds down the taper, almost imperceptibly but
the depth of cut is the same all the way.  The depth of cut is fairly deep 
at
0.063" (1/16").  Precision at every point is paramount.  Even the 
imperceptible
backlash of my REVO was too much.  Had to cut unidirectional.  Tedious.
But this handle went quickly because it's short and only 36 starts. 
DanK


On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-4 Ccm Ccm wrote:

> Very nice 
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2023, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
>> Finished the cross hatch. Look at how sharp and crisp the
>> diamonds are.  This raw off the LOM, no hand touch up.  
>> The change in spacing is barely detectable from large to small
>> end of this 2 3/4" stretch. 
>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>> DanK
>>
>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:05:41 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>>> Very Good Dan. It's great to see a plan coming together. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>> 14171 160th Ave. 
>>> 
>>> Foreston MN 56330 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:56 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here's the work so far.  The taper is just a hair over 2° and I wondered
 how much that would affect the spacing at the small end.  I probably
 won't see it until touching up.  You can see the tilt of the spindle 
 rails
 that put the cutting surface parallel to the main frame.  I'm going to
 try one with a slightly increased taper and let the checkering fade
 into nothingness 
 [image: Capture.JPG]

 And the chart update.
 DanK
 On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:27:07 PM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Today I was motivated to checker an apple piece that I tapered in a 
> typical handle fashion.  So using the Taper Chart sheet from the now 
> named 
> "LegacyCharts_V10.4" I found that the upper limit to the REVO settings 
> for 
> taper is 3/8", i.e. the spindle rails won't go clear up to the main frame 
> rails. So I altered the chart to give a warning about values that can't 
> be 
> used.  And while I was versioning, I decided that the name should be 
> adjusted to better reflect content.  
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> These are the settings I went with and was anxious about accuracy of 
> the taper calcs.  They're dead on!
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> This is what it looks like to set up.  Needs pretty precise measuring. 
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> My picture of the work got corrupted in transfer, so after supper.
> DanK
>
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Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Hey one more note on this.  Ron Brown also sells indexing plates for the 
lathe, 
https://longworthchuck.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=13&product_id=31
 If you like, I can see using these for something close to what I made for my 
roping index jig.By mounting the indexing plate on the Legacy, you can then 
make a locking pin that is adaptable to the Legacy's hub drive in just a matter 
of min.  Then you could use the Legacy's gears and the indexing together on 
your machine, It open up's a world of possibility's, something like Dan's 
checkering concept. (Same but different.)
C.A.G.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 09:16:44 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:  
 
  Wow there are some really Cool things on this site.
Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood 
working shows.)I do own some of his toys.  But this Off-center chuck and ladle 
chuck are Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on  the Legacy.
Nice find Tim. 
I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a 
photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.)
C.A.G.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the 
one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

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true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking 
Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I 
formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do.

 

Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions 
about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume 
anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something 
is supposed to work.  By listening to their questions and answers I am able to 
relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of 
understanding.

 

Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat 
catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind 
threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 
years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we pitchpoled stern 
over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear mountain lake. We survived 
even though she didn't release the rope in time due to my unclear instructions.

 

When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just 
beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms 
they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of 
understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone knows 
what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing sometimes you can 
see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There was a time when you 
didn't know either.

 

Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of 
understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message sent 
clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and examples that 
are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is almost the same as 
speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person.

 

“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious 
jargon”. David Ogilvy

 

Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist the 
urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an answer they 
can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know what questions to 
ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient because you were new once 
too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are.

 

Here is my inspiration for this week's message:

 

Prov 18:13 AMP

He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to him.

 

Jer 33:3 MSG

'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous things 
that you could never figure out on your own.'

 

Col 4:6 AMP

Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as 
it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought 
to answer anyone [who puts a ques

Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Wow there are some really Cool things on this site.
Ron Brown I have meet and talked to many time over the years.(at the wood 
working shows.)I do own some of his toys.  But this Off-center chuck and ladle 
chuck are Very nice, And I could see those being used with and on  the Legacy.
Nice find Tim. 
I know you put the Longworth chuck on your rotary table Tim, Could you post a 
photo of your MOD? (I am sure many in the group have not seen it.)
C.A.G.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 07:10:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its the 
one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

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I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the 
beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new 
turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the one 
true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the Woodworking 
Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's perspective before I 
formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they know as much as you do.

 

Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have questions 
about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to never assume 
anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully understands how something 
is supposed to work.  By listening to their questions and answers I am able to 
relate the solutions to their particular situation at their level of 
understanding.

 

Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie Cat 
catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of wind 
threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After nearly 50 
years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we pitchpoled stern 
over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear mountain lake. We survived 
even though she didn't release the rope in time due to my unclear instructions.

 

When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just 
beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms 
they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of 
understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone knows 
what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing sometimes you can 
see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There was a time when you 
didn't know either.

 

Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of 
understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message sent 
clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and examples that 
are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is almost the same as 
speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person.

 

“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious 
jargon”. David Ogilvy

 

Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist the 
urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an answer they 
can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know what questions to 
ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient because you were new once 
too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are.

 

Here is my inspiration for this week's message:

 

Prov 18:13 AMP

He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to him.

 

Jer 33:3 MSG

'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous things 
that you could never figure out on your own.'

 

Col 4:6 AMP

Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as 
it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought 
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Fwd: Woodturning Newsletter - What You Don't Know

[Tim Ziegler]

Turning accessories we all could use. I have his LongWorth Chuck. And its
the one I mounted on my Rotary Table on my 1200.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


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*You Don't Know What You Don't Know*



I've had the privilege of speaking to an unusual number of folks at the
beginning of their journeys over the past couple of weeks. Some are new
turners, some new flat workers, and some just beginning their walk with the
one true God. One of the hard lessons I've taken from 13 years on the
Woodworking Show Circuit is to listen and evaluate each person's
perspective before I formulate an answer. Don't automatically assume they
know as much as you do.



Today we delight in speaking to our customers by phone when they have
questions about any of our products or turning in general. I've learned to
never assume anyone knows the proper terminology (jargon) or fully
understands how something is supposed to work.  By listening to their
questions and answers I am able to relate the solutions to their particular
situation at their level of understanding.



Many years ago, Sweet Janice and I were on a California lake in our Hobie
Cat catamaran sailboat in a pretty good breeze. Suddenly a strong gust of
wind threatened to capsize us as I shouted "Loose the sheet!!!" After
nearly 50 years I still remember her response, "What's a sheet???" as we
pitchpoled stern over bow and entered the cold cold water of a clear
mountain lake. We survived even though she didn't release the rope in time
due to my unclear instructions.



When you have an opportunity to explain something to folks who are just
beginning their adventure or those not as experienced as you are, use terms
they can understand and use examples appropriate for their level of
understanding and do it on purpose. Don't automatically assume someone
knows what an MT2 means, or 1x8 vs 1.25. When you talk about swing
sometimes you can see their eyes glaze over right in front of you. There
was a time when you didn't know either.



Don't be afraid to ask simple questions to evaluate their level of
understanding. Effective communication has two basic parts; the message
sent clearly and the message received and understood. Using terms and
examples that are inconsistent with someone's level of understanding is
almost the same as speaking Chinese to a non-Chinese-speaking person.



*“Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using
pretentious jargon”. David Ogilvy*



Any time we start something new it can be particularly intimidating. Resist
the urge to show off how much you know, but rather choose to deliver an
answer they can understand. In the beginning, most people don't even know
what questions to ask; they don't know what they don't know. Be patient
because you were new once too. Remember that wherever you go, there you are.



Here is my inspiration for this week's message:



Prov 18:13 AMP

He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to
him.



Jer 33:3 MSG

'Call to me and I will answer you. I'll tell you marvelous and wondrous
things that you could never figure out on your own.'



Col 4:6 AMP

Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned
[as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how
you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to you].




We love helping our customers with turning questions. You can speak to a
live person when you call. If we are not available, we will return your
call as soon as possible. Don't hesitate to pick up the phone. If you have
difficulty checking out, call us and we will be happy to complete your
order on the phone. (770) 962-3821.



*Tool Review By The Wyoming Woodturner - Sam Angelo
*



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2023 around lunch time. I've linked to his channel so you can watch it if
you are interested. If you are curious to see the P Type parting tool in
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Re: Checkering today

[Ccm Ccm]

Very nice

On Friday, October 27, 2023, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:

> Finished the cross hatch. Look at how sharp and crisp the
> diamonds are.  This raw off the LOM, no hand touch up.
> The change in spacing is barely detectable from large to small
> end of this 2 3/4" stretch.
> [image: Capture.JPG]
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:05:41 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
>> Very Good Dan. It's great to see a plan coming together.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> 
>> Foreston MN 56330
>> 
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:56 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the work so far.  The taper is just a hair over 2° and I wondered
>>> how much that would affect the spacing at the small end.  I probably
>>> won't see it until touching up.  You can see the tilt of the spindle
>>> rails
>>> that put the cutting surface parallel to the main frame.  I'm going to
>>> try one with a slightly increased taper and let the checkering fade
>>> into nothingness
>>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>>
>>> And the chart update.
>>> DanK
>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:27:07 PM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Today I was motivated to checker an apple piece that I tapered in a
 typical handle fashion.  So using the Taper Chart sheet from the now named
 "LegacyCharts_V10.4" I found that the upper limit to the REVO settings for
 taper is 3/8", i.e. the spindle rails won't go clear up to the main frame
 rails. So I altered the chart to give a warning about values that can't be
 used.  And while I was versioning, I decided that the name should be
 adjusted to better reflect content.
 [image: Capture.JPG]

 These are the settings I went with and was anxious about accuracy of
 the taper calcs.  They're dead on!
 [image: Capture.JPG]

 This is what it looks like to set up.  Needs pretty precise measuring.
 [image: Capture.JPG]

 My picture of the work got corrupted in transfer, so after supper.
 DanK

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