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RE: wood lathe fall away tail stock

2024-01-27 Thread bulkeley

Very easy you can do it easy with one finger the jig is spring assisted you can 
see the spring on the right hand side if you look closely

As the video is playing also lowering it you can see I’m only using just my 
fingers on one hand 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 4:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock

 

Hey Bill

 

I like that! Good job on this one.

 

How much weight is that device? (I mean how much weight is the tailstock 
tilting?) is it easy to move?

Looks Awesome.

 

thank you for sharing.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:50:18 AM EST, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short video 
of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would

Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down and 
away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like

Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY 
 &ab

 

Bill

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Re: Oval jig video

2024-01-27 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Wow.
Im not sure Im willing to throw away my jig yet ! ;-p
That seems to be alot of work.  But Nice find, Bill.  Something like that could 
be handy one day.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 11:23:46 PM EST,  
wrote:  
 
 
Ok so for those who don’t want to make curts oval jig here is a way of milling 
an oval with just a rotary table and lots of math

Dan you will love this lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSEPDHyr1LY&ab_channel=JoePie its in metal but 
it could be done in wood too 

  

Bill

  

  

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig video

  

Hello everyone.  (just got home form work.)

  

Thank you Dan for the kind words.

The Funny/Ironic part about your video is that set-up was the first one that I 
made for my Legacy (year back.) To make a long story short, I worked, but not 
well, for me. I do believe that there is some commentary in our archives, but 
that's ancient history now.

I think my new version should work out well for me? But time will tell.

  

As a Side note. I too have another Pet project, that will be working on your 
design elements like the spirograph you mentioned. (but one thing at a time. ) 
(ovals before patterns.) ;-)

  

Have a good night.

talk to you all more latter.

  

C.A.G.

  

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 10:19:55 AM EST, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote: 

  

  

I'm gonna stick my neck out here to repeat what I've said before 

at the risk of disturbing Curt.  Now don't get me wrong hereI love 

what Curt has done because without his realizing it yet, he has opened 

a door to a world of complex designs.  Think spirograph. And he has 

accomplished his goal of making elliptical picture frames.  And 

combinations thereof.  His effort is NOT in vain!  He has successfully

navigated through a complex field and reduced it to a workable simplicity.

  

If you are looking just to do something simple like make elliptical picture 

frames or turn elliptical bowls or platters on a low profile trammel this 

can be done using principles from Archimedes trammel that does not 

need gears. The hard part is to envision how to translate that motion 

to a rotary table under a router.  I recognize that this video shows exactly 

that, and I have confirmed through animated drawings that this principle 

will work on the LOM rotary table. 

  

Furthermore, the profile can be greatly reduced using T slots or dovetails 

for accurate sliding for a total height  under 2" using 3/4" material above 

the metal rotary table.

  

The principle behind this is that there are two slots guiding captive sliders.

Usually the two slots are permanently at right angles and stationary while 

the arm moves.  On the rotary table, the "slots" or sliders are at right angles

and  rotate with the table around a stationary off center pin while the "arm" 

(router) is also stationary. Granted, it takes awhile to envision and some 

props help.  I'm in the middle of a project now but this is definitely on the 

table for the REVO.  And there is the ball turner project ahead of this, too!

  

I'm really anxious to see the possibilities evolve through Curts efforts. 

Go Curt!  I'm cheering for ya!

DanK

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 6:43:59 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:


Thanks Curt. not sure that would be me though lol. 




Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

  

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 10:40 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4c_yFmaHso&t=9s Foster Geisman video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX12OFJHQlg David Springett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAoM-CRZBNY Elliptical Chuck project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4YseqnjWjs Tim2Dl...' Oval Elliptical turning 
mill. (NOTE: he used a bike chain and a gear to turn his machine.)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjaBYsAlwGc  Device for turning Elliptical 
turning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSiD7lL8P_k  Planetary gear- elliptical ...

All of these video pointed in the right direction. But seeing the last two 
offered me a way to make it work on the Legacy.

  

Now that the problem has been solved, It's up to your guys to tweak it and make 
a better working version for yourselves. ;-) 

  

C.A.G.

  

  

  

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:17:26 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote: 

  

  

HI Tim

  

Spending on this project??? (most of it was re-work from the trash bin.)

The Linear bearing (Amazon) were $38.00 .

The Alum. plate $7.00

  

That's it.

the concept came form a long time of studying.  

I have been trying to make this type of jig for appx. 6 yrs. 

I saw a video of Foster Geisman's Ornamental oval works, on You tube.

I have tried at least 5 times to mak

Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock

2024-01-27 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hey Bill
I like that! Good job on this one.
How much weight is that device? (I mean how much weight is the tailstock
tilting?) is it easy to move?Looks Awesome.
thank you for sharing.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:50:18 AM EST, bulke...@mmnet.com.au
wrote:

Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short video
of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would

Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down and
away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like

Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY&ab

Bill

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RE: Oval jig video

2024-01-27 Thread bulkeley

Ok so for those who don’t want to make curts oval jig here is a way of milling 
an oval with just a rotary table and lots of math

Dan you will love this lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSEPDHyr1LY 
 
&ab_channel=JoePie its in metal but it could be done in wood too 

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig video

 

Hello everyone.  (just got home form work.)

 

Thank you Dan for the kind words.

The Funny/Ironic part about your video is that set-up was the first one that I 
made for my Legacy (year back.) To make a long story short, I worked, but not 
well, for me. I do believe that there is some commentary in our archives, but 
that's ancient history now.

I think my new version should work out well for me? But time will tell.

 

As a Side note. I too have another Pet project, that will be working on your 
design elements like the spirograph you mentioned. (but one thing at a time. ) 
(ovals before patterns.) ;-)

 

Have a good night.

talk to you all more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 10:19:55 AM EST, cdkr...@gmail.com 
  mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > 
wrote: 

 

 

I'm gonna stick my neck out here to repeat what I've said before 

at the risk of disturbing Curt.  Now don't get me wrong hereI love 

what Curt has done because without his realizing it yet, he has opened 

a door to a world of complex designs.  Think spirograph. And he has 

accomplished his goal of making elliptical picture frames.  And 

combinations thereof.  His effort is NOT in vain!  He has successfully

navigated through a complex field and reduced it to a workable simplicity.

 

If you are looking just to do something simple like make elliptical picture 

frames or turn elliptical bowls or platters on a low profile trammel this 

can be done using principles from Archimedes trammel that does not 

need gears. The hard part is to envision how to translate that motion 

to a rotary table under a router.  I recognize that this video 
  shows exactly 

that, and I have confirmed through animated drawings that this principle 

will work on the LOM rotary table. 

 

Furthermore, the profile can be greatly reduced using T slots or dovetails 

for accurate sliding for a total height  under 2" using 3/4" material above 

the metal rotary table.

 

The principle behind this is that there are two slots guiding captive sliders.

Usually the two slots are permanently at right angles and stationary while 

the arm moves.  On the rotary table, the "slots" or sliders are at right angles

and  rotate with the table around a stationary off center pin while the "arm" 

(router) is also stationary. Granted, it takes awhile to envision and some 

props help.  I'm in the middle of a project now but this is definitely on the 

table for the REVO.  And there is the ball turner project ahead of this, too!

 

I'm really anxious to see the possibilities evolve through Curts efforts. 

Go Curt!  I'm cheering for ya!

DanK

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 6:43:59 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Thanks Curt. not sure that would be me though lol. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 10:40 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4c_yFmaHso 
 &t=9s Foster Geisman video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX12OFJHQlg David Springett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAoM-CRZBNY Elliptical Chuck project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4YseqnjWjs Tim2Dl...' Oval Elliptical turning 
mill. (NOTE: he used a bike chain and a gear to turn his machine.)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjaBYsAlwGc  Device for turning Elliptical 
turning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSiD7lL8P_k  Planetary gear- elliptical ...

All of these video pointed in the right direction. But seeing the last two 
offered me a way to make it work on the Legacy.

 

Now that the problem has been solved, It's up to your guys to tweak it and make 
a better working version for yourselves. ;-) 

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:17:26 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

HI Tim

 

Spending on this project??? (most of it was re-work from the trash bin.)

The Linear bearing (Amazon) were $38.00 .

The Alum. plate $7.00

 

That's it.

the concept came form a long time of studying.  

I have been trying to make this type of jig for appx. 6 yrs. 

I saw a video of Foster Geisman's Ornamental oval works, on You t

Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock

2024-01-27 Thread Tim Ziegler

This is true. I want the bed extension too, so that will be first at some
point.
No hurry.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 2:15 PM  wrote:

> At least yours will just bolt on no modifying like I had to do
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2024 10:54 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock
>
>
>
> Hey Bill,
>
>
>
> Very good looks like that works extremely great.
>
> I have gone back and forth on purchasing one for my lathe too.
>
> Like you said when you have other things to take off and on it's nice to
> have it swing away.
>
> Great work on the install too.
>
> Thanks for the video and the share.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 12:50 AM  wrote:
>
> Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short
> video of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would
>
> Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down
> and away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like
>
> Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY&ab
>
>
>
> Bill
>
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Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock

2024-01-27 Thread Tim Ziegler

We try to be Dan lol
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
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On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 8:56 AM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> What a great concept!  Hadn't thought of such a thing, partly I guess
> because
> I haven't encountered the need.  Thank you for sharing it.  Now I have
> another "shiny object" to pursue.
>
> Me thinks youse guys are a bad influence on a tool junkie.
>
> DanK
>
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
>> Hey Bill,
>>
>> Very good looks like that works extremely great.
>> I have gone back and forth on purchasing one for my lathe too.
>> Like you said when you have other things to take off and on it's nice to
>> have it swing away.
>> Great work on the install too.
>> Thanks for the video and the share.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 12:50 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short
>>> video of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would
>>>
>>> Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down
>>> and away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like
>>>
>>> Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY&ab
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
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RE: wood lathe fall away tail stock

2024-01-27 Thread bulkeley

At least yours will just bolt on no modifying like I had to do 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2024 10:54 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock

 

Hey Bill,

 

Very good looks like that works extremely great. 

I have gone back and forth on purchasing one for my lathe too. 

Like you said when you have other things to take off and on it's nice to have 
it swing away.

Great work on the install too. 

Thanks for the video and the share. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 12:50 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short video 
of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would

Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down and 
away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like

Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY 
 &ab

 

Bill

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Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock

2024-01-27 Thread cdkr...@gmail.com

What a great concept!  Hadn't thought of such a thing, partly I guess 
because
I haven't encountered the need.  Thank you for sharing it.  Now I have 
another "shiny object" to pursue.  

Me thinks youse guys are a bad influence on a tool junkie.

DanK

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Hey Bill,
>
> Very good looks like that works extremely great. 
> I have gone back and forth on purchasing one for my lathe too. 
> Like you said when you have other things to take off and on it's nice to 
> have it swing away.
> Great work on the install too. 
> Thanks for the video and the share. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 12:50 AM  wrote:
>
>> Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short 
>> video of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would
>>
>> Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down 
>> and away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like
>>
>> Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY&ab
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
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Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock

2024-01-27 Thread Tim Ziegler

Hey Bill,

Very good looks like that works extremely great.
I have gone back and forth on purchasing one for my lathe too.
Like you said when you have other things to take off and on it's nice to
have it swing away.
Great work on the install too.
Thanks for the video and the share.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 12:50 AM  wrote:

> Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short
> video of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would
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> Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down
> and away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like
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> Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY&ab
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