Re: Bowl Turning
Hi TimDo you or someone else have Tracy Smith email address.RegardsRon -Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler To: LOM Group Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2022 11:44 am Subject: Re: Bowl Turning sorry Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 8:52 AM Ron Taylor wrote: Hey buddy,I am the wrong Ron lol. Stay safe. On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 10:07 PM Tim Ziegler wrote: Hey Ron, The one I know for sure that has the CNC is Tracy Smith in Utah. I am quite certain he'd benefit. I to of course if I ever decide to purchase a CNC would enjoy copies of them as well. I also want to thank you for all you are adding to the forum. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:26 PM 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Hi Curt A few years ago when you and others developed adaptors to the LOM for wave generation. I looked into wave generation for straight and tapered circular and multisided columns. I developed equations for sine wave, circular and ellipse, square, and triangle waves. I also did it for spiral waves along the column. I also wrote programs written in VB script. These programs when compiled will generate G code for CNC LOMs. I don' t own a CNC LOM. I am pushing 87 and I don't plan on getting one. I am spending less time in the shop. My question is do you know someone who has a CNC LOM that might be interested in getting the report and programs. I wrote three reports titled Wave Wizard for The Legacy Ornamental Mill, Multi Wave Wizard and Curvilinear Wave Wizard for The Ornamental Mill. The first Wizard contained a separate program for each wave type. The Multi Wave Wizard contains only one program that addresses all wave types. The Curvilinear address waves around in a circle like a platter and makes use of the rotary table. Let me know. I can send you the reports or send them to the person.ThanksRon( the math guy) -Original Message- From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills To: 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 8:59 am Subject: Re: Bowl Turning Wave Wizard fo r the RonThat bowl is breathtaking, Very nice job on that ! They say the "Devilardzd gluing up all those parts, must have been a huge choreto do.Thank you for sharing with us your project with us. C.A.G. On Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 07:29:21 AM EDT, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Hi TimAttached is a segmented bowl I made a few years ago on my shop smith. It is 14" in diameter and 9" deep. The woods are red heart, maple, purple heart and ebony.Ron(the math guy) -Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler To: LOM Group Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2022 10:22 pm Subject: Bowl Turning Good evening group, Not an LOM project but it still goes around and gets shaped so it fits the subject. This is technically my very first bowl. Its hard maple with a Dr. Kirk's GOAT Wax buffed with a soft cloth. Awesome finish I guess for the first one its a keeper. More to come. started out as a 2 inch thick blank and about 6 inchs square. Learned some interesting mistakes on the way too. but in the end I'm satisfied. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CAMBiJLFq3ch%3D_kAPLOB%3DcenwnQPVnHZ7hC2BsyojtspFdC2wwQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/1232108082.1046005.1647343752319%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/2010320395.1283416.1647349184865%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an emai
Re: Bowl Turning
Hi Bill I will send them in the morning. Will be multiple messages due to size.Regards,RonP.S. Send any questions. Glad to respond. -Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Mar 25, 2022 8:16 pm Subject: RE: Bowl Turning Hi Ron I wouldn’t mind a look if that’s ok bulke...@mmnet.com.au Bill From: 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2022 10:27 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bowl Turning Hi Curt A few years ago when you and others developed adaptors to the LOM for wave generation. I looked into wave generation for straight and tapered circular and multisided columns. I developed equations for sine wave, circular and ellipse, square, and triangle waves. I also did it for spiral waves along the column. I also wrote programs written in VB script. These programs when compiled will generate G code for CNC LOMs. I don' t own a CNC LOM. I am pushing 87 and I don't plan on getting one. I am spending less time in the shop. My question is do you know someone who has a CNC LOM that might be interested in getting the report and programs. I wrote three reports titled Wave Wizard for The Legacy Ornamental Mill, Multi Wave Wizard and Curvilinear Wave Wizard for The Ornamental Mill. The first Wizard contained a separate program for each wave type. The Multi Wave Wizard contains only one program that addresses all wave types. The Curvilinear address waves around in a circle like a platter and makes use of the rotary table. Let me know. I can send you the reports or send them to the person. ThanksRon( the math guy) -Original Message- From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills To: 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 8:59 am Subject: Re: Bowl Turning Wave Wizard fo r the RonThat bowl is breathtaking, Very nice job on that ! They say the "Devilardzd gluing up all those parts, must have been a huge choreto do.Thank you for sharing with us your project with us. C.A.G. On Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 07:29:21 AM EDT, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Hi Tim Attached is a segmented bowl I made a few years ago on my shop smith. It is 14" in diameter and 9" deep. The woods are red heart, maple, purple heart and ebony.Ron(the math guy) -Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler To: LOM Group Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2022 10:22 pm Subject: Bowl TurningGood evening group, Not an LOM project but it still goes around and gets shaped so it fits the subject. This is technically my very first bowl. Its hard maple with a Dr. Kirk's GOAT Wax buffed with a soft cloth. Awesome finish I guess for the first one its a keeper. More to come. started out as a 2 inch thick blank and about 6 inchs square. Learned some interesting mistakes on the way too. but in the end I'm satisfied. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CAMBiJLFq3ch%3D_kAPLOB%3DcenwnQPVnHZ7hC2BsyojtspFdC2wwQ%40mail.gmail.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/1232108082.1046005.1647343752319%40mail.yahoo.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/2010320395.1283416.1647349184865%40mail.yahoo.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/363276231.248458.1648250804111%40mail.yahoo.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-o
Re: Bowl Turning
Hi Curt A few years ago when you and others developed adaptors to the LOM for wave generation. I looked into wave generation for straight and tapered circular and multisided columns. I developed equations for sine wave, circular and ellipse, square, and triangle waves. I also did it for spiral waves along the column. I also wrote programs written in VB script. These programs when compiled will generate G code for CNC LOMs. I don' t own a CNC LOM. I am pushing 87 and I don't plan on getting one. I am spending less time in the shop. My question is do you know someone who has a CNC LOM that might be interested in getting the report and programs. I wrote three reports titled Wave Wizard for The Legacy Ornamental Mill, Multi Wave Wizard and Curvilinear Wave Wizard for The Ornamental Mill. The first Wizard contained a separate program for each wave type. The Multi Wave Wizard contains only one program that addresses all wave types. The Curvilinear address waves around in a circle like a platter and makes use of the rotary table. Let me know. I can send you the reports or send them to the person.ThanksRon( the math guy) -Original Message- From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills To: 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 8:59 am Subject: Re: Bowl Turning Wave Wizard fo r the RonThat bowl is breathtaking, Very nice job on that ! They say the "Devilardzd gluing up all those parts, must have been a huge choreto do.Thank you for sharing with us your project with us. C.A.G. On Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 07:29:21 AM EDT, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Hi TimAttached is a segmented bowl I made a few years ago on my shop smith. It is 14" in diameter and 9" deep. The woods are red heart, maple, purple heart and ebony.Ron(the math guy) -Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler To: LOM Group Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2022 10:22 pm Subject: Bowl Turning Good evening group, Not an LOM project but it still goes around and gets shaped so it fits the subject. This is technically my very first bowl. Its hard maple with a Dr. Kirk's GOAT Wax buffed with a soft cloth. Awesome finish I guess for the first one its a keeper. More to come. started out as a 2 inch thick blank and about 6 inchs square. Learned some interesting mistakes on the way too. but in the end I'm satisfied. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CAMBiJLFq3ch%3D_kAPLOB%3DcenwnQPVnHZ7hC2BsyojtspFdC2wwQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/1232108082.1046005.1647343752319%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/2010320395.1283416.1647349184865%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/363276231.248458.1648250804111%40mail.yahoo.com.
Re: Bowl Turning
Hi JeffI am originally from Connecticut. The Farmington area Unionville. Went to Union school, Farmington high school and Uconn. Had wood shop in Union school. Had wood shop and metal shop at Farmington high. Electrical engineering at Uconn. Left CT. IN 1958 and work for IBM. I sent some pictures showing the segments and their construction. I wrote a paper showing the design of the segments and the math for computing wood requirements. Also, different types of segment surrounds are addressed.Regards,Ron -Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler To: Jeff Richmond Cc: LOM Group Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 2:17 pm Subject: Re: Bowl Turning Yes exciting stuff. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 11:20 AM Jeff Richmond wrote: Yes, please share any tips and tricks to demystify this exceptional example so even I may try to attempt it successfully. Great work, thanks for sharing. Jeff from ConnecticutSent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2022, at 11:42 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Hi TimAttached is some pics of the segments and other pieces in different stages of construction. As for the finish I used a tung oil base product like Water Lox. I apply the water lox using cheese cloth with a light coat. Turning the piece by hand while mounted in the lathe and avoiding any overlap. I let it dry hopefully in dust free shop. When dry, I turn the lathe ( Shopsmith ) on and using a piece of 4() steel wool ,buff lightly. I repeat this process 7 times. Don 't buff on the last application. You should get a glass finish. I have attached pictures of a segmented lamp I made a few years back. Since you are interested in segmented turning I have developed a process of making the diamond segments in a gang method thus reducing working with small pieces. It also addresses different diamond surrounds. Let me know if you would to see the approach.RegardsRon -Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler To: Ronald Kirchoff Cc: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 9:52 amt Subject: Re: Bowl Turnid Hey Ron,I repeVery beautiful work, I can only hope I get to that point. I purchased a book and a segmentation jig through Crafts Supplies USA in hopes to start something like that at some point. Now seeing your beautiful piece will give me the motivation to keep improving. I have so much to learn. I have been watching and watching YouTube and have even considered taking a class with an other turner who is only about 1 1/2 hoursfrom here. He was recommend to me. Phil HoltonI really like the colors you chose. They really contrast each other nicely. And you turned it on the shopsmith which is even more impressive.pretty extraordinary machine for sure. But the skill which shows in your piece has to be there too. Did you use shopsmith tools and then some or???Thanks so much for sharing this piece. I hope it also entices others. What did you finish it with? Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 6:29 AM Ronald Kirchoff wrote: Hi TimAttached is a segmented bowl I made a few years ago on my shop smith. It is 14" in diameter and 9" deep. The woods are red heart, maple, purple heart and ebony.Ron(the math guy) -Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler To: LOM Group Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2022 10:22 pm Subject: Bowl Turning Good evening group, Not an LOM project but it still goes around and gets shaped so it fits the subject. This is technically my very first bowl. Its hard maple with a Dr. Kirk's GOAT Wax buffed with a soft cloth. Awesome finish I guess for the first one its a keeper. More to come. started out as a 2 inch thick blank and about 6 inchs square. Learned some interesting mistakes on the way too. but in the end I'm satisfied. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CAMBiJLFq3ch%3D_kAPLOB%3DcenwnQPVnHZ7hC2BsyojtspFdC2wwQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/161025755.1312617.1647358991612%40mail.
Re: New member introduction
Hi JeffWhere in Connecticut are you from. I grew up in Farmington. Ron (the math guy) -Original Message- From: Jeff Richmond To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2021 9:10 pm Subject: Re: New member introduction Yes, I am looking them over now, thank you. Jeff from Connecticut On Nov 29, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote: Did the pix come through yet Jeff? Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 7:16 PM Jeff Richmond wrote: Thanks Tim, don’t go out of your way on my account. If you happen upon them, please send them over. I do have some short rails so support ideas to handle the extra length/weight are welcome. I am still on the fence on joining two lead screws or finding a longer continuous one verses flipping the work but I have some time before that spring project has to be started. Jeff from Connecticut On Nov 29, 2021, at 7:55 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote: OK I will dig a bit and come up with them. I finished the job and took it down until the next time. Just keep the rails and brackets handy for the next time and push the machine back to its home. Like I said I flipped my parts. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 4:16 PM Jeff Richmond wrote: Hi Tim, Pictures would be great, if you have them. Jeff from Connecticut On Nov 29, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote: Hey Jeff, I actually made two angle iron brackets and used several oval LOM connectors to attach the extra LOM rail and then supported the far end with a roller stand modified with a flat cross piece. It worked excellent and I did not have to put holes in walls like other's did lol. I can try to find pix if you'd like??? Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 3:02 PM Jeff Richmond wrote: Interesting. When extending using rails, how is the acme screw addressed? Are you installing a longer one or joining them in some manner? Jeff from Connecticut On Nov 28, 2021, at 10:56 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote: Curts right I added a little over 2 foot of extra rail to runs some 8 foot plus on my 1200 worked great justneeded more supports. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 7:19 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Hello again Jeff Your 900 can turn a 8' post if you only turn 4' at a time. It will take some slight modifications, like removing your tailstock on the legacy and using some time of object to hold the end of your stock. I small hole in the wall in my garage did it first, to hold my live center.Then latter I extended my rails.Mike added another lathe tail stock to his Wood Chuck. When there is a will, there is Always a way! ;-) C.A.G. On Sunday, November 28, 2021, 08:08:06 PM EST, Jeff Richmond wrote: Thanks for the background Mike and the warm welcome. I think I saw some snow coming down today. I have a goal of being able to do 8’ posts in the future (not on my stock 900) but a 15’ post must be a sight to behold and a real bear to move around. I am not familiar with the previous generation models and their compatibility with the newer manual / driven mills. I am not sure what generation to call these since Legacy improved something it seemed almost every year for a while and came out with yet another model / package to offer. Jeff from Connecticut On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:43 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) wrote: Welcome to the group Jeff. I'm with you on the smell of burnt I don't like it at all. Air exchange as well as a good filtered mask is a must. The Wood Chuck in the picture has one very important mod that was made by the owner. He took the 1 X 2 steel rail off the front and replaced it with a 2 X 2 That I am sure helped with a lot of the sway that would turn up in the big bladed cuts. The next model after the wood chuck was the Steely as we call them. They used square galvanized tubes to add strength. I still use my Woodchuck because I can do a lot more in the way of modifications when the center points are raised and not trapped between rails. I have done 15 foot posts and table bases with a diameter of 25" All the way down to roping a tooth pick. Welcome to the group that does not accept "limitations" Mike OK On 11/28/2021 7:01 AM, Jeff Richmond wrote: Hello Everyone, I recently joined this group in late October as a fellow owner of a Legacy Ornamental Mill with the hopes of learning more about this tool and its capabilities. Thanks in advance to everyone for sharing offering your experiences and helpful
Re: TK Reciprocater long curves
Hi CurtYes I would like to see about your wave attachment.Ron K -Original Message- From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills To: 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2019 12:14 am Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long curves Hello RonThank you. Burnie and I had many conversions over the years, ( I do miss him.) I have not had the pleasure of knowing Mr. Gold. (But I know Tim would very much like to see that VB script you were talking about. ) The CNC world is something right out of the Si-Fi comic books. Amazing stuff. and way beyond my comprehension at this time. Since you own a 1000 ex. I can explain how I made my Wave attachment, (with pictures) If you want to make your own attachment for your Legacy. Its pretty easy to do. Plus as I already stated, the cutting method is unique.Have a good night. C.A.G.. On Friday, August 23, 2019, 03:28:33 PM EDT, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: Hi CurSoftware has been developed to produce sign waves on a circular column. This software was developed by Mr. Gold in North Carolina. I don't recall his first name. He worked with Bernie modifying his Legacy with roller bearings on each axis to improve carriage movement. He also helped Bernie in upgrading his Legacy to CNC. Bernie was a member and he passed away a few years ago. Mr Gold sent me a picture of a column where sine wave was cut on a CNC machine using his software. I produced a report a few years ago that provides the equations and software code for the generation of sine waves, half circle, ellipticle, zig zag or triangle and square wave patterns on circular, multisided or tapered columns. I refer to wave forms along the column as strings of pearls. I also produced modifications to the equations and software to provide the same waveforms around either end or both ends of the column which I refer to as bracelets. I also provide equations and software for spirals wave forms. I also have an approach for curvilinear waveforms for the rotary table. All these are for CNC machines. The software is in VB script. I don't have CNC machine. My Legacy is the 1000ex. I don't have the capability to compile the VB script to produce the required G code. I put the report on the shelf about 6 years ago. I haven't yet but I will send a copy of the curvilinear wave report to Tim. We work together on wave form generations using the rotory table. Regards, Ron K From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills To: legacy-ornamental-mills Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2019 8:53 am Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long curves Keep on working with it Richard, you are doing a good job! The wave attachment, is something that is uniquely OURS, that is the LOM group's, No one else can easily make the same type of designs, Ive had wood turners ask me how I made that? even Guys with OT machines can not do a wave, THAT is Cool (in my book/ a feather in my cap, so to speak !) ;-) Have a GREAT DAY. C.A.G. On Friday, August 23, 2019, 04:53:09 AM EDT, Richard Ellis wrote: Hi CurtI am nearly sure how I did it,, but will make sure later today. It certainly wasn't just by moving one hole on/in the 40 hole alloy plate.Richard On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 1:25:22 PM UTC+1, Curt George wrote: RichardI like it, I hope you are able to repeat the process again? that is a neat cut! C.A.G. On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 07:15:38 AM EDT, Richard Ellis wrote: Well Tim you are rightWhat I did was to keep my finger in place on the pin of the TK ( pressing gently in one direction )The cut was done, by putting the pin in the next hole to where it should have been.. I:E I made it make a mistake like I did. All trial and error on my part. The question is ---shall I be able to do it again ??Richard On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 11:44:06 AM UTC+1, Tim wrote: That's something I have not seen. You might want to add a light return spring to prevent any loss of time issues in the extended sine wave. Sent from Samsung tablet Original message From: Richard Ellis Date: 8/22/19 3:16 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long curves Tim & othersHere are a couple of pics of the same bit of wood.Richard On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 8:33:28 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote: Thanks for the info Curt & Bill I have printed it of to study and then it will go into my folder for other s who end up with my RevoRichard On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 10:46:40 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote: Hi all you LOM expertsI am trying to do a long (approx ) 6 inch flute with the TK at present with the standard index gear I get a 2 inch point to point curve If I change to the 2X gear I think it will only give me a four inch point to point --- I have not tried but it's my guess !!Am I trying to do the impossible???Richard -- You received this message because you are su
Re: TK Reciprocater long curves
Hi CurSoftware has been developed to produce sign waves on a circular column. This software was developed by Mr. Gold in North Carolina. I don't recall his first name. He worked with Bernie modifying his Legacy with roller bearings on each axis to improve carriage movement. He also helped Bernie in upgrading his Legacy to CNC. Bernie was a member and he passed away a few years ago. Mr Gold sent me a picture of a column where sine wave was cut on a CNC machine using his software. I produced a report a few years ago that provides the equations and software code for the generation of sine waves, half circle, ellipticle, zig zag or triangle and square wave patterns on circular, multisided or tapered columns. I refer to wave forms along the column as strings of pearls. I also produced modifications to the equations and software to provide the same waveforms around either end or both ends of the column which I refer to as bracelets. I also provide equations and software for spirals wave forms. I also have an approach for curvilinear waveforms for the rotary table. All these are for CNC machines. The software is in VB script. I don't have CNC machine. My Legacy is the 1000ex. I don't have the capability to compile the VB script to produce the required G code. I put the report on the shelf about 6 years ago. I haven't yet but I will send a copy of the curvilinear wave report to Tim. We work together on wave form generations using the rotory table. Regards, Ron K From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills To: legacy-ornamental-mills Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2019 8:53 am Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long curves Keep on working with it Richard, you are doing a good job! The wave attachment, is something that is uniquely OURS, that is the LOM group's, No one else can easily make the same type of designs, Ive had wood turners ask me how I made that? even Guys with OT machines can not do a wave, THAT is Cool (in my book/ a feather in my cap, so to speak !) ;-) Have a GREAT DAY. C.A.G. On Friday, August 23, 2019, 04:53:09 AM EDT, Richard Ellis wrote: Hi CurtI am nearly sure how I did it,, but will make sure later today. It certainly wasn't just by moving one hole on/in the 40 hole alloy plate.Richard On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 1:25:22 PM UTC+1, Curt George wrote: RichardI like it, I hope you are able to repeat the process again? that is a neat cut! C.A.G. On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 07:15:38 AM EDT, Richard Ellis wrote: Well Tim you are rightWhat I did was to keep my finger in place on the pin of the TK ( pressing gently in one direction )The cut was done, by putting the pin in the next hole to where it should have been.. I:E I made it make a mistake like I did. All trial and error on my part. The question is ---shall I be able to do it again ??Richard On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 11:44:06 AM UTC+1, Tim wrote: That's something I have not seen. You might want to add a light return spring to prevent any loss of time issues in the extended sine wave. Sent from Samsung tablet Original message From: Richard Ellis Date: 8/22/19 3:16 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long curves Tim & othersHere are a couple of pics of the same bit of wood.Richard On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 8:33:28 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote: Thanks for the info Curt & Bill I have printed it of to study and then it will go into my folder for other s who end up with my RevoRichard On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 10:46:40 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote: Hi all you LOM expertsI am trying to do a long (approx ) 6 inch flute with the TK at present with the standard index gear I get a 2 inch point to point curve If I change to the 2X gear I think it will only give me a four inch point to point --- I have not tried but it's my guess !!Am I trying to do the impossible???Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+ unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/ 58a54418-8c91-4041-841b- 92cf15c106f1%40googlegroups. com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+ unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/ 0a70efeb-04b4-4766-b093- 91238c058645%40googlegroups. com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: Re: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill
Hi Curt When I sent my last message on the topic I had't read Mike's response. Undercutting can be done on the SS but would require rotation of the router about the B axis. Regards Ron In a message dated 2/18/2018 12:19:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes: Hello Ron I like the idea. And cant wait to see what you come up with... Please take lots of pictures. C.A.G. On Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:20 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Curt Sorry for getting back to you so late. I have been very busy and it doesn't take much at 83. I was thinking of making "L" brackets mounted to the top back rails.The brackets would have a slot in them for a sliding metal plate with a threaded hole. A screw with a pointed end would thread into the hole in the metal plate. This screw would be used to install the original turning. This is much like the template holder for the Shop Smith duplicator turnings. Alignment procedures would be the same for each. Large turnings can be done by the follower being pushed against the template on the near side and cutting would be on the near side of the turning. Regards, Ron Hello Ronald using the original is not as easy as you would think on the Legacy, the brackets are made to hold flat templates. If you could mount the original idiom on the brackets, then you are also limited as for spacing/ clearance of the follower. ONE other benefit of using my suggested method is locating or positioning the work. If you mount the template/ board, in such a way it only can be mounted in that position after tracing out the pattern, it would much easier to re-align, in the future... I use my Shop Smith duplicator a lot, for rough turnings, and then The Legacy to do the finals depending on what I want to make. but ... When there is a will there is always a way. I believe that no one machine is its own in all-be-all , do everything machine. EVERYTHING has its purpose and its place. AND Its just up to us, to figure out what that place is??? ;-) I got to run. Have a good day. C.A.G. On Sunday, February 4, 2018 7:54 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Curt Why not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set of brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop Smith duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm. Ron (the math guy) In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, legacy-ornamental- mi...@googlegroups.com writes: Hello Everyone. an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.) I have not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe. The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to produce template that you can reproduce. If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on the template holder. If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.) You can trace the turning. Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild normally is placed.) When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the follower (with the marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the marker's out-line of your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, and then re-mount the template in your original location, to make copy/ re-production of the spindle. Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make more... The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just re-producing from start to finish idioms. The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it can be used as one. I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip and under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I have made over the last few weekends) Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in this video they used a template to make a number of different idioms by using the follower. The sky is the limit. By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever dreamed of. What do you all think? any and all comments are (as always) Welcome. C.A.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups
Re: Re: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill
Hi Curt I agree with your point. However, I think that the Shop Smith approach, where the copy follower is the same shape as the cutter, goes a long way in solving that problem. Regards, Ron In a message dated 2/18/2018 12:57:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes: Hello again. along the lines of what is a template follower on the Legacy, The term is somewhat confusing. Most people think of the template follower as a way to make exact re-productions. On the Legacy I find this view is not exactly accurate, the template follower is a guide, as far as I see it. It is great for detail work where a router bit bearing can not be used. and you can keep a general shape of an idiom using the template. But to use a template to make an exact copy??? "Well" may-be? but ... Ive not been able to do it. And I dont think it/ the template follower is best suited for it... got a run. C.A.G. On Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:19 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hello Ron I like the idea. And cant wait to see what you come up with... Please take lots of pictures. C.A.G. On Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:20 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Curt Sorry for getting back to you so late. I have been very busy and it doesn't take much at 83. I was thinking of making "L" brackets mounted to the top back rails.The brackets would have a slot in them for a sliding metal plate with a threaded hole. A screw with a pointed end would thread into the hole in the metal plate. This screw would be used to install the original turning. This is much like the template holder for the Shop Smith duplicator turnings. Alignment procedures would be the same for each. Large turnings can be done by the follower being pushed against the template on the near side and cutting would be on the near side of the turning. Regards, Ron Hello Ronald using the original is not as easy as you would think on the Legacy, the brackets are made to hold flat templates. If you could mount the original idiom on the brackets, then you are also limited as for spacing/ clearance of the follower. ONE other benefit of using my suggested method is locating or positioning the work. If you mount the template/ board, in such a way it only can be mounted in that position after tracing out the pattern, it would much easier to re-align, in the future... I use my Shop Smith duplicator a lot, for rough turnings, and then The Legacy to do the finals depending on what I want to make. but ... When there is a will there is always a way. I believe that no one machine is its own in all-be-all , do everything machine. EVERYTHING has its purpose and its place. AND Its just up to us, to figure out what that place is??? ;-) I got to run. Have a good day. C.A.G. On Sunday, February 4, 2018 7:54 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Curt Why not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set of brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop Smith duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm. Ron (the math guy) In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, legacy-ornamental- mi...@googlegroups.com writes: Hello Everyone. an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.) I have not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe. The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to produce template that you can reproduce. If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on the template holder. If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.) You can trace the turning. Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild normally is placed.) When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the follower (with the marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the marker's out-line of your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, and then re-mount the template in your original location, to make copy/ re-production of the spindle. Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make more... The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just re-producing from start to finish idioms. The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it can be used as one. I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip an
Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill
Hi Curt Why not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set of brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop Smith duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm. Ron (the math guy) In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes: Hello Everyone. an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.) I have not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe. The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to produce template that you can reproduce. If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on the template holder. If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.) You can trace the turning. Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild normally is placed.) When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the follower (with the marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the marker's out-line of your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, and then re-mount the template in your original location, to make copy/ re-production of the spindle. Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make more... The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just re-producing from start to finish idioms. The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it can be used as one. I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip and under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I have made over the last few weekends) Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in this video they used a template to make a number of different idioms by using the follower. The sky is the limit. By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever dreamed of. What do you all think? any and all comments are (as always) Welcome. C.A.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
