Re: Finding Ornamental work in Nature

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I haven’t been to Tahquamenon Falls in 60 years. Beautiful place.
Imagine the forces built up in that tree. Would it be like cutting a wooden
mainspring if it ever were felled?

Joe G

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 7:35 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> Hello Everyone.
>
> Just got back, yesterday evening.
> I found this tree on a nature walk by the Tahuamenon Falls.
> https://www.stateparks.com/tahquamenon_falls_state_park_in_michigan.html
> The twist is made by the wind.(it almost looks like I used my Legacy.) ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: New live center for my 200

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I'm sure your dog was happy!

Joe G

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, 9:16 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello and good evening everyone.
>
> Sunday's and Mondays are my weekends.  But sadly, We had a storm Saturday
> evening, which caused a power outage for me, The power was restored appx.
> 6pm today.  3 hours in the shop form me over a weekend is NOT normal, And I
> was having withdrawal systems. (Yes people my Feet hurt!  You see with out
> electricity the only way for me to spend my time at home is to walk our
> dog. We walked 10 miles today and even more yesterday.) ;-)
>
> OK (sorry guys, I don't mean to cry over spilled milk, so to speak... This
> weekend was Horrible! )  ;-p
>
> Today's shop time was meant to turn some bone blanks that I got ready for
> turning last weekend.
>
> I did one turning, which turned out pretty good, but after switching form
> machines I noticed that the dead center on my 200 was wearing badly.
> (Note: the 200 was meant to by turned by hand, the motor I use , is way
> more rotations then the dead center was meant to handle.)
> I found an old live center that I used on my pedal lathe, (see Bill web
> site. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpAz-xgLynU )
> The live center has a 1/2-24 thread that holds it onto the MT-1 shaft.
> knowing this I removed it form its shaft and used a fine thread bolt to
> mount it onto my 200.  It was a simple matter of drilling out the 3/8" hole
> that the old dead center used for its mountings and making it 1/2" then
> screwing the bolt onto and in the live center.
> Over all this weekend was not a total lost cause.
> A new toy and bonding time with our puppy. ;-)
>
> Have a good night everyone.
> talk to you all more latter.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Very Nice Legacy for sale on E-bay.

[Joseph Greenleaf]

All the earmarks of a scam.

Joe G

On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 11:01 AM Mike Newman  wrote:

> By the way I just checked on the original one I went to look at in
> Evansville IN and it is still on Craigslist(without photos) but the price
> is now down to $400.  He has a LOM 900with z-axis and rotary table but only
> 1 drive gear unless he has found them since I looked at it.
>
> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the Heads up Joe.
>> I also noted that there was three listings for this machine...?
>> I hope its one the UP and UP, but .  Buyer Beware is always a good moto.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 10:15:48 AM EDT, Joseph Greenleaf <
>> solas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Be wary of sellers with 0 feedback, friends. He has one identical to this
>> one, 394545103590, for ***$1,209***. Alarm bells are going off around here.
>> Let the buyer beware. I once worked for eBay/PayPal in the fraud
>> department.
>>
>> Joe G.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 9:41 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone.
>> This Legacy is not cheap, but I do think it's a very good deal.
>> Someone will be getting a LOT of there Money.
>> This machine is ready to Work, or Play with you , No hand cranking here
>> this is a production tool!
>> Check it out!
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> [image: Inline image]
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>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/394526570687?hash=item5bdb9db8bf:g:aDAAAOSw22JkBQKA=enc%3AAQAH8P539lH%2FRmD2hlHWlZGcjAjARoMCKSGcEngU8Syf%2B%2FfrpjEPLGIzcFa1PZkJSnW5hWf3i6WqvJT0hlFz6gc%2FM%2BNu%2FVbvA1KIqg1ci0v5PR2%2B%2BFY6dyfFRri6EJDQzbtCiqhct7yNMChYiH8aDcyvfnMjIwJX44JB9TVYuVmU9YDdc7zdBDPFhnCMcOmXz2HhF55w1P%2FthtEDvx6SGk2l4D4bAPwtdFnoVXl9%2BPfFQnXfPCruu12RvffY3r1jerJK58pNVtvCixV8LoSscjyXZu731BnilRUVAgtHT7VCwchUVMl%2FcseDRsbx4Q5I8y50aQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4zIx6LoYQ
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Re: log cutting

[Joseph Greenleaf]

That’s quite a tree. It looked like the saw was struggling.
There’s a U.S. Navy squared-rigged wooden warship, hundreds of years old,
moored in Boston Harbor. She is the USS Constitution but her nickname is
“Old Ironsides.” Cannonballs from our English friends bounced off her
timber sides and the sailors gave her that nickname.
Your wood would laugh at mere cannonballs.

Joe G.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 1:22 AM  wrote:

> Spent the day cutting up a big tree down in the paddock it was hard as a
> rock to cut up
>
> videoed a few min of my son trying to cut it what a fun time to spend on
> my birthday today lol
>
> https://youtu.be/2guFeED-On4
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: Go Big or Go Home!

[Joseph Greenleaf]

Zowie!

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 9:06 PM Mike Newman  wrote:

> i saw this video posted on my sawmill forum today.  Biggest spiral cut I
> have ever seen.
>
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CouLgvJv29J/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjy%3D
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Re: pedestal drill

[Joseph Greenleaf]

He’s one of those Thomas Edison guys: “I needed a helicopter, so I…”

Joe G.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 10:17 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Bill,
>
>
>
> WOW!  They need that guy on the "Mission to Mars"!  He can probably
> calculate and fabricate pretty much anything!
>
> He seems to have a wealth of resources - that few folks have - AND the
> skills to use them.
>
> Great non-LOM video.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Feb 27, 2023 10:00 PM
> To: 
> Subject: pedestal drill
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxNrA16yZsU_channel=MariusHornberger
>
>
>
> for any of you guys that have a pedestal drill in your shop
>
> get a load of this young guys mods he added to his unbelievably cool
>
> I know its not legacy but  I just had to share anyway.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
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Re: a mystery

[Joseph Greenleaf]

There is a way to search for images on Google. https://images.google.com
Searching for the image (which looks like a modern staple remover to me,
but I'm sure it isn't. Why would you need more than one? Anyway, here is
the search result:
Joe G.

https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/zkwe2i/a_friend_of_mine_bought_those_things_in_france/?utm_source=share_medium=web2x=3

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 8:40 AM  wrote:

> Ok guys a mystery to solve this pic came up when I was searching the
> internet for old woodworking tools
>
> I don’t think they are anything to do with wood, now I don’t have the
> answer and its annoying
>
> I want to know what the hell they are, 3 sets of 2 and 3 sizes too.
>
> Any ideas I’m stumped
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: videos

[Joseph Greenleaf]

There are exceptions to the copyright laws. Fair use is one. While I
wouldn’t POST anything on YouTube, I’d be comfortable sharing amongst us.
Most (all?) of the copyright infringement actions are for commercial sales.
We don’t charge anything.
Remember, Legacy is the copyright owner. Are they going to sue us, their
loyal minions? I’d be stunned if we even got a nastygram.
As for viewing a video after searching for Legacy? Have at it. With a
YouTube Red subscription—$15/month—you can save videos and the ones you
watch have no ads.
You can always copy videos you own.
Enjoy. The Black helicopters won’t come after you.

Joe Greenleaf
Recovering Attorney

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:46 PM  wrote:

> For all the newbees there is a video out there we are not permitted to
> share because of copyright reasons
>
> So please don’t ever go on youtube and don’t ever put   legacy fast start
>   into the search bar and defiantly don’t look at the video
>
> That first comes up or any others of that persons channel because none of
> us want to do the wrong thing we must obey the rules.
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: 3d printing

[Joseph Greenleaf]

The company behind the article does custom work, so someone needing a part
could send the data files to them and have them create the parts, plus a
few extra to sell and help recoup some of the expense.

Joe G.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 5:08 PM  wrote:

> That article on metal 3d printing was extremely interesting that is
> defiantly the future printing in Aluminum,316L stainless steel and titanium
>
> amazing one day many years from now engineering machineing will be a thing
> of the past. Imagine 3d printed replacement body parts
>
> like hips knee joints ect ,3d printed cars planes even space craft its
> endless every thing we make from metal could be 3d printed
>
> if only the human race would stop squabbling and fighting amongst
> ourselves and  turn our attention to these types of technologies  there is
> nothing humans could not accomplish but instead we spend all our time and
> resources inventing things to kill each other.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Greenleaf
> *Sent:* Monday, 9 January 2023 4:09 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: 3d printing
>
>
>
> There are 3D printers that print in METAL. I’m sure it is a pricey
> meatball, but imagine the gears and such you could have!
>
> https://www.hubs.com/knowledge-base/introduction-metal-3d-printing/
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe G.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 12:04 PM Eric Gantner 
> wrote:
>
> I just recently setup my 3D printer, and I am learning ton.  Once you have
> your files made you can make it out of what ever need for the function you
> need.  All the work is in the file, I would keep at, especially for
> testing.
>
>
>
> Eric G.
>
>
>
> FYI
>
> I purchased Charlie’s Legacy 900 should be here in a week or two.
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 9:04:25 AM UTC-5 aussiman wrote:
>
> Ok I’m giving up the idea you guys talked me out of it
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, 7 January 2023 12:47 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: 3d printing
>
>
>
> That and Laser cut metal gears are not the expensive either.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>
> Foreston MN 56330
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:44 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
> legac...@iglide.net> wrote:
>
> Tim Krause has made gears in the past for some special pitches.  We will
> never be in a position that we will have to rely on plastic gears.  But you
> know, they are making 3D metal printing more and more affordable.
>
> Mike OK
>
> On 1/5/2023 10:31 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> Me neither but if you had nothing else you would look at them, I’m not
> doing it for me it’s for the future
>
> Members who cant get gears anywhere one day also for experiment pitches
> and such
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 6 January 2023 3:14 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: 3d printing
>
>
>
> LOL, don't let him scare you, he wants challenges with it I'm sure.
>
> We have a couple local guys with 3d printing too that I may have try some
> things. Not ready for plastic gears though.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>
> Foreston MN 56330
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 9:03 PM  wrote:
>
> My son bought a 3d printer yesterday he didn’t even have it out of the box
> and I dropped 4 gears
>
> In front of him and said here print these to try it out for a start lol,
> the standard gears and the .25 gears
>
> He said gee dad I haven’t even got it working yet, never too early to
> start son lol I replied . unfortunately
>
> The 2x gears ar

Re: 3d printing

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Re: Bone handle on Magnifying Glass

[Joseph Greenleaf]

Very nice.

Joe G

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 9:56 PM timjz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Finished up another bone turning the tail end of last week.
> Finally got around to putting a magnifying Glass head and tail piece on
> today.
> Several different bits and process's. the Criss Cross (diamond pattern)
> seems
> a bit deeper then I really wanted but does add a bit of accent to the
> piece.
> Overall a fun turning. More streamlined then last turning.
> Will be gluing up some more shortly.
> Wearing a mask during this process for sure.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Tim J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx
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Re: youtube

[Joseph Greenleaf]

People have been sued for copyright infringement by film studios but the
general rule is, if you buy a DVD, for instance, you can make a copy for
your own use. You cannot sell it, nor can you post it on YouTube or
elsewhere.
People do, of course.
Is it illegal to watch a pirated video? I don’t think so. Would I, knowing
it was stolen? No.
The famous movie, Its a Wonderful Life’s copyright was accidentally not
renewed and it was “out there” for years and years.
I agree that creating your own videos is best. I suggest you add a
copyright notice on it, to alert the grit-eating world that it is
copyrighted.
I talked with a well-known author who had one of his novels stolen by some
jerk in India, warts and all. The Indian then sold it on Amazon until the
real author could convince Amazon to shut him down.
The average YouTube viewer sees commercials, but if you pay for a YouTube
Red account (around $15/month), as I do, you can download any video on
YouTube to your YouTube account. Is that illegal? For my $15, I presume
that YouTube is paying royalties to the copyright holder.
I’ve written around eight books and I’m always concerned about copyright
infringers.
It is a filthy business.

Joe G.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 7:12 AM  wrote:

> It’s simply easier to make your own videos and post them rather than post
> a video that is not yours
>
> Those videos that guy has on his channel have been there for 8 months I
> don’t know how he has
>
> Lasted that long posting videos that are not his but is it illegal to
> watch them?
>
> I would imagine it would only be illegal to copy or download them am I
> correct joe?
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Greenleaf
> *Sent:* Friday, 4 November 2022 9:56 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: youtube
>
>
>
> Happy to help. YouTube itself has posted a video from the US Copyright
> office that says much the same thing.
>
> Many people think you can take a copyrighted photo and reverse the image,
> change it to B, or do something to it and that magically removes the
> copyright. It does not.
>
> As I said before, a work’s copyright expires 70 years after the creator’s
> death, and thus become part of the public domain.
>
> Disney Corporation was heavily involved in the 1977 law so they wouldn’t
> lose Mickey Mouse.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 6:45 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Good information Joe. Always good to have some understanding of the laws,
> rules and Regs.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>
> Foreston MN 56330
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
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>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:58 AM Joseph Greenleaf 
> wrote:
>
> Good morning.
>
> The copyright laws changed in the United States in 1977. I once wrote an
> article about it for a national magazine called Camera 35. The article was
> called, “© 1977.”
>
> Are all videos on YouTube in the public domain? My legal opinion is, “No.”
> Some are, but those are few and far between. Under the 1977 law, there is
> no requirement to have a copyright notice, such as, “Copyright © 2022
> [name].”
>
> I’m sure the Legacy videos are post-1977. The Company could give us a
> license to post them; all you need to do is ask.
>
> YouTube and the Internet are a hotbed of copyright infringement. It is
> safest to presume that there IS a copyright, rather than there is NOT.
>
> In the USA, anything published before 1932 is in the public domain.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Joe Greenleaf
>
> (Attorney at Law)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 12:00 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hey there everyone.  I agree with the idea of videos on you tube being
> public domain.
>
> But at this time, I think older Legacy training videos should be keep off
> the group pages for the time being.
>
> I am very sorry. but for the time being, this is what we have to deal
> with. Trade mark information, cope write and other legal details, Still
> needs to be worked out, between Tim and Andy...
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 02:31:05 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> yup will 

Re: youtube

[Joseph Greenleaf]

Happy to help. YouTube itself has posted a video from the US Copyright
office that says much the same thing.
Many people think you can take a copyrighted photo and reverse the image,
change it to B, or do something to it and that magically removes the
copyright. It does not.
As I said before, a work’s copyright expires 70 years after the creator’s
death, and thus become part of the public domain.
Disney Corporation was heavily involved in the 1977 law so they wouldn’t
lose Mickey Mouse.

Joe

On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 6:45 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Good information Joe. Always good to have some understanding of the laws,
> rules and Regs.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
> Foreston MN 56330
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:58 AM Joseph Greenleaf 
> wrote:
>
>> Good morning.
>> The copyright laws changed in the United States in 1977. I once wrote an
>> article about it for a national magazine called Camera 35. The article was
>> called, “© 1977.”
>> Are all videos on YouTube in the public domain? My legal opinion is,
>> “No.” Some are, but those are few and far between. Under the 1977 law,
>> there is no requirement to have a copyright notice, such as, “Copyright ©
>> 2022 [name].”
>> I’m sure the Legacy videos are post-1977. The Company could give us a
>> license to post them; all you need to do is ask.
>> YouTube and the Internet are a hotbed of copyright infringement. It is
>> safest to presume that there IS a copyright, rather than there is NOT.
>> In the USA, anything published before 1932 is in the public domain.
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Joe Greenleaf
>> (Attorney at Law)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 12:00 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey there everyone.  I agree with the idea of videos on you tube being
>>> public domain.
>>> But at this time, I think older Legacy training videos should be keep
>>> off the group pages for the time being.
>>> I am very sorry. but for the time being, this is what we have to deal
>>> with. Trade mark information, cope write and other legal details, Still
>>> needs to be worked out, between Tim and Andy...
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 02:31:05 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>>> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> yup will do.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 8:08 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t know how this guy has not got in to lots of trouble from legacy
>>> with copyright infringement
>>>
>>> But it has saved me hours of videoing doing all these techniques for
>>> beginners, I would say
>>>
>>> Enjoy them while they last, now they’re out there anyone could copy and
>>> keep them as a reference
>>>
>>> To learn how to use their machines
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 3 November 2022 9:42 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: youtube
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Bill, I tried finding him yesterday but would not come up.
>>>
>>> Looks like a lot of great stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>>>
>>>

Re: youtube

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Re: Evolution

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Re: Welding Positioner

[Joseph Greenleaf]

A pricey meatball.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:12 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Wow just think of what we could do with this on our LOM's.
>
>
> https://www.grainger.com/product/20VG97?gucid=N%3AN%3ASM%3APaid%3AFB%3ACSM-190%3AD5UAHM%3A20500101=IwAR2neKWk2RCaaSJm04hp7EPunNSW-bYJdnT4QSf1oA0A5doN7etRfr0KG1s
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> Little pricey!!!
> Kind Regards,
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Re: Friday wake up call

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Does this mean I have to change out of my Bermuda shorts here in Tennessee?


On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 1:46 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Hey Mac, and all,
>
> This  was our Friday wake up call.
> Soon ice fishing ???
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
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Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I’ll kick in, Tim.

Joe G.

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of Tim Ziegler 

Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 2:09:50 PM
To: LOM Group ; Tim Ziegler 

Subject: Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

Good afternoon all,

I have a little update on Arkady's progress:
So as of yesterday they received permission to live and work in Germany for 3 
months, with extensions expected.
The German language continues to be a barrier for him and his wife and will 
cause some challenges for being able
to find work.
They do have phone app translators but that only can go so far.
However, he just notified me that they are able to go to Stadtallendorf for a 
German language course. Problem is it's
a long drive and of course with lack of income and today's gas prices this too 
will be a bit challenging.
but being on the positive side of things this is a huge step for Arkady and his 
wife.

My wife and I are considering donating additional funds to help him along, so 
anyone else that is willing
Arkady still could use more help.
I appreciate all your thoughts and Prayers for them and all the Ukrainian 
people.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 9:17 PM Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah I just copied what he sent me.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 9:16 PM 
mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:

Im guessing it a typo or its ukrain for 2X



Bill



From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2022 5:58 AM
To: LOM Group 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help



Hey Jeff and other's Arkady had a model 900 with Z access, rotary table and 
about 25 router bits.

also X0 and .25 gear sets. Not sure if the X0 is the standard???

lets get scouting lol.

Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:28 AM Jeff Richmond 
mailto:jtrichmo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ditto on that.



I could offer up some extra manual Legacy parts to support that effort once he 
gets settled.



Does anyone know what Legacy model he had previously?



Jeff from Connecticut
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 22, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:



Good morning Tim.

I'm sure that when there is a will, there is always a way.

I've been wanting to make my own small Legacy for a long time. Re-working an 
old machine or making one form scratch might be fun.  And if it helps out a 
friend all the better.

The offer is there,  We will see what happens in the future?



Have a great day.



C.A.G.



On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 08:19:31 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>> wrote:





H I'm betting I could find him one pretty easy lol


Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 6:53 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:

Arkady.  I hope it helps!



What are your plans? Any idea where you will re-locate?  As I understand Many 
country's in this world are opening there doors to People like your self.

I wish you the best.  Please keep in touch, Perhaps once you get settled We can 
start looking for a new Legacy so you can keep up, and get back to a more 
normal life. ;-)



C.A.G.



On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 02:18:51 AM EDT, Arkady Paka 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>> wrote:





Hey averybody.

Curtis and Jon thank you very much for donatings



пн, 21 мар. 2022 г., 13:04 Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>>:

I'm checking into this with him Joe, Arkady and I have discussed it some 
actually.

I told him jobs and places are plentiful here in MN as well.

Anything to get out of that mess.


Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 5:39 PM Joseph Greenleaf 
mailto:solastob...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I sent a small one ($10) to make sure he got it. He said he can access bank 
cards just recently but hasn’t tried it. That being the case (I hope) I just 
sent him $100. We should probably all start thinking of getting him out of 
there. I’

Re: How McDermott Cues Are Made

[Joseph Greenleaf]

Very nice. Workers are on their feet for 8 hours, except the inlay lady.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of bulke...@mmnet.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 3:26:03 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: How McDermott Cues Are Made


Amazing video curt I wonder if tims laser can do stuff like the pics in the end 
of the video



Bill



From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2022 3:05 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: How McDermott Cues Are Made



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj-jkVcYPpw



This is NOT a Legacy video, but one that uses some very neat machinery.

The Details and multi steps in making these pool cues is a wonder.

Some of the machines shown in the process of making these pool cues, just might 
have some spin off's for us to use, (LOM.)

In the very worst case this is a neat/ fun video to watch, in the best...  It 
just might help people get the motivation to make there own. ;-)



C.A.G.

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Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

[Joseph Greenleaf]

Great idea, Tim.

Joe G.

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of Arkady Paka 

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:17:04 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

Hello Brigitte. I'm 67 and I can go to any Europe country. Now I'm thinking 
which one.

чт, 24 мар. 2022 г., 13:36 Brigitte Graham 
mailto:brigittegraha...@gmail.com>>:
Arkady,
You are most welcome. It was not a lot, but I hope it will help you and your 
good lady?
Have you been barred from leaving so that you can fight the Invasion?
Try to stay safe
Cheers
Brigitte

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022, 10:01 Arkady Paka, 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Brigitte. Thank you very much for your donation.

чт, 24 мар. 2022 г., 07:15 Arkady Paka 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>>:
Hey Robert.
Thank you very much for your donation.

ср, 23 мар. 2022 г., 04:18 Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>>:
Yeah I just copied what he sent me.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 9:16 PM 
mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:

Im guessing it a typo or its ukrain for 2X



Bill



From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2022 5:58 AM
To: LOM Group 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help



Hey Jeff and other's Arkady had a model 900 with Z access, rotary table and 
about 25 router bits.

also X0 and .25 gear sets. Not sure if the X0 is the standard???

lets get scouting lol.

Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:28 AM Jeff Richmond 
mailto:jtrichmo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ditto on that.



I could offer up some extra manual Legacy parts to support that effort once he 
gets settled.



Does anyone know what Legacy model he had previously?



Jeff from Connecticut
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 22, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:



Good morning Tim.

I'm sure that when there is a will, there is always a way.

I've been wanting to make my own small Legacy for a long time. Re-working an 
old machine or making one form scratch might be fun.  And if it helps out a 
friend all the better.

The offer is there,  We will see what happens in the future?



Have a great day.



C.A.G.



On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 08:19:31 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>> wrote:





H I'm betting I could find him one pretty easy lol


Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 6:53 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:

Arkady.  I hope it helps!



What are your plans? Any idea where you will re-locate?  As I understand Many 
country's in this world are opening there doors to People like your self.

I wish you the best.  Please keep in touch, Perhaps once you get settled We can 
start looking for a new Legacy so you can keep up, and get back to a more 
normal life. ;-)



C.A.G.



On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 02:18:51 AM EDT, Arkady Paka 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>> wrote:





Hey averybody.

Curtis and Jon thank you very much for donatings



пн, 21 мар. 2022 г., 13:04 Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>>:

I'm checking into this with him Joe, Arkady and I have discussed it some 
actually.

I told him jobs and places are plentiful here in MN as well.

Anything to get out of that mess.


Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 5:39 PM Joseph Greenleaf 
mailto:solastob...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I sent a small one ($10) to make sure he got it. He said he can access bank 
cards just recently but hasn’t tried it. That being the case (I hope) I just 
sent him $100. We should probably all start thinking of getting him out of 
there. I’d kick in if he can get out of Dodge. I’ll put him up here.



Joe G.



Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>



From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 on behalf of Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, Ma

Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

[Joseph Greenleaf]

Maybe a GoFundMe campaign, but I’m sure there are thousands right now, and
ours would get lost.
My grandparents were immigrants from Ireland on my Dad’s side and Finland
on my Mom’s. Her mother had a Russian passport because Russia had invaded
Finland. I’ll return the favor of those who helped her.

Joe G.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 7:24 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Hey Joe,
>
> Yes exactly I suggested even getting him here to Minnesota and He really
> sounded interested.
> I just would not know where to begin. My Son looked up some
> information about it but it looked a bit bleak,
> But there is always hope.
>
> I also had Arkady double check and He is able to get the funds we have
> been sending so if any of you out there
> were holding back for that reason. It's all working and Arkady and his
> wife can get the funds we are sending.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
> Foreston MN 56330
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 5:39 PM Joseph Greenleaf 
> wrote:
>
>> I sent a small one ($10) to make sure he got it. He said he can access
>> bank cards just recently but hasn’t tried it. That being the case (I hope)
>> I just sent him $100. We should probably all start thinking of getting him
>> out of there. I’d kick in if he can get out of Dodge. I’ll put him up here.
>>
>> Joe G.
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> --
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Tim Ziegler <
>> timjzieg...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2022 4:40:54 PM
>> *To:* LOM Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help
>>
>> Thanks all you guys it's so awesome to have a group of Brothers and
>> Sisters come together to help out a fellow LOM member and Friend. Let's
>> keep it going your generosity will not go unnoticed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 3:05 PM Arkady Paka  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Micael. Thank you very much for your donation.
>>
>> вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 21:31 Arkady Paka :
>>
>> Hey Christopher Thank you very much.
>>
>> вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 18:57 Tim Ziegler :
>>
>> Your very welcome. Our honor
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 11:10 AM Arkady Paka  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Tim Ziegler and Tim Krauze. Thank you very much for your donation.
>>
>> вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 17:04 Tim Ziegler :
>>
>> Hey Joe,
>>
>> Thanks so much for the donation. Arkady was assured PayPal was supposed
>> to work for him.
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+%0D%0A+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+%0D%0A+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+%0D%0A+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail=g>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 9:03 AM Joseph Greenleaf 
>> wrote:
>>
>> My PayPal account is Swordpoint Intercontinental. Joe Greenleaf. Glad he
>> got the little donation. I hope he can get it out of PayPal.
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> --
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Arkady Paka <
>> arkadyp...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:32:38 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help
>>
>> I'm sorry. From Swordpoint Intercontinental llc.
>>
>> вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 15:29 Arkady Paka :
>>
>> Hey averybody. I received donation from Sword Intercontinental llc. Thank
>> you very much.
>>
>> вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 15:18 Arkady Paka :
>>
>> Rick thank you very much for your donation.
>>
>> вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 12:42 Rick Hutley :
>>
>> Thanks for organizing this Tim. Transferring the money to him was simple.
>> Let’s hope he and his family remain safe and can rebuild th

Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I sent a small one ($10) to make sure he got it. He said he can access bank 
cards just recently but hasn’t tried it. That being the case (I hope) I just 
sent him $100. We should probably all start thinking of getting him out of 
there. I’d kick in if he can get out of Dodge. I’ll put him up here.

Joe G.

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of Tim Ziegler 

Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 4:40:54 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

Thanks all you guys it's so awesome to have a group of Brothers and Sisters 
come together to help out a fellow LOM member and Friend. Let's keep it going 
your generosity will not go unnoticed.



On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 3:05 PM Arkady Paka 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Micael. Thank you very much for your donation.

вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 21:31 Arkady Paka 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>>:
Hey Christopher Thank you very much.

вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 18:57 Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>>:
Your very welcome. Our honor

On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 11:10 AM Arkady Paka 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Tim Ziegler and Tim Krauze. Thank you very much for your donation.

вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 17:04 Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>>:
Hey Joe,

Thanks so much for the donation. Arkady was assured PayPal was supposed to work 
for him.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 9:03 AM Joseph Greenleaf 
mailto:solastob...@gmail.com>> wrote:
My PayPal account is Swordpoint Intercontinental. Joe Greenleaf. Glad he got 
the little donation. I hope he can get it out of PayPal.

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 on behalf of Arkady Paka mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:32:38 AM
To: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

I'm sorry. From Swordpoint Intercontinental llc.

вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 15:29 Arkady Paka 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>>:
Hey averybody. I received donation from Sword Intercontinental llc. Thank you 
very much.

вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 15:18 Arkady Paka 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>>:
Rick thank you very much for your donation.

вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 12:42 Rick Hutley 
mailto:rghut...@gmail.com>>:
Thanks for organizing this Tim. Transferring the money to him was simple. Let’s 
hope he and his family remain safe and can rebuild their lives.

Rick


On Mar 19, 2022, at 22:48, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Good evening LOM group,

After getting feedback from our mediators it was suggested that you donate 
directly to Arkady Paka, That way there
are no missing links or errors and it goes directly to him.
Please give if you can and I know he appreciates all the help he can get.
Please use the following address to find him in PayPal.

arkadyp...@gmail.com<mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>

It works as I'd already connected to verify it.
I know this will never replace what he left behind but will for sure be a huge 
benefit to him and his wife.
thanks all.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 8:13 PM 
mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:

I would post both if I were you Tim it covers everyone that way



Bill



From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2022 11:25 AM
To: LOM Group 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help



Hey LOM group,



Arkady reached out with his PayPal user name. so we can do one of two things.

You can each donate or I can have you each send it to my account and I can send 
it.

If each of you have a Pay Pal it may be just as easy to donate direct but its 
up to you guys.

Tell me how you want to handle it and I will either give you my Pay Pal user or 
Arkady's which ever will be

the easiest for each of you.

lets get him the help he needs.


Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 9:18 AM Tracy Smith 
mailto:trlsmit...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Tim,



Count me in too.



Tracy



On Fri, Mar 18, 2022

Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

[Joseph Greenleaf]

My PayPal account is Swordpoint Intercontinental. Joe Greenleaf. Glad he got 
the little donation. I hope he can get it out of PayPal.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of Arkady Paka 

Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:32:38 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

I'm sorry. From Swordpoint Intercontinental llc.

вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 15:29 Arkady Paka 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>>:
Hey averybody. I received donation from Sword Intercontinental llc. Thank you 
very much.

вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 15:18 Arkady Paka 
mailto:arkadyp...@gmail.com>>:
Rick thank you very much for your donation.

вс, 20 мар. 2022 г., 12:42 Rick Hutley 
mailto:rghut...@gmail.com>>:
Thanks for organizing this Tim. Transferring the money to him was simple. Let’s 
hope he and his family remain safe and can rebuild their lives.

Rick


On Mar 19, 2022, at 22:48, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Good evening LOM group,

After getting feedback from our mediators it was suggested that you donate 
directly to Arkady Paka, That way there
are no missing links or errors and it goes directly to him.
Please give if you can and I know he appreciates all the help he can get.
Please use the following address to find him in PayPal.

arkadyp...@gmail.com

It works as I'd already connected to verify it.
I know this will never replace what he left behind but will for sure be a huge 
benefit to him and his wife.
thanks all.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 8:13 PM 
mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:

I would post both if I were you Tim it covers everyone that way



Bill



From: 
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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2022 11:25 AM
To: LOM Group 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help



Hey LOM group,



Arkady reached out with his PayPal user name. so we can do one of two things.

You can each donate or I can have you each send it to my account and I can send 
it.

If each of you have a Pay Pal it may be just as easy to donate direct but its 
up to you guys.

Tell me how you want to handle it and I will either give you my Pay Pal user or 
Arkady's which ever will be

the easiest for each of you.

lets get him the help he needs.


Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 9:18 AM Tracy Smith 
mailto:trlsmit...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Tim,



Count me in too.



Tracy



On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:50 AM Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks Curt


Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:

That's Nice Tim.



Let us know what you want to do and  how to do it.

I too would like to help Arkady if I can.



Please tell him that he will be in my Prayers. Hopefully this mess

will all be over soon?



C.A.G.



On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 07:11:16 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>> wrote:





Thanks Rick, I know it will be appreciated.

Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 4:52 PM Rick Hutley 
mailto:rghut...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Me too





On Mar 17, 2022, at 17:50, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
wrote:



I would be willing to put in a few dollars to help out a member in need if 
every member of our group is willing to give just a couple of dollars it would 
add up to a nice amount to help out our member in great need.



Bill



From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, 18 March 2022 7:42 AM
To: LOM Group 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help



Good afternoon LOM group,

As many of you know Ukraine is undergoing a mess right now and one of our

group members is from the Ukraine and many of you know him better then I do.

I have been talking to him consistently this past few days in concern for his 
safety and well being.

First he had to leave his home and stayed in a basement at a friend or 
relatives home, now they are refugee's working on trying to get to 

Re: Translation in CC Videos.

[Joseph Greenleaf]

That’s good to know, Curt. I watch a lot of YouTube videos and often will
use the closed caption feature but I was not aware of the translation. I’m
sure much of it is humorous. Some YouTube presenters simply have no
language whatsoever, sort of like the old wordless workshop. I presume it
is because they don’t speak English, but that doesn’t seem to always be the
case.

Joe G.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 1:18 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
>
> *Just found out a new trick .*
> What I just found out, Was in videos that are not spoken in my language,
> YOU can sometimes use and auto- translate in the video's on You Tube. Using
> the CC (Closed caption) and setting buttons on some videos.
>
> If there is a CC on the video, you can go to setting button and set the
> translate button to some huge number of different languages
> Check this one out.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAgKgXV8CDs
> At the bottom of the video, Right side bottom, you will see Auto play, CC,
> settings. (and three boxes for on screen stuff).
> hit the setting symbol you will see a short list,  sub title/CC1. (will be
> one of the 4 options.)
> click on the > and auto translate will be one of your options. then pick
> the language you like.   IN This case the original language is Russian, and
> Translate into English.
>
> I do not know if it will work on every video, but now that I/we know this,
> It might help us understand more details than what we could learn, by just
> by watching the video the old ways. (for me that was with-out sound.)
>
>
> I hope this helps?
> I know for me this just might be a game changer.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: New project completed

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I’m in East Tennessee. I mentioned the Alagash as parts of it are still 
unexplored, I understand.
I’ve posted a couple of times. Two Joes. Guess I get lost.
I can generally ID common boards and carts, but to look around my woods here on 
the mountain, I can only ID a few. Since I got the app, revelation magically 
appears.

Joe G.

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 on behalf of M.W.Foscue 

Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 1:53:10 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: New project completed


Joe,



Thanks for the info - will have to look into downloading it.



Sort of ironic - having input on the topic from a guy with last name "Green 
leaf".  LoL!!



Do you live up in Maine? (Alagash)



Thanks again for your input - I don't recall seeing any posts from you prior to 
this one.

Please continue with the "participation".

Mac



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From: 
Sent: Jul 12, 2021 10:52 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: New project completed

I have an app on my iPhone (probably Android too). You take a picture with the 
app and it will tell you what kind of tree (or plant) it is. Take a picture of 
the bark, leaves, needles or even the rings. Free for 7 days, then $29.99 a 
year. Well worth it in my experience. Picture-This. Only drawback I have found 
is you have to be connected to cell service or WiFi when using it. No going out 
into the Alagash Forest to timber cruise.

Joe Greenleaf

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of bulke...@mmnet.com.au 

Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 10:37:32 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: New project completed


Can someone please post a pic of a cherry tree that the wood is harvested from 
so I can see what they are like. No stupid stuff like a coke can please I 
genuinely want to see what the tree looks like to see if we have them here 
anywhere



Bill



From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 11:29 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed



lol I like Mountain Dew and my cherrys fresh from the store. stems, pits and 
all.

Cherry pop has never been a favorite of mine.  Though Cherry 7up maybe.



Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 7:24 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:

Cherry Coke! ;-p  I like that Mac.



Thanks.

C.A.G.



On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 11:12:20 PM EDT, 
mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:





I have tasted that so I guess I do know a little lol



Bill



From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 11:49 AM
To: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: New project completed



Bill,

Cherry is really good in a Coke (flavor) they make.

Now you know a little more about cherry.LoL!

Mac



-Original Message-
From: 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Jul 11, 2021 8:33 PM
To: 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: New project completed



Would slower rpm help? I don’t know anything about cherry



Bill



From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 10:28 AM
To: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed



Very nice work. Yes cherry is a whole different animal. Sheer and back angle 
are important. Cherry has a pretty high resin content. Feed rate and chip load 
will also aid in this. I'll be honest the feed rate we run out legacy are a bit 
slow for our bits in cherry. Also our bits are not specie specific. When I 
worked at woodcraft industries as Tool tech, we ground specific for species and 
also had different hook angles to work with. But in our shops we have to work 
with what's out there. None the less this was a cool project and has my wheels 
turning. Keep up the great work.



Kind regards Tim



On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 4:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:

Hello Everyone.



this is a project that I did for a gentleman who I've been doing side jobs for, 
For a number of years.



The spindles are 14 7/8" tall,  1 1/2" dia. with 

Re: New project completed

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I have an app on my iPhone (probably Android too). You take a picture with the 
app and it will tell you what kind of tree (or plant) it is. Take a picture of 
the bark, leaves, needles or even the rings. Free for 7 days, then $29.99 a 
year. Well worth it in my experience. Picture-This. Only drawback I have found 
is you have to be connected to cell service or WiFi when using it. No going out 
into the Alagash Forest to timber cruise.

Joe Greenleaf

Get Outlook for iOS

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of bulke...@mmnet.com.au 

Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 10:37:32 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: New project completed


Can someone please post a pic of a cherry tree that the wood is harvested from 
so I can see what they are like. No stupid stuff like a coke can please I 
genuinely want to see what the tree looks like to see if we have them here 
anywhere



Bill



From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 11:29 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed



lol I like Mountain Dew and my cherrys fresh from the store. stems, pits and 
all.

Cherry pop has never been a favorite of mine.  Though Cherry 7up maybe.


Kind Regards,



Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell





On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 7:24 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:

Cherry Coke! ;-p  I like that Mac.



Thanks.

C.A.G.



On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 11:12:20 PM EDT, 
mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:





I have tasted that so I guess I do know a little lol



Bill



From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 11:49 AM
To: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: New project completed



Bill,

Cherry is really good in a Coke (flavor) they make.

Now you know a little more about cherry.LoL!

Mac



-Original Message-
From: 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Jul 11, 2021 8:33 PM
To: 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: New project completed



Would slower rpm help? I don’t know anything about cherry



Bill



From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 10:28 AM
To: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed



Very nice work. Yes cherry is a whole different animal. Sheer and back angle 
are important. Cherry has a pretty high resin content. Feed rate and chip load 
will also aid in this. I'll be honest the feed rate we run out legacy are a bit 
slow for our bits in cherry. Also our bits are not specie specific. When I 
worked at woodcraft industries as Tool tech, we ground specific for species and 
also had different hook angles to work with. But in our shops we have to work 
with what's out there. None the less this was a cool project and has my wheels 
turning. Keep up the great work.



Kind regards Tim



On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 4:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:

Hello Everyone.



this is a project that I did for a gentleman who I've been doing side jobs for, 
For a number of years.



The spindles are 14 7/8" tall,  1 1/2" dia. with a 4" pitch. Both right and 
left handed pitches.  The wood is Cherry,

I learned a lot on this project. (or re-learned things I though I already 
knew.)  Cherry burns easily. and when cutting across the grain, you not only 
need to keep a keen (sharp) edge, but the profile angle of the router bit must 
also be keep clean in order to stop burning. (Thanks Mike. helping me on this 
one.)

When I cut the ropes I got a lot of burning,  no matter if I took light cuts or 
not, My problem ended up being pitch on the profile of the router bit, (I keep 
the cutting edge honed and sharp, but it didn't help much.)

While sanding the burn marks out, the sanding changed the look of the roping 
slightly.  Something that add Charterer to the project, (I hope?)  "Any-How " 
since the ship and the lights are the focus points, my mess-ups don't look so 
bad? (but that just me talking, Mr. G. liked them, So I guess I did a good 
enough job on this, to get me by?)

The spindle's have a 1 1/8" tenon cut on the ends, they are glued and pined 
into place on the end boards.



If you have any questions or comments on this, Please let me 

Re: REVO Pics & Electricity

[Joseph Greenleaf]

What I have always seen in the US of A are multiples of 240 so you have
440, 660 and so forth.
I have not heard of 415, but I suspect that is probably due to losses in
the three-phase converter. If the machine was designed for 440 and you run
it at 415, you are making it sad.
There are two kinds of converters. The original, nicknamed buzz-boxes, had
a motor in it and that allowed the conversion to three phase. They made a
serious amount of noise. The new kind is solid state. They are not
completely quiet, but they are very much smaller.
The only time I would use one is if I got a good deal on a three-phase
machine and didn't want to change out the motor, or if I had a legacy
machine.
If I had three phase power available, everything I buy would be three phase
if it were an option.
There is plenty of power on the pole, something in excess of 14,000 volts
at my place, hence the single transformer which lowers it to 240 volts, but
it is only single phase.
I once picked up a V4 Kohler generator that was both cheap and monstrously
heavy. It was, in fact, three phase. So, I had the power but not the
equipment. I lugged the generator around for years and finally sold it off.
I was told by an old time electrician that I could tap single phase out of
that three-phase generator, but he didn't volunteer to do it and I didn't
want to turn into a crispy critter doing it myself.

Joe in the mountains of Tennessee

On Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:45 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Joe (in TN),
>
> Thank you for your reply/input.  Most all of what you explained I
> understood.  I'm curious as to why a "home shop" would have a need to go up
> to 415 v.
> Like you said - getting 3ph juice to your house is hard to do - since most
> power companies don't wire neighborhoods for 3ph.
> So you would certainly have an "uphill climb" (not a pun for folks in TN)
> to get them to run a third phase cable to your neighborhood & house.
> Also, I picked up on your comment re: a 3ph converter.  That's been my
> experience with the ones I've seen - Very large/heavy "motor-like" unit -
> and, from what I understand, not very efficient. (Meaning not much of a
> benefit to your wallet nor to the longevity of your machine's motor.)
>
> The converter Richard showed, seems to be a "static" converter.  It also
> seems to be a LOT smaller than the converters I've seen here in the USA.
> I'm curious as to how much a unit like his costs - and how it affects the
> "longevity" of the motor(s) he runs with it.  If it it a static converter,
> I expect it to be essentially "silent".
>
> I know that SawStop sells their ICS model in both a 5 and 7 HP version -
> running on 480v 3ph juice.
> (Is the 415v a "Kingdom" or "French" thing?   Or do we also use 415 here
> in the USA?)
>
> Have a wonderful weekend.
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph Greenleaf
> Sent: May 29, 2020 12:43 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills
> Subject: Re: REVO PICS
>
> I'm not an electrician, but I have bumped up against the power issue many
> times before.
> The essence is, more power = more work, and easier work.
> More power will also kill you quicker.
> In the USA, the voltage is nominally 120 volts, sometimes seen as 110v (v
> for volts).
> This can vary from even as low as 80v and go much higher than 120v,
> because of the grid.
> Plugs in the USA have either 2 or 3 prongs.
> 3 prongs, the common tool plug, have a hot, a neutral, and a ground.
> ("Earth" in the UK and many other places).
> In the USA, to get 240v (or 220v), there are two 120v "hots." (120 + 120).
> In the UK and Ireland, where I used to live, there are 3 prongs, but one
> is 240v, one is neutral, and one is earth, or ground.
> In America, and everywhere, you can have, say, 20 amp 120v outlets, and
> you can have 20 amp 240v outlets. Ohm's Law, Power=I2R, which, without
> doing the math (or "maths" in the British Isles), with more voltage, you
> have more power (or wattage). More watts mean more work. A 60A circuit is 3
> times more powerful than a 20A circuit.
> Some devices can change from 120v to 240v by moving wires inside the
> motor. They work better, stronger, cheaper, and sometimes quieter at 240v.
> The commonly, 120v or 240v is 1 phase, or 1ph. 3-ph is much more
> efficient, and electric motors don't generally need a starter component.
> (Not an automotive starter).
> To run a 3ph motor on a 1ph circuit, you need a converter box. They often
> make alot of noise, and the motor usually isn't as efficient as 3ph coming
> from the pole.
> (If your power pole, or one nearby, has three transformers, you probably
> have 3ph available.)

Re: REVO PICS

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I'm not an electrician, but I have bumped up against the power issue many
times before.
The essence is, more power = more work, and easier work.
More power will also kill you quicker.
In the USA, the voltage is nominally 120 volts, sometimes seen as 110v (v
for volts).
This can vary from even as low as 80v and go much higher than 120v, because
of the grid.
Plugs in the USA have either 2 or 3 prongs.
3 prongs, the common tool plug, have a hot, a neutral, and a ground.
("Earth" in the UK and many other places).
In the USA, to get 240v (or 220v), there are two 120v "hots." (120 + 120).
In the UK and Ireland, where I used to live, there are 3 prongs, but one is
240v, one is neutral, and one is earth, or ground.
In America, and everywhere, you can have, say, 20 amp 120v outlets, and you
can have 20 amp 240v outlets. Ohm's Law, Power=I2R, which, without doing
the math (or "maths" in the British Isles), with more voltage, you have
more power (or wattage). More watts mean more work. A 60A circuit is 3
times more powerful than a 20A circuit.
Some devices can change from 120v to 240v by moving wires inside the motor.
They work better, stronger, cheaper, and sometimes quieter at 240v.
The commonly, 120v or 240v is 1 phase, or 1ph. 3-ph is much more efficient,
and electric motors don't generally need a starter component. (Not an
automotive starter).
To run a 3ph motor on a 1ph circuit, you need a converter box. They often
make alot of noise, and the motor usually isn't as efficient as 3ph coming
from the pole.
(If your power pole, or one nearby, has three transformers, you probably
have 3ph available.)
So, basic rule of thumb, if you have a choice between 120v or 240v, ALWAYS
go 240v. Ditto between 1ph and 3ph, although, like me, in the Tennessee
mountains, I don't have that option.

Joe Greenleaf


On Fri, May 29, 2020, 11:41 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Richard (or anyone else knowledgeable re: this question),
>
> The "standard" household electricity in the USA is 120v/60 cycles.  All
> homes have 220 volts coming into the house - and a few circuits that use
> the 220.  Some of those are: electric water heaters and stoves/ovens,
> heating/air conditioning units, clothes dryers, electric vehicle charging
> boxes, and home shops (if you have the shop wired for one or more 220
> outlets).
> I understand that most larger shop machines (like table saws, planers,
> shapers, etc.) run "better" when wired for and plugged into 220 v power.
>
> It is my understanding that The Kingdom runs "normally" with 220v/50
> cycles to the home.  (Is that correct?)
>
> My question is:  Why go through the effort (and expense?) to change the
> power to, not only 415 volts, but also 3 phase?
> What are the pros & cons?
>
> Cheers! (and stay Healthy!)
> Mac
> (PS:  PLEASE "recall" your wandering "Prince & Princess".  Neither Canada
> nor the USA need them over here.)
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Ellis
> Sent: May 29, 2020 3:10 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: Re: REVO PICS
>
> Curt
> The Samson box is an inverter that changes 240 volt single phase into 415
> 3 phase. That drives my spindle. I can control the speed easily and program
> it so set the ramp up or down i:e how fast is starts up or slows down.
> I am thinking of making a control for the leadscrew using a motor driving
> a small pulley. This is just to assist me !! I get fed up turning the
> handle when doing long spindle work.
> Richard
> --
> --
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 2:52:16 PM UTC+1, Curt George wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, for the pix's.
>>
>> I do have a few questions.
>>
>> on photo #2 the end view, what is that steel bracket with the slot?
>> Also what is that Samson box? a motor speed control?
>>
>> I did not know that the rail orientation is not the same as my 1000ex.'s
>> your top slides are using the wide slot.
>> If someone would convert linear slides onto this machine, it would be
>> nice to make sure the slides look as they were made to fit this machine,
>> the 16mm fit like a glove on the thin side of the rails,  Let me check.
>> Ive got both 16mm linear slides as well as 20mm linear slides, Let me
>> take a look at the two and see which looks better on the wide slide.
>> Can you also take a photo of the Y movement. (how the router is mounted
>> to the carriage?)
>>
>> Have a good day.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> --
>> --
>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 06:58:21 AM EDT, Richard Ellis <
>> rchrd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Curt,
>> Here are a few pics of my Revo. Don't hesitate to ask questions and it
>> applies to anyone who is interested
>> Richard
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Re: 4 LOM VHS tapes

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I'd be happy to have them, John.
My address is:
Joseph Greenleaf
548 Jackson Hollow Rd
Thorn Hill, TN 37881

I can transfer the $ by PayPal, Zelle, check, or send you a prepaid postage
label, as you wish.

Joe Greenleaf
jagreenl...@me.com


On Oct 19, 2019 at 11:15 AM, John Sasinowski 
wrote:

Hi all.

I have four VHS tapes from Legacy Woodworking Machinery / Phantom
Engineering that I no longer need.
If you’re interested, they’re yours for the cost of shipping.

Here are the titles:

   - Legacy Ornamental Mill Assembly Video 1000/1500 EX
   - Legacy Ornamental Mill EX Series Fast Start Video
   - Ornamental Milling Projects 1 - 5
   - Ornamental Milling Projects 6 - 10

Thanks!

John

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Re: always wear your face shield

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I'm amazed at how people don't wear personal safety equipment. A young man
in a welding class in town bent over and speared his eye on a sharp piece
of steel. Blinded and tossed from the course. Violated the safety glasses
rule.

Joe

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 5:57 PM 'Frank Vidmar' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hey Joseph this same thing happened to me. I always wear my safety glasses
> and a nail from my framing nailer ricocheted and struck my glasses in the
> middle of the lens putting a chip in the lens. All I kept thinking was
> thank God I wore those glasses. None of the other guys on the job site wear
> theirs even after this incident. It’s a numbers game that you won’t like
> the odds.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 1, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Joseph Greenleaf 
> wrote:
>
> I heard of a man who gave his son safety glasses for his new construction
> job. The son protested, saying he'd look like a geek. He wore them anyway.
> That night he came home and showed Dad the ricocheted nail imbedded in the
> lens...
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 10:53 AM Dexter Bland  wrote:
>
>> This topic reminds me of a story I read several years ago.
>> A guy and his son are trying out a new lathe the father bought that had
>> an electronic speed control that was not what the guy was used to. He
>> chucked up a big piece of wood and started to turn it on then remembered to
>> stop so they both could put on safety glasses. He then turned on the
>> machine and stood back, not realizing that it was 10x's faster than he
>> thought. The machine was so out of balance that is started walking across
>> the floor and then threw the chunk of wood through the wall of the garage
>> and falling over and unplugging itself. His son then turns to his dad and
>> says "good thing we put our safety glasses on, huh dad."
>> db
>>
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Re: always wear your face sheld

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I heard of a man who gave his son safety glasses for his new construction
job. The son protested, saying he'd look like a geek. He wore them anyway.
That night he came home and showed Dad the ricocheted nail imbedded in the
lens...

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 10:53 AM Dexter Bland  wrote:

> This topic reminds me of a story I read several years ago.
> A guy and his son are trying out a new lathe the father bought that had an
> electronic speed control that was not what the guy was used to. He chucked
> up a big piece of wood and started to turn it on then remembered to stop so
> they both could put on safety glasses. He then turned on the machine and
> stood back, not realizing that it was 10x's faster than he thought. The
> machine was so out of balance that is started walking across the floor and
> then threw the chunk of wood through the wall of the garage and falling
> over and unplugging itself. His son then turns to his dad and says "good
> thing we put our safety glasses on, huh dad."
> db
>
>
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Re: Things you can make with a turn table.

[Joseph Greenleaf]

EU/UK companies don't generally charge VAT if it is a foreign buyer. Usually, 
if there is a ship-to address in the USA, there's no VAT.
Shipping on that should be under $10, and the duty, if any, is likely around 
10%.

Joe Greenleaf
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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of MWF 

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:47:42 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Things you can make with a turn table.

Brigitte,
So great to "hear" from you!  It has been a Long time since we heard from you.  
We pray all is well with you.
WOW!! As you said - that piece of "gearing" is EXPENSIVE.  That will almost pay 
for a Legacy-made Turntable. (That's ~$319 US based on the With VAT rate - but 
does not include mailing + any Duty fees.)  I've never ordered from The Kingdom 
- so I don't know whether or not to use a With or Without VAT.
Thanks for sharing.
Mac


-Original Message-
From: Brigitte Graham
Sent: Jan 14, 2019 6:20 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills
Subject: Re: Things you can make with a turn table.

Hello Everyone,
I have just found this website 
www.uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/1223444/
 (Ouch, this example is particularly expensive for a 2m length)
The item is a flexible strip of cog teeth.
I would envisage making your own turn table out of a disc of MDF and 
gluing/pinning this strip to the edge of the MDF.
I am not sure how the rotary table works mechanically, but there are  others 
available, if you do a google search for <>, I 
expect there will be one that marries up to the tooth configuration on the 
Legacy issue?
Cheers
Legacy Widow

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 15:03, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:
Hello Mac

Sadly I lost contact with him Years ago. just after he left Legacy.
Dane did some Neat things with his Legacy that No one (that I know of ) has 
done with THERE machine ('s)  before (or since.)
The wooden turn table is just one of his methods that I found really neat, that 
he used to get the job done.

I would think that a 2' round table mounted between the rails on the Legacy. 
with a home made locking pin (Like an indexing plate.) could be used to make 
almost any rosette or product that the smaller turn table could do, at only a 
fraction of what the turn table cost. ( by the way that was Over $300.00 back 
in 2009 )

But this is just one method, I am sure that someone else could make there own 
turn table using a different idea/construction method.
When there is a will. there is Always a way.
Dose anyone have any other ideas?

If you cant buy what you want, I say, Lets Make it !
Who know? what might come form a simple idea?

Have a good day.

C.A.G.

On Monday, January 14, 2019, 12:36:29 AM EST, MWF 
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Curtis,
Really cool.  It will get folks thinking how they can make "A better mousetrap" 
for their Mill.
Do you have Dane's contact info?  If so, could you get him to post more pics & 
info on how he made the various items we see here?
If we are lucky, he is a "Lurking" Member of our Group; will read this thread: 
and will post the requested info.

Thanks for sharing.
Mac


-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Jan 14, 2019 12:15 AM
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
Subject: Things you can make with a turn table.

Hello Everyone.  Its been asked a few times lately. about the turn table on the 
Legacy.
Unless you Own one, (and are willing to sell it.) The only other way you can 
get one, it to make your  own.
A Legacy Owner and former Sales rep. Dane C. made these  on a home made turn 
table back in the yearly 2009 time frame.
He used wood for his. and Later Legacy started selling a steel version.
Any How , Here are some photo's
Simple ideas, can make some extraordinary works of art.
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as always any and all comments are welcome.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.

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Re: new legacy modle

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I looked to see what that puppy costs, not that I could buy one. No price 
shown. Probably $100,000...

Joe G.

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of 4 Jim Carpenter 

Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 1:10:56 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new legacy modle

Hope they support the new better than the do with the old.  Must say they have 
helped a bit referring me here. So, getting offers on gears and indexes, hope 
the basic sells before I lose the buyers on the list.  Still looking for input 
on what I have marked multiplier and one marked duplicator, same purpose & same 
values. What values should I expect when selling ?  Jump in guys need garage 
room.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 11:16 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
 wrote:
WOW!  That is some machine!  Im sure the price is slightly above the $3000.00 
my 1000ex cost me. ;-p

Legacy has come a long way form where is started.

C.A.G.

On Thursday, July 26, 2018, 8:44:44 PM EDT, Bill Bulkeley 
mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:



Legacy has a new model mill 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHUcNxai474=em-uploademail



They certainly are far different now days from our old mills I sure wish I 
could afford one, this big new mill I would have to sell my soul to afford the 
mill and the massive shipping cost to down under

But it sure is pretty to watch them in action



Bill





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Re: 4X gear set and hardware

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I'd seriously consider buying a set.

Joe Greenleaf
jagreenl...@me.com

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018, 12:05 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> Your right roger my 4x gears fit on my 900 no problem the only thing I
> would improve with them is the delrin centres I will make brass ones as
> needed. and if necessary it doesn’t take that long to swap the standard set
> to the 4x set not that i need to my hybrid mill has gears each end one end
> standard set and the other the 4x set.
>
> Now if Bruce  ends up making a set if he makes a couple of extras i bet
> members would buy them from him that would pay for his set
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bawdsey64
> *Sent:* Thursday, 19 July 2018 7:49 PM
> *To:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* Re: 4X gear set and hardware
>
>
>
> Hi Curt
>
> Slight correction regarding your email on the 4X Gear Set, yes it was made
> for the 2000 Series but worked on the 900, 1200 & 1800. I say this because
> I sold a number of sets to folk with those machines and received no
> compliants.
>
> Cheers
>
> Roger - in UK ​
>
> ​
>
>
>
> ​
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>
> *Received:* 19/07/2018 05:21:08 +01:00
>
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>
> ​
>
> Hello and Good morning.
>
> Bruce. call Legacy again and this time ask for Cindy, she takes care of
> the older Legacy business/ manual machines.
>
> She may be able to help you...
>
> As far as I know the X 4 gear set, was made for the 2000 models. they are
> extra heavy gearing. and do need an entirely new frame work to mount and
> use them.
>
>
>
> Having said that, If Legacy can not help you. I know a few different ways
> to make what you want.
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/x$202$2C3$2C4$20gear$20sets%7Csort:date/legacy-ornamental-mills/SOBPR8UZ-cY/IALGbkrBBQAJ
>
>
>
>
> This is an older topic from our archives, that I made, the X-2,3,4, gear
> sets. Perhaps you could make something like this as well?
>
>
>
> More latter.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018, 12:15:38 PM EDT, MWF 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Bruce,
>
>
>
> Welcome to The Group.
>
> I went to your website - Very nice.
>
> One "question" I had when on your website was "Where are they located?".
>
> I don't know if that omission was by design or merely an "Ooops!".
>
> Just thought it was worth sharing - because pretty much anytime I interact
> with someone that may be making/selling me something, I want to know where
> they are.  Not necessarily the exact address - but at least the nearest
> city & state.
>
>
>
> I am confident you will get the answers to your request regarding the 4X
> Gear Set from one or two folks in The Group.
>
> In fact, I hope that Tim will jump in, not only with the answers but, with
> an offer to The Group to take orders from anyone interested in the 4X Gear
> Set.  Then, if he gets the number of sets to make it worth is time, take
> orders and solve our need for the set.
>
> Tim has fabricated a number of pieces for the LOM in the past - and from
> what I understand, they are as good as or Better than what Legacy made.
>
>
>
> Again, welcome - and we look forward to not only finding out where you are
> located, but to seeing projects you produce with your Mill.
>
>
>
> Mac
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Bruce' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Jul 18, 2018 9:50 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: 4X gear set and hardware
>
> Hello Everyone
>
>
>
> I am a new member in this group, thanks for letting me join. My name is
> Bruce Wellard, I have been into wood working for over 30 years. I got my
> first Legacy 900 Mill about 20 years ago.
>
> I have recently purchased a used 1000 EX in excellent condition and would
> like to get a 4X gear set to do some larger projects with. I have contacted
> Phantom Engineering to see if I could buy this set, they told me they do
> not supply it any longer. That said I am going to make them myself, but I
> need a little help. I have most of the information I need to do this, just
> missing a few things. If any one has a full set, I need some dimensions and
> photos of the A set gears, spindle gear and the left and right hand
> directional gears. The outside diameter and tooth count will do. Also need
> pictures of the brackets and the dimensions of them. Any help on this would
> greatly appreciated. When I get them done I will post the results for
> anyone interested.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Bruce
>
> Wood Hound Woodworking
>
> woodhoundwoodworking.com
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Re: FW: Question for all on turning bone?

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I have been using Gorilla clear glue for various projects. Heavily
advertised, but actually quite good for most everything.
Thanks for the link to the glue company.
Is anyone near East Tennessee, where I am?

Joe Greenleaf
jagreenl...@me.com

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thank you Lonnie
>
> So you use CA glue.That is something that I have lots of.  Have you tried
> Epoxies, or Hide glue?
>
> Bone is not something that lots of people talk about,  I want to find out
> as much as I can on this topic.
>
> Again Thank you.
>
> talk to you and all more latter.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, July 8, 2018, 11:16:25 AM EDT, Lonnie Carlton <
> lonniecarl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Curt,
>
> Looks like I forgot to attach the CA glue site. Please find it below.
>
>
>
> https://www.starbond.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lonnie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lonnie Carlton [mailto:lonniecarl...@comcast.net]
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:52 AM
> *To:* 'legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com' <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Question for all on turning bone?
>
>
>
> Hello Curt,
>
> This is Lonnie (a new member) I am an old wood turner. Over the years I
> have work a lot with antlers, bone and horns making pen and inlays in
> bowls. I have had very good success using CA glue. Below, is a site where I
> am able to get CA glue in large quantizes at a low price just in case you
> may need one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lonnie
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills [
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 7, 2018 5:53 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Question for all on turning bone?
>
>
>
> Hello Mac
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> I have read about the ants... But at this time soap and water will do me
> fine.
>
>
>
> The funny think about turning bone is What I hear is pretty much all the
> same stuff. Where to get it, cleaning.,, /but what I really want to know is
> how to make something out of
>
> bone its self.
>
> Most stuff that I've seen is very small things, like chess parts and
> buttons, sowing bobbins... What I've seen i on a few sites, are small boxes
> and ... larger things that just one bone can never be big enough. Which
> means to me I have to glue up a number of parts to make something bigger.
>
>
> Now the question comes to mind is HOW? Wood glue? Epoxies? CA glue??? (to
> name just a few bonding methods.)Is Laminated turning the best way?
> How about segmentation turning like how people make bowls. If I can take
> lots of little pieces and turn it into something much bigger,
>
>
>
> Its starting to look like I will be forced to do the old, trial and error
> method.  Just make something and see how it works out.
>
>
>
> If you hear any more on this topic Mac. Please let me know.
>
>
>
> I have very little free time coming to me over the next few months. so for
> me its going to be hit or miss. when it comes to  chasing dreams. and new
> ideas.
>
>
>
> If anyone can point me in the right direction, Please feel free to do so.
> ;-)
>
>
>
> Have a good night.
>
>
>
> talk to you all more latter.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2018, 10:48:09 AM EDT, MWF 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Curt,
>
>
>
> I recently talked with a taxidermist about the subject (more focused on
> skulls - but the info applies to other bones as well).
>
>
>
> What I can tell you is regarding getting all the meat, marrow etc. off/out
> of the bones.  Her preferred way is using a particular beetle.  They
> consume all that "soft" stuff in the bone - leaving you with the "cleaned"
> bone.  Look that up on the internet.
>
>
>
> Another method I have heard of is to place the bone(s) next to an ant
> nest.  They will have a feast - after which you will have a "cleaned" bone.
>
> Word of caution:  You may want to place a "cage" over the bones - since
> some rodents/critters may gnaw on the bone, or worse yet, run off with it.
>
>
>
> Have a safe day.
>
> Mac
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>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Jul 6, 2018 10:34 AM
> To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
> Subject: Question for all on turning bone?
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
> As you all know, I am always looking at new turning materials,  I made a
> posting a week ago on turning bone.
>
>
>
> Dose anyone have any info on this topic?  I have done a pretty large
> search on this topic as of late. but honestly I have not found much.
>
>
>
> The outer part of the bone is all that is used. As for a leg bone,( the
> thickest bone) the edges can get somewhere just over 1/4" for thickness.
>
>
>
> Knife makers use what is called Scales, they are basically the bone cut in
> half, and then sanded down to 1/4" to make the handles on knifes.
>
> Where turners, So what I have 

Re: Question from a new member.

[Joseph Greenleaf]

I did get a link to a scanned copy. Missing a couple pages, but enough to
get me started.
I'm in East Tennessee. Who is the closest member?

Joe Greenleaf

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018, 8:44 PM MWF  wrote:

> Hello Joe / "Varmit",
>
> I assume you have not heard from anyone with a lead to your requested info.
> I'm surprised that you have not heard anything or been told a link to
> access the Instructions for your Model 1200. (By the way, I think there
> were 3 "models" - one being the "1200" and another the "1200XL".  They
> probably used the same manual with a few extra pages touching on the unique
> aspects of the XL version.
> Maybe when the sun rises "Down Under" Bill will point you in the right
> direction - if Curtis doesn't beat him to it.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Wishing *all* LOM Group members a "Happy Fathers' Day" (if it applies).
>
> Mac
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'varmit72' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Jun 17, 2018 4:35 PM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: Re: Question from a new member.
>
> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 8:51:07 AM UTC-6, Curt George wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a Model 1200 with the Z-axis upgrade. It has been sitting in its
>> boxes for 12 years, as I had some health issues and wasn't able to get to
>> it until now. Hopefully, I can figure out where everything goes together. I
>> have the instructions for the Z-axis upgrade, if anyone needs it, but I
>> don't have the instructions for the 1200 itself. If anyone can supply it,
>> or point me to it, I'd appreciate it. --Joe, East Tennessee
>>
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