Re: Test post delete at will

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 11:47 AM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Merry Christmas everyone.
> This is a test post after a complete restart of everything because the
> site wouldn't take a post from me.  Tim Z was able to post the content on
> my behalf after I sent it to him.  Thank you, Tim.
> DanK
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Re: ROLL CALL!!!

[Ray Leaman]

I will add my thanks Bill for your efforts and videos.  I watch them and
keep them for reference.  Will look forward to more in the future.  Good on
ya.

On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 1:14 PM  wrote:

> Bill,
>
>
>
> Just a quick note of appreciation and encouragement regarding your
> tutorials. I greatly value any help and instruction I can get.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2023 1:53 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: ROLL CALL!!!
>
>
>
> I am so glad to see all these people chiming in to say hello I truly
> thought the group was almost finished there only ever seemed to be mostly
> me ,Tim and Curt posting legacy stuff alone with very few comments no
> matter what we tried there was very little interest only Curts bone milling
> got a few reply’s, I was truly discouraged and turned my attention away to
> scroll sawing for a while and any minor legacy news of things I was doing I
> just communicated with privet emails to the guys I didn’t think there was
> anybody much left in the group to read the posts. Looks like I was wrong,
> people are still looking at what we do, comments good or bad inspire us to
> do more things on our legacys and post them I even stopped making my video
> series of ornamental milling for beginners because I thought only one or 2
> people were looking at them. After I complete my last 2 scroll saw projects
> I might just have to do something legacy again and post it to the group.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
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Re: Legacy's OLDER Cousin's

[Ray Leaman]



On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 10:19 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQR5G8npdek
>
> Good morning everyone.  This is a short video that many of us might like
> to see.  The Craftsman router crafter is a step in the right direction. A
> Cable drive system was used and modified to make this.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGf-uM4F5a0  Ligno systems .
>
> Check them out.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Drive motor on my Revo

[Ray Leaman]

Yes

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 12:22 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Yes.
>
> Mac
> --
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> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Apr 14, 2023 8:31 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Subject: Re: Drive motor on my Revo
>
>
> Hello and Good morning everyone.  Just a question on this posting.  Is
> everyone receiving these postings?
> After talking (private e-mail) It was suggested that perhaps many of the
> others in the group were not seeing everything.
>
> So I decided to use Tim's Revo motor posting to double check the settings.
>
> Could everyone, Please reply if you do.   a simple YES would do.
>
> Thank you.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 3:06:58 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well after waiting and putting things off, I finally put the drive motor
>> and
>> controls on to my Revo. Though I will be changing somethings at least now
>> i have it so I can use it with a drive.
>> Not wild about chain drive but it works until I come up with something
>> else.
>> I still need mounting plates for the micro switches but sure opens up a
>> lot
>> of possibilities with a drive. I now have 4 of my machines with drives.
>> and 2 manual machines.
>> Comments or questions???
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
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Re: Drive motor on my Revo

[Ray Leaman]

Yes

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 8:31 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello and Good morning everyone.  Just a question on this posting.  Is
> everyone receiving these postings?
> After talking (private e-mail) It was suggested that perhaps many of the
> others in the group were not seeing everything.
>
> So I decided to use Tim's Revo motor posting to double check the settings.
>
> Could everyone, Please reply if you do.   a simple YES would do.
>
> Thank you.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 3:06:58 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well after waiting and putting things off, I finally put the drive motor
>> and
>> controls on to my Revo. Though I will be changing somethings at least now
>> i have it so I can use it with a drive.
>> Not wild about chain drive but it works until I come up with something
>> else.
>> I still need mounting plates for the micro switches but sure opens up a
>> lot
>> of possibilities with a drive. I now have 4 of my machines with drives.
>> and 2 manual machines.
>> Comments or questions???
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> 
>> Foreston MN 56330
>> 
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
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Re: dyna

[Ray Leaman]

Upon further look their price appears to be $19.95 a 14 oz. can

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 12:02 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:

> Found this online.  Thought it might be helpful to those not as familiar
> with Dynaglide as the more experienced users in the group.
>
> Did not see a price, but found the info. informative.
>
> Go to:  https://soundsynergies.net/dynaglide-plus-tool-surface-lubricant/
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 12:29 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
>> Those prices are a bit steep! I buy mine at the local store for $20.00
>> and see it all the time for $16-$18.00
>>
>> But you never know, perhaps it the price of inflation? (THE SIGN OF THE
>> TIMES.)
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 04:56:46 PM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au <
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Some of you guys might be interested in this back in stock
>>
>>
>> https://woodworker.com/dynaglide-plus-lube-spray-cleaner-14-oz-mssu-171-203.asp?mc=171-203_source=Woodworker%27s+Supply+Mailing+List_campaign=72a66b993f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_03_28_07_47_medium=email_term=0_8f23709dbb-72a66b993f-23295525=t(mct=freudmontereyshelftuesday-3-29-22)_cid=72a66b993f_eid=11392ad067
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
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Re: dyna

[Ray Leaman]

Found this online.  Thought it might be helpful to those not as familiar
with Dynaglide as the more experienced users in the group.

Did not see a price, but found the info. informative.

Go to:  https://soundsynergies.net/dynaglide-plus-tool-surface-lubricant/


On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 12:29 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Those prices are a bit steep! I buy mine at the local store for $20.00 and
> see it all the time for $16-$18.00
>
> But you never know, perhaps it the price of inflation? (THE SIGN OF THE
> TIMES.)
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 04:56:46 PM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Some of you guys might be interested in this back in stock
>
>
> https://woodworker.com/dynaglide-plus-lube-spray-cleaner-14-oz-mssu-171-203.asp?mc=171-203_source=Woodworker%27s+Supply+Mailing+List_campaign=72a66b993f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_03_28_07_47_medium=email_term=0_8f23709dbb-72a66b993f-23295525=t(mct=freudmontereyshelftuesday-3-29-22)_cid=72a66b993f_eid=11392ad067
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>
>
> Bill
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Re: smile

[Ray Leaman]

I debated responding to this baloney. But being silence only condones what
your thinking is doing to our country. Too bad for I was thinking more of
you guys and this site.  I'm with Harvey.  Disappointing.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 7:54 PM Harvey Matyas  wrote:

> I thought that this group was suppose to be none political.
> It's surprising how people can stay something like screwing everything
> else up
> when everyone was silent when the country went through the worse economy
> since the great recession, had the capital under attack and did not say
> anything.
> Don't worry about responding, I am taking myself off of this group.
> I enjoyed it but it is time to move on.
>
> Thanks to everyone from this group.  I did learn a lot of different things.
> Have a good life and have fun making things.
>
> Harvey
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 26, 2021, 06:37:49 PM CDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> yea knowing him for sure.
> He sure screwing everything else up.
> Sorry did I say that out loud.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>
> Maybe I should have added in bidens world he is bound to legalise drugs
> and outlaw wood soon lol
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 April 2021 8:05 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: smile
>
>
>
> Good one Bill. We need a laugh
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 4:54 PM  wrote:
>
> If the price of lumber keeps going up?
>
>
>
> Smile guys
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Re: Anzac day

[Ray Leaman]

When my wife and I were last in Melbourne visiting our daughter in 2018 we
visited the Anzac memorial there.  We were able to watch the ceremony for
Australia's fallen soldiers (I think it may have been a centennial event
going back to WWI?). They passed out poppies (flowers) to all who attended.
It was quite an impressive and solemn remembrance.  As an American it was
an honor to attend such a ceremony for one of our strongest allies in their
own homeland. We have not forgotten.

Ray

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 3:58 PM  wrote:

> It is our Anzac day here today it is 5.55 AM here now dawn is just
> breaking and I am attending our dawn service even thou it is banned here in
> my state
>
> Lest we forget
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: The Mother Load Update

[Ray Leaman]

I'll take the motor and limit switches if and when you make them available.

Ray Leaman
North Carolina

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 10:22 PM  wrote:

> Tracy,
>
>
>
> I’m interested in the motor and limit switches, .25x gear set, horizontal
> vice, thin stock support, circle cutting center, and rotary table and
> shaft. I think that comes to $795? Figure up the cost of shipping to
> Baltimore MD 21227 and we can work out payment.
>
>
>
> Bill Henry
>
> Baltimore
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 11, 2021 8:40 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* The Mother Load Update
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Sorry for my late update. A couple weeks ago, the guy that has been really
> interested in owning a LOM for some time was able to meet with me and pick
> what he wanted. He came over with his dad on a Saturday morning. We spent
> nearly 4 hours together. We went over all the features of each machine:
> Model 1500, Model 2000 and the Model 1200 with the Performance CNC Upgrade.
> We made a simple 12" three start rope twist on each.
>
>
>
> After all that, he decided on the Model 2000. However, he really wanted
> the Z-axis upgrade that was on the 1500. So we moved the Z-axis upgrade
> onto the Model 2000 and he bought nearly every accessory that I had and
> several bits.
>
>
>
> I've attached a picture of the machine all loaded up and headed to its new
> home.  He drove over 3.5 hours one way so it was a very long day for him
> and his dad.
>
>
>
> I've shared with him this group as well as many of the other online
> resources available. Hopefully we'll see him join this group soon when he
> starts playing with it. His name is Chad.
>
>
>
> So that means I still have the Model 1200 with the CNC upgrade and the
> model 1500.
>
> Regarding accessories, I have the following:
>
> - Rotary Table
>
> - Rotary Table Shaft
>
> - Horizontal Vise
>
> - Thin stock support
>
> - Circle Cutting Center
>
> - .25 Reduction Gear set
>
> - 2X Duplex Gear set
>
> - Porter Cable 3 1/4 HP plunge router
>
> - Eliminator Chuck
>
> - Right Hand directional assembly
>
>
>
> With the discussion from this group over the last few months, I wonder if
> it would make sense to part out the 1500? I know I acquired so many LOMs
> because of my concern for parts. I would really like to see the rotary
> table and shaft go with the CNC as I always had plans to create some cool
> stuff with that. I have someone interested in the CNC so I'll wait to see
> what happens there before offering the rotary table and shaft.
>
>
>
> With that said, if I parted out the 1500, the following parts would be
> available:
>
> - Motor and limit switches
>
> - Full driver gear set
>
> - The rails and parts from the frame of the machine (rails, locking
> collars, double locking collar, tons of fasteners unique to the LOM, etc.)
>
> - The accessories mentioned above
>
>
>
> If anyone has serious interest in any of the parts above, please reach out
> to me. Regarding pricing, this is how I would price each part:
>
> - Motor and limit switches: $400
>
> - .25X gear set: $100
>
> - 2X gear set: $100
>
> - Full set of drive gears: $85
>
> - Horizontal Vise: $50
>
> - Thin Stock Support: $25
>
> - Circle Cutting Center: $20
>
> - Eliminator Chuck: $40
>
> - Rotary Table and Shaft: $200
>
> - Right Hand directional assembly: $35
>
> - Router: $150
>
> - Rails, Frame, and other parts: $TBD but I will be very reasonable
>
>
>
> Shipping would be additional cost. I don't mind the extra work for
> shipping so I will only pass on the shipping cost.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
>
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Re: for beginners

[Ray Leaman]

Chrome for me too.

Ray

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 3:04 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Yes Tim we use chrome and have had No issues getting to it.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:48 PM  wrote:
>
>> At this moment, it appears to be a browser issue. I can’t get to the site
>> using firefox. There is no problem when using chrome.  Can anyone verify
>> this?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
>> wm.o.he...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 6:12 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: for beginners
>>
>>
>>
>> Issue may not be with the website itself; but with the server on which it
>> is hosted. You go through  the server security to get to the web site. Not
>> something we can fix. How long has this been happening? They may get around
>> to doing the security updates in a few days. Web site manager may want to
>> contact server operator to alert them to the situation.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:05 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: for beginners
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Thanks - comforting to know that I am not "alone" with the challenge.
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Feb 19, 2021 4:12 AM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: for beginners
>>
>> I use Bitdefender security software on my computer and I am having the
>> same issue accessing the website for the same reason. The security
>> certificate for the site is outdated and needs to be updated by the host
>> for secure access to the site. I can only access the site if I override my
>> security software; generally not a good idea.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Henry
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 1:30 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: for beginners
>>
>>
>>
>> I went into my Browser (Firefox) mothership's site and looked the "error
>> message" up.
>>
>> Here is what they have published for the issue I was having:
>>
>> Appears to me that the "owner" of the website needs to do some
>> "housekeeping".
>>
>> When they do, I should be able to log intotha site with no problaems.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> Website issuesTLS version unsupported
>>
>> Some websites try using outdated (no longer secure) Transport Layer
>> Security <http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security> (*TLS*)
>> mechanisms in an attempt to secure your connection. Firefox protects you by
>> preventing navigation to such sites if there is a problem in securely
>> establishing a connection. Contact the owners of the website and ask them
>> to update their TLS version to a version that is still current and still
>> secure.
>>
>> *Starting in Firefox version
>> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-are-using>
>> 78, the minimum TLS version allowed by default is TLS 1.2.* Websites
>> that don't support TLS version 1.2 or higher will display a *Secure
>> Connection Failed* error page with Error code:
>> SSL_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_VERSION and a message that *This website might not
>> support the TLS 1.2 protocol, which is the minimum version supported by
>> Firefox.*
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>> Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:55 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: for beginners
>>
>>
>> Very funny guys very funny lol
>>
>> Seriously mac it could be your email provider I cant ever email you off
>> the group it just will never work its been like that for many months now
>> you have miss

Re: for beginners

[Ray Leaman]

If you all are talking about Art Ransom's archived site I have been getting
into it throughout this discussion and rummaging around without any
problems.  I have the site bookmarked at :

 ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html

I'm running Windows 10  Home.

Ray

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:48 PM  wrote:

> At this moment, it appears to be a browser issue. I can’t get to the site
> using firefox. There is no problem when using chrome.  Can anyone verify
> this?
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> wm.o.he...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 6:12 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: for beginners
>
>
>
> Issue may not be with the website itself; but with the server on which it
> is hosted. You go through  the server security to get to the web site. Not
> something we can fix. How long has this been happening? They may get around
> to doing the security updates in a few days. Web site manager may want to
> contact server operator to alert them to the situation.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:05 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: for beginners
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Thanks - comforting to know that I am not "alone" with the challenge.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com
> Sent: Feb 19, 2021 4:12 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: for beginners
>
> I use Bitdefender security software on my computer and I am having the
> same issue accessing the website for the same reason. The security
> certificate for the site is outdated and needs to be updated by the host
> for secure access to the site. I can only access the site if I override my
> security software; generally not a good idea.
>
>
>
> Bill Henry
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 1:30 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: for beginners
>
>
>
> I went into my Browser (Firefox) mothership's site and looked the "error
> message" up.
>
> Here is what they have published for the issue I was having:
>
> Appears to me that the "owner" of the website needs to do some
> "housekeeping".
>
> When they do, I should be able to log intotha site with no problaems.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mac
> --
> Website issuesTLS version unsupported
>
> Some websites try using outdated (no longer secure) Transport Layer
> Security <http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security> (*TLS*)
> mechanisms in an attempt to secure your connection. Firefox protects you by
> preventing navigation to such sites if there is a problem in securely
> establishing a connection. Contact the owners of the website and ask them
> to update their TLS version to a version that is still current and still
> secure.
>
> *Starting in Firefox version
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-are-using>
> 78, the minimum TLS version allowed by default is TLS 1.2.* Websites that
> don't support TLS version 1.2 or higher will display a *Secure Connection
> Failed* error page with Error code: SSL_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_VERSION and a
> message that *This website might not support the TLS 1.2 protocol, which
> is the minimum version supported by Firefox.*
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:55 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: for beginners
>
>
> Very funny guys very funny lol
>
> Seriously mac it could be your email provider I cant ever email you off
> the group it just will never work its been like that for many months now
> you have missed out on so much stuff.
>
> Every body else works just not to you
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 19 February 2021 2:28 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: for beginners
>
>
>
> yea lol for sure at best sand flea's or fire ants right.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J.

Re: Fish

[Ray Leaman]

Is that a yellow perch?


Ray

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Re: adding a spindle motor to the legacy

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Tim.  With your apparent knowledge and machine(s) set up I'm sure
you could do some great videos.  I do understand though that doing a video
is not the same thing as running a LOM.

Ray

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:07 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> I've done a couple videos on misc. but not something I've downloaded or
> anything like Bill or Curt does.
> I'll have to see some time if my Son could show me or just do it.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 12:54 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Thanks again Tim.  It would be interesting to see some pics of your
>> machine(s) set ups.  Do you do any videos?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:34 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh and one more thing Ray,
>>>
>>> I have my WC main drive motor on my LOM using a chain drive.
>>> I may change that so as to eliminate any back lash I may be
>>> encountering currently.
>>> But for right now, I'm leaving it. Originally the 1500 was to use it to
>>> mod my 1200 but
>>> now I got idea's for both.  and looking for more machines lol.
>>> Have a great night.
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:48 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am intrigued by your set up Bill.  While I'm not sure exactly what
>>>> can be done with the two motor set up, on the surface the variable speeds
>>>> you can achieve are almost endless within the sphere of what an LOM can do
>>>> in my opinion. In going over and over your video I can see the benefit of a
>>>> swing away set up for engaging and changing the various gears.  What I
>>>> could not see was how the spindle motor linkage was connected. Do you use
>>>> the same cog wheel for engaging all the legacy gears?   Do you have a video
>>>> on how you did all that in a little more detail?
>>>>
>>>> Also where did you source your motors?  Did they come off another
>>>> machine (Wood Chuck) or did you acquiree them from a commercial source?
>>>>
>>>>  So many questions I know but as you can, maybe you can add a few
>>>> further details.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, in reading some of the responses to your post it seems like
>>>> your set up may greatly facilitate template/copying work?  Have you done
>>>> any of that?  If so, how did it go process wise.  Curt and Tim Z it sounds
>>>> like you guys may have done or at least are aware of how that might work so
>>>> perhaps you could jump in with sharing your experiences ??
>>>>
>>>> Nice Work Bill!!  Thanks for your videos.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 3:32 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well todays job was finishing off the spindle motor on my hybrid legacy
>>>>>
>>>>> Gave it its maiden run worked great, so many speeds can be had from
>>>>> really really slow to quite fast by changing gears from the .25 to the
>>>>> standard to the 2x and all using the variable speed motor which fits them
>>>>> all. That’s the best thing about a swing motor as long as the gears mesh 
>>>>> it
>>>>> works even when the bed is fully up or fully down and everywhere 
>>>>> in-between.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/n80P9cLYkFs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: adding a spindle motor to the legacy

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks again Tim.  It would be interesting to see some pics of your
machine(s) set ups.  Do you do any videos?

Ray

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:34 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Oh and one more thing Ray,
>
> I have my WC main drive motor on my LOM using a chain drive.
> I may change that so as to eliminate any back lash I may be
> encountering currently.
> But for right now, I'm leaving it. Originally the 1500 was to use it to
> mod my 1200 but
> now I got idea's for both.  and looking for more machines lol.
> Have a great night.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:48 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> I am intrigued by your set up Bill.  While I'm not sure exactly what can
>> be done with the two motor set up, on the surface the variable speeds you
>> can achieve are almost endless within the sphere of what an LOM can do in
>> my opinion. In going over and over your video I can see the benefit of a
>> swing away set up for engaging and changing the various gears.  What I
>> could not see was how the spindle motor linkage was connected. Do you use
>> the same cog wheel for engaging all the legacy gears?   Do you have a video
>> on how you did all that in a little more detail?
>>
>> Also where did you source your motors?  Did they come off another
>> machine (Wood Chuck) or did you acquiree them from a commercial source?
>>
>>  So many questions I know but as you can, maybe you can add a few further
>> details.
>>
>> Finally, in reading some of the responses to your post it seems like your
>> set up may greatly facilitate template/copying work?  Have you done any of
>> that?  If so, how did it go process wise.  Curt and Tim Z it sounds like
>> you guys may have done or at least are aware of how that might work so
>> perhaps you could jump in with sharing your experiences ??
>>
>> Nice Work Bill!!  Thanks for your videos.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 3:32 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Well todays job was finishing off the spindle motor on my hybrid legacy
>>>
>>> Gave it its maiden run worked great, so many speeds can be had from
>>> really really slow to quite fast by changing gears from the .25 to the
>>> standard to the 2x and all using the variable speed motor which fits them
>>> all. That’s the best thing about a swing motor as long as the gears mesh it
>>> works even when the bed is fully up or fully down and everywhere in-between.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/n80P9cLYkFs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
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Re: adding a spindle motor to the legacy

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Tim.  Good to know these ideas work on the 1200 LOM.  Very helpful
to my understnding some things.

Ray

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:27 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Hey Ray,
>
> just a short one as it's getting a bit late and I just got in.
> But yes I have a WoodChuck with the dual motor drive. You can run either
> together or individually.
> So basically it would run like our typical LOM's and if I chose to run
> just the headstock spindle with the independent motor.
> so Curt and I were talking about me taking my WC head stock motor and
> putting it on my 1200 LOM. to run the head stock.
> It's basically the same as Bill's set up.
> I also just recently picked up another LOM 1500 and have it all together.
> little older machine and has the
> adjustable slides but does have the direct drive motor on the acme thread
> shaft.
> A person could really come up with some cool ideas. run the rotary table
> and still have full access and control of the gear drive etc...
> Hope that was some of what you were looking for.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:48 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> I am intrigued by your set up Bill.  While I'm not sure exactly what can
>> be done with the two motor set up, on the surface the variable speeds you
>> can achieve are almost endless within the sphere of what an LOM can do in
>> my opinion. In going over and over your video I can see the benefit of a
>> swing away set up for engaging and changing the various gears.  What I
>> could not see was how the spindle motor linkage was connected. Do you use
>> the same cog wheel for engaging all the legacy gears?   Do you have a video
>> on how you did all that in a little more detail?
>>
>> Also where did you source your motors?  Did they come off another
>> machine (Wood Chuck) or did you acquiree them from a commercial source?
>>
>>  So many questions I know but as you can, maybe you can add a few further
>> details.
>>
>> Finally, in reading some of the responses to your post it seems like your
>> set up may greatly facilitate template/copying work?  Have you done any of
>> that?  If so, how did it go process wise.  Curt and Tim Z it sounds like
>> you guys may have done or at least are aware of how that might work so
>> perhaps you could jump in with sharing your experiences ??
>>
>> Nice Work Bill!!  Thanks for your videos.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 3:32 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Well todays job was finishing off the spindle motor on my hybrid legacy
>>>
>>> Gave it its maiden run worked great, so many speeds can be had from
>>> really really slow to quite fast by changing gears from the .25 to the
>>> standard to the 2x and all using the variable speed motor which fits them
>>> all. That’s the best thing about a swing motor as long as the gears mesh it
>>> works even when the bed is fully up or fully down and everywhere in-between.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/n80P9cLYkFs
>>>
>>>
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Re: adding a spindle motor to the legacy

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Bill.  Yes you covered my questions very well. I've been
watching your past videos and look forward to seeing what you do in the
future.  Very interesting stuff.

Ray

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 10:38 PM  wrote:

> The spindle motor is helpful when template milling and also for achieving
> very good finishes when spindle turning with either the planeing bit or
> corbox bits when turning shapes on a spindle also turning the spindle
> faster can be helpful removing lots of material quicker.
>
>
>
> The spindle linkage if I understand you correctly is the original that
> comes with the mill I removed the duplex gear for filming normally you
> would just disengage it from the index gear when using the spindle motor,
> the 3 different gears I used are legacys index gears the .25 the standard
> and the 2X . The gear on the motor does not get changed. Sorry the video
> you see is all I did on this, making the parts was metal work so I did not
> video that part.
>
>
>
> The 2 motors you see in the video were purchased from legacy owners who no
> longer needed them other motors I have  were bought off ebay they are on
> there from time to time I just put in a search and wait till I get a
> notification of one for sale. I am still looking for appropriate limit
> switches not that I really need them a good operator can stop the mill in
> the right spot without them it’s just easier with them.
>
>
>
> I have done some template work for me this is done by using the spindle
> motor to rotate the spindle while using a slow feed with the feed motor
> moving the saddle along while I follow the template with the styles with
> the cross slide disengaged so it moves easily by hand. Much easier than
> winding 2 handles and working the cross slide all at once lol. I will do a
> template video one day its on my list of things to video but it is a long
> list, my next project hopefully is an eccentric attachment for the rotary
> table when or if I invent that I will do more rosettes hopefully similar to
> very basic spirograph patterns but its all in my brain right now.
>
> Ok I think I answered all your questions if not just ask again questions
> no matter how big, small or simple is how we all learn about the legacy mill
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 February 2021 10:48 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: adding a spindle motor to the legacy
>
>
>
> I am intrigued by your set up Bill.  While I'm not sure exactly what can
> be done with the two motor set up, on the surface the variable speeds you
> can achieve are almost endless within the sphere of what an LOM can do in
> my opinion. In going over and over your video I can see the benefit of a
> swing away set up for engaging and changing the various gears.  What I
> could not see was how the spindle motor linkage was connected. Do you use
> the same cog wheel for engaging all the legacy gears?   Do you have a video
> on how you did all that in a little more detail?
>
>
>
> Also where did you source your motors?  Did they come off another
> machine (Wood Chuck) or did you acquiree them from a commercial source?
>
>
>
>  So many questions I know but as you can, maybe you can add a few further
> details.
>
>
>
> Finally, in reading some of the responses to your post it seems like your
> set up may greatly facilitate template/copying work?  Have you done any of
> that?  If so, how did it go process wise.  Curt and Tim Z it sounds like
> you guys may have done or at least are aware of how that might work so
> perhaps you could jump in with sharing your experiences ??
>
>
>
> Nice Work Bill!!  Thanks for your videos.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 3:32 AM  wrote:
>
> Well todays job was finishing off the spindle motor on my hybrid legacy
>
> Gave it its maiden run worked great, so many speeds can be had from really
> really slow to quite fast by changing gears from the .25 to the standard to
> the 2x and all using the variable speed motor which fits them all. That’s
> the best thing about a swing motor as long as the gears mesh it works even
> when the bed is fully up or fully down and everywhere in-between.
>
> https://youtu.be/n80P9cLYkFs
>
>
>
> Bill
>
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Re: adding a spindle motor to the legacy

[Ray Leaman]

I am intrigued by your set up Bill.  While I'm not sure exactly what can be
done with the two motor set up, on the surface the variable speeds you can
achieve are almost endless within the sphere of what an LOM can do in my
opinion. In going over and over your video I can see the benefit of a swing
away set up for engaging and changing the various gears.  What I could not
see was how the spindle motor linkage was connected. Do you use the same
cog wheel for engaging all the legacy gears?   Do you have a video on how
you did all that in a little more detail?

Also where did you source your motors?  Did they come off another
machine (Wood Chuck) or did you acquiree them from a commercial source?

 So many questions I know but as you can, maybe you can add a few further
details.

Finally, in reading some of the responses to your post it seems like your
set up may greatly facilitate template/copying work?  Have you done any of
that?  If so, how did it go process wise.  Curt and Tim Z it sounds like
you guys may have done or at least are aware of how that might work so
perhaps you could jump in with sharing your experiences ??

Nice Work Bill!!  Thanks for your videos.


On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 3:32 AM  wrote:

> Well todays job was finishing off the spindle motor on my hybrid legacy
>
> Gave it its maiden run worked great, so many speeds can be had from really
> really slow to quite fast by changing gears from the .25 to the standard to
> the 2x and all using the variable speed motor which fits them all. That’s
> the best thing about a swing motor as long as the gears mesh it works even
> when the bed is fully up or fully down and everywhere in-between.
>
> https://youtu.be/n80P9cLYkFs
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
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Re: Dadoing Cabinet sides w/LOM 1200

[Ray Leaman]

OUCH! $91?

Ray

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 10:46 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:

> Thanks again Tim.
>
> Ray
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 10:44 PM Tim Ziegler 
> wrote:
>
>>  Rockler sells them. Its the Extreme
>> https://www.rockler.com/router-xtreme-xtension
>> little pricy but
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 9:31 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Tim.  Simple is usually the best (L brackets).
>>> Where does one find the collet extension?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 9:38 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Ray I have attached the pix you'd asked about.
>>>> Just having the cabinets mounted to the legacy is actually enough to
>>>> damping the vibrations.
>>>> I remounted the same as the former owner had done it except I put a
>>>> middle section in that sits
>>>> toward the bottom for better storage.
>>>> So pictured is the Router collet extension several guys have and the
>>>> mounting bracket used. Just L brackets.
>>>> I hope that was somewhat useful.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:17 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looks like a success Tim.  I look forward to seeing your video.
>>>>> I'm thinking you could use a similar set up for flattening slabs and
>>>>> also doing dovetails with the proper bits.
>>>>> A couple of questions:
>>>>>  1. Do you have a picture of the "extension for collets that most
>>>>> of use"?, and
>>>>>  2. How have you mounted the undercarriage cabinets so they add
>>>>> weight to the LOM frame to tame vibration?  Looks like they sit on
>>>>> casters on the floor in your pics.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 4:36 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>>>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice job Tim
>>>>>> Keep up the good work, cant wait to see what else you come up with on
>>>>>> this... ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C.A.G.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 11:51:20 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>>>>>> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If some of you recall a few months back I'd talked about doing dado's
>>>>>> on my LOM 1200
>>>>>> Well this last 2 weeks I had  been perfecting my process so I could
>>>>>> move out of my shop my original Safety Speed Cut over head router dadoing
>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>> I have achieved that and have given my LOM the best seat in the
>>>>>> house.
>>>>>> I have attached a pic or two of how I did it. Still a work in
>>>>>> progress but I am very excited about it. I also put the original cabinets
>>>>>> that Norm the former owner had  originally put under it. This offers a 
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of weight to the legacy and reduces much of the vibration caused by our
>>>>>> Routers and the extensions for the collet that most of us use.
>>>>>> I did a short video of using it but may have to somehow down
>>>>>> load that a bit differently.
>>>>>> Let me know what you guys think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
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Re: Dadoing Cabinet sides w/LOM 1200

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks again Tim.

Ray

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 10:44 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

>  Rockler sells them. Its the Extreme
> https://www.rockler.com/router-xtreme-xtension
> little pricy but
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 9:31 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tim.  Simple is usually the best (L brackets).
>> Where does one find the collet extension?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 9:38 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ray I have attached the pix you'd asked about.
>>> Just having the cabinets mounted to the legacy is actually enough to
>>> damping the vibrations.
>>> I remounted the same as the former owner had done it except I put a
>>> middle section in that sits
>>> toward the bottom for better storage.
>>> So pictured is the Router collet extension several guys have and the
>>> mounting bracket used. Just L brackets.
>>> I hope that was somewhat useful.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:17 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like a success Tim.  I look forward to seeing your video.
>>>> I'm thinking you could use a similar set up for flattening slabs and
>>>> also doing dovetails with the proper bits.
>>>> A couple of questions:
>>>>  1. Do you have a picture of the "extension for collets that most
>>>> of use"?, and
>>>>  2. How have you mounted the undercarriage cabinets so they add
>>>> weight to the LOM frame to tame vibration?  Looks like they sit on
>>>> casters on the floor in your pics.
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 4:36 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice job Tim
>>>>> Keep up the good work, cant wait to see what else you come up with on
>>>>> this... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> C.A.G.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 11:51:20 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>>>>> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If some of you recall a few months back I'd talked about doing dado's
>>>>> on my LOM 1200
>>>>> Well this last 2 weeks I had  been perfecting my process so I could
>>>>> move out of my shop my original Safety Speed Cut over head router dadoing
>>>>> machine.
>>>>> I have achieved that and have given my LOM the best seat in the house.
>>>>> I have attached a pic or two of how I did it. Still a work in progress
>>>>> but I am very excited about it. I also put the original cabinets that Norm
>>>>> the former owner had  originally put under it. This offers a lot of weight
>>>>> to the legacy and reduces much of the vibration caused by our Routers and
>>>>> the extensions for the collet that most of us use.
>>>>> I did a short video of using it but may have to somehow down load that
>>>>> a bit differently.
>>>>> Let me know what you guys think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
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Re: Dadoing Cabinet sides w/LOM 1200

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Tim.  Simple is usually the best (L brackets).
Where does one find the collet extension?

Ray

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 9:38 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Hey Ray I have attached the pix you'd asked about.
> Just having the cabinets mounted to the legacy is actually enough to
> damping the vibrations.
> I remounted the same as the former owner had done it except I put a middle
> section in that sits
> toward the bottom for better storage.
> So pictured is the Router collet extension several guys have and the
> mounting bracket used. Just L brackets.
> I hope that was somewhat useful.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:17 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Looks like a success Tim.  I look forward to seeing your video.
>> I'm thinking you could use a similar set up for flattening slabs and also
>> doing dovetails with the proper bits.
>> A couple of questions:
>>  1. Do you have a picture of the "extension for collets that most of
>> use"?, and
>>  2. How have you mounted the undercarriage cabinets so they add
>> weight to the LOM frame to tame vibration?  Looks like they sit on
>> casters on the floor in your pics.
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 4:36 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice job Tim
>>> Keep up the good work, cant wait to see what else you come up with on
>>> this... ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 11:51:20 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>>> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> If some of you recall a few months back I'd talked about doing dado's on
>>> my LOM 1200
>>> Well this last 2 weeks I had  been perfecting my process so I could move
>>> out of my shop my original Safety Speed Cut over head router dadoing
>>> machine.
>>> I have achieved that and have given my LOM the best seat in the house.
>>> I have attached a pic or two of how I did it. Still a work in progress
>>> but I am very excited about it. I also put the original cabinets that Norm
>>> the former owner had  originally put under it. This offers a lot of weight
>>> to the legacy and reduces much of the vibration caused by our Routers and
>>> the extensions for the collet that most of us use.
>>> I did a short video of using it but may have to somehow down load that a
>>> bit differently.
>>> Let me know what you guys think.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
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Re: Dadoing Cabinet sides w/LOM 1200

[Ray Leaman]

Looks like a success Tim.  I look forward to seeing your video.
I'm thinking you could use a similar set up for flattening slabs and also
doing dovetails with the proper bits.
A couple of questions:
 1. Do you have a picture of the "extension for collets that most of
use"?, and
 2. How have you mounted the undercarriage cabinets so they add weight
to the LOM frame to tame vibration?  Looks like they sit on  casters on
the floor in your pics.
Thanks

Ray

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 4:36 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Nice job Tim
> Keep up the good work, cant wait to see what else you come up with on
> this... ;-)
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 11:51:20 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> If some of you recall a few months back I'd talked about doing dado's on
> my LOM 1200
> Well this last 2 weeks I had  been perfecting my process so I could move
> out of my shop my original Safety Speed Cut over head router dadoing
> machine.
> I have achieved that and have given my LOM the best seat in the house.
> I have attached a pic or two of how I did it. Still a work in progress but
> I am very excited about it. I also put the original cabinets that Norm the
> former owner had  originally put under it. This offers a lot of weight to
> the legacy and reduces much of the vibration caused by our Routers and the
> extensions for the collet that most of us use.
> I did a short video of using it but may have to somehow down load that a
> bit differently.
> Let me know what you guys think.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
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Re: Archives???

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Curt.  Much appreciated.

Merry Christmas.  Be safe.

RFay

On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 12:13 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> One last note. Just for fun.
> I tried some old topic.  Wood rat. brought a few very old commentary for
> 2005. Art (the original owner of the group.)  Mike Pung, my self. RussV.
> and a few others.   were talking about Templates and Z axis control, and
> some possible ideas of how to...?
>
> Ray the archives are a treasure trove of information .  I thank you for
> helping me figure out how to access them again.
> Have  a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Thursday, December 24, 2020, 12:02:03 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
> OK this was not as hard to figure out as I thought. If you go to the web
> site, As the top of the page you will see a blank for conversations. If you
> click on the triangle it will say all groups or conversations. once on
> conversations, you can put a word, like Z axis or linear rail. then all
> topics form the past dealing with these words come up on the screen.
>
> Good luck searching... and if you come up with something, Please let us
> know. Sometimes old topics hash up a lot of new ideas. ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 11:55:33 PM EST, Curt George <
> curt.geo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Ray. this link is from one of the original archive. (click on the
> pix. and the topics will show them self's.)
> https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html
>
> Sadly with Google's new format, searching the group archives are not as
> easy as it once was. I will have to get back with you on this.
> As I said the new format dose not handle in the same ways that old format
> did. and at this time I can only access 30 days of topics.
> I will do some homework on this for you. As I said before, the new format
> (its only a month old now.) I do not  know IF the old topics were lost or
> not?
> I will get back with you on this.
> Have a good night.
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 09:11:20 PM EST, Ray Leaman <
> view...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Is there an "Archives" section to this group's website?  If so, how do I
> find it.
>
> I'm interested in researching all things LOM particularly where members
> have discussed their unique upgrades to their machines (as OEM parts are
> hard to find without buying an entire used machine if you can find one) and
> there may be workarounds that someone here has already implemented.
> Right now I am particularly interested in adding step
> motors/controllers/limit switches, etc., to my 1200 and where to find these
> items in today's marketplace. I'm looking but it is slow going.
>
> Also am interested in seeing pics; vids; demos of all manner of projects;
> set up steps; and actual operation of machines in actually making
> projects.  I'm not so much in need of Legacy's older stuff as I am in what
> folks here have actually done themselves.
>
> If there is some kind of central repository of this type of information it
> would be useful in expanding my own knowledge (much like going to a library
> but better) on using my machine (Model 1200). Also would make for more
> useful (i.e., clearer and more specifically focused) posing of questions to
> the group without a long email line on topics that may have already been
> covered.
>
> Anyway...thought I would ask.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ray
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Re: MERRY CRISTMAS

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Bill. We will be doing our Christmas tradition of an Omelet
breakfast with our daughter who  lives in Melbourne, Aus. via Zoom this
year  Christmas eve here...Christmas morning there.

Keep yourself and yours safe and healthy.

On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 2:30 PM  wrote:

> Well its Christmas morning here down under so merry Christmas to all you
> guys and girls in legacy land
>
> From Australia
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
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Archives???

[Ray Leaman]

Is there an "Archives" section to this group's website?  If so, how do I
find it.

I'm interested in researching all things LOM particularly where members
have discussed their unique upgrades to their machines (as OEM parts are
hard to find without buying an entire used machine if you can find one) and
there may be workarounds that someone here has already implemented.
Right now I am particularly interested in adding step
motors/controllers/limit switches, etc., to my 1200 and where to find these
items in today's marketplace. I'm looking but it is slow going.

Also am interested in seeing pics; vids; demos of all manner of projects;
set up steps; and actual operation of machines in actually making
projects.  I'm not so much in need of Legacy's older stuff as I am in what
folks here have actually done themselves.

If there is some kind of central repository of this type of information it
would be useful in expanding my own knowledge (much like going to a library
but better) on using my machine (Model 1200). Also would make for more
useful (i.e., clearer and more specifically focused) posing of questions to
the group without a long email line on topics that may have already been
covered.

Anyway...thought I would ask.

Thanks

Ray

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Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Ray Leaman]

Those are some great turnings Tracy.  In the pic with the 3 stacks of
spindles, is there a name for the patterns of the top 1 & 2 of the middle
stack; and the 3rd and 4th from the top in the stack on the right?  Those
are really interesting.  They also look complicated.

Also, in an earlier post you mentioned that the previous owner of your 1200
with the CNC Upgrade had gotten Legacy to rewire the unit with CAT 5
replacing the original wiring.  Any idea how hard that would be to do or
have done today?  Probably need a PhD in Electrical Engineering I'm
guessing.

Thanks for the pics.

Ray

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:05 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> Here are some links to the posts I made a couple years ago:
>  -
> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/cn324UH5FF0/m/HWRLDoShBwAJ
>  -
> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/m9RAH_NZdus/m/qq8oFMJ3BQAJ
>  -
> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/YQRK74hviVw/m/IgiSIeJJAgAJ
>
> I've included a couple pictures of the work I did that was specific to the
> CNC upgrade.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the additional information Tracy.  It helps a lot with
>> understanding what it would take to install then operate the CNC Upgrade.
>> Good to know it was powerful enough to handle what seems like a good test
>> on some fairly large projects.  I wish you luck with your 2000
>> machine although it doesn't seem like you will need it given your IT
>> knowledge and experience with the upgrade on your 1200 already..  I'm sure
>> you will have a lot of fun getting the CNC Upgrade resituated. and
>> operating.
>>
>> With regard to the "Archives"  for this site...I've searched but all I
>> come up with is the email stream for the site.  Is that what you are
>> talking about or is there an actual archive with topic search capability?
>>
>> Again.  Thanks for your time.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:41 PM Tracy Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ray,
>>>
>>> Sorry it has taken so long to respond.  It has been pretty crazy at work
>>> this last week.
>>>
>>> Once I got everything tuned in, I was very happy. If you search for the
>>> word "gazebo" in the group archive, you will find some of my posts and
>>> pictures I shared about 2 years ago. I made about 70% of the spindles for
>>> my project and expect to finish the rest in 2021. I made over 150 spindles
>>> that were about 1x1x12 with 20 different designs. I also made a few
>>> balusters that were about 4x4x30. I made most of the baluster using a model
>>> 1500 before I found the CNC upgraded machine. I also made 8 6x6x7' posts
>>> for my project. There was a lot of variety and I had a lot of fun.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to getting back into it next year but, honestly, a
>>> bit nervous about figuring out how to use everything again.
>>>
>>> I found the CNC upgrade to work great and have plenty of power. I
>>> actually jimmy-rigged a 12"+ extension on my machine to work on the 7 foot
>>> posts. It had no problem turning it. Even though the machine can handle
>>> larger parts, that was the largest part I tried on the machine. I found the
>>> frame of the model 1200 to be a bit shaky. The CNC upgrade is quite heavy
>>> and when the machine really starts working, I would intentionally slow it
>>> down to minimize the wobble.There was some slight drift when changing
>>> directions that was only noticeable when I was doing the smaller spindles
>>> and with a much finer design. I got around this by modifying the gcode to
>>> always work from one direction instead of going back and forth. This is
>>> where my IT background was nice. For example, by default the initial cut
>>> was made going down the part and the final cut on the return. Changing
>>> directions caused a slight shift that could be seen on the part.
>>>
>>> This last summer I got a great deal on a model 2000. My plan is to
>>> retrofit the CNC upgrade on the model 2000 but this discussion over the
>>> last few weeks makes me wonder if the motor that rotates the parts (A axis)
>>> will be strong enough if I ever put much large parts on it. I think it
>>> would be fun to try and do a cool design on a 12x12 long post. Who knows if
>>> that will happen. My primary reason for wanting to do this is because of
>>> the wobble I experienced on the 1200. The reality is the wobble isn't
>>> horrible and you could work just fine 

Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks for the additional information Tracy.  It helps a lot with
understanding what it would take to install then operate the CNC Upgrade.
Good to know it was powerful enough to handle what seems like a good test
on some fairly large projects.  I wish you luck with your 2000
machine although it doesn't seem like you will need it given your IT
knowledge and experience with the upgrade on your 1200 already..  I'm sure
you will have a lot of fun getting the CNC Upgrade resituated. and
operating.

With regard to the "Archives"  for this site...I've searched but all I come
up with is the email stream for the site.  Is that what you are talking
about or is there an actual archive with topic search capability?

Again.  Thanks for your time.

Ray



On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:41 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> Hi Ray,
>
> Sorry it has taken so long to respond.  It has been pretty crazy at work
> this last week.
>
> Once I got everything tuned in, I was very happy. If you search for the
> word "gazebo" in the group archive, you will find some of my posts and
> pictures I shared about 2 years ago. I made about 70% of the spindles for
> my project and expect to finish the rest in 2021. I made over 150 spindles
> that were about 1x1x12 with 20 different designs. I also made a few
> balusters that were about 4x4x30. I made most of the baluster using a model
> 1500 before I found the CNC upgraded machine. I also made 8 6x6x7' posts
> for my project. There was a lot of variety and I had a lot of fun.
>
> I'm looking forward to getting back into it next year but, honestly, a bit
> nervous about figuring out how to use everything again.
>
> I found the CNC upgrade to work great and have plenty of power. I actually
> jimmy-rigged a 12"+ extension on my machine to work on the 7 foot posts. It
> had no problem turning it. Even though the machine can handle larger parts,
> that was the largest part I tried on the machine. I found the frame of the
> model 1200 to be a bit shaky. The CNC upgrade is quite heavy and when the
> machine really starts working, I would intentionally slow it down to
> minimize the wobble.There was some slight drift when changing directions
> that was only noticeable when I was doing the smaller spindles and with a
> much finer design. I got around this by modifying the gcode to always work
> from one direction instead of going back and forth. This is where my IT
> background was nice. For example, by default the initial cut was made going
> down the part and the final cut on the return. Changing directions caused a
> slight shift that could be seen on the part.
>
> This last summer I got a great deal on a model 2000. My plan is to
> retrofit the CNC upgrade on the model 2000 but this discussion over the
> last few weeks makes me wonder if the motor that rotates the parts (A axis)
> will be strong enough if I ever put much large parts on it. I think it
> would be fun to try and do a cool design on a 12x12 long post. Who knows if
> that will happen. My primary reason for wanting to do this is because of
> the wobble I experienced on the 1200. The reality is the wobble isn't
> horrible and you could work just fine by slowing things down or creating a
> stronger base. I haven't done that. The model 2000 is a far more solid
> frame. Again, we'll see.
>
> Again, apologies for the long delay. Things have calmed down so other
> replies won't take so long.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 7:35 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Thanks again for the feedback.  Answered a number of questions I had.
>> Now I understand why they said the computer used should not be on line
>> (i.e, the WiFi issue).  Glad you were able to get the CNC Upgrade to still
>> operate properly using  newer versions of Mach and Windows.
>>
>> It seems overall that getting things calibrated was a bit finicky. I was
>> wondering how the run limits for the X,Y,Z, and A axis were set.  I can see
>> why it would  be useful to have a background in IT.
>>
>> Wanted to ask how you found the overall operation of the system once
>> everything was calibrated for running a project?.  What projects did you
>> run(flat/round/combo)? Were the stepper motors muscular enough for your
>> applications?  How was the speed of the operation (both run and return)?
>> Any other observations on overall operations?
>>
>> Thank you again for taking the time to respond.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:48 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> Ray,
>>>
>>> Your summary sounds pretty accurate. The key things that I remember
>>> giving me problems were:
>>>
>>>- Configuring the right IP address in the Ethernet setup
>>>

Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Tim.  I'm still interested in this topic.

Ray

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 8:03 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

>
> So to get back to everyone in regards to the Stylus Pins. My Brother is
> not interested at this time in taking this project on
> as he is working countless hours of over time and cutting wood while there
> is no snow.
> So back to square one. I do have another machinest friend but afraid he
> may be way out on his prices. So open to some other suggestions
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 9:17 AM 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> in regards to the follower pins, if you have one follower, could you just
>> add bushings to that follower pin, to increase the diameter of the pin...
>> or make one follower and add different diameter bushings to that...
>> McMasterCarr has drill bushings of varying inside and outside diameters...
>> only challenge would be to drill and tap each for a set screw... also easy
>> way to go with 16th's diameters, if the need should ever arise to make a
>> "kiss" cut on the workpiece... might make for an interesting project for
>> those who don't have a metal lathe... Joe B.
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:52:13 PM UTC-5 timjz...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Tim,
>>>
>>> Will try getting his attention when he gets off work tonight or in the
>>> am.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:45 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most of the index pins legacy sold are steel dowel pins pressed into
>>>> the aluminum holder.  They were only used if you ordered the upgraded z
>>>> axis.  There was an updated follower designed that took those pins as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Curt made a version for himself a long time ago. Maybe he has the
>>>> photos handy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2020 7:18 PM
>>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes sir. I used stylus tracing pins for 20 years on Weing Grinders both
>>>> the 931 and 934.
>>>>
>>>> We matched the stylus to the grinding wheel we used and all went in the
>>>> same hole
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>
>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:08 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Tim.  I just got back on and saw the stylus posts.  The pics
>>>> from (aussieman were great.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Couldn't get back to your post asking if we should have them priced out
>>>> in brass.  Would it hurt to price both materials (aluminum and brass)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, you probably thought of it already but in order to fit into the
>>>> hole in the stylus adjustment plate the top of each stylus must be sized to
>>>> fit that hole regardless of the diameter of the lower section. Right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:57 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok I put in a request for pricing from him stay tuned. ok
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork

Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks for responding.

Ray

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 6:24 AM  wrote:

> I have my setup running with an AVID CNC control box. I use MACH 4 ESS to
> control it. Program in Vcarve pro, and export .txt files. Great to get you
> started with the rotary. The CCAM works with that setup too.
>
> -----
> From: "Ray Leaman"
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday December 2 2020 10:03:20PM
> Subject: Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit
>
> Thanks for picking up on this post Tracy.  Your comments is
> definitely helpful.
>
> I was looking to find out what software Legacy used for the upgrade kit
> when they put it out.  Given how long ago that software came out and how
> fast software development moves I wondered if someone had found an update
> that was compatible with or run the CNC upgrade system.  I was fishing in
> other words.
>
> Since my earlier post my research turned up a little more on what I was
> seeking. Legacy used an OM5 Control Software and as
> you indicated Conversational Cam. Users needed to download an Install
> Program to a desktop (their recommendation at the time; 32 bit version)
> from www.artsoftcontrols.com.  Then you needed to download a
> Mach3exe.file from Legacy's site, and save that directly into the
> Mach3/folder. To complete the installation properly it was necessary to
> download three (3) more files: Performance OM5 RevC.set; Performance
> Screen Sets folder; and Performance CNC R
>
> Finally the software operating System for the OM5 interface was Microsoft
> Windows XP; Vista; or Windows 7.  Apparently this was also used for their
> Arty and Artisan units back when they first started coming out.
>
> I'm not sure if the software is or is not the same for the Standard and
> Performance CNC Upgrade Kits.
>
> I am not an IT guy.  Does the above sound correct given your understanding?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ray
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:14 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ray,
>>
>> What do you mean by "what code was used"?
>>
>> Legacy uses the software Conversational Cam to design the spindles and
>> that program creates the Gcode for the CNC machines. This (Conversational
>> Cam) is unique to Legacy. The Gcode is then loaded into Mach 3 (or other
>> versions) and Mach 3 is what processes the Gcode to drive the CNC. When I
>> got my CNC Performance Upgraded model 1200, I spent about 2 weeks fiddling
>> with it to get it to work. It was hours looking at very old web forums and
>> lots of careful trial and error. I'm an IT guys so for me it was a lot of
>> fun and I was very happy when I got everything working. It was definitely a
>> challenge and there was little that was straightforward about it. The
>> biggest problem was figuring out how to get modern software to be aware of
>> and talk to the "old" Legacy CNC machine. I couldn't coach someone on how
>> to repeat what I did. I would have to go through and figure it all out
>> again. I did a ton of spindle work once I got it all working but it's been
>> over 1.5 years since I did anything.  I plan to do more work next year so
>> will I will be forced to refresh myself on the process.
>>
>> I am happy to help if I can but be prepared :).
>>
>> Regarding question 2, I believe technically, you could use any software
>> that produces gcode. There is a different to doing CNC work on a flat
>> surface as compared to a round rotating surface. I would image you could
>> buy the current version of Conversational Cam from Legacy and it would
>> still create workable gcode for you. The challenge will be the tools used
>> to process the gcode and actually "talks" to your machine.
>>
>> I hope that helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:37 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>>> Do any users of the CNC Performance Upgrade Kit here know what code was
>>> used at the time the kit was sold initially?
>>>
>>> Secondly, is that kit's software updatable for compatibility with say
>>> today's CAM/CAD or other software packages?
>>>
>>> In other words can the original kit software be updated?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
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Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks again for the feedback.  Answered a number of questions I had.  Now
I understand why they said the computer used should not be on line (i.e,
the WiFi issue).  Glad you were able to get the CNC Upgrade to still
operate properly using  newer versions of Mach and Windows.

It seems overall that getting things calibrated was a bit finicky. I was
wondering how the run limits for the X,Y,Z, and A axis were set.  I can see
why it would  be useful to have a background in IT.

Wanted to ask how you found the overall operation of the system once
everything was calibrated for running a project?.  What projects did you
run(flat/round/combo)? Were the stepper motors muscular enough for your
applications?  How was the speed of the operation (both run and return)?
Any other observations on overall operations?

Thank you again for taking the time to respond.

Ray

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:48 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> Ray,
>
> Your summary sounds pretty accurate. The key things that I remember giving
> me problems were:
>
>- Configuring the right IP address in the Ethernet setup
>- On my laptop, I had to disable wireless after things were set up or
>it would not work (this took a while to figure out)
>- Tuning the settings to make sure the programs knew the setup for the
>1200.  Setup in this case means: dimensions of the cutting area, tuning the
>stepper motors for accurate measurements, start and end positions on all
>axes (X,Y,Z,A). I ruined a nice bit when I ran it into my headstock on the
>mill because this was not setup and tested correctly :(.
>
> Not too long after I got the CNC Upgraded 1200, I got a Legacy Explorer
> CNC at a great price. I've only used that a little so far but I was able to
> get the same computer for the Explorer to talk to and run the CNC Upgraded
> 1200.  I only bring that up because the version of Windows and the version
> of Mach were all quite a few years newer and I was still able to get it to
> work with the older CNC setup. Patient troubleshooting and tuning was the
> key for me. I was not on a deadline and enjoyed figuring it out. So, even
> though it took a while, it wasn't frustrating.
>
> One other advantage I had was the person I bought the CNC upgraded 1200
> from had taken the control box, that originally came with the CNC upgrade,
> to Legacy and had them replace the old parallel cable with a new CAT5
> cable. That just meant it was a lot easier to plug into a modern computer.
> I'm sure most control boxes that would have come with the original CNC
> upgrade would still have the old cables and ports - which would create
> challenges to connect to a computer now.
>
> I also was able to take the 2 day course Legacy offers on how to run a
> CNC. That was pretty cool and tons of what I learned there, although
> tailored to the current CNCs, was still very relevant to the CNC upgraded
> 1200.
>
> Again, hope this is helpful.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:03 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for picking up on this post Tracy.  Your comments is
>> definitely helpful.
>>
>> I was looking to find out what software Legacy used for the upgrade kit
>> when they put it out.  Given how long ago that software came out and how
>> fast software development moves I wondered if someone had found an update
>> that was compatible with or run the CNC upgrade system.  I was fishing in
>> other words.
>>
>> Since my earlier post my research turned up a little more on what I was
>> seeking. Legacy used an OM5 Control Software and as
>> you indicated Conversational Cam. Users needed to download an Install
>> Program to a desktop (their recommendation at the time; 32 bit version)
>> from www.artsoftcontrols.com.  Then you needed to download a
>> Mach3exe.file from Legacy's site, and save that directly into the
>> Mach3/folder. To complete the installation properly it was necessary to
>> download three (3) more files: Performance OM5 RevC.set; Performance
>> Screen Sets folder; and Performance CNC R
>>
>> Finally the software operating System for the OM5 interface was Microsoft
>> Windows XP; Vista; or Windows 7.  Apparently this was also used for their
>> Arty and Artisan units back when they first started coming out.
>>
>> I'm not sure if the software is or is not the same for the Standard and
>> Performance CNC Upgrade Kits.
>>
>> I am not an IT guy.  Does the above sound correct given your
>> understanding?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:14 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ray,
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "what code was used"?
>>>
>>> Legacy use

Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks for picking up on this post Tracy.  Your comments is
definitely helpful.

I was looking to find out what software Legacy used for the upgrade kit
when they put it out.  Given how long ago that software came out and how
fast software development moves I wondered if someone had found an update
that was compatible with or run the CNC upgrade system.  I was fishing in
other words.

Since my earlier post my research turned up a little more on what I was
seeking. Legacy used an OM5 Control Software and as
you indicated Conversational Cam. Users needed to download an Install
Program to a desktop (their recommendation at the time; 32 bit version)
from www.artsoftcontrols.com.  Then you needed to download a
Mach3exe.file from Legacy's site, and save that directly into the
Mach3/folder. To complete the installation properly it was necessary to
download three (3) more files: Performance OM5 RevC.set; Performance
Screen Sets folder; and Performance CNC R

Finally the software operating System for the OM5 interface was Microsoft
Windows XP; Vista; or Windows 7.  Apparently this was also used for their
Arty and Artisan units back when they first started coming out.

I'm not sure if the software is or is not the same for the Standard and
Performance CNC Upgrade Kits.

I am not an IT guy.  Does the above sound correct given your understanding?

Thanks

Ray

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:14 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> Hi Ray,
>
> What do you mean by "what code was used"?
>
> Legacy uses the software Conversational Cam to design the spindles and
> that program creates the Gcode for the CNC machines. This (Conversational
> Cam) is unique to Legacy. The Gcode is then loaded into Mach 3 (or other
> versions) and Mach 3 is what processes the Gcode to drive the CNC. When I
> got my CNC Performance Upgraded model 1200, I spent about 2 weeks fiddling
> with it to get it to work. It was hours looking at very old web forums and
> lots of careful trial and error. I'm an IT guys so for me it was a lot of
> fun and I was very happy when I got everything working. It was definitely a
> challenge and there was little that was straightforward about it. The
> biggest problem was figuring out how to get modern software to be aware of
> and talk to the "old" Legacy CNC machine. I couldn't coach someone on how
> to repeat what I did. I would have to go through and figure it all out
> again. I did a ton of spindle work once I got it all working but it's been
> over 1.5 years since I did anything.  I plan to do more work next year so
> will I will be forced to refresh myself on the process.
>
> I am happy to help if I can but be prepared :).
>
> Regarding question 2, I believe technically, you could use any software
> that produces gcode. There is a different to doing CNC work on a flat
> surface as compared to a round rotating surface. I would image you could
> buy the current version of Conversational Cam from Legacy and it would
> still create workable gcode for you. The challenge will be the tools used
> to process the gcode and actually "talks" to your machine.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Regards,
> Tracy
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:37 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Do any users of the CNC Performance Upgrade Kit here know what code was
>> used at the time the kit was sold initially?
>>
>> Secondly, is that kit's software updatable for compatibility with say
>> today's CAM/CAD or other software packages?
>>
>> In other words can the original kit software be updated?
>>
>> Ray
>>
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Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Ray Leaman]

Do any users of the CNC Performance Upgrade Kit here know what code was
used at the time the kit was sold initially?

Secondly, is that kit's software updatable for compatibility with say
today's CAM/CAD or other software packages?

In other words can the original kit software be updated?

Ray

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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:14 PM  wrote:

> This will help you.  https://ornamentalmills.com/history/
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2020 7:42 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
>
>
> If someone can tell the date of manufacture by looking at the machine that
> would be something.
>
> Anyone care to guess the year mine was made?
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:46 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> True on the manual but I thought with the new letter or those copies that
> Curtis down loaded would possibly help tell when it was made?
>
> It seems many of you can identify them by looking at them about how new
> they are?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:03 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> I've seen several Manuals (even actually read one) and I have yet to see
> any reference to a "Date of manufacture"(DoM).
>
> Hell, most Mills I've either seen or seen photos of, don't even have a
> Model Number on them!! (Much less a Serial Number or DoM!
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:24 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some of
> you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed along
> with many other nice accessories.
>
> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>
> What are you referring too tim?
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
>
>
> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
> nice angle changing brackets.
>
> Does anyone else have those???
>
> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me. That
> looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on furniture
> etc...
>
> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like the
> cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench
> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
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Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Tim.  I just got back on and saw the stylus posts.  The pics from
(aussieman were great.

Couldn't get back to your post asking if we should have them priced out in
brass.  Would it hurt to price both materials (aluminum and brass)?

Also, you probably thought of it already but in order to fit into the hole
in the stylus adjustment plate the top of each stylus must be sized to fit
that hole regardless of the diameter of the lower section. Right?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:57 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Ok I put in a request for pricing from him stay tuned. ok
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:46 PM  wrote:
>
>> Doesn’t really matter witch ever you like aluminum would be cheaper I
>> would think. any I would make would be steel because it’s the easiest metal
>> to acquire for me
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:39 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks Bill do we want them priced in Brass?
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:35 PM  wrote:
>>
>> I would add a ¾ dia one too
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:31 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses
>>
>>
>>
>> There we go I know someone would have all we need to make them. Give me a
>> bit to get a response from my Brother he works nights
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Bill
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:43 PM  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:03 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray I am not sure.. If someone chimes in to what we should have I can
>> check with him and have him price some.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:01 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>> What do you think a good set would include size wise? Cost? Legacy had a
>> set of 5 I think? Don't know sizes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:39 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have a brother that can make anything you could possibly want?
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:24 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>> Did anyone have any sources where we might get a suitable replacement for
>> the styluses we all lost or never had to begin with?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
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Re: More Closeups of my Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

Who's shining who on now? (lol)

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:29 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Well for sure we just have to have a positive attitude or life gets pretty
> rough.
> I always try to greet all my customers with a smile weather on the phone
> or in person.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:35 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Hey, glad you can smile.  With everything else going on in the
>> world...that's a good thing.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:06 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> was just a smile as you'd commented "anything to help"
>>> I am pleased.
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something missing with your last post...like words?.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:55 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:54 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anything to help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:33 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> very good Sir
>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:55 PM Ray Leaman 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3 more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>
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Re: Face Book Marketplace posting of a 8ft. Legacy LOM

[Ray Leaman]

Joe,

Been going thru your facebook page for the past couple of hours.  Your shop
(or shops if you will) is/are amazing.  Spent most of the time perusing
your legacy ornamental  mill posts and comments. As others here have, that
mill (actually two mills) of yours is as amazing as billed.  I see what you
meant by building a box support for a mill.  The three 8' sliding box
sections for your 16' mill look strong.  A wealth of information for
ornamental mill owners.
Just started to look at the Finials Unlimited section of your business as I
was about to leave the site.  Again amazing.  The history of your gathering
some of these items from other crafts men/women(?) over the years needs to
be preserved somehow. It looks like a lot of articles have been written on
your business over the years but some of your stuff belongs in the
Metropolitan Art Museum in the furniture curated section or somewhere.
Really.
I will be going back to your site again and again. Too much to take in in
one sitting.  Thanks.

Ray

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:46 PM 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> click on the link, then the actual link will appear, and then click on
> that... Joe B.
>
>
> (1) Legacy ornamental mill | Facebook
> <https://www.facebook.com/legacyornamentalmill>
> (2) Finials Unlimited | Facebook
> <https://www.facebook.com/Finials-Unlimited-202845983134202>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:56:02 PM UTC-5 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Mac, Joe<
>>
>> I can not get that link to work. Could you get it to open?
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 11:18 AM M.W.Foscue 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>> Great hearing from you.  Was getting concerned - since you live smack in
>>> the middle of  "Virus Land".
>>> Hang in there - your business will pick back up.
>>> Thanks for explaining the background info on your "King Kong" Mill!
>>> I'm sure a lot of the new folks have no idea about its existence.
>>> Can't let THAT go unmentioned!
>>> Be Safe & Stay Healthy!
>>> Mac
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>> Sent: Nov 30, 2020 11:39 AM
>>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>> Subject: Re: Face Book Marketplace posting of a 8ft. Legacy LOM
>>>
>>> hey to Mac, Ray and the rest in Legacy land... haven't posted to the
>>> group because not much to post as far as what I might be doing with my
>>> machine and dealing with complications on the general business end of what
>>> we do... but, if anyone wants to see photos of my modified Legacy, they can
>>> check it out on my Legacy facebook page... here is the link  Legacy
>>> ornamental mill | Facebook
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/legacyornamentalmill>  ... and here are some
>>> questions answered... why that long of a machine?... curtain poles!...
>>> mostly twisted designs(fluted, reeded, harlequin, etc.)... we can do
>>> straight work on our expanded shaper, but the Legacy can do those easily as
>>> well... sometimes the lengths are 12 feet, occasionally longer... and the
>>> customers do not want a pole that is comprised of a number of pieces, i.e.
>>> no joints... why 15 1/2 feet then?... I purchased used, an 1800 and then a
>>> 1500, and when laying out combining the two, it did not make sense to cut
>>> down the 1500 to achieve a 12 foot center-to-center, so I just combined the
>>> two full machines and got the 15 1/2 foot length... at first I only
>>> lengthened the machine... then, for reasons I still can't remember, I
>>> decided to enlarge the diameter capacity... why?, because it seemed the
>>> logical thing to do and from a technical standpoint, not that difficult to
>>> achieve... and it was fun!, LOL!... have yet to do a column, as we are not
>>> known for doing columns and there are specialists who do column work... and
>>> Mac, thanks for asking if I'm still around, LOL!... had my fair share of
>>> economic challenges, as most of us have had, but I'm focused on surviving
>>> economically with no time to "play" with my machine... but I do follow the
>>> group, always... Joe B.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 4:51:27 PM UTC-5

Re: 1/4 bit reducer

[Ray Leaman]

Wow!  You DO have a creative mind. I like it! And here I always thought
Lizard Lick was more in-land, like somewhere between Raleigh and Rocky
Mount.  I hope we never meet cause it would be a dumpster fire for those
around us I betcha.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:27 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Ray,
> Yes - I did comment on that in a much earlier posting - complimented you
> for doing that and pointing out how you were going to benefit from it.
> Great job on sharing with all of us your booty from Blackbeard's Chest!
>
> You do know he cruised the NC coast, don't you?  Rumors have it he buried
> a Legacy Mill - a VERY early model - most likely a prototype there
> somewhere around Lizard Lick!  It was pedal-powered - like Curtis'.  Look
> closely at the character on the Mill's label.  Most folks think that's Andy
> Anderson.  Little do they know - that's Blackbeard!
> The rest of the rumor is that VERY BAD Karma will come to anyone that
> takes from his Treasure Chest containing his Mill!  I do hope you can trace
> yours' lineage back to the date it was made - and that it is not that
> prototype!
> Mac
> ------
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Leaman
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:13 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 1/4 bit reducer
>
> That's what I did Mac.
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 6:58 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>> I believe I remember reading in the Instructions (Yes, I read the
>> Instructions!) they said Not to use adapters.
>> Of course there are a couple brands out there that provide that "quick
>> release" - so I may have one mixed up with the other.
>> I also recall that there was some issue(s) between company A & company B
>> re: patent infringement(?).
>>
>> Anyway - when in doubt - go read the instructions. (Try it - you'll like
>> it!)
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tim Ziegler
>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 2:03 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: 1/4 bit reducer
>>
>> Ok I am out playing with my LOM 1200 today and want to know if any of you
>> avid users have ever put a 1/4 shank reducer in the speed chuck that many
>> of us have?
>> If so how well did it hold it?
>> Or is it not recommended
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
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Re: Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Ken I first heard of putting paper between glue ups way back in my
pattern making training in trade school.   I have used that trick many
times over the years.  I want to try the pilaster dogs just to see how they
work since they came with my new mill. If things don 't work out I'll fall
back on our alternative method (which may actually be easier).

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:49 AM Ken Fisher  wrote:

> Ray,
> If you want to make quarter rounds just glue up 4 pieces of wood to make
> up the square. Which in turn gets turned round or with spirals or whatever
> you like. To make it easy to break apart use paper in the glue joints.
>
> Ken
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 29, 2020, at 11:38 PM, M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> 
> Ray,
> Note: What comes out from turning using a pair of Pilaster Dogs is not a
> "quarter round" (a quarter of a round piece of stock).
> The Dogs give you a much "flatter" piece - much more like an ellipse when
> viewed from the ends.
> I hope that helps.
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Leaman
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:27 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings
>
> I'm thinking the pilaster dogs will be good for making some of the quarter
> rounds for grandfather clocks.  Could make four at the same time.
> --
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:33 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> That's a useful page if someone has the P.Dogs and is not sure how they
>> are used.
>> If someone looks closely at the photo of the wall in the lower left
>> corner - they can see two pilasters installed.  These appear to be fluted
>> and give the appearance of small "columns".  Note - they are not a "column"
>> that's been cut vertically down the center.  They are a lot "flatter" than
>> that.  That's basically what a pilaster is.  (Bill, I know you know all
>> this - just sharing it in case someone is not quite sure about them.)
>> Thanks for sharing.
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 3:21 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings
>>
>> Just in case you don’t have this page
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
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>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 2:59 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings
>>
>>
>>
>> The previous line of posts was getting pretty long so I thought I would
>> start a new one on an entry from Curt.
>>
>>
>>
>> Curtis,  I found these "jaw couplers" in a bag of items that came with my
>> 1200.  You had sent me some info Re; Kaman couplers which I appreciated.
>> As these came with my machine and some are still in the plastic I think
>> these must be original to the legacy.  What do you think?  I noticed the
>> Kaman had 3 prongs and these only have 2 prongs.  Is that an issue?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
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Re: More Closeups of my Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

Hey, glad you can smile.  With everything else going on in the
world...that's a good thing.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:06 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> was just a smile as you'd commented "anything to help"
> I am pleased.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Something missing with your last post...like words?.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:55 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> :)
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:54 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anything to help.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:33 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> very good Sir
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:55 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3 more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
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Re: Close ups of My Adjustable Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

Just looked at your site and see what you mean.  Quite a lot of things
going on there.  Congratulations.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:13 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> So basically I am a specialty shop.
> "If its wood I wood"
> Furniture, furniture repair, restoration, create build, mill work, laser
> Engrave, custom cabinets, Turnings, Mouldings, flag displays and display
> cases, gun stock checkering with laser of course.
> pretty much any and all.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:05 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Just what is it that you do?  Lasers?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:57 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well they looked pretty good. I do a lot of drawing for my business too.
>>> most like you just did on graph paper.
>>> I tried AutoCad, but and also Sketchup but now I have Corel Draw
>>> for our Laser and thats a lot to learn too.
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:55 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah.  That comes from 8 years of engineering drawing although you
>>>> couldn't tell it from the sketches.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:33 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm impressed thanks again. Lots of angles just what we need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Last 3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>
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Re: Close ups of My Adjustable Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

I'm thinking 2'x2'x2' crate at 150 lbs.  I could pick it up at a freight
terminal anywhere in Raleigh or Fayetteville, NC.  Don't have a preference
here but Estes seems to deliver around here a bit.  At least I see their
trucks fairly often.  They may be out of Fayetteville.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:15 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Would depend on the crate size and which motor Freight company is the
> closest to you.
> What ya thinking?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:13 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> How much would it cost to ship 150 lbs from Minn. do you think?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:08 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> www.zieglerwoodworkandspecialty.com
>>> www.facebookilikewoodworkcustomdesigned
>>> www.custommade.com
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:05 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just what is it that you do?  Lasers?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:57 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well they looked pretty good. I do a lot of drawing for my business
>>>>> too. most like you just did on graph paper.
>>>>> I tried AutoCad, but and also Sketchup but now I have Corel
>>>>> Draw for our Laser and thats a lot to learn too.
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:55 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah.  That comes from 8 years of engineering drawing although you
>>>>>> couldn't tell it from the sketches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:33 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm impressed thanks again. Lots of angles just what we need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ray Leaman 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Last 3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>
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Re: Close ups of My Adjustable Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

Sorry!  To North Carolina,,,zip 28394.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:13 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:

> How much would it cost to ship 150 lbs from Minn. do you think?
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:08 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>> www.zieglerwoodworkandspecialty.com
>> www.facebookilikewoodworkcustomdesigned
>> www.custommade.com
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:05 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>>> Just what is it that you do?  Lasers?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:57 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well they looked pretty good. I do a lot of drawing for my business
>>>> too. most like you just did on graph paper.
>>>> I tried AutoCad, but and also Sketchup but now I have Corel
>>>> Draw for our Laser and thats a lot to learn too.
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:55 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah.  That comes from 8 years of engineering drawing although you
>>>>> couldn't tell it from the sketches.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:33 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm impressed thanks again. Lots of angles just what we need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last 3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>
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Re: Close ups of My Adjustable Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

How much would it cost to ship 150 lbs from Minn. do you think?

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> www.zieglerwoodworkandspecialty.com
> www.facebookilikewoodworkcustomdesigned
> www.custommade.com
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
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>
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>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:05 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Just what is it that you do?  Lasers?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:57 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well they looked pretty good. I do a lot of drawing for my business too.
>>> most like you just did on graph paper.
>>> I tried AutoCad, but and also Sketchup but now I have Corel Draw
>>> for our Laser and thats a lot to learn too.
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:55 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah.  That comes from 8 years of engineering drawing although you
>>>> couldn't tell it from the sketches.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:33 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm impressed thanks again. Lots of angles just what we need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Last 3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
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Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

[Ray Leaman]

I'll leave it in your  hands.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:03 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Ray I am not sure.. If someone chimes in to what we should have I can
> check with him and have him price some.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
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>
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> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:01 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> What do you think a good set would include size wise? Cost? Legacy had a
>> set of 5 I think? Don't know sizes.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:39 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a brother that can make anything you could possibly want?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:24 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did anyone have any sources where we might get a suitable replacement
>>>> for the styluses we all lost or never had to begin with?
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
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Re: Close ups of My Adjustable Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

Just what is it that you do?  Lasers?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:57 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Well they looked pretty good. I do a lot of drawing for my business too.
> most like you just did on graph paper.
> I tried AutoCad, but and also Sketchup but now I have Corel Draw
> for our Laser and thats a lot to learn too.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:55 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Yeah.  That comes from 8 years of engineering drawing although you
>> couldn't tell it from the sketches.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:33 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm impressed thanks again. Lots of angles just what we need.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Last 3.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
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Re: More Closeups of my Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

Something missing with your last post...like words?.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:55 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> :)
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
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>
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>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:54 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Anything to help.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:33 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> very good Sir
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:55 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
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>>>> 3 more.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
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Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

[Ray Leaman]

What do you think a good set would include size wise? Cost? Legacy had a
set of 5 I think? Don't know sizes.

Ray

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:39 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> I have a brother that can make anything you could possibly want?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:24 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Did anyone have any sources where we might get a suitable replacement for
>> the styluses we all lost or never had to begin with?
>>
>> Ray
>>
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Re: Close ups of My Adjustable Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

Yeah.  That comes from 8 years of engineering drawing although you couldn't
tell it from the sketches.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:33 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> I'm impressed thanks again. Lots of angles just what we need.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
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>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
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>> Last 3.
>>
>> Ray
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Re: More Closeups of my Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

Anything to help.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:33 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> very good Sir
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
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>> 3 more.
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>> Ray
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Re: Close ups of My Vertical Bench Vise

[Ray Leaman]

Send pics when you have it done.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:32 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> I'll be sending over to my Brother to help me so I will let you know.
> Thanks again Ray.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> 320-630-2243 cell
>
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> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:53 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
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>> Several angles.  Hope you can see what you need.
>>
>> Ray
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Re: Vertical Bench Vise Specs./Pics

[Ray Leaman]

Glad to do it.  Good luck on your fabrication.  Send pics.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:31 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Awesome thanks so much Ray.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:50 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Tim and some others asked about dimensions for my VBV.
>>
>> Here are a couple of drawings with measurements.  I tried tracing it but
>> the base was too long for my graph paper.  So where you see a broken line
>> on the right take note of the full dimensions.  Otherwise the drawings
>> while rough should give you the measurements you want.
>>
>> Closeup Photos will follow.
>>
>> Ray
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

OK

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:37 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Sounds good Ray just thought I'd check.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:14 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Not yet.  I'm still trying to get more familiar with my mill.  Need to
>> have someitems in mind before calling her.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:34 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> if they can get close. And that would be some of the seasoned guys that
>>> are on the Forum regularly.
>>> Were you able to connect with Cindy yet Ray?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:42 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> If someone can tell the date of manufacture by looking at the machine
>>>> that would be something.
>>>> Anyone care to guess the year mine was made?
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:46 AM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> True on the manual but I thought with the new letter or those copies
>>>>> that Curtis down loaded would possibly help tell when it was made?
>>>>> It seems many of you can identify them by looking at them about how
>>>>> new they are?
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:03 AM M.W.Foscue 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>> I've seen several Manuals (even actually read one) and I have yet to
>>>>>> see any reference to a "Date of manufacture"(DoM).
>>>>>> Hell, most Mills I've either seen or seen photos of, don't even have
>>>>>> a Model Number on them!! (Much less a Serial Number or DoM!
>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Tim Ziegler
>>>>>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:24 PM
>>>>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench
>>>>>> Vises
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made.
>>>>>>> Some of you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have
>>>>>>>> landed along with many other nice accessories.
>>>>>>>> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What are you referring too tim?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *O

Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

[Ray Leaman]

I can see the logic of it.  My problem is not being able to turn a steel
rod down.  The aluminum I could probably do on my wood lathe.

So yes, it does help Bob.  Thanks.

Ray

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:27 PM Bob Mark  wrote:

> I needed a smaller one for some gears. I just turned down a piece of rod.
> Drilled a hole in a piece of aluminum and turns a knob shape on it. The
> aluminum part needs to be the same for all stylus sizes and just change the
> bore and rod diameters. If that helps any?
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2020 12:24 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Sources for the Template Follower Styluses
>
>
>
> Did anyone have any sources where we might get a suitable replacement for
> the styluses we all lost or never had to begin with?
>
>
>
> Ray
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

I thought the 1200 was an earlier machine than 2004 -2012.  I'm liking my
purchase more and more.

Hadn't seen this history but have seen others.  Could never understand why
they always jumped from the 1000 (ex;exl;etc) to the 1500ex and didn't
explain why.  Also it says the 1200 is similar to the 900??

Maybe I'm not understanding the progression of these machines.  In fact I
was thinking of trying to upgrade a 1000 ex to a 1500 ex because I thought
I could just skip by the 1200 for a better machine in the 1500ex.  What am
I missing?

Ray

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:29 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> I think you are right Bill.  If I remember correctly, Legacy only did the
> CNC upgrades for about a year. According to this page:
> https://ornamentalmills.com/history/index.html, the CNC upgrades were
> discontinued in 2011.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM  wrote:
>
>> I cant tell you a date but the ball bearing headstock, the cnc upgrade
>> and the adjustable vertical vice I would say its one of the later models
>> not long before legacy stopped making them and turned to totally making cnc
>> that’s just my opinion. Tim K or English roger  would be the men who would
>> know if anyone would
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 1 December 2020 2:42 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>>
>>
>>
>> If someone can tell the date of manufacture by looking at the machine
>> that would be something.
>>
>> Anyone care to guess the year mine was made?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:46 AM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> True on the manual but I thought with the new letter or those copies that
>> Curtis down loaded would possibly help tell when it was made?
>>
>> It seems many of you can identify them by looking at them about how new
>> they are?
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:03 AM M.W.Foscue 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> I've seen several Manuals (even actually read one) and I have yet to see
>> any reference to a "Date of manufacture"(DoM).
>>
>> Hell, most Mills I've either seen or seen photos of, don't even have a
>> Model Number on them!! (Much less a Serial Number or DoM!
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tim Ziegler
>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:24 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>>
>> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> --
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some
>> of you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed
>> along with many other nice accessories.
>>
>> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>>
>> What are you referring too tim?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>> ------
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>>
>>
>>
>> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
>> nice angle changing brackets.
>>
>> Does anyone else have those???
>>
>> Can someone

Re: What is this part

[Ray Leaman]

Are you saying it is part of your 1200 or that it goes with another setup
you own?

Ray

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:07 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Ok guru's,
>
> I have this part that I got with my 1200 LOM.
> I was told from Legacy I may as well get rid of it.
> As it belonged to some setup I did have.
> Does anyone know where it can be used or what
> parts I need to use it?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
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Re: What is this part

[Ray Leaman]

I've not run across this one Tim.  What machine did it come off?

Ray

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:07 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Ok guru's,
>
> I have this part that I got with my 1200 LOM.
> I was told from Legacy I may as well get rid of it.
> As it belonged to some setup I did have.
> Does anyone know where it can be used or what
> parts I need to use it?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
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Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

[Ray Leaman]

Did anyone have any sources where we might get a suitable replacement for
the styluses we all lost or never had to begin with?

Ray

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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

So you're thinking mid - late 90'S maybe?

Ray

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:05 PM  wrote:

> I cant tell you a date but the ball bearing headstock, the cnc upgrade and
> the adjustable vertical vice I would say its one of the later models not
> long before legacy stopped making them and turned to totally making cnc
> that’s just my opinion. Tim K or English roger  would be the men who would
> know if anyone would
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 1 December 2020 2:42 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
>
>
> If someone can tell the date of manufacture by looking at the machine that
> would be something.
>
> Anyone care to guess the year mine was made?
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:46 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> True on the manual but I thought with the new letter or those copies that
> Curtis down loaded would possibly help tell when it was made?
>
> It seems many of you can identify them by looking at them about how new
> they are?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:03 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> I've seen several Manuals (even actually read one) and I have yet to see
> any reference to a "Date of manufacture"(DoM).
>
> Hell, most Mills I've either seen or seen photos of, don't even have a
> Model Number on them!! (Much less a Serial Number or DoM!
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:24 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some of
> you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed along
> with many other nice accessories.
>
> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>
> What are you referring too tim?
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
>
>
> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
> nice angle changing brackets.
>
> Does anyone else have those???
>
> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me. That
> looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on furniture
> etc...
>
> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like the
> cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench
> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

Not yet.  I'm still trying to get more familiar with my mill.  Need to have
someitems in mind before calling her.

Ray

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:34 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> if they can get close. And that would be some of the seasoned guys that
> are on the Forum regularly.
> Were you able to connect with Cindy yet Ray?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:42 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> If someone can tell the date of manufacture by looking at the machine
>> that would be something.
>> Anyone care to guess the year mine was made?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:46 AM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> True on the manual but I thought with the new letter or those copies
>>> that Curtis down loaded would possibly help tell when it was made?
>>> It seems many of you can identify them by looking at them about how new
>>> they are?
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:03 AM M.W.Foscue 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim,
>>>> I've seen several Manuals (even actually read one) and I have yet to
>>>> see any reference to a "Date of manufacture"(DoM).
>>>> Hell, most Mills I've either seen or seen photos of, don't even have a
>>>> Model Number on them!! (Much less a Serial Number or DoM!
>>>> Mac
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Tim Ziegler
>>>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:24 PM
>>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>>>>
>>>> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>> --
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made.
>>>>> Some of you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed
>>>>>> along with many other nice accessories.
>>>>>> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are you referring too tim?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench
>>>>>>> Vises
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have
>>>>>>> those nice angle changing brackets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone else have those???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me.
>>>>>>> That looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on
>>>>>>> furniture etc...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Bill.  Maybe they will chime in with their thoughts.

Ray

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:05 PM  wrote:

> I cant tell you a date but the ball bearing headstock, the cnc upgrade and
> the adjustable vertical vice I would say its one of the later models not
> long before legacy stopped making them and turned to totally making cnc
> that’s just my opinion. Tim K or English roger  would be the men who would
> know if anyone would
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 1 December 2020 2:42 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
>
>
> If someone can tell the date of manufacture by looking at the machine that
> would be something.
>
> Anyone care to guess the year mine was made?
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:46 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> True on the manual but I thought with the new letter or those copies that
> Curtis down loaded would possibly help tell when it was made?
>
> It seems many of you can identify them by looking at them about how new
> they are?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:03 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> I've seen several Manuals (even actually read one) and I have yet to see
> any reference to a "Date of manufacture"(DoM).
>
> Hell, most Mills I've either seen or seen photos of, don't even have a
> Model Number on them!! (Much less a Serial Number or DoM!
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:24 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some of
> you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed along
> with many other nice accessories.
>
> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>
> What are you referring too tim?
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
>
>
> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
> nice angle changing brackets.
>
> Does anyone else have those???
>
> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me. That
> looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on furniture
> etc...
>
> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like the
> cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench
> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
> --
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Re: Face Book Marketplace posting of a 8ft. Legacy LOM

[Ray Leaman]

Yes.  Got right in.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:58 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> let me know Ray if FaceBook let you on or not.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 11:42 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Curtain Pole Rods?!? I'd not think of that on such a mill.  The length
>> makes sense.  The customer is always right.  They must be commercial
>> enterprises to need poles that long.
>>
>> I've added your facebook site to my desktop.  While I have seen some of
>> the pics before I'm much interested in your upgrades.  I'm assuming your
>> chain and sprocket router tower revolves around the CNC Upgrade?
>>
>> RFay
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 11:39 AM 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> hey to Mac, Ray and the rest in Legacy land... haven't posted to the
>>> group because not much to post as far as what I might be doing with my
>>> machine and dealing with complications on the general business end of what
>>> we do... but, if anyone wants to see photos of my modified Legacy, they can
>>> check it out on my Legacy facebook page... here is the link  Legacy
>>> ornamental mill | Facebook
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/legacyornamentalmill>  ... and here are some
>>> questions answered... why that long of a machine?... curtain poles!...
>>> mostly twisted designs(fluted, reeded, harlequin, etc.)... we can do
>>> straight work on our expanded shaper, but the Legacy can do those easily as
>>> well... sometimes the lengths are 12 feet, occasionally longer... and the
>>> customers do not want a pole that is comprised of a number of pieces, i.e.
>>> no joints... why 15 1/2 feet then?... I purchased used, an 1800 and then a
>>> 1500, and when laying out combining the two, it did not make sense to cut
>>> down the 1500 to achieve a 12 foot center-to-center, so I just combined the
>>> two full machines and got the 15 1/2 foot length... at first I only
>>> lengthened the machine... then, for reasons I still can't remember, I
>>> decided to enlarge the diameter capacity... why?, because it seemed the
>>> logical thing to do and from a technical standpoint, not that difficult to
>>> achieve... and it was fun!, LOL!... have yet to do a column, as we are not
>>> known for doing columns and there are specialists who do column work... and
>>> Mac, thanks for asking if I'm still around, LOL!... had my fair share of
>>> economic challenges, as most of us have had, but I'm focused on surviving
>>> economically with no time to "play" with my machine... but I do follow the
>>> group, always... Joe B.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 4:51:27 PM UTC-5 vie...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks.  No, I didn't see his posts.  Still wondering what you do with
>>>> that beast other than huge columns,
>>>>
>>>> By the way some of those capitol columns now reside at the US National
>>>> Arboretum off New York Avenue in Wash., DC.. My old agency manages the
>>>> Aboretum and when they were moved I was able to pick up a chunk left over
>>>> from them being fitted into their new home. Use it as a point of interest
>>>> in my garden.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 3:25 PM M.W.Foscue 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ray,
>>>>> Apparently you did not see the postings here by NY Joe (Biuno).  He
>>>>> built the King Kong of LOM's a couple years ago.
>>>>> I think he was hoping to get a contract to replace those big columns
>>>>> on "The White House" with it.
>>>>> If we are lucky, Joe will see this and post a photo or two of his
>>>>> creation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy the way - I think someone posted here, about 2 days after it was
>>>>> first shared here, that the listing was gone.  I guess the assumption is
>>>>> that it was sold.
>>>>> Yes - it would be nice to know if a member of The Group bought it.
>>>>> (Joe - was it you?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy Thanksgiving.
>>>>> Mac
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Ray Leaman
>>>>> Sent: Nov 26, 2020 2:43 PM
>>>>> To: leg

Re: Face Book Marketplace posting of a 8ft. Legacy LOM

[Ray Leaman]

Curtain Pole Rods?!? I'd not think of that on such a mill.  The length
makes sense.  The customer is always right.  They must be commercial
enterprises to need poles that long.

I've added your facebook site to my desktop.  While I have seen some of the
pics before I'm much interested in your upgrades.  I'm assuming your chain
and sprocket router tower revolves around the CNC Upgrade?

RFay

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 11:39 AM 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> hey to Mac, Ray and the rest in Legacy land... haven't posted to the group
> because not much to post as far as what I might be doing with my machine
> and dealing with complications on the general business end of what we do...
> but, if anyone wants to see photos of my modified Legacy, they can check it
> out on my Legacy facebook page... here is the link  Legacy ornamental
> mill | Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/legacyornamentalmill>  ... and
> here are some questions answered... why that long of a machine?... curtain
> poles!... mostly twisted designs(fluted, reeded, harlequin, etc.)... we can
> do straight work on our expanded shaper, but the Legacy can do those easily
> as well... sometimes the lengths are 12 feet, occasionally longer... and
> the customers do not want a pole that is comprised of a number of pieces,
> i.e. no joints... why 15 1/2 feet then?... I purchased used, an 1800 and
> then a 1500, and when laying out combining the two, it did not make sense
> to cut down the 1500 to achieve a 12 foot center-to-center, so I just
> combined the two full machines and got the 15 1/2 foot length... at first I
> only lengthened the machine... then, for reasons I still can't remember, I
> decided to enlarge the diameter capacity... why?, because it seemed the
> logical thing to do and from a technical standpoint, not that difficult to
> achieve... and it was fun!, LOL!... have yet to do a column, as we are not
> known for doing columns and there are specialists who do column work... and
> Mac, thanks for asking if I'm still around, LOL!... had my fair share of
> economic challenges, as most of us have had, but I'm focused on surviving
> economically with no time to "play" with my machine... but I do follow the
> group, always... Joe B.
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 4:51:27 PM UTC-5 vie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks.  No, I didn't see his posts.  Still wondering what you do with
>> that beast other than huge columns,
>>
>> By the way some of those capitol columns now reside at the US National
>> Arboretum off New York Avenue in Wash., DC.. My old agency manages the
>> Aboretum and when they were moved I was able to pick up a chunk left over
>> from them being fitted into their new home. Use it as a point of interest
>> in my garden.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 3:25 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>>
>>> Ray,
>>> Apparently you did not see the postings here by NY Joe (Biuno).  He
>>> built the King Kong of LOM's a couple years ago.
>>> I think he was hoping to get a contract to replace those big columns on
>>> "The White House" with it.
>>> If we are lucky, Joe will see this and post a photo or two of his
>>> creation.
>>>
>>> Buy the way - I think someone posted here, about 2 days after it was
>>> first shared here, that the listing was gone.  I guess the assumption is
>>> that it was sold.
>>> Yes - it would be nice to know if a member of The Group bought it.  (Joe
>>> - was it you?)
>>>
>>> Happy Thanksgiving.
>>> Mac
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Ray Leaman
>>> Sent: Nov 26, 2020 2:43 PM
>>> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face Book Marketplace posting of a 8ft. Legacy LOM
>>>
>>> I lost track of this auction and it was closed by the time I wanted to
>>> check back.
>>>
>>> Did anyone on here buy it?  I'm wondering what someone would do with
>>> such a large machine.  I get columns and all but would it be an all around
>>> user or more of a specialty mill.
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:56 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yea better start ckg in with people for sure.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>> --
>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:51 PM M.W.Foscue 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if  &qu

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

If someone can tell the date of manufacture by looking at the machine that
would be something.
Anyone care to guess the year mine was made?

Ray

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:46 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> True on the manual but I thought with the new letter or those copies that
> Curtis down loaded would possibly help tell when it was made?
> It seems many of you can identify them by looking at them about how new
> they are?
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:03 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>> I've seen several Manuals (even actually read one) and I have yet to see
>> any reference to a "Date of manufacture"(DoM).
>> Hell, most Mills I've either seen or seen photos of, don't even have a
>> Model Number on them!! (Much less a Serial Number or DoM!
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tim Ziegler
>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:24 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>>
>> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> --
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some
>>> of you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed
>>>> along with many other nice accessories.
>>>> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What are you referring too tim?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench
>>>>> Vises
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
>>>>> nice angle changing brackets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone else have those???
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me.
>>>>> That looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on
>>>>> furniture etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like
>>>>> the cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal 
>>>>> bench
>>>>> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
>>>>> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
>>>>> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
>>>>> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
>>>>> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center

[Ray Leaman]

I did.  Thanks.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:46 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> your welcome.
> Did you see what Bill sent too?
> Thats the Wave I was trying to explain.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:44 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Thank you sir,
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:43 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd start here and ask for her. 1.800.279.4570
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:41 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Really?  Do you have her number?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:39 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The main drive gears that change pitch and spindle speed etc...
>>>>> Cindy is the gal at Legacy WoodWorking that deals in the LOM parts
>>>>> etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:35 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> More details Tim.  What gears are we talking about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You raise another question.  Do we know the details as to what Legacy
>>>>>> has or doesn't have relative to our old mills?  I'd like to know a little
>>>>>> more before cold calling.  What does Cindy do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:23 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Legacy still makes gears for these. I just had some done about a
>>>>>>> year ago. Just talk to Cindy.
>>>>>>> It takes a while though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:21 PM Ray Leaman 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah this would have been a deal breaker.  I had tried to get both
>>>>>>>> those gears before without success.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:46 PM  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That’s ok just wanted to make sure you had them you would be
>>>>>>>>> severally restricted without them
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray
>>>>>>>>> Leaman
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:41 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. I have both.  A post is out there.  If you don't see it
>>>>>>>>> let me know and I'll send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
&g

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower

[Ray Leaman]

That's the picture I remember.  Where did you get it?

Thanks guys.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:44 PM  wrote:

> [image: Template Rail Mounting Kit]
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 2:03 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> Should be a couple metal templates I think that are created by Legacy that
> are wave patterns. Bill probably would be better at
>
> explaining them as was just using them and posting, or Curtis
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:56 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> What waves Tim?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:06 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> This might be another topic that we all could benefit from.
>
> I think I only have one stylius to the big brass one that follows the
> waves etc...
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:00 PM  wrote:
>
> I don’t know mac I make my own I would assume you would have to get them
> made I wouldn’t be beyond making them out of really hard wood or plastic on
> the legacy or wood lathe
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 12:55 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Thanks.  Where does one get more styluses - of the various sizes?
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 4:51 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
> You need several sizes of stylises the styless you use must be the same
> dia as the router bit your cutting with or your reproduction won’t be
> exactly the same.
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:51 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> I have the makings of a template follower as you can see in this photo.
> As you can see I have the follower and the Stylus Adjustment Plate.  While
> there is no dust port hole in the follower near the router carriage like
> shows in the legacy literature, I do have a wholly different aluminum plate
> with a plastic 3" dust port that does n't seem to fit anywhere with what
> you see in this picture.  And, obviously I do not have the the 1/2" brass
> and hardened steel stylus that fits in that aluminum block on the stylus
> adjustment plate.
>
>
>
> Finally, I also do not Template Rail Mounting Kit.  None of it.  That's
> not a killer as it can probably be improvised somewhat easily.
>
>
>
> So I will be getting back with the gut I bought it from to see if it's
> laying around somewhere gathering dust.  Seems strange that the follower is
> on the router carriage but the rest of the assembly is missing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, after getting everything else, you all kn ow how it is, you REALLY
> want all the pieces to complete the collection of accessories.
>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center

[Ray Leaman]

Thank you sir,

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:43 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> I'd start here and ask for her. 1.800.279.4570
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:41 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Really?  Do you have her number?
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:39 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The main drive gears that change pitch and spindle speed etc...
>>> Cindy is the gal at Legacy WoodWorking that deals in the LOM parts etc...
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:35 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> More details Tim.  What gears are we talking about?
>>>>
>>>> You raise another question.  Do we know the details as to what Legacy
>>>> has or doesn't have relative to our old mills?  I'd like to know a little
>>>> more before cold calling.  What does Cindy do?
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:23 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Legacy still makes gears for these. I just had some done about a year
>>>>> ago. Just talk to Cindy.
>>>>> It takes a while though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:21 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah this would have been a deal breaker.  I had tried to get both
>>>>>> those gears before without success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:46 PM  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s ok just wanted to make sure you had them you would be
>>>>>>> severally restricted without them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:41 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. I have both.  A post is out there.  If you don't see it let me
>>>>>>> know and I'll send it to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 7:33 PM  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray the things I didn’t see are the 2X multiply gears and the .25
>>>>>>> reduction gears very important gears to have , did your mill have them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 7:42 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, at this point I can actually say mine has been out of the box.
>>>>>>> Using it may be a different story for a while. My son is showing a lot 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> interest in what a L

Re: 6 start turning

[Ray Leaman]

Yeah, but were they moving at the time?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:42 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Yup works great I've done chair repair and stripping/sanding that way.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:39 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello guys.
>> sanding those is not that hard.
>> two different ways that I know of to get this job done.
>> first is to have a flap sander on your legacy, (Make a sled and have it
>> ride on the rails, your machine/gearing will match the pitch.)
>> The other is more fun.
>> put it on the lathe, and sand by hand, once you get the hang of it. all
>> you need to do it time your setting of the sand paper on the moving spindle
>> and then go with the flow... This technique is pretty neat, it seems that
>> the spindle stops moving as you move along the surface.
>> Once you try it, things will become more clear.
>>
>> Have a good night.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 10:31:17 PM EST, Ray Leaman <
>> view...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> That must take some time.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:21 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have the dense rubber shapes by Rockler to sand basically by hand.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>> Looks good Tim.  How do you sand something like this?  I use strips of
>> sandpaper on my Jet Lathe but that is not on spiral cuts.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:42 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center

[Ray Leaman]

Really?  Do you have her number?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:39 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> The main drive gears that change pitch and spindle speed etc...
> Cindy is the gal at Legacy WoodWorking that deals in the LOM parts etc...
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:35 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> More details Tim.  What gears are we talking about?
>>
>> You raise another question.  Do we know the details as to what Legacy has
>> or doesn't have relative to our old mills?  I'd like to know a little more
>> before cold calling.  What does Cindy do?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:23 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Legacy still makes gears for these. I just had some done about a year
>>> ago. Just talk to Cindy.
>>> It takes a while though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:21 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah this would have been a deal breaker.  I had tried to get both
>>>> those gears before without success.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:46 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That’s ok just wanted to make sure you had them you would be severally
>>>>> restricted without them
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:41 PM
>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I have both.  A post is out there.  If you don't see it let me
>>>>> know and I'll send it to you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 7:33 PM  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray the things I didn’t see are the 2X multiply gears and the .25
>>>>> reduction gears very important gears to have , did your mill have them
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 7:42 AM
>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, at this point I can actually say mine has been out of the box.
>>>>> Using it may be a different story for a while. My son is showing a lot of
>>>>> interest in what a Legacy can do and is already chomping at the bit to 
>>>>> make
>>>>> some hollow spiral lamps with his own "twist" on it.  We'll see.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You do make a very valid point.  That is certainly how I lucked out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:19 PM M.W.Foscue 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is one of a few "accessories" that can be easily home-made and
>>>>> perform as well as the Legacy version.  However, inn your case, you can't
>>>>> argue with its price - since it was included in the Pirate's Chest!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, I am sure there are MANY LOMs out there that were
>>>>> either never completely taken out of their boxes and assembled, or if they
>>>>&

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Tim.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:29 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> I have them and am pretty sure the other's posting today do. I could get a
> pic or two but not till tomorrow.  I was just looking through things and
> did not find them in my info.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:26 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> I've seen pics in the legacy literature but it seems nobody has seen or
>> kept them if they ever had them.  I was wondering why?  No good? Just not
>> nused that much?
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:02 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Should be a couple metal templates I think that are created by Legacy
>>> that are wave patterns. Bill probably would be better at
>>> explaining them as was just using them and posting, or Curtis
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:56 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> What waves Tim?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:06 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This might be another topic that we all could benefit from.
>>>>> I think I only have one stylius to the big brass one that follows the
>>>>> waves etc...
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:00 PM  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don’t know mac I make my own I would assume you would have to get
>>>>>> them made I wouldn’t be beyond making them out of really hard wood or
>>>>>> plastic on the legacy or wood lathe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 12:55 PM
>>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.  Where does one get more styluses - of the various sizes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>>>>>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 4:51 PM
>>>>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need several sizes of stylises the styless you use must be the
>>>>>> same dia as the router bit your cutting with or your reproduction won’t 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> exactly the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:51 AM
>>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the makings of a template follower as you can see in this
>>>>>> photo.  As you can see I have the follower and the Stylus Adjustment
>>>>>> Plate.  While there is no dust port hole in the follower near the router
>>>>>> carriage like shows in the legacy 

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center

[Ray Leaman]

More details Tim.  What gears are we talking about?

You raise another question.  Do we know the details as to what Legacy has
or doesn't have relative to our old mills?  I'd like to know a little more
before cold calling.  What does Cindy do?

Ray

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:23 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Legacy still makes gears for these. I just had some done about a year ago.
> Just talk to Cindy.
> It takes a while though.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:21 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Yeah this would have been a deal breaker.  I had tried to get both those
>> gears before without success.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:46 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> That’s ok just wanted to make sure you had them you would be severally
>>> restricted without them
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:41 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. I have both.  A post is out there.  If you don't see it let me know
>>> and I'll send it to you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 7:33 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ray the things I didn’t see are the 2X multiply gears and the .25
>>> reduction gears very important gears to have , did your mill have them
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 7:42 AM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, at this point I can actually say mine has been out of the box.
>>> Using it may be a different story for a while. My son is showing a lot of
>>> interest in what a Legacy can do and is already chomping at the bit to make
>>> some hollow spiral lamps with his own "twist" on it.  We'll see.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You do make a very valid point.  That is certainly how I lucked out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:19 PM M.W.Foscue 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ray,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is one of a few "accessories" that can be easily home-made and
>>> perform as well as the Legacy version.  However, inn your case, you can't
>>> argue with its price - since it was included in the Pirate's Chest!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I am sure there are MANY LOMs out there that were either
>>> never completely taken out of their boxes and assembled, or if they were,
>>> infrequently or hardly ever used.  Yours being a good example.  There is
>>> one Group member here (Maybe he'll hold up his hand and say "It was me!"
>>> here.) that took delivery YEARS ago and never unboxed it until about 12-8
>>> months ago.  If I remember right he was recently married (to Tess?) and it
>>> may have been her ideas were the spark that lit his fire to finally unbox
>>> and assemble his Mill.  I don't know (remember) if he has made anything
>>> with it yet.  I guess we will see - if he reads this and brings us up to
>>> date. (I also remember that she was from the Philippines and they were
>>> going to build a home there and live both here and there each year.)
>>>
>>> I am personally aware of another Mill where the owner started to put it
>>> together, stopped part way through - leaving most of it in the boxes.
>>> Before ever getting it all together, he left us for "The Grand Woodshop in
>>> Heaven" - where there are Legacy Mills already put together - awaiting
>>> users!
>>>
>>> Thanks again for sharing.
>>>
>>> Mac
>>> --
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>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Ray Leaman
>>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 11:52 AM

Re: 6 start turning

[Ray Leaman]

That must take some time.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:21 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> I have the dense rubber shapes by Rockler to sand basically by hand.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Looks good Tim.  How do you sand something like this?  I use strips of
>> sandpaper on my Jet Lathe but that is not on spiral cuts.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:42 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower

[Ray Leaman]

What is that jig's primary purpose?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:05 PM  wrote:

> Any machinist could make it for you the only difference is the bottom bit
> its not a difficult job
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:55 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> Yes.  That makes sense Bill (i.e., matching the diameter of the bit).
> Legacy says there is a set of 5.
>
>
>
> I'd like to find a source of those myself.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:55 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Thanks.  Where does one get more styluses - of the various sizes?
>
> Mac
> --
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> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 4:51 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
> You need several sizes of stylises the styless you use must be the same
> dia as the router bit your cutting with or your reproduction won’t be
> exactly the same.
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
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> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:51 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> I have the makings of a template follower as you can see in this photo.
> As you can see I have the follower and the Stylus Adjustment Plate.  While
> there is no dust port hole in the follower near the router carriage like
> shows in the legacy literature, I do have a wholly different aluminum plate
> with a plastic 3" dust port that does n't seem to fit anywhere with what
> you see in this picture.  And, obviously I do not have the the 1/2" brass
> and hardened steel stylus that fits in that aluminum block on the stylus
> adjustment plate.
>
>
>
> Finally, I also do not Template Rail Mounting Kit.  None of it.  That's
> not a killer as it can probably be improvised somewhat easily.
>
>
>
> So I will be getting back with the gut I bought it from to see if it's
> laying around somewhere gathering dust.  Seems strange that the follower is
> on the router carriage but the rest of the assembly is missing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, after getting everything else, you all kn ow how it is, you REALLY
> want all the pieces to complete the collection of accessories.
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower

[Ray Leaman]

I've seen pics in the legacy literature but it seems nobody has seen or
kept them if they ever had them.  I was wondering why?  No good? Just not
nused that much?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:02 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Should be a couple metal templates I think that are created by Legacy that
> are wave patterns. Bill probably would be better at
> explaining them as was just using them and posting, or Curtis
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:56 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> What waves Tim?
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:06 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This might be another topic that we all could benefit from.
>>> I think I only have one stylius to the big brass one that follows the
>>> waves etc...
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:00 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don’t know mac I make my own I would assume you would have to get
>>>> them made I wouldn’t be beyond making them out of really hard wood or
>>>> plastic on the legacy or wood lathe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 12:55 PM
>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.  Where does one get more styluses - of the various sizes?
>>>>
>>>> Mac
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>>>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 4:51 PM
>>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You need several sizes of stylises the styless you use must be the same
>>>> dia as the router bit your cutting with or your reproduction won’t be
>>>> exactly the same.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:51 AM
>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have the makings of a template follower as you can see in this
>>>> photo.  As you can see I have the follower and the Stylus Adjustment
>>>> Plate.  While there is no dust port hole in the follower near the router
>>>> carriage like shows in the legacy literature, I do have a wholly different
>>>> aluminum plate with a plastic 3" dust port that does n't seem to fit
>>>> anywhere with what you see in this picture.  And, obviously I do not have
>>>> the the 1/2" brass and hardened steel stylus that fits in that aluminum
>>>> block on the stylus adjustment plate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I also do not Template Rail Mounting Kit.  None of it.  That's
>>>> not a killer as it can probably be improvised somewhat easily.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I will be getting back with the gut I bought it from to see if it's
>>>> laying around somewhere gathering dust.  Seems strange that the follower is
>>>> on the router carriage but the rest of the assembly is missing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, after getting everything else, you all kn ow how it is,
>>>> you REALLY want all the pieces to complete the collection of accessories.
>>>>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

No, they don't always.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:10 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> lol yea they just don't understand us do they.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:06 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tim.  I think I need you to talk to my wife on my behalf. She
>> sometimes has trouble with her assessment of me.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:24 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes your special Ray. lol
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:20 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alright.  I'm officially proud of my vices.  Didn't know they were that
>>>> scarce.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:26 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know I’m the only other person with the adjustable
>>>>> vertical vice, and mine was resurrected from my house fire so rays is the
>>>>> best one now that I have seen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 12:16 PM
>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench
>>>>> Vises
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed
>>>>> along with many other nice accessories.
>>>>>
>>>>> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What are you referring too tim?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench
>>>>> Vises
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
>>>>> nice angle changing brackets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone else have those???
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me.
>>>>> That looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on
>>>>> furniture etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>&

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

It was my pleas.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:09 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> gotcha. I'm thinking one of these guys could tell with in a year or too
> how old it is. Certainly in excellent shape.
> Again thanks for all you shared.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Not that I can find.  My reference is not an original.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:25 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some
>>>> of you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed
>>>>> along with many other nice accessories.
>>>>> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What are you referring too tim?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
>>>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench
>>>>>> Vises
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have
>>>>>> those nice angle changing brackets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone else have those???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me.
>>>>>> That looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on
>>>>>> furniture etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.
>>>>>> Like the cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the 
>>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>> bench vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise
>>>>>> mounts to the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails,
>>>>>> finger joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
>>>>>> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
>>>>>> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: router chucks

[Ray Leaman]

ditto.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:37 PM  wrote:

> The Xtream Xtension is why I can get nice views for videos now. Oh and I
> don’t ever recommend putting a Xtream Xtension in a muscle chuck
>
> Only in a routers original chuck.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:30 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: router chucks
>
>
>
> I have the first one and now know what the Xtreme Xtension looks like.
> That would certainly extend the reach of the bits.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:21 PM  wrote:
>
> New subject here I want to show quick change router chucks  first the
> muscle chuck [image: Musclechuck™ — WoodRat]it replaces the existing
> router chuck
>
> And extends it by about a half inch and you get quick easy changing of all
> dia router bits.
>
>
>
> Then we have the Xtream Xtension [image: Router Technologies EX 2080
> Xtreme Xtension Professional Router Bit/Collet Extension]my favourite
> witch increases the length by whopping 1-1/4 inches. Its drawback is you
> can’t really use a bit over 2 inches dia because if bad vibration but the
> reach you get is great and it’s easy enough to remove and go back to your
> existing routers chuck when you need to use larger bits right up too the
> big 3 inch monsters. This  subject has been discussed on the group before
> but I think its time to show or remind us again of what’s out there.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center

[Ray Leaman]

Yeah this would have been a deal breaker.  I had tried to get both those
gears before without success.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:46 PM  wrote:

> That’s ok just wanted to make sure you had them you would be severally
> restricted without them
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:41 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>
>
>
> Yes. I have both.  A post is out there.  If you don't see it let me know
> and I'll send it to you.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 7:33 PM  wrote:
>
> Ray the things I didn’t see are the 2X multiply gears and the .25
> reduction gears very important gears to have , did your mill have them
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 7:42 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>
>
>
> Well, at this point I can actually say mine has been out of the box. Using
> it may be a different story for a while. My son is showing a lot of
> interest in what a Legacy can do and is already chomping at the bit to make
> some hollow spiral lamps with his own "twist" on it.  We'll see.
>
>
>
> You do make a very valid point.  That is certainly how I lucked out.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:19 PM M.W.Foscue 
> wrote:
>
> Ray,
>
>
>
> This is one of a few "accessories" that can be easily home-made and
> perform as well as the Legacy version.  However, inn your case, you can't
> argue with its price - since it was included in the Pirate's Chest!
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, I am sure there are MANY LOMs out there that were either
> never completely taken out of their boxes and assembled, or if they were,
> infrequently or hardly ever used.  Yours being a good example.  There is
> one Group member here (Maybe he'll hold up his hand and say "It was me!"
> here.) that took delivery YEARS ago and never unboxed it until about 12-8
> months ago.  If I remember right he was recently married (to Tess?) and it
> may have been her ideas were the spark that lit his fire to finally unbox
> and assemble his Mill.  I don't know (remember) if he has made anything
> with it yet.  I guess we will see - if he reads this and brings us up to
> date. (I also remember that she was from the Philippines and they were
> going to build a home there and live both here and there each year.)
>
> I am personally aware of another Mill where the owner started to put it
> together, stopped part way through - leaving most of it in the boxes.
> Before ever getting it all together, he left us for "The Grand Woodshop in
> Heaven" - where there are Legacy Mills already put together - awaiting
> users!
>
> Thanks again for sharing.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Leaman
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 11:52 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>
> Again new in the box.  I don't think the guy I  bought my 1200 from really
> used it much.
>
>
>
> Fairly straight forward tool accessory.  Once mounted on the inner rails I
> see this as a way to make any diameter circles (thinking able tops) up to
> the capacity of the machine.  Has anyone in the group used this accessory?
> Other uses.
>
>
>
> Ray
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Re: 1/4 bit reducer

[Ray Leaman]

I bought a few of those rubber spacers and use them under all my bits.
Prevents them from "seizing" up in the collets.  I didn't always
remember to pull the bit out as you mention.  Not a good thing.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:30 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Tim,
> Don't forget that tip that the Sommerfeld's used to point out during their
> Woodworking Show demos:  When you put your bit in, we all tend to push it
> all the way in.  DON'T!  Put it in - then pull it up a tad.  That keeps it
> from getting jammed in there.
> Reason:  As you tighten the collet, it draws the bit down a tad.  If it
> does not have the space to draw it downward, that can cause it to tighten
> too much around the shank - giving you the jammed bit.
> Sommerfelds sold 1/2" rubber o-rings to drop into the router shaft hole.
> Then when you drop the router bit in it comes to rest on the o-ring.  As
> you tighten the collet, the o-ring compresses - keeping the bit/collet from
> jamming.  An EASY thing to do - provided you know about it.  Go to your
> local Ace Hardware and buy a couple 1/2" o-rings.  Problem solved!
> Be safe.
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 8:13 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 1/4 bit reducer
>
> Perfect that's what I have so just wanted to be sure. I used the one I had
> that matched your 1/4 reducing collet.
> It worked out but had a bit of trouble getting it back out the first time
> but then chucked up another and it come right out.
> Thanks again David
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:49 PM 'David Mann' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim,
>> It’s the quick release chuck for the porter cable router I used it in.
>> David
>> --
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2020, at 3:27 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>
>> I have Tim my reducer has slits in it that clamp the bit and the sleeve
>> quite ok that’s all I can tell you
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>> --
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:03 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* 1/4 bit reducer
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok I am out playing with my LOM 1200 today and want to know if any of you
>> avid users have ever put a 1/4 shank reducer in the speed chuck that many
>> of us have?
>>
>> If so how well did it hold it?
>>
>> Or is it not recommended
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
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Re: 6 start turning

[Ray Leaman]

Looks good Tim.  How do you sand something like this?  I use strips of
sandpaper on my Jet Lathe but that is not on spiral cuts.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:42 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
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Re: Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings

[Ray Leaman]

Have you done any quarter rounds this way?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:32 PM  wrote:

> Yep totally
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:27 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings
>
>
>
> I'm thinking the pilaster dogs will be good for making some of the quarter
> rounds for grandfather clocks.  Could make four at the same time.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:33 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> That's a useful page if someone has the P.Dogs and is not sure how they
> are used.
>
> If someone looks closely at the photo of the wall in the lower left corner
> - they can see two pilasters installed.  These appear to be fluted and give
> the appearance of small "columns".  Note - they are not a "column" that's
> been cut vertically down the center.  They are a lot "flatter" than that.
> That's basically what a pilaster is.  (Bill, I know you know all this -
> just sharing it in case someone is not quite sure about them.)
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 3:21 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings
>
> Just in case you don’t have this page
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 2:59 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings
>
>
>
> The previous line of posts was getting pretty long so I thought I would
> start a new one on an entry from Curt.
>
>
>
> Curtis,  I found these "jaw couplers" in a bag of items that came with my
> 1200.  You had sent me some info Re; Kaman couplers which I appreciated.
> As these came with my machine and some are still in the plastic I think
> these must be original to the legacy.  What do you think?  I noticed the
> Kaman had 3 prongs and these only have 2 prongs.  Is that an issue?
>
>
>
> Ray
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Thin Stock Support and Thin Stock Follower

[Ray Leaman]

Any pics?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:31 PM  wrote:

> No I made my own styles
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:26 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Thin Stock Support and Thin Stock
> Follower
>
>
>
> Did you make your own Bill?   Angle bracket style Vertical vise.
>
> Or are you referring to the sylus's
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:24 PM  wrote:
>
> I was an engineer machinist for over 20 years
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:13 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Thin Stock Support and Thin Stock
> Follower
>
>
>
> I know. Sounds like you got the talent to make one yourself.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:37 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Yea just kidding around Ray.
>
> I will find one. or make one.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:59 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> Will do but don't hold your breath too long Tim.  As you say, this stuff
> is hard to come by.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:55 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> wow you ever decide you don't have a use for that I've been looking for
> since I bought my LOM.
>
> The thin Stock Follower that is.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:15 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> New in the box (NIB)
>
>
>
> Thin Stock Support:  Mounts to the underside of the adjustable bed rail
> with 2 - 90 degree mounting brackets, and supports material while milling
> thin stock between 5/8" and 1 7/8 " thick.
>
>
>
> Thin Stock Follower:  Mounts to the router carriage.  The vinyl dust
> shields need to be removed to mount the follower.
>
> Can only be used on straight round pieces (no tapers or curves).
> Adjustable bed must be set level.  Position support following behind the
> cutter when milling stock round. Position support in front of the cutter
> when milling spirals.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Thin Stock Support and Thin Stock Follower

[Ray Leaman]

So, where are located?   LOL

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:24 PM  wrote:

> I was an engineer machinist for over 20 years
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 1:13 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Thin Stock Support and Thin Stock
> Follower
>
>
>
> I know. Sounds like you got the talent to make one yourself.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:37 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Yea just kidding around Ray.
>
> I will find one. or make one.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:59 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> Will do but don't hold your breath too long Tim.  As you say, this stuff
> is hard to come by.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:55 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> wow you ever decide you don't have a use for that I've been looking for
> since I bought my LOM.
>
> The thin Stock Follower that is.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:15 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> New in the box (NIB)
>
>
>
> Thin Stock Support:  Mounts to the underside of the adjustable bed rail
> with 2 - 90 degree mounting brackets, and supports material while milling
> thin stock between 5/8" and 1 7/8 " thick.
>
>
>
> Thin Stock Follower:  Mounts to the router carriage.  The vinyl dust
> shields need to be removed to mount the follower.
>
> Can only be used on straight round pieces (no tapers or curves).
> Adjustable bed must be set level.  Position support following behind the
> cutter when milling stock round. Position support in front of the cutter
> when milling spirals.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Thin Stock Support and Thin Stock Follower

[Ray Leaman]

I was originally trained as a wood and metal patternmaker.  Along the way
somewhere I moved more into woodworking and did not include metalworking in
my shop planning.  Metal fabrication with these mills would definitely be a
plus.  I may need to develop a relationship with a local machine shop.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:16 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Where there's a will there's a way right.
> What I can't make my Brother can do. He's big into metal work of all
> kinds.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:13 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> I know. Sounds like you got the talent to make one yourself.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:37 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yea just kidding around Ray.
>>> I will find one. or make one.
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:59 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will do but don't hold your breath too long Tim.  As you say, this
>>>> stuff is hard to come by.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:55 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wow you ever decide you don't have a use for that I've been looking
>>>>> for since I bought my LOM.
>>>>> The thin Stock Follower that is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:15 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> New in the box (NIB)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thin Stock Support:  Mounts to the underside of the adjustable bed
>>>>>> rail with 2 - 90 degree mounting brackets, and supports material while
>>>>>> milling thin stock between 5/8" and 1 7/8 " thick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thin Stock Follower:  Mounts to the router carriage.  The vinyl dust
>>>>>> shields need to be removed to mount the follower.
>>>>>> Can only be used on straight round pieces (no tapers or curves).
>>>>>> Adjustable bed must be set level.  Position support following behind the
>>>>>> cutter when milling stock round. Position support in front of the cutter
>>>>>> when milling spirals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Tim.  I think I need you to talk to my wife on my behalf. She
sometimes has trouble with her assessment of me.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:24 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Yes your special Ray. lol
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:20 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Alright.  I'm officially proud of my vices.  Didn't know they were that
>> scarce.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:26 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know I’m the only other person with the adjustable vertical
>>> vice, and mine was resurrected from my house fire so rays is the best one
>>> now that I have seen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 12:16 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench
>>> Vises
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed
>>> along with many other nice accessories.
>>>
>>> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> What are you referring too tim?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench
>>> Vises
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
>>> nice angle changing brackets.
>>>
>>> Does anyone else have those???
>>>
>>> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me. That
>>> looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on furniture
>>> etc...
>>>
>>> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like
>>> the cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench
>>> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
>>> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
>>> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
>>> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
>>> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
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>>> .
>>>
>>

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

Not that I can find.  My reference is not an original.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:25 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some
>> of you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed
>>> along with many other nice accessories.
>>> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> What are you referring too tim?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
>>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench
>>>> Vises
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
>>>> nice angle changing brackets.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone else have those???
>>>>
>>>> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me. That
>>>> looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on furniture
>>>> etc...
>>>>
>>>> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>
>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like
>>>> the cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench
>>>> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
>>>> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
>>>> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
>>>> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
>>>> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> --
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>

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: The Indexing Rotary Table

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks Bill.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 5:22 PM  wrote:

> Here is a link on the motor mac I just found on the net it might help
>
>
> http://yabe.chudov.com/Dayton-4Z131B-1-20-HP-DC-Gear-Motor-Dart-VS-1-Phase-Drive-13374/ebayhist.html
>
>
>
> also a Dayton 4Z131and a 4Z131B is almost the exact same motor legacy used
> the 4Z131B
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:28 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: The Indexing Rotary Table
>
>
>
> Tracy,
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Will you please take a couple photos of the motor - including one of the
> data/spec plate on it and share here?
>
>
>
> Question for the LOM Guru's:  Which model of Mill will this motor fit?  I
> believe there is a (Inter)national "standard" that specifies the mounting
> hole size & pattern for electric motors.  Does anyone know which one(s)
> is(are) used on the Legacy Mills?  That info would be invaluable to all
> members wanting/needing a motor that's easily mountable on the Mill.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tracy Smith
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 1:58 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: The Indexing Rotary Table
>
> Ray,
>
>
>
> Make sure you do a bit of research and get the right sized motor for your
> machine.  I had a model 1800 and model 2000 at the same time. The 1800 was
> pretty much in new condition. I had planned to change the new motor from
> the 1800 and replace the old motor on the 2000. When I looked into it, the
> size of the motors was quite different. That makes sense since the 2000 is
> much bigger but I didn't think of it at the time. I've attached a picture
> of the brand new motor (It came in an unopened box) from the 1800. I'm no
> expert on this stuff but maybe the picture will help.
>
>
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:43 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> You are correct.  I keep finding information I want to keep.  Many times
> it adds to an area I already have a section in the notebook on.  I like to
> keep all that stuff together so I don't have to hunt for it in more than
> one place.  3-ring binder allows me to do that easily.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 11:59 PM M.W.Foscue 
> wrote:
>
> Ray,
>
> What do you mean by "slipsheet"?
>
> I'm assuming inserting a page (sheet of paper) into the Instruction Book -
> at an appropriate place in a chapter - like "updating" the manual?
>
> Mac
> --
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 10:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> How do you slipsheet new information?
> --
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 10:33 PM Tim Ziegler 
> wrote:
>
> Yea mine is a spiral binder type.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 8:43 PM  wrote:
>
> That binder on the bottom left looks like the assembly instructions to me
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Sunday, 29 November 2020 9:12 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: The Indexing Rotary Table
>
>
>
> It did not come with the assembly manual but I got it off the Legacy site.
>
>
>
> Will be asking you all some questions I'm sure.
>
>
>
> Thanks
> --
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 4:22 PM  wrote:
>
> The board on top is sacrificial anyway you will make more over the time
> using the rotary table. There is lots of stuff on indexing it too we can
> let you know all that later when you use it. Did your mill come with its
> user assembly manual?
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Sunday, 29 November 2020 4:53 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: The Indexing Rotary Table
>
>
>
> As mentioned earlier I received a number of accessories with my new 1200
> mill.
>
>
>
> Starting off with one that is seemingless mo

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: The Indexing Rotary Table

[Ray Leaman]

So just for clarity, is it better to buy new motors or try to find a set of
older ones.  I'm thinking new as long as the specs are in an acceptable
range for the mill speeds needed??

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 5:22 PM  wrote:

> Here is a link on the motor mac I just found on the net it might help
>
>
> http://yabe.chudov.com/Dayton-4Z131B-1-20-HP-DC-Gear-Motor-Dart-VS-1-Phase-Drive-13374/ebayhist.html
>
>
>
> also a Dayton 4Z131and a 4Z131B is almost the exact same motor legacy used
> the 4Z131B
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:28 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: The Indexing Rotary Table
>
>
>
> Tracy,
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Will you please take a couple photos of the motor - including one of the
> data/spec plate on it and share here?
>
>
>
> Question for the LOM Guru's:  Which model of Mill will this motor fit?  I
> believe there is a (Inter)national "standard" that specifies the mounting
> hole size & pattern for electric motors.  Does anyone know which one(s)
> is(are) used on the Legacy Mills?  That info would be invaluable to all
> members wanting/needing a motor that's easily mountable on the Mill.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tracy Smith
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 1:58 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: The Indexing Rotary Table
>
> Ray,
>
>
>
> Make sure you do a bit of research and get the right sized motor for your
> machine.  I had a model 1800 and model 2000 at the same time. The 1800 was
> pretty much in new condition. I had planned to change the new motor from
> the 1800 and replace the old motor on the 2000. When I looked into it, the
> size of the motors was quite different. That makes sense since the 2000 is
> much bigger but I didn't think of it at the time. I've attached a picture
> of the brand new motor (It came in an unopened box) from the 1800. I'm no
> expert on this stuff but maybe the picture will help.
>
>
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:43 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> You are correct.  I keep finding information I want to keep.  Many times
> it adds to an area I already have a section in the notebook on.  I like to
> keep all that stuff together so I don't have to hunt for it in more than
> one place.  3-ring binder allows me to do that easily.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 11:59 PM M.W.Foscue 
> wrote:
>
> Ray,
>
> What do you mean by "slipsheet"?
>
> I'm assuming inserting a page (sheet of paper) into the Instruction Book -
> at an appropriate place in a chapter - like "updating" the manual?
>
> Mac
> --
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 10:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> How do you slipsheet new information?
> --
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 10:33 PM Tim Ziegler 
> wrote:
>
> Yea mine is a spiral binder type.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 8:43 PM  wrote:
>
> That binder on the bottom left looks like the assembly instructions to me
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Sunday, 29 November 2020 9:12 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: The Indexing Rotary Table
>
>
>
> It did not come with the assembly manual but I got it off the Legacy site.
>
>
>
> Will be asking you all some questions I'm sure.
>
>
>
> Thanks
> --
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 4:22 PM  wrote:
>
> The board on top is sacrificial anyway you will make more over the time
> using the rotary table. There is lots of stuff on indexing it too we can
> let you know all that later when you use it. Did your mill come with its
> user assembly manual?
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Sunday, 29 November 2020 4:53 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: The Indexing Rotary Tab

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower

[Ray Leaman]

I think you're onto something in making your own.  But it does need to be a
dese hard wood of which there are several.

Ray

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:00 PM  wrote:

> I don’t know mac I make my own I would assume you would have to get them
> made I wouldn’t be beyond making them out of really hard wood or plastic on
> the legacy or wood lathe
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 12:55 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Thanks.  Where does one get more styluses - of the various sizes?
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 4:51 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
> You need several sizes of stylises the styless you use must be the same
> dia as the router bit your cutting with or your reproduction won’t be
> exactly the same.
>
>
>
> Bill
> ------
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:51 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> I have the makings of a template follower as you can see in this photo.
> As you can see I have the follower and the Stylus Adjustment Plate.  While
> there is no dust port hole in the follower near the router carriage like
> shows in the legacy literature, I do have a wholly different aluminum plate
> with a plastic 3" dust port that does n't seem to fit anywhere with what
> you see in this picture.  And, obviously I do not have the the 1/2" brass
> and hardened steel stylus that fits in that aluminum block on the stylus
> adjustment plate.
>
>
>
> Finally, I also do not Template Rail Mounting Kit.  None of it.  That's
> not a killer as it can probably be improvised somewhat easily.
>
>
>
> So I will be getting back with the gut I bought it from to see if it's
> laying around somewhere gathering dust.  Seems strange that the follower is
> on the router carriage but the rest of the assembly is missing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, after getting everything else, you all kn ow how it is, you REALLY
> want all the pieces to complete the collection of accessories.
>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower

[Ray Leaman]

What waves Tim?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:06 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> This might be another topic that we all could benefit from.
> I think I only have one stylius to the big brass one that follows the
> waves etc...
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:00 PM  wrote:
>
>> I don’t know mac I make my own I would assume you would have to get them
>> made I wouldn’t be beyond making them out of really hard wood or plastic on
>> the legacy or wood lathe
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 12:55 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Thanks.  Where does one get more styluses - of the various sizes?
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 4:51 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>>
>>
>> You need several sizes of stylises the styless you use must be the same
>> dia as the router bit your cutting with or your reproduction won’t be
>> exactly the same.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>> --
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:51 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>>
>>
>>
>> I have the makings of a template follower as you can see in this photo.
>> As you can see I have the follower and the Stylus Adjustment Plate.  While
>> there is no dust port hole in the follower near the router carriage like
>> shows in the legacy literature, I do have a wholly different aluminum plate
>> with a plastic 3" dust port that does n't seem to fit anywhere with what
>> you see in this picture.  And, obviously I do not have the the 1/2" brass
>> and hardened steel stylus that fits in that aluminum block on the stylus
>> adjustment plate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally, I also do not Template Rail Mounting Kit.  None of it.  That's
>> not a killer as it can probably be improvised somewhat easily.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I will be getting back with the gut I bought it from to see if it's
>> laying around somewhere gathering dust.  Seems strange that the follower is
>> on the router carriage but the rest of the assembly is missing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, after getting everything else, you all kn ow how it is,
>> you REALLY want all the pieces to complete the collection of accessories.
>>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower

[Ray Leaman]

Yes.  That makes sense Bill (i.e., matching the diameter of the bit).
Legacy says there is a set of 5.

I'd like to find a source of those myself.  Any ideas?

Ray

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:55 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Bill,
> Thanks.  Where does one get more styluses - of the various sizes?
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 4:51 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
> You need several sizes of stylises the styless you use must be the same
> dia as the router bit your cutting with or your reproduction won’t be
> exactly the same.
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:51 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> I have the makings of a template follower as you can see in this photo.
> As you can see I have the follower and the Stylus Adjustment Plate.  While
> there is no dust port hole in the follower near the router carriage like
> shows in the legacy literature, I do have a wholly different aluminum plate
> with a plastic 3" dust port that does n't seem to fit anywhere with what
> you see in this picture.  And, obviously I do not have the the 1/2" brass
> and hardened steel stylus that fits in that aluminum block on the stylus
> adjustment plate.
>
>
>
> Finally, I also do not Template Rail Mounting Kit.  None of it.  That's
> not a killer as it can probably be improvised somewhat easily.
>
>
>
> So I will be getting back with the gut I bought it from to see if it's
> laying around somewhere gathering dust.  Seems strange that the follower is
> on the router carriage but the rest of the assembly is missing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, after getting everything else, you all kn ow how it is, you REALLY
> want all the pieces to complete the collection of accessories.
>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center

[Ray Leaman]

Thanks.  You guys are creative and out of the box thinkers for sure   I was
thinking a bit smaller.  A lot to absorb from all these discussions.

Is this stuff available somewhere in an archive? Video?

Ray

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:49 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> If you need a larger diameter "fan" or 'Sunburst" (like in Bill's picture)
> start with a square piece that's a tad larger than your radius.  Drill a
> hole near one corner and then trim the square to form a 90º quadrant (1/4th
> of a full circle).  Then put your router to work at the end opposite the
> center pin.
> You will then be making 1/2 of the full fan/sunburst.  Make a second one
> and then join them together.  You are able to create a VERY large
> fan/sunburst this way - especially on your monster of a machine, Ray.
> Like Curtis says: "Think outside the box - or was it outside the Mill".
> Be safe.
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>
> I have used it not for any project but just to try it out. Its as simple
> as it seems, it’s for large rotary stuff only you index it instead of
> winding a handle like the rotary table with some math you can work out how
> far rotate it for what ever indexing you want. A project that comes to mind
> apart from a round table would be a door sun burst [image: Pediment -
> Moulding - Moulding & Millwork - The Home Depot] and of course very large
> rossetts for doors.
>
>
>
> Bill
> ------
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 3:52 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>
>
>
> Again new in the box.  I don't think the guy I  bought my 1200 from really
> used it much.
>
>
>
> Fairly straight forward tool accessory.  Once mounted on the inner rails I
> see this as a way to make any diameter circles (thinking able tops) up to
> the capacity of the machine.  Has anyone in the group used this accessory?
> Other uses.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center

[Ray Leaman]

I got the vinyl upper dust shields but not the lower dust control bag. I
did ask about it when I bought my 1200 but he did not have it.  I was
ambivalent about the dust bag even though I know the legacy manual mills
make a lot of dust.
I have a 5 hp whole shop cyclone dust collected that can suck the chrome
off a bumper. I plan to devise my own dust collection for the 1200.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 7:36 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> What about the dust collection bag that snaps on the bottom of the 1200?
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 5:33 PM  wrote:
>
>> Ray the things I didn’t see are the 2X multiply gears and the .25
>> reduction gears very important gears to have , did your mill have them
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 7:42 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, at this point I can actually say mine has been out of the box.
>> Using it may be a different story for a while. My son is showing a lot of
>> interest in what a Legacy can do and is already chomping at the bit to make
>> some hollow spiral lamps with his own "twist" on it.  We'll see.
>>
>>
>>
>> You do make a very valid point.  That is certainly how I lucked out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:19 PM M.W.Foscue 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ray,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is one of a few "accessories" that can be easily home-made and
>> perform as well as the Legacy version.  However, inn your case, you can't
>> argue with its price - since it was included in the Pirate's Chest!
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I am sure there are MANY LOMs out there that were either
>> never completely taken out of their boxes and assembled, or if they were,
>> infrequently or hardly ever used.  Yours being a good example.  There is
>> one Group member here (Maybe he'll hold up his hand and say "It was me!"
>> here.) that took delivery YEARS ago and never unboxed it until about 12-8
>> months ago.  If I remember right he was recently married (to Tess?) and it
>> may have been her ideas were the spark that lit his fire to finally unbox
>> and assemble his Mill.  I don't know (remember) if he has made anything
>> with it yet.  I guess we will see - if he reads this and brings us up to
>> date. (I also remember that she was from the Philippines and they were
>> going to build a home there and live both here and there each year.)
>>
>> I am personally aware of another Mill where the owner started to put it
>> together, stopped part way through - leaving most of it in the boxes.
>> Before ever getting it all together, he left us for "The Grand Woodshop in
>> Heaven" - where there are Legacy Mills already put together - awaiting
>> users!
>>
>> Thanks again for sharing.
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ray Leaman
>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 11:52 AM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>>
>> Again new in the box.  I don't think the guy I  bought my 1200 from
>> really used it much.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fairly straight forward tool accessory.  Once mounted on the inner rails
>> I see this as a way to make any diameter circles (thinking able tops) up to
>> the capacity of the machine.  Has anyone in the group used this accessory?
>> Other uses.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center

[Ray Leaman]

Yes. I have both.  A post is out there.  If you don't see it let me know
and I'll send it to you.

Ray

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 7:33 PM  wrote:

> Ray the things I didn’t see are the 2X multiply gears and the .25
> reduction gears very important gears to have , did your mill have them
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 7:42 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>
>
>
> Well, at this point I can actually say mine has been out of the box. Using
> it may be a different story for a while. My son is showing a lot of
> interest in what a Legacy can do and is already chomping at the bit to make
> some hollow spiral lamps with his own "twist" on it.  We'll see.
>
>
>
> You do make a very valid point.  That is certainly how I lucked out.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:19 PM M.W.Foscue 
> wrote:
>
> Ray,
>
>
>
> This is one of a few "accessories" that can be easily home-made and
> perform as well as the Legacy version.  However, inn your case, you can't
> argue with its price - since it was included in the Pirate's Chest!
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, I am sure there are MANY LOMs out there that were either
> never completely taken out of their boxes and assembled, or if they were,
> infrequently or hardly ever used.  Yours being a good example.  There is
> one Group member here (Maybe he'll hold up his hand and say "It was me!"
> here.) that took delivery YEARS ago and never unboxed it until about 12-8
> months ago.  If I remember right he was recently married (to Tess?) and it
> may have been her ideas were the spark that lit his fire to finally unbox
> and assemble his Mill.  I don't know (remember) if he has made anything
> with it yet.  I guess we will see - if he reads this and brings us up to
> date. (I also remember that she was from the Philippines and they were
> going to build a home there and live both here and there each year.)
>
> I am personally aware of another Mill where the owner started to put it
> together, stopped part way through - leaving most of it in the boxes.
> Before ever getting it all together, he left us for "The Grand Woodshop in
> Heaven" - where there are Legacy Mills already put together - awaiting
> users!
>
> Thanks again for sharing.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Leaman
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 11:52 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>
> Again new in the box.  I don't think the guy I  bought my 1200 from really
> used it much.
>
>
>
> Fairly straight forward tool accessory.  Once mounted on the inner rails I
> see this as a way to make any diameter circles (thinking able tops) up to
> the capacity of the machine.  Has anyone in the group used this accessory?
> Other uses.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Rotary Indexing Shaft

[Ray Leaman]

I did not know that and I have a drawer full in several colors.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Ray,
> That's why they invented the Sharpies and the Dry Erase Markers.  Mark the
> zero tooth and every 3, 4, 5, 10, whatever you need to.
> Another way I've used is stick a piece of masking tape on the gear under a
> tooth & mark them that way - w/ more pieces of tape.
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Leaman
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 3:30 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Rotary Indexing Shaft
>
> There's gotta be a better way.  My eyesight isn't getting any better and
> trying to look sideways  while counting those little teeth will be a
> problem.  Count 3 times and get 3 different answers.
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
>> Good for you! Now you don't have to worry about counting those handle
>> rotations, ;-)  Now all you need to do is count those holes in the indexing
>> plate... ;-p
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 11:10:29 AM EST, Ray Leaman <
>> view...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Found this new in the box (NIB). 2 parts: (1) rotary shaft adn (2) #2 MT
>> drive shaft.
>>
>> Allows one to tie together the rotary indexing table to gears on the
>> headstock. When set up "in sync" this accessory moves the rotary table and
>> the router together at the same time.  Seems it would really shine with a
>> motor drive.
>>
>> Ray
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Rotary Indexing Shaft

[Ray Leaman]

That would work.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 7:29 PM  wrote:

> There is always a better easier way ray I assume you mean the indexing
> plate I use colored marking pens I once I get the first 2 marked I set a
> compass or dividers and use that to go round and mark all the indexes
> needed. others have plastic shaped plates that fit on the indexing plate to
> mark the index holes and then there is crank handle indexing of course.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 7:31 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Rotary Indexing Shaft
>
>
>
> There's gotta be a better way.  My eyesight isn't getting any better and
> trying to look sideways  while counting those little teeth will be a
> problem.  Count 3 times and get 3 different answers.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
> Good for you! Now you don't have to worry about counting those handle
> rotations, ;-)  Now all you need to do is count those holes in the indexing
> plate... ;-p
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 11:10:29 AM EST, Ray Leaman <
> view...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Found this new in the box (NIB). 2 parts: (1) rotary shaft adn (2) #2 MT
> drive shaft.
>
>
>
> Allows one to tie together the rotary indexing table to gears on the
> headstock. When set up "in sync" this accessory moves the rotary table and
> the router together at the same time.  Seems it would really shine with a
> motor drive.
>
>
>
> Ray
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Re: router chucks

[Ray Leaman]

I have the first one and now know what the Xtreme Xtension looks like.
That would certainly extend the reach of the bits.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:21 PM  wrote:

> New subject here I want to show quick change router chucks  first the
> muscle chuck [image: Musclechuck™ — WoodRat]it replaces the existing
> router chuck
>
> And extends it by about a half inch and you get quick easy changing of all
> dia router bits.
>
>
>
> Then we have the Xtream Xtension [image: Router Technologies EX 2080
> Xtreme Xtension Professional Router Bit/Collet Extension]my favourite
> witch increases the length by whopping 1-1/4 inches. Its drawback is you
> can’t really use a bit over 2 inches dia because if bad vibration but the
> reach you get is great and it’s easy enough to remove and go back to your
> existing routers chuck when you need to use larger bits right up too the
> big 3 inch monsters. This  subject has been discussed on the group before
> but I think its time to show or remind us again of what’s out there.
>
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Re: Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings

[Ray Leaman]

I'm thinking the pilaster dogs will be good for making some of the quarter
rounds for grandfather clocks.  Could make four at the same time.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:33 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Bill,
> That's a useful page if someone has the P.Dogs and is not sure how they
> are used.
> If someone looks closely at the photo of the wall in the lower left corner
> - they can see two pilasters installed.  These appear to be fluted and give
> the appearance of small "columns".  Note - they are not a "column" that's
> been cut vertically down the center.  They are a lot "flatter" than that.
> That's basically what a pilaster is.  (Bill, I know you know all this -
> just sharing it in case someone is not quite sure about them.)
> Thanks for sharing.
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
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> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings
>
> Just in case you don’t have this page
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 2:59 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Motor Driven Rotary Table - Couplings
>
>
>
> The previous line of posts was getting pretty long so I thought I would
> start a new one on an entry from Curt.
>
>
>
> Curtis,  I found these "jaw couplers" in a bag of items that came with my
> 1200.  You had sent me some info Re; Kaman couplers which I appreciated.
> As these came with my machine and some are still in the plastic I think
> these must be original to the legacy.  What do you think?  I noticed the
> Kaman had 3 prongs and these only have 2 prongs.  Is that an issue?
>
>
>
> Ray
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some of
you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed along
> with many other nice accessories.
> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>
>> What are you referring too tim?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>>
>>
>>
>> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
>> nice angle changing brackets.
>>
>> Does anyone else have those???
>>
>> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me. That
>> looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on furniture
>> etc...
>>
>> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like
>> the cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench
>> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
>> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
>> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
>> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
>> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Ray Leaman]

I'll try and do that tomorrow afternoon.  Gotta do some real work in the
a.m..

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:20 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Hey Ray I just may need you to do a little measuring on those brackets and
> take a couple close ups of your Vertical Vise. That is one sweet unit.
> Like I said I just bought a brand new one Curits was selling and would
> like to have the adjustable brackets made with the Arch in it.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:21 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Good luck Tim
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 2:36 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
>>> nice angle changing brackets.
>>> Does anyone else have those???
>>> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me. That
>>> looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on furniture
>>> etc...
>>> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like
>>>> the cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench
>>>> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
>>>> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
>>>> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
>>>> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
>>>> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Thin Stock Support and Thin Stock Follower

[Ray Leaman]

I know. Sounds like you got the talent to make one yourself.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:37 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Yea just kidding around Ray.
> I will find one. or make one.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
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> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:59 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Will do but don't hold your breath too long Tim.  As you say, this stuff
>> is hard to come by.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:55 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> wow you ever decide you don't have a use for that I've been looking for
>>> since I bought my LOM.
>>> The thin Stock Follower that is.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:15 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> New in the box (NIB)
>>>>
>>>> Thin Stock Support:  Mounts to the underside of the adjustable bed rail
>>>> with 2 - 90 degree mounting brackets, and supports material while milling
>>>> thin stock between 5/8" and 1 7/8 " thick.
>>>>
>>>> Thin Stock Follower:  Mounts to the router carriage.  The vinyl dust
>>>> shields need to be removed to mount the follower.
>>>> Can only be used on straight round pieces (no tapers or curves).
>>>> Adjustable bed must be set level.  Position support following behind the
>>>> cutter when milling stock round. Position support in front of the cutter
>>>> when milling spirals.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
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