RE: Legacy Ornamental 1000 Mill Instruction Manual

[bulkeley]

Hi my I have a copy too my email address is bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
 

Regards Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Bob Mark
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2024 2:33 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Legacy Ornamental 1000 Mill Instruction Manual

 

I have a manual circa 2006. If you send me an email address i will forward.. 
it is a out 300 mb.

Sent from Bob Mark's iPad





On May 29, 2024, at 9:09 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:



Hey Chris. 

 

I sent a note out.  If all goes well you should have your manual very soon.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:49:08 PM EDT, Chris Liska 
mailto:chriska...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I'm still just looking for a complete manual. someone said they were in the 
archive, but i can't find that. i've also searched the conversation history 
with no luck.

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:27:23 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

Hello Chris.

As a little side bar to this ...   I for one would rather show you how to use 
your equipment/Legacy to get the most out of your machine, then sell all the 
parts. Once gone its gone.   

Your Legacy could be used to make one amazing machine, ONE that could be used 
with your CNC and or surpass your CNC capability's all together. All depending 
on your wants and needs/projects planned. 

 

If you are looking to make money with your Legacy, I would suggest to talk to 
Mike Pung.  He made a very good living using his Wood Chuck Mill. (the early 
model Legacy LOM.) Here are some of his videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooqZZkCp7tI 
 =12s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw 
 =18s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o 
 =41s

 

C.A.G.

 

 

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 12:31:56 AM EDT, Chris Liska mailto:chris...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

i can't post the manual. i get a message is too long error. and posting 
pictures seems to be challenging as well.

 

  

   

   

   

 

On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 8:36:52 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

Hello Again Chris.  (Im off from work early today.)

 

Legacy use to say for there logo.   

"Legacy where the only Limitation is your Imagination" 

 

Mike Pung put out a few video's on different methods to get the most

out of your Legacy. (A few years back.) that are both very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o 
 =31s  

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw 
 =13s 

 

OUR archives are loaded with good info to get the most form your

Legacy,  all that you have to do is look for it. (OR ASK the GROUP and I know

someone in the group will be all to willing to help you out.)

 

I would guess the Next step for you is to figure out what you want to make then 
you 

can try to see how to use your tools to get the job done the best you can.

I like to tell everyone.  The Legacy is a very good tool, but its the Craftsman 
who makes the art,

not the tool, by its self.

 

Take care. and have a GREAT Memorial Day!

 

C.A.G.

 

 

On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 2:05:34 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hello Chris.

I would like to help you, sadly the manual you refer to is not in your e-mail 
to the group.

Could you send us a photo of your machine.  Legacy over the years made a number 
of different modals. 

the 1000/ Alum. rail was made with 3 different length of rail, but the basic 
machine is the same .

How many gear sets do you have? Legacy made 3 set of gears for the 1000.  the 
standard, .25 and X2 gear sets. each gear set will give you a number of 
different pitches that the Legacy can make.  There are two directional gear 
sets, one for right and one for left handed ropes.

The Legacy is a very useful tool, for not only spindles, but it can also do 
flat work, like moldings and joinery. as well as basic lathe type of work, but 
what is really excels at is roping and advance lathe type of work, for things 
like chairs and staircases and decorative furniture .  

Bill.  (Aussiman77181), has a web site, that shows a number of different 
projects.https://www.youtube.com/@aussiman77181

The Groups archives are open to you. 

 

I hope to talk to you more, latter.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, May 

RE: Eccentric milling

[bulkeley]

Yea it is not the best I know but there just isn’t much out there in the way of 
eccentric chucks 

This is the best I found lately https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jni6Qnth844 
 
=313s_channel=TokyoCraftsman

 

https://www.woodworkersemporium.com/shop-by-category/chucks/eccentric-turning/

 

seems to be lots of attachments too like a face plate makes it similar to my 
orbit chuck but as always pricy 

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 12:49 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

 

I have the axminster style. I had a smaller piece today I was messing with and 
could change the 

eccentric without taking it off but its only about 3 inches in diameter.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 9:19 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Indexing might be a problem you would have to remove it from the chuck to index 
it and there would be no way to set it all running true again because its set 
off centre you really need an  eccentric chuck of some kind to keep everything 
running true and eccentric to the previous cuts AXMINSTER

wakes an ok one the only annoying bit is you have to remove and replace a part 
to index it each time

Bill

 

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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
cdkr...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 11:55 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

 

This could be done with a four jaw machinist chuck with independent jaws, yes?  
I have a small 4" four jaw chuck that will screw right onto the REVO drive 
spindle.  Indexing could be direct on the driven gear ring (factory stock) or 
with my high index count mod. Possibilities get wild with templates and bed 
taper

DanK

 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 9:48:43 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Bill .

 

Who makes that off-set chuck that you use in the video?  

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 09:43:21 PM EDT, mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Thanks Curt it was fun to do

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 10:10 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

 

I am glad you re-posted this Bill.

 

I always liked the skill and craftsmanship you show in this video.

Thank you.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 07:24:22 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
  mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUVSzVQqus 
 
_channel=aussiman77181 

 

this came up in an email I received about Eccentric chucks  so I thought I 
would repost this video its been over 2 years since I made this I first saw the 
idea done on a wood lathe so I thought why not do it on the legacy so I did, 
always good to show the many possibilities of our mills.

this was done on the revo model only because the open front is good for 
videoing nothing more, most of my videos were done on a revo for that reason

 

Bill

 

 

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RE: Eccentric milling

[bulkeley]

Ok sounds good pics are always good

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 12:46 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

 

Thanks Bill yeah this was great thats actually what I worked on today. 

Trying to figure things out. I did not get where I wanted to go. But I was 

more interested in the end grain. Spirals. I will post some pics.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 6:24 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUVSzVQqus 
 
_channel=aussiman77181 

 

this came up in an email I received about Eccentric chucks  so I thought I 
would repost this video its been over 2 years since I made this I first saw the 
idea done on a wood lathe so I thought why not do it on the legacy so I did, 
always good to show the many possibilities of our mills.

this was done on the revo model only because the open front is good for 
videoing nothing more, most of my videos were done on a revo for that reason

 

Bill

 

 

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RE: Eccentric milling

[bulkeley]

Indexing might be a problem you would have to remove it from the chuck to index 
it and there would be no way to set it all running true again because its set 
off centre you really need an  eccentric chuck of some kind to keep everything 
running true and eccentric to the previous cuts AXMINSTER

wakes an ok one the only annoying bit is you have to remove and replace a part 
to index it each time

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of cdkr...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 11:55 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

 

This could be done with a four jaw machinist chuck with independent jaws, yes?  
I have a small 4" four jaw chuck that will screw right onto the REVO drive 
spindle.  Indexing could be direct on the driven gear ring (factory stock) or 
with my high index count mod. Possibilities get wild with templates and bed 
taper

DanK

 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 9:48:43 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Bill .

 

Who makes that off-set chuck that you use in the video?  

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 09:43:21 PM EDT, mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Thanks Curt it was fun to do

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 10:10 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

 

I am glad you re-posted this Bill.

 

I always liked the skill and craftsmanship you show in this video.

Thank you.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 07:24:22 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
  mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUVSzVQqus 
 
_channel=aussiman77181 

 

this came up in an email I received about Eccentric chucks  so I thought I 
would repost this video its been over 2 years since I made this I first saw the 
idea done on a wood lathe so I thought why not do it on the legacy so I did, 
always good to show the many possibilities of our mills.

this was done on the revo model only because the open front is good for 
videoing nothing more, most of my videos were done on a revo for that reason

 

Bill

 

 

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RE: Eccentric milling

[bulkeley]

Thanks Curt it was fun to do

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 10:10 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

 

I am glad you re-posted this Bill.

 

I always liked the skill and craftsmanship you show in this video.

Thank you.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 07:24:22 PM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUVSzVQqus 
 
_channel=aussiman77181 

 

this came up in an email I received about Eccentric chucks  so I thought I 
would repost this video its been over 2 years since I made this I first saw the 
idea done on a wood lathe so I thought why not do it on the legacy so I did, 
always good to show the many possibilities of our mills.

this was done on the revo model only because the open front is good for 
videoing nothing more, most of my videos were done on a revo for that reason

 

Bill

 

 

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Eccentric milling

[bulkeley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUVSzVQqus

_channel=aussiman77181 

 

this came up in an email I received about Eccentric chucks  so I thought I
would repost this video its been over 2 years since I made this I first saw
the idea done on a wood lathe so I thought why not do it on the legacy so I
did, always good to show the many possibilities of our mills.

this was done on the revo model only because the open front is good for
videoing nothing more, most of my videos were done on a revo for that reason

 

Bill

 

 

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RE: Thank you for your service.

[bulkeley]

Ours was last month and I am ashamed to say there was protesters out wanting it 
banned it was on the news at times I am ashamed

of my country thank heavens they are a minority I hope you all don’t have that 
dishonourable crap over there.

I thank all service men and women in all the jobs they serve in both our 
countries we must never forget.

 

Bill 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2024 9:16 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Thank you for your service.

 

good morning All, 

I just want to reach out and extend a very warm thank you to 

all of you who have served our country in the Military or any other

branch of service, law enforcement, Fire Fighters, Special Forces. etc...

thank you, thank you. 

"God Bless America" and Aussie Land too. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

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RE: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

[bulkeley]

Yea Mac it depends on the preference of the person doing the pattern I searched 
all through my legacy pics to find the different examples of each

One looks like a cut diamond shape all strait  and the other has the rounded 
pineapple look like the outside of one

Looking through all the old legacy videos they seem to always call the strait 
sided ones done with the V bit diamond 

and the ones with the rope bit pineapple and sone times they say rope or 
pineapple pattern but they are different when you look close

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 6:07 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

 

Bill,

 

Very nice of you to post that - much appreciated.

For some of the examples of the "diamond" carve it appears to be fairly close 
to the pineapple - and on the others you can definitely tell the difference.

 

Cheers

Mac

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Sent: May 20, 2024 3:56 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

 

A few days ago I was discussing different legacy spindle patterns with someone 
and the subject of diamond and pineapple patterns came up

And I was asked is there any difference well yes there is each one is milled 
with a different router bit and I don’t think this has ever been addressed here 
before, the pineapple pattern is milled with rope molding router bits while the 
diamond pattern is milled with strait V groove router bits

Here is a sheet showing the difference.

 

 

Bill

 

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RE: New Magnetic base for the Legacy

[bulkeley]

I agree Mike perhaps 4 adjusting fixed legs would be the way to go for getting 
the best yield then the second side of them all would be 

Just a flat cut

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 12:47 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Magnetic base for the Legacy

 

Nice job Curt.  

I see the value in milling the bone flat but I do see an issue with all the 
bones not being the same.  (damn nature!" I almost feel that one at a time 
would be best.  Also parallel cuts to the base might not always be the best 
yield for the bones either.  I would fix one end of the mag base on a strong 
hinge and have the other on a screw or shim to be able to match the milling 
blade to the best path  down the bone.  You may not get enough angle on your 
rails to get the best cut. So a tilting mag base may be just the ticket.  Next 
I guess you will need to design a mini planer to make bone planks.  Oh dem 
bones!

Mike OK

On 5/19/2024 7:18 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone.

 

Just got done playing around with my newest toy for my Legacy.

 

The Magnetic base was a lucky find last week. (I got it cheap!)  I used two 
pieces of 3/4" plywood, cut them so they fit into the Legacy's rail. put two 
screws on each end of the Mag. base and mounted the Mag. base onto the Legacy. 

Form there I used hot melt glue to glue down these bones onto my steel plates. 
(new but old 7 1/4" circler saw blades cut into blank plates.) (Bye the way 
these blades were $1.00each.) ;-)

 

I have used Hot melt glue a lot in the past, but never on steel.  

I took a number of light cuts and everything held together nicely.

 

If anyone has any questions, Please ask.

 

talk to you all more latter.

Have a good weekend everyone.

 

C.A.G.

 



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RE: turning a table leg on the New CNC Legacy video

[bulkeley]

I agree a defiant one for the manual mills

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2024 11:17 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: turning a table leg on the New CNC Legacy video

 

All the steps are the same as anyone in the group could do on any Manual Legacy 
LOM's.

Fun to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIt0jTPf50c

 

Have a good day.

 

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RE: Mike's video on the Wood chuck and some of his MOD's

[bulkeley]

Yea never gets old dose it mikes woodchuck

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 3:12 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Mike's video on the Wood chuck and some of his MOD's

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooqZZkCp7tI 
 =311s

I just saw this again. 7yrs old now. but still a lot of fun to watch.

Thanks Mike. ;-)

 

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RE: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

[bulkeley]

obsessed with owning more LOM's you Tim nah lol

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 11:25 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

 

Hey Tim, 

 

Sorry little late in getting into the discussion but I would still like to say

why I bought my first WoodChuck then my first LOM. 

When they originally came out I was really not too interested in them. 

I was rather misled that if you had a lathe you didn't need the LOM's. 

Furthest thing from the truth. I traded for my WoodChuck a Delta lathe

duplicator. But not until I did some research and spoke with Mike Pung

for over 2 hours one night. After that I saw the cool spirals and different

things I could do with it and went ahead and made the trade. Now I could

have some real fun. Wasn't long and Mike sent me a link to a 1200 LOM

for sale. I just knew I had to have it. So my college kids were home on 

Christmas break and we know someone that needed money that agreed 

to take the trip to pick it up down in texas. I was super excited as now 

I would be able to make many of the items posted on our current forum. 

I absolutely love my 1200 and knew it would benefit me in my business. 

And it has. However I become rather obsessed with owning more LOM's.

To date I own 6 complete machines and at least 2 more in tare downs

and as parts. At least 4 of my machines have drive motors. I have made

boat parts, table legs, fluted rails, spirals etc...

I love them and have a lot of fun with them. 

 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 5:24 AM Timothy Krause mailto:artmarb...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Hello All,

I thought I would toss this question out to hear why you bought your 
ornamental mill. For me, I bought my first machine when I wanted to 
bring a different level of details to my current work. I was in a real 
niche market that I wanted to do some woodworking "tricks" that few 
people could figure out how they were made.

How about you?

-Tim


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RE: May Bones/Sundays project

[bulkeley]

I know legacy did some glass etching with their cnc mills on glass but I 
personally have not ever seen anything glass done on the mill

Curt or someone might have

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of John Von Brandt
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:28 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: May Bones/Sundays project

 

Hey Curt, 

Has anybody done a class on the legacy mill?

 

 

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 4:58 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Everyone.

 

I found some time in the shop today. (and since Tim K. asked, I would show you 
all that I'm NOT out of bone yet.) ;-)

 

Any question, are, as always welcome. I did some new tricks on these

that I have  not used before.

Please let me know what you think?

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

[bulkeley]

For me I bought my first legacy mill because I wanted to mill spirals only 
after a got it did I realise spirals were only the tip of a very large iceberg
Of what these amazing mills are capable of doing now many years later I'm still 
learning new things they can do every day.

Bill

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Timothy Krause
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 8:24 PM
To: Legacy Group 
Subject: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

Hello All,

I thought I would toss this question out to hear why you bought your ornamental 
mill. For me, I bought my first machine when I wanted to bring a different 
level of details to my current work. I was in a real niche market that I wanted 
to do some woodworking "tricks" that few people could figure out how they were 
made.

How about you?

-Tim


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RE: Hello to the Group

[bulkeley]

Do not fear the warning that comes up when you click on curts link it is safe 
to continue to the site

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 12:08 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Hello to the Group

 

Good morning everyone.

 

Just a friendly note to say hello.

The LOM users group has been a little bit slow as of late.

We have a number of new members this month. But sadly 

many of them have not posted yet.

If anyone has any questions or answer to plaguing problems

they have figured out how to fix.  This is the prefect time to let 

everyone know. 

I found a topic in our archives that I though many people here has 

not seen before on the rotatory table. 

https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/rotary%20table.htm


Russ V

   

  If you are going to do a couple of rosettes only, hot glue is the way.  If 
you are going to do a lot of the same size you can build a table for them.  I 
built a second table that I double tape to the original table. My original 
table I never use directly.  I drilled a 1/4" hole in the center and make a 
secondary table that I attach with double sided tape.  This hole helps me 
quickly align my rotary table to the router and to align the second table to 
the first table by using a 1/4" dowel.  To make the rosette hold down table I 
screwed blocks on three sides of center to hold the rosette centered.  The 4th 
side is on a pivot that when closed I lock it with the 5th swivel block and a 
dowel pin to hold it locked.  If you are going to cut on the outside
to make it round then use a small piece of DS tape to hold the piece once you 
cut it loose.  If they are already cut to size and shape the you only need to 
lock it in the table.  I used sand paper on the stationary blocks and a nail 
cut off  on the pivot block to help hold the rosette.  I am thinking that now I 
am going to make a table with sliding track going out in 4 directions from 
center so I can then adjust the blocks to fit any size rosette.  

 I wouldn't particularly want to use the indexing table to cut blocks round.  
On small objects I use the band saw and then a jig on my oscillating sander to 
smooth the edges and get the final diameter.  Much Much Safer.  Use the rotary 
table to cut the surface only not all the way thru.  Screws, hot glue, DS tape 
are all good and well, but when I do rosettes I usually do 100 or 200 at a 
time.  The less screwing the better ( in this case).  With my table, I can 
change out the rosette in seconds . . . no holes, no hot glue residue to clean 
up, and no DS tape to peel.  Again, I think  I will redo this table with 
sliding tracks, I then can set up to do any size rosette ( or box lid).  The DS 
tape to hold the secondary table isn't holding much (stress wise) since I use a 
dowel in the center.  The tape only hold the table from spinning.   I guess I 
could screw the
secondary table down but I like to keep  my primary table clean with only  the 
center hole so it will last.  I think I am going to put a Formica laminate on 
it to make it more durable and let DS tape stick better.  
The center hole technique to center everything is really handy.  Once I center 
the table, everything can be centered quicker too.   For example, If I am going 
to center several object of the same size, I make one with a hole in the center 
so I can then set it in place with a dowel.  Then I DS tape cleats in place on 
two sides.  Now, every piece I set, whether with hot glue, DS tape or whatever, 
the cleats will help me align to center quicker.

Russv

   

As to centering, if you look at my table pics you will see there are lines 
drawn on the table.  To create lines is as follows:

After centering the machine, put a bit with a point in the router.  Put the 
router over center, lock the carriage down on the x axis,  and plunge down to 
barely touch the table.  Start the router and plunge down.  Then slide the 
router along the y axis in one direction to the outside edge to make a score 
line.  Come back to center.  Do not go the other direction on the y axis.  Turn 
the handle on the rotary table one full turn and slide the router along the y 
axis again and back to center.  Do this 8 times and you
should see 4 long lines on your table at 45 degrees apart.  The reason you 
don't go both directions off the y axis is so that now when you look at the 
lines, they should look straight all along the line even though you drew it by 
two operations.  If the lines don't look straight, then you weren't centered. 
If everything looks straight, then you are good to go.  Make sure you always 
line the router to this center point and you will be good to go. To align a 
block of wood is simple now.  If the block of wood has 90 degree corners then 
when you line up all 4 corners on the 

bone turning

[bulkeley]

Curt asked me to post this to the group enjoy

https://youtu.be/Fn-UvXcvsv0

 

Bill

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RE: Legacy Rose adaptor

[bulkeley]

Very interesting curt I don’t think I have seen the second one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 2:18 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Legacy Rose adaptor

 

Hey Bill Yes to Nova attachment was a very neat tool.  I have seen some other 
home made tools that do almost the same things , but this was a very well 
designed machine. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BEVkDnkZ0I  This video shows another factory 
made tool that Almost dose the same things.

I also found this web site... 
https://woodworkersinstitute.com/projects/2023/09/ornamental-turning-made-easy/ 
 that covers some ideas that, We Legacy users could do with out much problems.

 

Check it out.

 

C.A.G.

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 9:06:55 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

Great going guys I look forward to anything you come up with unfortunately I am 
court up in other nonlegacy things for a while one being making a

Similar thing to the nova ornamental turner

  for my nova lathe.

 

 

And I have to make a few things for outside my house and shop I been putting it 
off for too long I’m getting some nice warm weather now so I’m taking advantage 
of it while it lasts

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 8:57 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Legacy Rose adaptor

 

Thanks Curt,

 

Yes I think this is an exciting topic and would really be great to have some of 
the 

other Master Minds start thinking about it and helping us come up with idea's.

Even if they are not interested in changing their own machine just giving us 
feed back and

helping get at least you where you want it to go. 

I have a  oscillation control off of one of my past sander's that I am 
considering using to see if 

I can get my Router carriage to move back and forth independently too for 
possibly waves 

on flats and also to aid in doing exactly what you're thinking about. 

Good stuff and just another fun way to make our LOM's do more. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 11:49 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi Tim.

 

Thank you for replying to this topic.

 

I have had a few questions on this topic as far as what I've done (and posted 
videos on Bill's web page.)

I am again thinking about working along this mindset, of making a moving 
template for adding details to my turning's, On/for my Legacy.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 12:23:17 PM EDT, timjz...@gmail.com 
  mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > 
wrote: 

 

 

Hey Curt,

This is very interest. Thanks for sharing, I have some equipment that I am 
going to try too.

This is very motivating. 

Thanks for sharing, Anyone else have thoughts on this process

 

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:39:07 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

Hello Everyone.

 

I was asked today to explain my Rose adaptor. 

(I made this for my Legacy. appx. 2yrs ago.)

This is a video that We did on this topic. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNW0G5Ly_5c

 

And here are some photo's of the parts, how it was made as well as how it 
works/fits together.  

This was/is, a fun toy/tool. I hope you all like the idea, and may try to make 
your own version.   

If all goes well, I hope to be using this adaptor again pretty soon on my 
Legacy. (NOTE a Rose lathe with an Acme screw is "NOT" something you see all 
that often in the OT world. But you Can see it here, LOM users group. ) ;-)

"Legacy, where your only limitation is your Imagination". ;-)

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Legacy Rose adaptor

[bulkeley]

Great going guys I look forward to anything you come up with unfortunately I am 
court up in other nonlegacy things for a while one being making a

Similar thing to the nova ornamental turner   for my nova lathe.

 

 

And I have to make a few things for outside my house and shop I been putting it 
off for too long I’m getting some nice warm weather now so I’m taking advantage 
of it while it lasts

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 8:57 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Legacy Rose adaptor

 

Thanks Curt,

 

Yes I think this is an exciting topic and would really be great to have some of 
the 

other Master Minds start thinking about it and helping us come up with idea's.

Even if they are not interested in changing their own machine just giving us 
feed back and

helping get at least you where you want it to go. 

I have a  oscillation control off of one of my past sander's that I am 
considering using to see if 

I can get my Router carriage to move back and forth independently too for 
possibly waves 

on flats and also to aid in doing exactly what you're thinking about. 

Good stuff and just another fun way to make our LOM's do more. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 11:49 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim.

 

Thank you for replying to this topic.

 

I have had a few questions on this topic as far as what I've done (and posted 
videos on Bill's web page.)

I am again thinking about working along this mindset, of making a moving 
template for adding details to my turning's, On/for my Legacy.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 12:23:17 PM EDT, timjz...@gmail.com 
  mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hey Curt,

This is very interest. Thanks for sharing, I have some equipment that I am 
going to try too.

This is very motivating. 

Thanks for sharing, Anyone else have thoughts on this process

 

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:39:07 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

Hello Everyone.

 

I was asked today to explain my Rose adaptor. 

(I made this for my Legacy. appx. 2yrs ago.)

This is a video that We did on this topic. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNW0G5Ly_5c

 

And here are some photo's of the parts, how it was made as well as how it 
works/fits together.  

This was/is, a fun toy/tool. I hope you all like the idea, and may try to make 
your own version.   

If all goes well, I hope to be using this adaptor again pretty soon on my 
Legacy. (NOTE a Rose lathe with an Acme screw is "NOT" something you see all 
that often in the OT world. But you Can see it here, LOM users group. ) ;-)

"Legacy, where your only limitation is your Imagination". ;-)

 

C.A.G.

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RE: wood drying

[bulkeley]

Good my emails seem to be up and running again

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 9:04 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wood drying

 

Perfect Bill it came through just fine today. 

Good information too. Thanks again.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 11:47 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Yea the crystals are cheap and reusable, every summer I thinly spread them out 
on a big metal tray I have and the hot Australian sun dries them

Out again, then I bag them up to use again. I totally bury the wood in the 
crystals sometimes wrapping cling wrap around the ends of the wood to slow the 
drying from the ends which as you know where the crack start from. This is my 
method is for log type wood cut strait from the tree.

Wood here fresh cut you only have an hour or so before the ends start to get 
those hair line cracks  so minutes after cutting I wrap and tape the ends in 
the cling wrap leaving the moister to be dawn out by the crystals through the 
bark.

 

Bill

 

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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2024 10:57 PM
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Subject: Re: wood drying

 

Yeah I remember you mentioning that's a working method too. 

 

On Wed, Apr 24, 2024, 7:07 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

I have dried wood buried in cat litter crystals with some success in the past

 

Bill

 

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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: wood drying

 

What is your method Curt? 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 11:09 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Thanks Bill

 

This version is different form what I have used in the past.

Perhaps I will try it one day? 

Thank you .

 

C.A.G.

 

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  mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

https://www.wikihow.com/Dry-Wood-Slices-Without-Cracking?utm_source=wikihow 

 _medium=article_campaign=amp

 

came across this today some of you all might find it interesting

 

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RE: How to put your LOM to good use by reviewing ideas from around 1900.

[bulkeley]

Very interesting there is some really interesting possible things that can be 
done on the legacy in it great find.

 

Bill  

 

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Subject: How to put your LOM to good use by reviewing ideas from around 1900.

 

Check out the book "Universal Design Book" from 1906. It's avalable for viewing 
and / or downloading from from U.S. Archive.ORG at


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RE: wood drying

[bulkeley]

Yea the crystals are cheap and reusable, every summer I thinly spread them out 
on a big metal tray I have and the hot Australian sun dries them

Out again, then I bag them up to use again. I totally bury the wood in the 
crystals sometimes wrapping cling wrap around the ends of the wood to slow the 
drying from the ends which as you know where the crack start from. This is my 
method is for log type wood cut strait from the tree.

Wood here fresh cut you only have an hour or so before the ends start to get 
those hair line cracks  so minutes after cutting I wrap and tape the ends in 
the cling wrap leaving the moister to be dawn out by the crystals through the 
bark.

 

Bill

 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2024 10:57 PM
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Subject: Re: wood drying

 

Yeah I remember you mentioning that's a working method too. 

 

On Wed, Apr 24, 2024, 7:07 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

I have dried wood buried in cat litter crystals with some success in the past

 

Bill

 

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Subject: Re: wood drying

 

What is your method Curt? 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 11:09 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Thanks Bill

 

This version is different form what I have used in the past.

Perhaps I will try it one day? 

Thank you .

 

C.A.G.

 

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https://www.wikihow.com/Dry-Wood-Slices-Without-Cracking?utm_source=wikihow 

 _medium=article_campaign=amp

 

came across this today some of you all might find it interesting

 

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testing

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Test 4

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Re: please ignor just testingRe: wood drying

[Bill Bulkeley]

Test 3

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 1:29 PM aussiman  wrote:

> test 2
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 1:24:05 PM UTC+10 Bill Bulkeley wrote:
>
>> just testing please ignore
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 1:15 PM aussiman  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:57:12 PM UTC+10 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah I remember you mentioning that's a working method too.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024, 7:07 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have dried wood buried in cat litter crystals with some success in
>>>>> the past
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2024 8:40 PM
>>>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: wood drying
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your method Curt?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>
>>>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>>>
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 11:09 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>>>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This version is different form what I have used in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps I will try it one day?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> C.A.G.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 08:54:46 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>>>>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.wikihow.com/Dry-Wood-Slices-Without-Cracking?utm_source=wikihow_medium=article_campaign=amp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> came across this today some of you all might find it interesting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
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Re: please ignor just testingRe: wood drying

[Bill Bulkeley]

just testing please ignore

Bill

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 1:15 PM aussiman  wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:57:12 PM UTC+10 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
>> Yeah I remember you mentioning that's a working method too.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024, 7:07 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I have dried wood buried in cat litter crystals with some success in the
>>> past
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2024 8:40 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: wood drying
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is your method Curt?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 11:09 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This version is different form what I have used in the past.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I will try it one day?
>>>
>>> Thank you .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 08:54:46 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.wikihow.com/Dry-Wood-Slices-Without-Cracking?utm_source=wikihow_medium=article_campaign=amp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> came across this today some of you all might find it interesting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
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RE: wood drying

[bulkeley]

I have dried wood buried in cat litter crystals with some success in the past

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2024 8:40 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wood drying

 

What is your method Curt? 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 11:09 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Thanks Bill

 

This version is different form what I have used in the past.

Perhaps I will try it one day? 

Thank you .

 

C.A.G.

 

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https://www.wikihow.com/Dry-Wood-Slices-Without-Cracking?utm_source=wikihow 

 _medium=article_campaign=amp

 

came across this today some of you all might find it interesting

 

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RE: wood drying

[bulkeley]

Glad you can use it

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2024 12:53 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wood drying

 

Hey Bill, 

Actually have a game call maker I was talking with yesterday about that very 
thing

so I will be sharing it with him. Great find and thanks. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

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https://www.wikihow.com/Dry-Wood-Slices-Without-Cracking?utm_source=wikihow 

 _medium=article_campaign=amp

 

came across this today some of you all might find it interesting

 

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wood drying

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https://www.wikihow.com/Dry-Wood-Slices-Without-Cracking?utm_source=wikihow
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came across this today some of you all might find it interesting

 

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RE: Sweet 16 bone blanks Apr. 2024

[bulkeley]

Where is your shop curt looks like a wooden barn or something and my shop is 
much messier than yours lol

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 6:02 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Sweet 16 bone blanks Apr. 2024

 

Hello Everyone.

 

Just a few photo's of today's project's.

I glued up 16 bone blanks today, using up an entire new

bottle of CA Glue all up, I used most of the bone disks that I just processes 
last month.

I was also able to cut a new design bone handle today. (nothing fancy but I 
think I like the shape.) All my new Stainless steel templates were cut by hand, 
I think I am getting better at it? (but there still is a lot more room for 
growth .) ;-)

I'm pretty happy with the results of today's labor.

 

After taking these photo's I now relies that the rest of my day, really should 
be to start cleaning up the shop. 

 

"So" back to work I  go. ;-p

 

talk to you all more latter.

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Odd ball question to our group

[bulkeley]

Yes defiantly ok again now don’t know what it was it just worked again

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 12:17 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Odd ball question to our group

 

looks like it




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 5:28 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Yea I think I fixed it again

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 5:05 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Odd ball question to our group

 

Hey Bill,

 

Trouble with the email again?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:38 PM aussiman mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

im not receving these by email not sure why but i have all these too anyway

 

Bill

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 11:01:51 PM UTC+10 Curt George wrote:

Good morning everyone.

Now that my brain is working again.  ("Man" I was tired last night!)

Here are the photo's form the original posting.(form 2019)  

These photo's are the New OT jig, Not the original Nova OT. (But what a neat 
jig!)

 

I hope you all enjoy these photo's.   I have to get to work now. 

Have a great day.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 01:07:46 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Nova OT  from our archives.

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

 

Here you go curt do you want the videos too I have them saved to my computer as 
well ,  I kept it all to some day work it into the legacy as well 

 

 

Bill

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, 23 September 2019 1:21 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Odd ball question to our group

 

Hello Harvey

The man who invented the Nova OT chuck, showed me some photos of his new chuck, 
I was trying to see if he is selling this new one, and if so where to find it?  
I only have one out of four photos that I can find. the others were lost.  ;-( 

I was playing with the idea of adding something like this to my Legacy... ;-)  
It would make the Legacy work more like a rose lathe, when you want it to.  
Crazy idea, but it might be worth the effort to check...

 

C.A.G.

  

 

 

On Sunday, September 22, 2019, 11:00:39 PM EDT, Harvey Matyas 
mailto:hmaty...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Curt

 

Is this what you where trying to find?

 

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/NOVA$20OT$20chuck/legacy-ornamental-mills/fd72hz5XLyU/2HVXwjRIPMgJ

 

Harvey

 

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 9:08 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hello everyone.

This question goes back a few years. (To make a long story shorter, when my 
computer crashed I lost some info. that I am now looking for again.)

 

I was looking info. on what was called a NOVA OT chuck.(Its no longer made by 
Nova.)  

 

I made contact with the man who has the copy write on this chuck, One of our 
members gave me his e-mail a while back.

 

It seems to me that the internet is not as user's friendly as it once was.  I 
am having a hard time looking up things that I thought I knew where they were,  
much of what I lost I can not find anymore. things like this OT chuck,  I would 
be great-full for any info. I could get...

 

As a side note, a lot of the info. that I lost I was able to find (at least in 
part) in our archives. Its a great resource, If you haven't used it , you could 
be missing something... ;-)

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Odd ball question to our group

[bulkeley]

Yea I think I fixed it again

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 5:05 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Odd ball question to our group

 

Hey Bill,

 

Trouble with the email again?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:38 PM aussiman mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

im not receving these by email not sure why but i have all these too anyway

 

Bill

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 11:01:51 PM UTC+10 Curt George wrote:

Good morning everyone.

Now that my brain is working again.  ("Man" I was tired last night!)

Here are the photo's form the original posting.(form 2019)  

These photo's are the New OT jig, Not the original Nova OT. (But what a neat 
jig!)

 

I hope you all enjoy these photo's.   I have to get to work now. 

Have a great day.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 01:07:46 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Nova OT  from our archives.

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

 

Here you go curt do you want the videos too I have them saved to my computer as 
well ,  I kept it all to some day work it into the legacy as well 

 

 

Bill

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, 23 September 2019 1:21 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Odd ball question to our group

 

Hello Harvey

The man who invented the Nova OT chuck, showed me some photos of his new chuck, 
I was trying to see if he is selling this new one, and if so where to find it?  
I only have one out of four photos that I can find. the others were lost.  ;-( 

I was playing with the idea of adding something like this to my Legacy... ;-)  
It would make the Legacy work more like a rose lathe, when you want it to.  
Crazy idea, but it might be worth the effort to check...

 

C.A.G.

  

 

 

On Sunday, September 22, 2019, 11:00:39 PM EDT, Harvey Matyas 
mailto:hmaty...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Curt

 

Is this what you where trying to find?

 

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/NOVA$20OT$20chuck/legacy-ornamental-mills/fd72hz5XLyU/2HVXwjRIPMgJ

 

Harvey

 

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 9:08 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hello everyone.

This question goes back a few years. (To make a long story shorter, when my 
computer crashed I lost some info. that I am now looking for again.)

 

I was looking info. on what was called a NOVA OT chuck.(Its no longer made by 
Nova.)  

 

I made contact with the man who has the copy write on this chuck, One of our 
members gave me his e-mail a while back.

 

It seems to me that the internet is not as user's friendly as it once was.  I 
am having a hard time looking up things that I thought I knew where they were,  
much of what I lost I can not find anymore. things like this OT chuck,  I would 
be great-full for any info. I could get...

 

As a side note, a lot of the info. that I lost I was able to find (at least in 
part) in our archives. Its a great resource, If you haven't used it , you could 
be missing something... ;-)

 

C.A.G.

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RE: April bone wave

[bulkeley]

That one is really good you can really see the wave best one yet

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 9:20 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: April bone wave

 

Hello Everyone.

 

I decided to play around in the shop a little bit more today.

 

This is my newest bone turning. using the wave attachment on a profile 
(Template following) The process is two 6 start waves with a bead as a gap.

I think I am pretty happy with this one.

 

Please let me know what you think?

talk to you all more latter.

 

C.A.G. 

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RE: New front mounted template follower

[bulkeley]

Looks good curt perhaps a short video of it working to show how useful the 
template follower can be

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 7:28 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: New front mounted template follower

 

Hello Everyone.

 

I just finished up working on my Front mounted template follower for my 1000ex.

When I changed out my Z axis and added the linear rail to my machine,

I lost the use of my old front mounted template follower.

 

I like to use the template follower on my Legacy to do a number of different 
types of jobs. Outside the idea of making the Legacy into a direct copy lathe 
of sorts.

 

Using a template is a great way to gain more control of your machine, 

with the use of a template you can rope on a profile on almost any spindle. You 
can add accents or details to any work you would like to make. (Flat work or 
round.)

 

I could go on. with the use of how I have used this simple tool in the past. 
But for now, this is what I did, and why?

 

I found using the template follower the way it was originally made on the 
Legacy, somewhat harder to use then it needed to be, Due to having the template 
so far form the working side/controls of the Legacy, to be problematic, and 
hard to control due to this distance , So years ago I re-designed my Legacy to 
hold the  templates in the front of my machine. To give me better control. And 
it worked out very well for me. (If you like you can search the archives to see 
the old pix.)

In not 100% sure its done, Yet. but It is useable at this point. So I wanted to 
show everyone what I did .

 

The template holder mounts to the lower rails of the legacy. (I am using 
Uni-strut, found in most electrical areas in any Big box stores and or 
electrical or plumbing supply houses.)

The follower is just a pin or stylus that allows you to control the router. 
(the Y axis is left free floating when using the template follower. )

For me I like to use both the motor control on my X axis and the follower of 
the template on the Y axis together to gain the best of both worlds. (so to 
speak.) Control and power is the goal.  Due to my use of the motor drive, My 
follower dose not have to be big and strong on the X axis. so you can see my 
follower is just 1/2" tubing. (its more then strong enough to control the X 
axis)

 

"O" one more note, the follower is small at this time, but I can easily make it 
the full length of my Legacy if I want.

 

C.A.G. 

 

 

 

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RE: Router cord control question

[bulkeley]

I hang it up a different way every time lol clamps clips what ever works 

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 8:38 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Router cord control question

 

yup pretty much what I did. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 12:10 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Everyone.  (Just got home form work.)

 

I was asked about different methods to keep the cord out of the way when using 
the Legacy.

This topic  has come up in the past. 

Here is a link that can cover this question.

 

C.A.G.

https://ornamentalmills.com/tips/router_cord_control/router_cord_control.html


Router Cord Control


After reading a lot or previous posts, I saw that some people were having 
trouble keeping their router cords out of the way. Before I ever turned my 
machine on #900 I saw that the cord could easily be damaged if you are not 
careful.  In fact, a friend of mine told me the other day that he ran over his 
cord with the router.  Luckily there were no injuries.  I then mounted mine on 
the back of the template follower with two ty-wraps.  So far this has not 
interfered with the operation of the router.  I probably won't use any 
templates very often.  If I do, I will cut the ty-wraps off and use the 
templates.  After I get through, I will replace them.  Am enclosing a picture 
of my setup.  MickeyMac

   


  _  


Very Nice MickyMac
I had the very same problem a few years ago,
This is what I did.
My Legacy dose not move around my shop, so I sorta hard wired the cord onto a 
cable guide,and used a 1/8" cable with some hooks I installed into the 2x4's 
above my machine, I used shower curtain brackets and electrical bracket ties to 
connect the hole set up together. My set up cost me under $5.00 .
And Never again will I get my cord cut or caught in the workings of the Legacy 
. :-)
have a good night.
C.A.G.

   

   

 

 

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RE: New X-4 gear set.

[bulkeley]

I thought the linkage looked a little familiar 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 1:24 PM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Re: New X-4 gear set.

 

Just got a note for one of our members.

 

Go to the link that I posted, and then click on the topic/ Joe's postings.

This is The message explaining the gear, X 8 set that he made.

 

On Friday, March 2, 2012 12:25:57 PM UTC-6, Joe Gassen wrote:

Now part two.

Photo 8

I took apart the rear gear with the "sandwich" that looks like the normal index 
drive that meshes with (mine is 180 tooth) indexed gear. The count on the small 
gear was 45 teeth.

Photos 9 and 10 show the fabricated "bar" that holds the right hand gear. It is 
notched to fit inside the"knuckle" of a stock unit. The shoulder is notched to 
where the arm will always be at right angles to the arm that mounts on spindle 
drive.Sorry the pics are not better.

Photo 11 is just to show the fixed 90 degree angle for the "bar" to the "index 
arm with bushing"

Photo 12  shows where I tried to measure fixed distance between 3/8 studs (or 
center to center) and it looks like 4 11/16"

 

So obviously the two large gears on left stud are independent of each other and 
turn at different rates as determined by one driving the right gear and it,in 
turn driving the rear left gear at different rpm.

as a side note.

45 tooth gears and 180 tooth gears seem to be stock items from Legacy, but 
interestingly enough, the two 180 tooth large gears had 1/2 in holes bored in 
them so the previous owner had to "bush" them down to 3/8 to fit stud.

All other gears were bored to 3/8.

Any more questions, just ask and I will try to answer.

As stated before. My travel increased from 3 to 24 inches with the same 60 
tooth drive gear so this (to me) is an 8 times multiplier.

 

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:56:59 PM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

We did have a gentleman in our group, who made his own gear linkage a few years 
back.

his gear reduction set looks more like Legacy's 2000 & 2200 gear linkage. but 
his was appx. 4yrs before Legacy.

My set up is much simpler, It may have some draw backs? but With Simple, Others 
can pick up from where I left off. (modifying and or making there own parts.)  
If its to complex no one will ever try to understand and make it. The main 
focus point is the learn and grow.

Here are some of his old photo's and a link to this topic.

 Joe Gassen  made a X8 gear set.  

 

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/$20gear$20set$2F$20joe$20gassen/legacy-ornamental-mills/NRI4-q17xz8/RIIWbhMU078J

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 10:18:36 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

good stuff, Curt. Look forward to you testing it and seeing some results too. 

Very innovative. You just need to figure out how to add another small gear to 
make it directional. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 9:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello everyone.

 

Just finished off the New X-4 gear set. (to be fully honest with you all, Its 
just a re-make of my old X,2,3,4, gear set.) 

The idea was to use the Legacy gears that I own to reduce the gears movement/ 
speeding the pitch up. 

This gear set, goes in the placement of the directional gears. This gear set 
can be added to any of the other Legacy gear sets.

 

And example if I use the standard gear set, so it was to make a 3" pitch, If I 
add this X-4 to the linkage, I would then make a 12" pitch.

 

The key is making a gear linkage with a 5/16" square and a set of ball- 
bearings to hold the shaft. then I used my 96 tooth gear ("A" gear)

and a 24 tooth gear. ("F" gear ???)(I think? I have 2 but they may be a custom 
made gear? I did have a number odd sized gears made some yrs. back.) 

I have not yet fully tested this gear set, Yet. (but hope to do my testing 
tomorrow.)

The photo's show the gear set piece by piece. First the frame with shaft and 
ball bearing sets. second the gears stacked on the shaft.

and third the full assembly.  and lastly the gear chart.

 

I hope this helps everyone understand the process, and how it was made.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

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RE: New X-4 gear set.

[bulkeley]

Interesting curt looking forward to see it on your mill

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 12:12 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: New X-4 gear set.

 

Hello everyone.

 

Just finished off the New X-4 gear set. (to be fully honest with you all, Its 
just a re-make of my old X,2,3,4, gear set.) 

The idea was to use the Legacy gears that I own to reduce the gears movement/ 
speeding the pitch up. 

This gear set, goes in the placement of the directional gears. This gear set 
can be added to any of the other Legacy gear sets.

 

And example if I use the standard gear set, so it was to make a 3" pitch, If I 
add this X-4 to the linkage, I would then make a 12" pitch.

 

The key is making a gear linkage with a 5/16" square and a set of ball- 
bearings to hold the shaft. then I used my 96 tooth gear ("A" gear)

and a 24 tooth gear. ("F" gear ???)(I think? I have 2 but they may be a custom 
made gear? I did have a number odd sized gears made some yrs. back.) 

I have not yet fully tested this gear set, Yet. (but hope to do my testing 
tomorrow.)

The photo's show the gear set piece by piece. First the frame with shaft and 
ball bearing sets. second the gears stacked on the shaft.

and third the full assembly.  and lastly the gear chart.

 

I hope this helps everyone understand the process, and how it was made.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

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RE: interesting spiral jig

[bulkeley]

I had seen that video you posted Tim it is really good I think I have a copy of 
it somewhere

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 11:54 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: interesting spiral jig

 

He is really impressive. I will have to watch that one Curt. I sure enjoyed 
this one I posted though.

 

 

On Fri, Apr 5, 2024, 7:24 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hey Guys!  

 

I like this guy, have you seen this video that he made 4 months ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJh6uIpDQ8o  His jigs and use of

his equipment is impressive.

 

Enjoy.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 06:50:01 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Yes the little Fur Baby is cute. I thought that was neat how he  had him in 
there. 

thanks for commenting Bill. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 3:13 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Yes your right nice kitten lol

 

Bill

 

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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 1:27 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: interesting spiral jig

 

Thought I would share this as I am running a long run on the laser tonight

I found this You-Tube rather interesting. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNuG76e7stU




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

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RE: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

[bulkeley]

Yea I hope a member got it I would like to see a video of one working I don’t 
think legacy ever did one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 11:29 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Hello Everyone.

 

this Overhead router. price was lowered to $150.00 (with out the router.)  And 
its no longer on Market place

web site. So I must assume that it was sold. 

I hope one of your guys bought it? 

Anyhow, its not history for us. ;-)

 

take care everyone.

and have a Great day.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 07:01:44 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Wow that makes for a different life style for sure.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 10:35 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Every where in Australia is 4 hours plus away 8 or 10 hours one way is common 
we have like 8 states where you have like 50 

And our land masses are about the same so places are farther away for us

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 5:29 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Thats all day drive for this ol boy. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 11:57 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

770.5 miles that only down the road for us in Australia

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 11:47 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

wow it's only a 770.5 mile drive and 11.23 hours I could be there. All in a 
day's fun right. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:40 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

If you are going to buy it Tim.  You can stop on by to see me afterwards.

 

C.A.G. 

 

On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 06:44:40 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

It's the drive that holds me back. Though we have driven further. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 9:57 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Come on Bill,   All your friends are in the same boat you are in.  BROKE! (or 
Cheapskates)  Except me, I'm just frugal.(with a wife, 2 kids, and 2 dogs, and 
living on a single income household.) ;-p

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 10:49:13 PM EDT, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Come on guys if I cant get it at least one of my friends can

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 1:06 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Part of me wants it but...


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 8:42 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Back in the day I believe it was 2 items the table and the router so your 
getting 2 for one price and you will never see another for sale

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 11:57 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Yeah seems like a reasonable price. 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 6:34 AM 

RE: interesting spiral jig

[bulkeley]

Yes your right nice kitten lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 1:27 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: interesting spiral jig

 

Thought I would share this as I am running a long run on the laser tonight

I found this You-Tube rather interesting. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNuG76e7stU




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

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RE: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

[bulkeley]

Every where in Australia is 4 hours plus away 8 or 10 hours one way is common 
we have like 8 states where you have like 50 

And our land masses are about the same so places are farther away for us

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 5:29 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Thats all day drive for this ol boy. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 11:57 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

770.5 miles that only down the road for us in Australia

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 11:47 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

wow it's only a 770.5 mile drive and 11.23 hours I could be there. All in a 
day's fun right. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:40 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

If you are going to buy it Tim.  You can stop on by to see me afterwards.

 

C.A.G. 

 

On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 06:44:40 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

It's the drive that holds me back. Though we have driven further. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 9:57 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Come on Bill,   All your friends are in the same boat you are in.  BROKE! (or 
Cheapskates)  Except me, I'm just frugal.(with a wife, 2 kids, and 2 dogs, and 
living on a single income household.) ;-p

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 10:49:13 PM EDT,  wrote: 

 

 

Come on guys if I cant get it at least one of my friends can

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 1:06 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Part of me wants it but...


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 8:42 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Back in the day I believe it was 2 items the table and the router so your 
getting 2 for one price and you will never see another for sale

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 11:57 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Yeah seems like a reasonable price. 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 6:34 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Grab it Tim I would

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 9:42 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Hey Nice find. Yes first one I have seen too in all the looking i've done. 

Really wonder where they all are?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 9:37 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

This is the first Legacy "Overhead " router system that I've seen Out side 
there old catalogs. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/401578295940402/?ref=browse_tab 

 _code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

 

$350.00   

RE: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

[bulkeley]

770.5 miles that only down the road for us in Australia

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 11:47 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

wow it's only a 770.5 mile drive and 11.23 hours I could be there. All in a 
day's fun right. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:40 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

If you are going to buy it Tim.  You can stop on by to see me afterwards.

 

C.A.G. 

 

On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 06:44:40 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

It's the drive that holds me back. Though we have driven further. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 9:57 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Come on Bill,   All your friends are in the same boat you are in.  BROKE! (or 
Cheapskates)  Except me, I'm just frugal.(with a wife, 2 kids, and 2 dogs, and 
living on a single income household.) ;-p

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 10:49:13 PM EDT, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Come on guys if I cant get it at least one of my friends can

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 1:06 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Part of me wants it but...


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 8:42 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Back in the day I believe it was 2 items the table and the router so your 
getting 2 for one price and you will never see another for sale

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 11:57 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Yeah seems like a reasonable price. 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 6:34 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Grab it Tim I would

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 9:42 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Hey Nice find. Yes first one I have seen too in all the looking i've done. 

Really wonder where they all are?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 9:37 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

This is the first Legacy "Overhead " router system that I've seen Out side 
there old catalogs. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/401578295940402/?ref=browse_tab 

 _code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

 

$350.00    Metamora, MI




C.A.G.

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RE: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

[bulkeley]

Perhaps shipping it to you would be an option 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 9:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

It's the drive that holds me back. Though we have driven further. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 9:57 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Come on Bill,   All your friends are in the same boat you are in.  BROKE! (or 
Cheapskates)  Except me, I'm just frugal.(with a wife, 2 kids, and 2 dogs, and 
living on a single income household.) ;-p

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 10:49:13 PM EDT, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Come on guys if I cant get it at least one of my friends can

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 1:06 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Part of me wants it but...


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 8:42 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Back in the day I believe it was 2 items the table and the router so your 
getting 2 for one price and you will never see another for sale

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 11:57 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Yeah seems like a reasonable price. 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 6:34 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Grab it Tim I would

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 9:42 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Hey Nice find. Yes first one I have seen too in all the looking i've done. 

Really wonder where they all are?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 9:37 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

This is the first Legacy "Overhead " router system that I've seen Out side 
there old catalogs. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/401578295940402/?ref=browse_tab 

 _code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

 

$350.00    Metamora, MI




C.A.G.

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RE: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

[bulkeley]

Come on guys if I cant get it at least one of my friends can

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 1:06 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Part of me wants it but...


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 8:42 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Back in the day I believe it was 2 items the table and the router so your 
getting 2 for one price and you will never see another for sale

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 11:57 PM
To: LOM Group mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Yeah seems like a reasonable price. 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 6:34 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Grab it Tim I would

 

Bill

 

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Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 9:42 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Hey Nice find. Yes first one I have seen too in all the looking i've done. 

Really wonder where they all are?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 9:37 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

This is the first Legacy "Overhead " router system that I've seen Out side 
there old catalogs. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/401578295940402/?ref=browse_tab 

 _code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

 

$350.00    Metamora, MI




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RE: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

[bulkeley]

If it wasn’t for the Dam shipping which is getting higher and higher and higher 
every day these days it already would be on its way to me 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 12:52 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

I think you are right.

 

But I don't have the space to put it anywhere in my shop.   

Its a fair/low price. I just cant do it. ;-(

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 09:42:13 PM EDT, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Back in the day I believe it was 2 items the table and the router so your 
getting 2 for one price and you will never see another for sale

 

Bill

 

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Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Yeah seems like a reasonable price. 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 6:34 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Grab it Tim I would

 

Bill

 

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Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 9:42 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Hey Nice find. Yes first one I have seen too in all the looking i've done. 

Really wonder where they all are?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 9:37 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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This is the first Legacy "Overhead " router system that I've seen Out side 
there old catalogs. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/401578295940402/?ref=browse_tab 

 _code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

 

$350.00    Metamora, MI




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RE: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

[bulkeley]

Back in the day I believe it was 2 items the table and the router so your 
getting 2 for one price and you will never see another for sale

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 11:57 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Yeah seems like a reasonable price. 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 6:34 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Grab it Tim I would

 

Bill

 

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Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 9:42 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: This is the first Legacy router "Overhead" that Ive seen

 

Hey Nice find. Yes first one I have seen too in all the looking i've done. 

Really wonder where they all are?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 9:37 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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This is the first Legacy "Overhead " router system that I've seen Out side 
there old catalogs. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/401578295940402/?ref=browse_tab 

 _code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

 

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RE: Legacy 1000 for sale in TX

[bulkeley]

Unfortunately I cant see it can someone post a pic for me

 

Bill

 

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Subject: Legacy 1000 for sale in TX

 

This looks reasonable for what it is

Legacy 1000 

 

DanK

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RE: Roger's new work of Art

[bulkeley]

Holy crap simply beautiful amazing work Roger 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:22 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Roger's new work of Art

 

Hello Everyone.

 

Roger (Ccm Ccm) made these table, He told me that he could not get the pix. 
size down enough to share with the Group.

 

I think this is a breath taking work of Art. and I feel everyone in the group. 
should see it.

 

Good job Roger!  

C.A.G.

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RE: Mar bone turning 1

[bulkeley]

As always very very nice curt I really like this one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 9:39 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mar bone turning 1

 

Hello again everyone.

 

Just got done with a sec Mar Bone turning this month.

This one uses a different template, I did an 8 start rope, cutting .0325 depth 
of cut and a 1/4" spacing between cuts.

As you can see, the template is just a rough shape, not a very fine job, (an 
angle grinder and a few files is all it is.) The templates job is to only get 
me to the general shape of the spindle I choose to make, the details are added 
to the turning by eye (file or lathe chisel ,or sanding.) and, the Legacy.

 

Lots of fun! ;-)

 

Have a good night everyone.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 09:53:10 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
  mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > 
wrote: 

 

 

Yes, Curt, one does get better with experience!  Those are nice looking 

handles and I'm glad you enjoy doing them.  

Ken, you and I were born the same year and it's still fun doing this stuff.

DanK

 

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 9:39:24 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hey Guys.

Thank you both, Peter and Ken.

 

Ken the real trick is to "Never" Stop. ( Keep the mind active, That's what is 
important.)

 

Have a Great day.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 07:06:11 AM EDT, Ken and Diana mailto:mman...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Curt George

  I have a Legacy 900 that I am slowly getting enough pieces for it, 

  I wii be 80 years young this year so a little slow moving ,still enjoying 
woodworking and 

seeing the results of others' work

 Ken.

 

On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 9:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hey there Ken! 

 

Thank you for the kind words. ;-)  

 

I am really enjoying myself, with these projects.  

By using the template follower on my Legacy, really makes things much easer,

for me. but even with out, Having the ability of adding details like roping, 
fluting,

and using the wave attachment, Makes the Legacy a very special tool. It gave me 
a

LOT .  That I was missing (skill wise.), before I bought my Legacy Ornamental 
Mill. 

 

I tell everyone, to PLAY with your machine as much as you can, before you try 
to make 

anything serious. 

Honestly, With these bone turnings that I have been doing, I can see an 
improvement in my

skills, as well quality of my work, over the last few years that I have been 
doing this.

I am getting better! and every time I learn something new, it again becomes 
"Play time" for me.

 

For me , LIFE IS to serious, Life weirs me down.  I need to escape every so 
often, and this toy/tool/LOM

is my escape form reality. ;-)  

Here are are few of my first handles, and some of the newer one of today.

enjoy.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 07:28:46 PM EDT, Ken and Diana mailto:mman...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

very nice work I am enjoying seeing the end product.

Ken

 

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wrote:

Hello Everyone.

 

Just made and used both a new template and used it on a bone glue up. To make 
this handle.

 

I used the standard gear set, cutting a 2" pitch, 4 starts, (1/2" spacing) 
using my set-up blocks, then cleaned up some details and sanded on the Shop 
Smith. Then I buffed it with white jeweler's rouge.

Over all I am very happy with both the template and my newest bone turning.

If anyone is interested, I can go into more details on both the bone turning as 
well as how I have been making my newest Stainless steel templates.  (NOTE: 
Warning I made 6 new templates this week. IT can be habit forming, and a lot of 
fun.) ;-) 

 

talk to you all more latter.

Have a good day.

 

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RE: Legacy 900 and Woodchuck

[bulkeley]

Eric can you show a few pics of what you have to offer?

Regards Bill

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 On Behalf Of Eric Gantner
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 11:03 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Legacy 900 and Woodchuck

Good Evening,

Do anyone live near Tampa and interested in a 900 and a Woodchuck? I had a few 
missing parts and bought the woodchuck to complete the 900.  All that I am 
missing is the large gear, Cindy did not have any at the time I bought other 
missing gears.  I going to practically give them away because my storage unit 
is costing more than the tools are worth. I had hoping of setting it up in my 
garage but I just don’t have the space. I will get pictures together if someone 
is interested.  I am not interested in boxing it up and shipping it.  Local 
pickup only.  

V/r
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RE: Legacy 900 and Woodchuck

[bulkeley]

If there is any members living in Florida it might be worth checking this out 

Bill

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Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 11:03 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Legacy 900 and Woodchuck

Good Evening,

Do anyone live near Tampa and interested in a 900 and a Woodchuck? I had a few 
missing parts and bought the woodchuck to complete the 900.  All that I am 
missing is the large gear, Cindy did not have any at the time I bought other 
missing gears.  I going to practically give them away because my storage unit 
is costing more than the tools are worth. I had hoping of setting it up in my 
garage but I just don’t have the space. I will get pictures together if someone 
is interested.  I am not interested in boxing it up and shipping it.  Local 
pickup only.  

V/r
Eric Gantner
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RE: Wave attachment.

[bulkeley]

3 years man has it been that long wow

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 4:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Wave attachment.

 

Hey Bill

I love that video. I cant believe it's been 3yrs now since you made it.

 

Here is a box top that I made just after the last time you posted you mod. 

Mine was not as pretty as yours, but it did work nicely for what I was making.

Thanks for the inspiration! ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 10:27:48 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Wow that sounds pretty cool . Would that stay consistent?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:50 PM cdkr...@gmail.com   
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Bill, that is gorgeous!  And clever.

 

I've just awakened from a nap and ivandea.  What if the arm that 

connects the driver (A) to the driven index plate (B) has some slack 

at B, say maybe 1/4". B would be pushed to move the work until A 

started to recede.  The work would remain stationary (friction 

clutch?) until B reached the far end of the slack (slot) in the arm 

when it would start to move the work again, now pulling it.  The 

wave would be interrupted by a straight segment between the + 

wave and the - wave.  A simple mod to implement for yet another 

variation.

DanK   

 

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:59:00 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
  wrote:

Love the wave attachment so many options it can do even weird waves like these 
I did lol, from canes to pens 

Even a wave rosette https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n6RmUS5dkY 
 
_channel=aussiman77181

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 1:43 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Wave attachment.

 

Here is part II

These links are form Bill's web site. they show videos of both Tim's and His 
version working.

(They say a picture is worth a 1000 words. these video's are 1,000,000 times 
better.) ;-)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUtQKJQroo 
 
=43s_channel=aussiman77181  Bill's version.

   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrDwnY4VfgQ=501s_channel=aussiman77181 
Tim's version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6hnOHYgXs My/Curt's version.

 

and here are some photo's of mine.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 09:01:10 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
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Hello and Good morning everyone.

 

I was asked to explain the wave attachment IN more detail.

First off Tim Krause took a design/concept from the OT world called the "The 
Atkinson Reciprocator"   

 

 

Here is the original posting of Tim's concept.

http://www.artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/waveattachment/waveattachment.html
  

(the photo's did not copy in my posting, you will need to open up the link to 
see the photo of this article.)

 


The TK Reciprocator - The Wave Attachment


  

 

A modern day solution for creating reciprocated ornamental turned pieces
using the Legacy Ornamental Mill

by Tim Krause


History of the Invention:


I developed the TK Reciprocator for duplicating a technique that is used in 
ornamental turning. The final effect is sine wave patterns carved into 
cylinders. By making three different adjustments, thousands of different wave 
patterns can be created.

I was inspired by the original device invention created by an amateur for the 
Holtzapffel Ornamental Lathe. Mr. G.C. Atkinson named his version "The Atkinson 
Reciprocator". The name fully describes its function. In the spirit of amateur 
inventors such as myself, I named my creation built for the Legacy Ornamental 
mill the, "TK Reciprocator". The simpler name of, "The Wave Attachment", is now 
what it's being called on Google's Legacy Ornamental Mill group.

During the same time, Curt George also made a wave attachment of his own. You 
can search the archives for his design. It is much more robust than my version.

The goal of the reciprocator is simple. Convert a rotating spindle motion to a 
back and forth motion. When combined with the spiral capabilities of the Legacy 
Ornamental Mill, we achieve the 

RE: Wave attachment.

[bulkeley]

Look out folks dan is on a roll lol 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of cdkr...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 8:04 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Wave attachment.

 

Now, for the basket weave.

 

Building on the wave notion but using a Y axis template instead and 

cutting with a pointy side cut bit, following the wavy template would 

result in an interrupted cut (periodic) on the side of a cylinder.  If 12 

starts were done at one template position, then with the template 

moved 1/2 the wave pitch for the next 12 starts on the alternate holes 

of the 24 hole index, the result would be a sort of basket weave. 

 

Holtzapffel, here we come.

 

DanK

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 3:50:54 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Bill, that is gorgeous!  And clever.

 

I've just awakened from a nap and ivandea.  What if the arm that 

connects the driver (A) to the driven index plate (B) has some slack 

at B, say maybe 1/4". B would be pushed to move the work until A 

started to recede.  The work would remain stationary (friction 

clutch?) until B reached the far end of the slack (slot) in the arm 

when it would start to move the work again, now pulling it.  The 

wave would be interrupted by a straight segment between the + 

wave and the - wave.  A simple mod to implement for yet another 

variation.

DanK   

 

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:59:00 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
  wrote:

Love the wave attachment so many options it can do even weird waves like these 
I did lol, from canes to pens 

Even a wave rosette https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n6RmUS5dkY 
 
_channel=aussiman77181

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 1:43 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Wave attachment.

 

Here is part II

These links are form Bill's web site. they show videos of both Tim's and His 
version working.

(They say a picture is worth a 1000 words. these video's are 1,000,000 times 
better.) ;-)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUtQKJQroo 
 
=43s_channel=aussiman77181  Bill's version.

   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrDwnY4VfgQ=501s_channel=aussiman77181 
Tim's version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6hnOHYgXs My/Curt's version.

 

and here are some photo's of mine.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 09:01:10 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello and Good morning everyone.

 

I was asked to explain the wave attachment IN more detail.

First off Tim Krause took a design/concept from the OT world called the "The 
Atkinson Reciprocator"   

 

 

Here is the original posting of Tim's concept.

http://www.artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/waveattachment/waveattachment.html
  

(the photo's did not copy in my posting, you will need to open up the link to 
see the photo of this article.)

 


The TK Reciprocator - The Wave Attachment


  

 

A modern day solution for creating reciprocated ornamental turned pieces
using the Legacy Ornamental Mill

by Tim Krause


History of the Invention:


I developed the TK Reciprocator for duplicating a technique that is used in 
ornamental turning. The final effect is sine wave patterns carved into 
cylinders. By making three different adjustments, thousands of different wave 
patterns can be created.

I was inspired by the original device invention created by an amateur for the 
Holtzapffel Ornamental Lathe. Mr. G.C. Atkinson named his version "The Atkinson 
Reciprocator". The name fully describes its function. In the spirit of amateur 
inventors such as myself, I named my creation built for the Legacy Ornamental 
mill the, "TK Reciprocator". The simpler name of, "The Wave Attachment", is now 
what it's being called on Google's Legacy Ornamental Mill group.

During the same time, Curt George also made a wave attachment of his own. You 
can search the archives for his design. It is much more robust than my version.

The goal of the reciprocator is simple. Convert a rotating spindle motion to a 
back and forth motion. When combined with the spiral capabilities of the Legacy 
Ornamental Mill, we achieve the same antique sine wave patterns using modern 
tools.

My invention is different from the original reciprocator attachment developed 
by 

RE: Wave attachment.

[bulkeley]

I didn’t notice enough slack to be a problem but have at it if you want I’m 
happy the way it works for me 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of cdkr...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 7:51 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Wave attachment.

 

Bill, that is gorgeous!  And clever.

 

I've just awakened from a nap and ivandea.  What if the arm that 

connects the driver (A) to the driven index plate (B) has some slack 

at B, say maybe 1/4". B would be pushed to move the work until A 

started to recede.  The work would remain stationary (friction 

clutch?) until B reached the far end of the slack (slot) in the arm 

when it would start to move the work again, now pulling it.  The 

wave would be interrupted by a straight segment between the + 

wave and the - wave.  A simple mod to implement for yet another 

variation.

DanK   

 

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:59:00 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
  wrote:

Love the wave attachment so many options it can do even weird waves like these 
I did lol, from canes to pens 

Even a wave rosette https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n6RmUS5dkY 
 
_channel=aussiman77181

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 1:43 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Wave attachment.

 

Here is part II

These links are form Bill's web site. they show videos of both Tim's and His 
version working.

(They say a picture is worth a 1000 words. these video's are 1,000,000 times 
better.) ;-)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUtQKJQroo 
 
=43s_channel=aussiman77181  Bill's version.

   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrDwnY4VfgQ=501s_channel=aussiman77181 
Tim's version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6hnOHYgXs My/Curt's version.

 

and here are some photo's of mine.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 09:01:10 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello and Good morning everyone.

 

I was asked to explain the wave attachment IN more detail.

First off Tim Krause took a design/concept from the OT world called the "The 
Atkinson Reciprocator"   

 

 

Here is the original posting of Tim's concept.

http://www.artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/waveattachment/waveattachment.html
  

(the photo's did not copy in my posting, you will need to open up the link to 
see the photo of this article.)

 


The TK Reciprocator - The Wave Attachment


  

 

A modern day solution for creating reciprocated ornamental turned pieces
using the Legacy Ornamental Mill

by Tim Krause


History of the Invention:


I developed the TK Reciprocator for duplicating a technique that is used in 
ornamental turning. The final effect is sine wave patterns carved into 
cylinders. By making three different adjustments, thousands of different wave 
patterns can be created.

I was inspired by the original device invention created by an amateur for the 
Holtzapffel Ornamental Lathe. Mr. G.C. Atkinson named his version "The Atkinson 
Reciprocator". The name fully describes its function. In the spirit of amateur 
inventors such as myself, I named my creation built for the Legacy Ornamental 
mill the, "TK Reciprocator". The simpler name of, "The Wave Attachment", is now 
what it's being called on Google's Legacy Ornamental Mill group.

During the same time, Curt George also made a wave attachment of his own. You 
can search the archives for his design. It is much more robust than my version.

The goal of the reciprocator is simple. Convert a rotating spindle motion to a 
back and forth motion. When combined with the spiral capabilities of the Legacy 
Ornamental Mill, we achieve the same antique sine wave patterns using modern 
tools.

My invention is different from the original reciprocator attachment developed 
by Atkinson. His design had multiple holes on an arm to adjust the amplitude of 
the wave. In my version, I use a slide to create an infinite variety of heights 
available in the wave.


Installation of the TK Reciprocator:


Installation is simple, and the parts can be left on the machine full time if 
desired. First the slider and spacer are attached to the standard duplex gear 
provided by Legacy. Four longer screws are included. The screws are 
intentionally left long to account for varying thickness of the duplex gear. Do 

RE: Feb 5 bone turnings

[bulkeley]

Very interesting stuff curt perhaps a video some day showing it working would 
help to show us

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 4:33 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Feb 5 bone turnings

 

Hey Guys!

 

Bill I have a way to make this chatter wave 100% every time. but it involves 
another jig to make it work. What I did the first time is supper Kool, but Its 
not easy to get the results prefect every time. 

I called this cut a chatter cut, mainly due to that is exactly what is 
happening, the route bit chatters/bounces over the wood as it is cutting.

There are a number of variables that are needed to make the Chatter cut work on 
the Legacy at this time it is not an exact science . (those variables are, 
speed of cut/RPM of the bit, depth of cut from the side/Y axis , and  Speed of 
the motor drive/carriage movement. all have to be the same, to get the good 
results. If one is off the cut will not be consistent.) 

 

C.A.G.

 

On Friday, March 1, 2024 at 06:23:14 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Well however you did it I think it needs more research I think it’s a very 
interesting look 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 1:43 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Feb 5 bone turnings

 

Hello Bill

 

The chatter wave was cut form the side of the work piece, I used the clime 
cutting method, (the router bit is spinning like a car tire on wet pavement)  
Sadly I do not remember the pitch or speed I used at this time.

What I do remember is the chatter happened on the first cut, I liked the look, 
so I repeated all the cut the exact way to repeat this process. 

Here are some more Wave' y cuts that I have made.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Friday, March 1, 2024 at 03:21:38 AM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Nice chatter wave curt what pitch did you set the mill at? And what wave width 
did you set the attachment at? also how many starts? and last what router bit 
did you use to side cut that wave? And what was the blank size? Lots of 
questions I know lol sorry

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 4:25 PM
To: 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Feb 5 bone turnings

 

Hello Everyone. (just got home form work.)

Thank you all for the kind words.

 

Using and Making the Wave attachment is not all that hard to do.

 

I too enjoy the look of the waves, in wood as well as in my bone turnings.

If anyone would like to know more, We can open a posting on the process of 
making

one. With Tim K. Bill, and my self,(who have all made our own versions.) as 
well as a few 

others in the group who own the wave attachment, I'm sure anyone in the group 
could make there

own. The concept of how they work, as well as the simple construction it takes 
to 

make a attachment. Is pretty easy.

 

Just let me know what you all think?

Here are a few photo's of both, works and attachment.

C.A.G.

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 01:48:19 PM EST, 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Beautiful 

Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
 

 

On Thursday, February 29, 2024, 8:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Good morning everyone

Tim here is the photos you asked for.  I hope these photo work for you?

for some reason taking photo's of these bone handles, just don't quite look the 
same as they do by eye.  The cut is .250 of an inch deep (appx. the same depth 
as a piece of paper) the wave off-set is 1/8" with a 3" pitch.

I hope this helps?

 

Have a good day.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 06:35:29 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hey Curt,

 

Those are some extremely nice looking bone handles. 

Thanks for sharing them.  You are truely the Bone turning Master.

Can you take a close up of the one you used the wave attachment

on?  I would like to zoom in on the pattern a little bit closer. 

Great work as always. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 11:45 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Everyone. (Just got home form work.)

Here are some of my latest turnings. 

I am really having a lot of fun with my Legacy.

 

Any question or 

RE: Feb 5 bone turnings

[bulkeley]

Well however you did it I think it needs more research I think it’s a very 
interesting look 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 1:43 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Feb 5 bone turnings

 

Hello Bill

 

The chatter wave was cut form the side of the work piece, I used the clime 
cutting method, (the router bit is spinning like a car tire on wet pavement)  
Sadly I do not remember the pitch or speed I used at this time.

What I do remember is the chatter happened on the first cut, I liked the look, 
so I repeated all the cut the exact way to repeat this process. 

Here are some more Wave' y cuts that I have made.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Friday, March 1, 2024 at 03:21:38 AM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Nice chatter wave curt what pitch did you set the mill at? And what wave width 
did you set the attachment at? also how many starts? and last what router bit 
did you use to side cut that wave? And what was the blank size? Lots of 
questions I know lol sorry

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 4:25 PM
To: 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Feb 5 bone turnings

 

Hello Everyone. (just got home form work.)

Thank you all for the kind words.

 

Using and Making the Wave attachment is not all that hard to do.

 

I too enjoy the look of the waves, in wood as well as in my bone turnings.

If anyone would like to know more, We can open a posting on the process of 
making

one. With Tim K. Bill, and my self,(who have all made our own versions.) as 
well as a few 

others in the group who own the wave attachment, I'm sure anyone in the group 
could make there

own. The concept of how they work, as well as the simple construction it takes 
to 

make a attachment. Is pretty easy.

 

Just let me know what you all think?

Here are a few photo's of both, works and attachment.

C.A.G.

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 01:48:19 PM EST, 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Beautiful 

Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
 

 

On Thursday, February 29, 2024, 8:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Good morning everyone

Tim here is the photos you asked for.  I hope these photo work for you?

for some reason taking photo's of these bone handles, just don't quite look the 
same as they do by eye.  The cut is .250 of an inch deep (appx. the same depth 
as a piece of paper) the wave off-set is 1/8" with a 3" pitch.

I hope this helps?

 

Have a good day.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 06:35:29 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hey Curt,

 

Those are some extremely nice looking bone handles. 

Thanks for sharing them.  You are truely the Bone turning Master.

Can you take a close up of the one you used the wave attachment

on?  I would like to zoom in on the pattern a little bit closer. 

Great work as always. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 11:45 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Everyone. (Just got home form work.)

Here are some of my latest turnings. 

I am really having a lot of fun with my Legacy.

 

Any question or comments are, as always welcome.

I am learning new tricks that are really helping me achieve

my personal best. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Feb 5 bone turnings

[bulkeley]

Nice chatter wave curt what pitch did you set the mill at? And what wave width 
did you set the attachment at? also how many starts? and last what router bit 
did you use to side cut that wave? And what was the blank size? Lots of 
questions I know lol sorry

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 4:25 PM
To: 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Re: Feb 5 bone turnings

 

Hello Everyone. (just got home form work.)

Thank you all for the kind words.

 

Using and Making the Wave attachment is not all that hard to do.

 

I too enjoy the look of the waves, in wood as well as in my bone turnings.

If anyone would like to know more, We can open a posting on the process of 
making

one. With Tim K. Bill, and my self,(who have all made our own versions.) as 
well as a few 

others in the group who own the wave attachment, I'm sure anyone in the group 
could make there

own. The concept of how they work, as well as the simple construction it takes 
to 

make a attachment. Is pretty easy.

 

Just let me know what you all think?

Here are a few photo's of both, works and attachment.

C.A.G.

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 01:48:19 PM EST, 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Beautiful 



Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
 

 

On Thursday, February 29, 2024, 8:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Good morning everyone

Tim here is the photos you asked for.  I hope these photo work for you?

for some reason taking photo's of these bone handles, just don't quite look the 
same as they do by eye.  The cut is .250 of an inch deep (appx. the same depth 
as a piece of paper) the wave off-set is 1/8" with a 3" pitch.

I hope this helps?

 

Have a good day.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 06:35:29 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hey Curt,

 

Those are some extremely nice looking bone handles. 

Thanks for sharing them.  You are truely the Bone turning Master.

Can you take a close up of the one you used the wave attachment

on?  I would like to zoom in on the pattern a little bit closer. 

Great work as always. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 11:45 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Everyone. (Just got home form work.)

Here are some of my latest turnings. 

I am really having a lot of fun with my Legacy.

 

Any question or comments are, as always welcome.

I am learning new tricks that are really helping me achieve

my personal best. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Feb 5 bone turnings

[bulkeley]

try this one i enlarged for you 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:35 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Feb 5 bone turnings

 

Hey Curt,

 

Those are some extremely nice looking bone handles. 

Thanks for sharing them.  You are truely the Bone turning Master.

Can you take a close up of the one you used the wave attachment

on?  I would like to zoom in on the pattern a little bit closer. 

Great work as always. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 11:45 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Everyone. (Just got home form work.)

Here are some of my latest turnings. 

I am really having a lot of fun with my Legacy.

 

Any question or comments are, as always welcome.

I am learning new tricks that are really helping me achieve

my personal best. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Feb 5 bone turnings

[bulkeley]

These are well and truly good enough to sell curt why not make a few bucks from 
them now 

As always fantastic work

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 4:46 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Feb 5 bone turnings

 

Hello Everyone. (Just got home form work.)

Here are some of my latest turnings. 

I am really having a lot of fun with my Legacy.

 

Any question or comments are, as always welcome.

I am learning new tricks that are really helping me achieve

my personal best. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Old Legacy Ad

[bulkeley]

here is a jpg version of it too

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 11:55 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: Old Legacy Ad

 

Hey Tim K,

 

Thanks for sharing. 

 

Tim Z

 

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 5:12 PM Timothy Krause mailto:artmarb...@comcast.net> > wrote:

For those interested in old Legacy stuff, I found a ad in Fine Woodworking 
Sept/Oct 1992.

 



Hopefully this picture is in this email. I've got a new email client.

 

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RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[bulkeley]

Very nice curt I particularly like the lovely even white of the bone,  perhaps 
the flats could be a little more pronounce they are a little hard to see

But other than that a A1 job  very nice.

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

 

Hey Guys.

 

Unless there are some more people talking on this posting, I think I will let 
it drop for the time being.

Today I did another bone turning, that, Over all I am pretty happy with.

 

Bye the way, I counted all my Stainless steel templates that I made over the 
last two weeks, I have 14 templates. I was having so much fun, I forgot how 
many that I made. ;-) This bone turning was made form last 

Thursday's lunch time break, template. 

I roped the center part, and then fluted the two outside beads, and leaving the 
end beads just round.

As I said earlier, I am pretty happy with this one. "Yes" there are some small 
errors in the process but, Perhaps 

I am just to picky with my own work?

"O"Well, I'm having fun. ;-) Another one down, appx. 30 more blanks left to do 
before I run out of bone disks. 

 

Have a good night everyone.

 

C.A.G. 

 

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 09:50:10 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Had the same problem today and yesterday. Tax time and boy its hectic. uffda. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 4:16 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Thank you Bill

 

I got some time in the shop this afternoon. (between grocery shopping and 
laundry. I hate when LIFE get in the way of my wants. ) ;-)

 

More life stuff now.

talk to you more latter.

 

here are the pix.

C.A.G.

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 05:10:38 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Yes very nice video on template following that one an option of the legacy 
quite often overlooked

 

Bill 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 3:45 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

 

Hello Everyone.

I took these photo's out of a Wood Chuck training video, named Profile 
following. They show the template follower being used to make these 5 spindles, 
 The neat thing here is they only used one very simple wooden template to make 
all 5 spindles.

The template is just a general guide you can use it to make a copy of the 
original or use for the general profile to make something different. in the 
last photo you can see that all, are different but  share the same basic shape. 
By using different router bits, and cutting concepts (roping or fluting) the 
look can and will change.

The ribbon twist (second for the right in the last photo.) is the most 

dramatic, this cut was made from cutting form the side, using both a large 
straight fluted cutter, and using a LONG Pitch .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkGSMtixW1c 
 =2s  Bill made this video 
a few years back, showing the concept. 

 

Have a good day.

C.A.G.

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 06:16:50 PM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt.geo...@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hey Jeff,

using the template follower on the Legacy is not hard, but you will have to get 
use to cutting from the side of the work, to make the profiles.

Here are a few Legacy Photo's on this concept.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 03:03:46 PM EST, Jeff Richmond 
mailto:jtrichmo...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Yes, you gave a quick reply within another message but thanks Curt for taking 
the time to provide additional detail. I have not used my Legacy for template 
work but I hope to. 

 

Jeff from Connecticut 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 17, 2024, at 12:16 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Jeff, I thought I replied to you, but after looking an this posting I 
can find the reply.  

Depending on which machine I am using.  both of my Legacy's use a ball bearing 
set ,1/2" as the follower.

My lathe uses different shaped followers depending on the cutter that I am 
using. 

As I see it the Lathe is for exact coping/fine details, where the Legacy is for 
just basic shapes. details can be

added with the Legacy, but those details are done with the router bits profile. 
so as long as my templates are true

to the spindle, they do not need to be beyond just basic shapes.

Note: having said that, I use both machine together on most of my projects.

 

At 

RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[bulkeley]

Yes another good templet video such a shame legacy took them all down from 
their sight years ago

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 4:49 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

 

Sorry guys, Hit the send button by mistake.  Here are the photos.

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 12:44:26 PM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt.geo...@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Thanks Tim.

 

I just made a few more pix. for another Legacy video. On template and pen 
making.

I think I will let the photo's talk for them-selfs. ;-)

 

more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 12:29:41 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Very good illustrations Curt and Bill. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 10:45 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Everyone.

I took these photo's out of a Wood Chuck training video, named Profile 
following. They show the template follower being used to make these 5 spindles, 
 The neat thing here is they only used one very simple wooden template to make 
all 5 spindles.

The template is just a general guide you can use it to make a copy of the 
original or use for the general profile to make something different. in the 
last photo you can see that all, are different but  share the same basic shape. 
By using different router bits, and cutting concepts (roping or fluting) the 
look can and will change.

The ribbon twist (second for the right in the last photo.) is the most 

dramatic, this cut was made from cutting form the side, using both a large 
straight fluted cutter, and using a LONG Pitch .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkGSMtixW1c 
 =2s  Bill made this video 
a few years back, showing the concept. 

 

Have a good day.

C.A.G.

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 06:16:50 PM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt.geo...@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hey Jeff,

using the template follower on the Legacy is not hard, but you will have to get 
use to cutting from the side of the work, to make the profiles.

Here are a few Legacy Photo's on this concept.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 03:03:46 PM EST, Jeff Richmond 
mailto:jtrichmo...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Yes, you gave a quick reply within another message but thanks Curt for taking 
the time to provide additional detail. I have not used my Legacy for template 
work but I hope to. 

 

Jeff from Connecticut 

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 17, 2024, at 12:16 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Jeff, I thought I replied to you, but after looking an this posting I 
can find the reply.  

Depending on which machine I am using.  both of my Legacy's use a ball bearing 
set ,1/2" as the follower.

My lathe uses different shaped followers depending on the cutter that I am 
using. 

As I see it the Lathe is for exact coping/fine details, where the Legacy is for 
just basic shapes. details can be

added with the Legacy, but those details are done with the router bits profile. 
so as long as my templates are true

to the spindle, they do not need to be beyond just basic shapes.

Note: having said that, I use both machine together on most of my projects.

 

At this time, I am using my 200 more then my 1000,  This is because of two 
reasons. First the 200 is made for smaller

turnings, I can cut/rope finer on my 200 then I can do on my 1000 ( note: not 
only size, but the 200 has a finer acme screw drive. 5/8-8 and the 

1000 has a 5/8-4 acmes screw.) But for larger turnings 1000 is the king of the 
shop. and for very large turnings the lathe is the master. 

(I can turn up to 8' on my lathe)  BUT having said that, for what I normally 
do/make in the shop I can use and do use all my tool together to get 

the best quality of workmanship as I can.

I hope this helps explain what I am doing, and answers your questions. 

 

I made another 4 templates over the last two days.

If I can get my shop wormed up today, I hope to be able to be able to play with 
some of these new templates.

Wish me luck. ;-)   and talk to you more later.

 

NOTE: I am adding two pix. of my fine adjustment/template follower that I made 
for my 200

 

Have a good day.

 

C.A.G.

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 8:10:35 AM UTC-5 jtric...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Nice, thanks for sharing Curt.

 

What do you use for a stylus to contact the template?

 

Jeff from Connecticut 

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 

RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[bulkeley]

Yes very nice video on template following that one an option of the legacy 
quite often overlooked

 

Bill 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 3:45 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

 

Hello Everyone.

I took these photo's out of a Wood Chuck training video, named Profile 
following. They show the template follower being used to make these 5 spindles, 
 The neat thing here is they only used one very simple wooden template to make 
all 5 spindles.

The template is just a general guide you can use it to make a copy of the 
original or use for the general profile to make something different. in the 
last photo you can see that all, are different but  share the same basic shape. 
By using different router bits, and cutting concepts (roping or fluting) the 
look can and will change.

The ribbon twist (second for the right in the last photo.) is the most 

dramatic, this cut was made from cutting form the side, using both a large 
straight fluted cutter, and using a LONG Pitch .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkGSMtixW1c 
 =2s  Bill made this video 
a few years back, showing the concept. 

 

Have a good day.

C.A.G.

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 06:16:50 PM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt.geo...@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hey Jeff,

using the template follower on the Legacy is not hard, but you will have to get 
use to cutting from the side of the work, to make the profiles.

Here are a few Legacy Photo's on this concept.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 03:03:46 PM EST, Jeff Richmond 
mailto:jtrichmo...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Yes, you gave a quick reply within another message but thanks Curt for taking 
the time to provide additional detail. I have not used my Legacy for template 
work but I hope to. 

 

Jeff from Connecticut 

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 17, 2024, at 12:16 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Jeff, I thought I replied to you, but after looking an this posting I 
can find the reply.  

Depending on which machine I am using.  both of my Legacy's use a ball bearing 
set ,1/2" as the follower.

My lathe uses different shaped followers depending on the cutter that I am 
using. 

As I see it the Lathe is for exact coping/fine details, where the Legacy is for 
just basic shapes. details can be

added with the Legacy, but those details are done with the router bits profile. 
so as long as my templates are true

to the spindle, they do not need to be beyond just basic shapes.

Note: having said that, I use both machine together on most of my projects.

 

At this time, I am using my 200 more then my 1000,  This is because of two 
reasons. First the 200 is made for smaller

turnings, I can cut/rope finer on my 200 then I can do on my 1000 ( note: not 
only size, but the 200 has a finer acme screw drive. 5/8-8 and the 

1000 has a 5/8-4 acmes screw.) But for larger turnings 1000 is the king of the 
shop. and for very large turnings the lathe is the master. 

(I can turn up to 8' on my lathe)  BUT having said that, for what I normally 
do/make in the shop I can use and do use all my tool together to get 

the best quality of workmanship as I can.

I hope this helps explain what I am doing, and answers your questions. 

 

I made another 4 templates over the last two days.

If I can get my shop wormed up today, I hope to be able to be able to play with 
some of these new templates.

Wish me luck. ;-)   and talk to you more later.

 

NOTE: I am adding two pix. of my fine adjustment/template follower that I made 
for my 200

 

Have a good day.

 

C.A.G.

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 8:10:35 AM UTC-5 jtric...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Nice, thanks for sharing Curt.

 

What do you use for a stylus to contact the template?

 

Jeff from Connecticut 

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hello  Everyone.

 

I had some free time today, so I made these templates for my Legacy, Only one 
has been tested so far, but I do think most of these should work well for my 
uses.

 

I can use these templates on All of my wood working equipment, both of my 
Legacy's as well the lathes I own.

 

Note: I see and use templates not as the final part of turning, but as a 
general guide for basic shaping of my spindles.

 

Making stainless steel templates is not all that hard, by using an abrasive 
cutting wheel, and some hand files + a wire wheel to remove any burs...  the 
process is pretty easy. (If anyone wants to know more, Please ask.)

Tomorrow I hope to be able to try some of these out on some of my bone turning.

Have a good night everyone.

 

C.A.G.

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RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[bulkeley]

Cardboard Assisted  really I never knew that lol

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 1:21 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

 

Good morning Tim.

 

"Auto Cad".  When I started, the meaning of CAD was ,Cardboard Assisted  . 
(Isn't is funny how meanings change over the years?) ;-p

 

Have a great day.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 06:46:39 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Great description Curt. I too have 20 plus years of designing and making 
templates. Many by hand, but in the end

most were drawn in AutoCad then cut out on a small CNC template machine. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 11:55 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello and Good evening everyone. (I just got home form work.)

 

I was asked about these templates that I was making, And I thought 

others might also like to hear more on this topic.

First off, the ones that I am making today are stainless steel, but in the past 
I 

made and used many other materials, I have wood, plastic, and metal templates 
that I 

have both bought and made.

The bought templates are both plastic and metal. Pen State are the only company 
that I 

know of today that still sell templates for turning. but in the past there were 
more.

I think the CNC world has all but destroyed that part of the industry, 
Templates were the poor 

man's CNC. to make copies of parts for many woodworkers (in all fields not just 
wood turning.) 

 

I see the template as a general guide only, I am not looking for fine details 
in my templates, only 

the general shapes are what I want.  The details I choose to add with my Legacy 
and or turned by hand,

this give my work a homemade/custom quality , but also lets me have the finer  
look of a production

quality, that many people today are looking for.

 

When I start, I always start with the centerline of the part. This centerline 
is where I not only start to draw 

from, but its also this line is were I align my templates and machines so 
everything works together. this is why

every template has a flat on both edges, those edges are/is the center line of 
the part. (made for easy alignment.) On my lathe and Legacy, this center line 
is the center points of the tailstock and headstock.

all measurements are taken form this point.

These stainless steel templates are made for my bone turning handles that I 
like to make today. I am limited

to the measurement of the handle I make. those are.  3 3/4" long x 1/2" tall 
(remember the spindles are originally  7/8" dia. round, so just under 1/2" is 
the dia. will be my max, size for my cuts.)

As a General note. these templates are for small work, if the spindle is larger 
then what I want to make the template too will also have to be modified, if I 
choose to use it. This leads to the need of having many different templates. At 
this time, I have appx. 300 templates hanging in my shop. (I only have one 
photo, at this time, it is of one of my three racks that hold some of my 
templates.) In the photo there are wood, Corian, and plastic templates that I 
made on a laser a few years ago.  Many of these templates range form stair case 
parts, finals, and other wood turning design patterns that I wanted to make 
over the years.

I have a rack in the rafters of my shop which has many table legs and spindles 
form side jobs. fully made parts that I used as templates in my early days of 
wood working.

 

Back to the topic. 

If you are only looking for a general shape and key points, that have to be 
copied, templates are an easy way to maintain quality and to increase speed in 
production.

Today I find it fun, and easy to make templates when needed. these stainless 
steel templates that I have shown. only take me appx. 20 min. form start to 
finish. (the pic. of the Stainless steel templates are to show how simple the 
designs can be, as well as the size of these templates.)

 

If you have more questions, Please let me know.

Have a good night everyone.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:05:10 PM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt.geo...@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I too enjoy using the Wave attachment.  

I normally stay small, but Large is So very cool! 

Those are great photo's.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 06:01:07 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

With my wav I can even make waves like these I love it best mod so many 
variations it can do

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 

RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[bulkeley]

The wav attachment best mod we ever came up with

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 9:08 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

 

Hey Mac

 

Yes you are right Stainless Steel is not easy to work with. using most hand 
tools.

But with a hand angle grinder and an abrasive wheel, Plus a pedestal grinder 
with both a grinding wheel and wire brush and a few files.(for fine detail 
work.) working with these scrap steel pieces was not all that hard to do. Each 
template took something like 20 min. to make.(+/-)

As I start getting more use to do this kind of stuff by hand again, I am hoping 
the quality of my work will also improve?

 

I just made one more turning today.

This one is template work, with the Wave Attachment and the Legacy.

 

More latter.

 

Have a good day.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 03:21:13 PM EST, M.W.Foscue 
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Curtis,

 

Would it not have been easier to use pieces of scrap 2x2 angle iron or a steel 
window lintel from a house being renovated?

You may be able to fined scrap steel at a local "Habitat for Humanity 
Re-store". (One of my favorite places to check out once or twice a month.)

I have never tried cutting stainless - but have tried to drill it - and that's 
a real bear!  Much easier to drill angle iron.

 

Mac

  _  

  _  

-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: Feb 12, 2024 2:32 PM
To: 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

Hello Peter. 

 

Its been a while since we last talked.

 

The stainless steel for most of these templates are form an old kitchen sink 
that was being thrown away.

but stainless steel cabinets and or shelves are too always open for projects 
for me. when I can find

them. 

Take care.  (and keep in touch.) ;-)

 

C.A.G.

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On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 01:06:33 PM EST, 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 

Nice work Curt 

Where did you source the stainless?

Peter

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Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
 

 

On Monday, February 12, 2024, 12:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

Hello  Everyone.

 

I had some free time today, so I made these templates for my Legacy, Only one 
has been tested so far, but I do think most of these should work well for my 
uses.

 

I can use these templates on All of my wood working equipment, both of my 
Legacy's as well the lathes I own.

 

Note: I see and use templates not as the final part of turning, but as a 
general guide for basic shaping of my spindles.

 

Making stainless steel templates is not all that hard, by using an abrasive 
cutting wheel, and some hand files + a wire wheel to remove any burs...  the 
process is pretty easy. (If anyone wants to know more, Please ask.)

Tomorrow I hope to be able to try some of these out on some of my bone turning.

Have a good night everyone.

 

C.A.G.

 

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RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[bulkeley]

As always curt beautiful work I do love your bone milling and I see how the 
templates work well to get the great shapes well done buddy

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 6:47 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

 

Hey Guys.  Just got done playing with one of these templates.

As you can see, its not an exact copy, but with the use of a template 

I can rope on an tapper with no problems.

bye the use of using a template with the Legacy, allows me to enjoy the 
adventure

of using my Legacy to its fullest.

Legacy quote, "Legacy where your only limitation, is your imagination".  (AND I 
have an 

very active Imagination.) ;-)

 

talk to you all more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 02:32:21 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello Peter. 

 

Its been a while since we last talked.

 

The stainless steel for most of these templates are form an old kitchen sink 
that was being thrown away.

but stainless steel cabinets and or shelves are too always open for projects 
for me. when I can find

them. 

Take care.  (and keep in touch.) ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 01:06:33 PM EST, 'parr...@aol.com' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Nice work Curt

Where did you source the stainless?

Peter 



Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
 

 

On Monday, February 12, 2024, 12:44 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello  Everyone.

 

I had some free time today, so I made these templates for my Legacy, Only one 
has been tested so far, but I do think most of these should work well for my 
uses.

 

I can use these templates on All of my wood working equipment, both of my 
Legacy's as well the lathes I own.

 

Note: I see and use templates not as the final part of turning, but as a 
general guide for basic shaping of my spindles.

 

Making stainless steel templates is not all that hard, by using an abrasive 
cutting wheel, and some hand files + a wire wheel to remove any burs...  the 
process is pretty easy. (If anyone wants to know more, Please ask.)

Tomorrow I hope to be able to try some of these out on some of my bone turning.

Have a good night everyone.

 

C.A.G.

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RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[bulkeley]

I’m seeing all the great stuff you guys are doing I’m getting shop withdrawal 
lol its so dam hot here and looks like no letup for all of February it’s just

Too hot in the shop right now

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 10:55 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

 

Hey Curt,

 

They look like they turned out pretty cool .

Nice job. No reason they won't work for sure. 

Great work.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 11:44 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello  Everyone.

 

I had some free time today, so I made these templates for my Legacy, Only one 
has been tested so far, but I do think most of these should work well for my 
uses.

 

I can use these templates on All of my wood working equipment, both of my 
Legacy's as well the lathes I own.

 

Note: I see and use templates not as the final part of turning, but as a 
general guide for basic shaping of my spindles.

 

Making stainless steel templates is not all that hard, by using an abrasive 
cutting wheel, and some hand files + a wire wheel to remove any burs...  the 
process is pretty easy. (If anyone wants to know more, Please ask.)

Tomorrow I hope to be able to try some of these out on some of my bone turning.

Have a good night everyone.

 

C.A.G.

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RE: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

[bulkeley]

Nice curt some new shapes for your small work right? 

 

Bill

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 4:44 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: New hand made Stainless Steel templates

 

Hello  Everyone.

 

I had some free time today, so I made these templates for my Legacy, Only one 
has been tested so far, but I do think most of these should work well for my 
uses.

 

I can use these templates on All of my wood working equipment, both of my 
Legacy's as well the lathes I own.

 

Note: I see and use templates not as the final part of turning, but as a 
general guide for basic shaping of my spindles.

 

Making stainless steel templates is not all that hard, by using an abrasive 
cutting wheel, and some hand files + a wire wheel to remove any burs...  the 
process is pretty easy. (If anyone wants to know more, Please ask.)

Tomorrow I hope to be able to try some of these out on some of my bone turning.

Have a good night everyone.

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Bowl I turned

[bulkeley]

very nice those easywood tools do do a nice job well done buddy

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 10:48 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Bowl I turned

 

Good morning, 

 

Not a LOM project, but could be. 

Here's a shallow bowl I turned on my Lathe.

Used all Easy Wood Tools Carbide insert tools. Species of wood I'll need to 
look up. 

Bought the blank from Cook Woods.

Softer light wood. Good safe wax finish.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Tim J Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork and Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

 

 

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RE: New bone turning FEB24

[bulkeley]

Yea Curt is our bone man lol

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Ed Trevillian
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 2:20 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New bone turning FEB24

 

Curt,

That is outstanding!

Ed Trevillian

 

On Mon, Feb 5, 2024, 6:28 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Hello everyone.

the camera just dose not show up the details of this.

Here is one more.

 

C.A.G.

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 06:19:23 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
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Hello Everyone.

 

I found some time in the shop today. So I figured that its been a while

since I last turned a bone handle.

This turning started off as a three start rope , but after I decided to off-set 
it some and make it into a 9 start rope. So what we have is, A three large rope 
cut with 6 smaller off-set ropes in between, all done on a tapered handle.

Let me know what you think?

 

C.A.G.

 

 

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RE: New bone turning FEB24

[bulkeley]

I had already saved the pic and enlarged it to see the details better from 
Curts first post 

And like I said as always I love it another great one from the bone man

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 11:07 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New bone turning FEB24

 

Yes much closer pix and it does show up much better. 

Nice job. Thanks for sharing. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 5:28 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Hello everyone.

the camera just dose not show up the details of this.

Here is one more.

 

C.A.G.

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 06:19:23 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello Everyone.

 

I found some time in the shop today. So I figured that its been a while

since I last turned a bone handle.

This turning started off as a three start rope , but after I decided to off-set 
it some and make it into a 9 start rope. So what we have is, A three large rope 
cut with 6 smaller off-set ropes in between, all done on a tapered handle.

Let me know what you think?

 

C.A.G.

 

 

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RE: New bone turning FEB24

[bulkeley]

As always I really like it

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 10:19 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: New bone turning FEB24

 

Hello Everyone.

 

I found some time in the shop today. So I figured that its been a while

since I last turned a bone handle.

This turning started off as a three start rope , but after I decided to off-set 
it some and make it into a 9 start rope. So what we have is, A three large rope 
cut with 6 smaller off-set ropes in between, all done on a tapered handle.

Let me know what you think?

 

C.A.G.

 

 

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RE: cheapskate Z-axis

[bulkeley]

I like the foot idea

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2024 2:33 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: cheapskate Z-axis

 

what about using your foot?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 8:31 AM cdkr...@gmail.com   
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The WoodRat is where the original idea came from.  I almost pulled the trigger 
on one

of those, but I held out for the LOM. My application involves 3 pieces, a pivot 
pin on the

router shell, a bent rod hooked into the hole for edge guide, and a handle bar 
bored with

holes spaced to let the handle go full range of plunge.  I have to release the 
plunge lock

with one hand while plunging with the other for now.  It works much better than 
plunging

with the knobs for me. 

I can see potential for following a template with the plunge bar, but, you 
know, baby steps.

DanK

 

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

yup and Lee Valley has or had a good idea too.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 11:15 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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wrote:

Hey Dan.

 

I like it.  

This idea has popped up a few times over the years.(If you want to check the 
archives?)

The Wood-Rat system started off this idea yrs back, with there cam router 
plunge bar design.  

 

Your design looks nice. Cant wait to hear how well it works.

Do you have some way to over-ride the router locking bar? or is that not needed?

 

C.A.G.

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 10:06:02 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Yeah I was going to incorporate a foot pedal for it. Lee Valley had one at one 
time.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:54 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Yes I too will be watching with great interest

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2024 1:50 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: cheapskate Z-axis

 

Yeah, let me know how that progresses. I was going to do the same thing one 
time.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 4:30 PM cdkr...@gmail.com   
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Had an idea out of the blue motivated by difficulty with last project on REVO 
and inspired by next project.  I'm going to decorate a turned and carved vase 
and wanted a way to easily push the router down to stop because the plan will 
involve a lot of up and down.  We'll see how it develops.

  

 

 

DanK

 

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[bulkeley]

I see legacy has a new web sight if anyone is interested
https://legacywoodworking.com/

 

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RE: wood lathe fall away tail stock

[bulkeley]

Very easy you can do it easy with one finger the jig is spring assisted you can 
see the spring on the right hand side if you look closely

As the video is playing also lowering it you can see I’m only using just my 
fingers on one hand 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 4:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock

 

Hey Bill

 

I like that! Good job on this one.

 

How much weight is that device? (I mean how much weight is the tailstock 
tilting?) is it easy to move?

Looks Awesome.

 

thank you for sharing.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:50:18 AM EST, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short video 
of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would

Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down and 
away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like

Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY 
 

 

Bill

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RE: Oval jig video

[bulkeley]

Ok so for those who don’t want to make curts oval jig here is a way of milling 
an oval with just a rotary table and lots of math

Dan you will love this lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSEPDHyr1LY 
 
_channel=JoePie its in metal but it could be done in wood too 

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig video

 

Hello everyone.  (just got home form work.)

 

Thank you Dan for the kind words.

The Funny/Ironic part about your video is that set-up was the first one that I 
made for my Legacy (year back.) To make a long story short, I worked, but not 
well, for me. I do believe that there is some commentary in our archives, but 
that's ancient history now.

I think my new version should work out well for me? But time will tell.

 

As a Side note. I too have another Pet project, that will be working on your 
design elements like the spirograph you mentioned. (but one thing at a time. ) 
(ovals before patterns.) ;-)

 

Have a good night.

talk to you all more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 10:19:55 AM EST, cdkr...@gmail.com 
  mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > 
wrote: 

 

 

I'm gonna stick my neck out here to repeat what I've said before 

at the risk of disturbing Curt.  Now don't get me wrong hereI love 

what Curt has done because without his realizing it yet, he has opened 

a door to a world of complex designs.  Think spirograph. And he has 

accomplished his goal of making elliptical picture frames.  And 

combinations thereof.  His effort is NOT in vain!  He has successfully

navigated through a complex field and reduced it to a workable simplicity.

 

If you are looking just to do something simple like make elliptical picture 

frames or turn elliptical bowls or platters on a low profile trammel this 

can be done using principles from Archimedes trammel that does not 

need gears. The hard part is to envision how to translate that motion 

to a rotary table under a router.  I recognize that this video 
  shows exactly 

that, and I have confirmed through animated drawings that this principle 

will work on the LOM rotary table. 

 

Furthermore, the profile can be greatly reduced using T slots or dovetails 

for accurate sliding for a total height  under 2" using 3/4" material above 

the metal rotary table.

 

The principle behind this is that there are two slots guiding captive sliders.

Usually the two slots are permanently at right angles and stationary while 

the arm moves.  On the rotary table, the "slots" or sliders are at right angles

and  rotate with the table around a stationary off center pin while the "arm" 

(router) is also stationary. Granted, it takes awhile to envision and some 

props help.  I'm in the middle of a project now but this is definitely on the 

table for the REVO.  And there is the ball turner project ahead of this, too!

 

I'm really anxious to see the possibilities evolve through Curts efforts. 

Go Curt!  I'm cheering for ya!

DanK

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 6:43:59 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Thanks Curt. not sure that would be me though lol. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 10:40 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4c_yFmaHso 
 =9s Foster Geisman video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX12OFJHQlg David Springett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAoM-CRZBNY Elliptical Chuck project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4YseqnjWjs Tim2Dl...' Oval Elliptical turning 
mill. (NOTE: he used a bike chain and a gear to turn his machine.)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjaBYsAlwGc  Device for turning Elliptical 
turning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSiD7lL8P_k  Planetary gear- elliptical ...

All of these video pointed in the right direction. But seeing the last two 
offered me a way to make it work on the Legacy.

 

Now that the problem has been solved, It's up to your guys to tweak it and make 
a better working version for yourselves. ;-) 

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:17:26 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

HI Tim

 

Spending on this project??? (most of it was re-work from the trash bin.)

The Linear bearing (Amazon) were $38.00 .

The Alum. plate $7.00

 

That's it.

the concept came form a long time of studying.  

I have been trying to make this type of jig for appx. 6 yrs. 

I saw a video of Foster Geisman's Ornamental oval works, on You tube.

I 

RE: wood lathe fall away tail stock

[bulkeley]

At least yours will just bolt on no modifying like I had to do 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2024 10:54 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wood lathe fall away tail stock

 

Hey Bill,

 

Very good looks like that works extremely great. 

I have gone back and forth on purchasing one for my lathe too. 

Like you said when you have other things to take off and on it's nice to have 
it swing away.

Great work on the install too. 

Thanks for the video and the share. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 12:50 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short video 
of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would

Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down and 
away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like

Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY 
 

 

Bill

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wood lathe fall away tail stock

[bulkeley]

Ok this is not legacy but I promised a few of the guys privately a short
video of my fall away tail stock. Its such a good idea I thought I would

Share it with everyone I like this type the best because it swings down and
away leaving lots of room to slide other things that hang out like

Steady rests which are difficult with ones that just hinge out sideways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb62MoG-KY
 

 

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RE: 5 tools

[bulkeley]

Neat find Tim some handy jigs 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 11:28 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: 5 tools

 

Here is a great video I thought I would share.

I was pretty impressed.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b78o-hAHqtM




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

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RE: Watch "Make Wood Threads with this Amazing Router Jig!" on YouTube

[bulkeley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_l3gTZLkOc 
 
_channel=aussiman77181

 

not the best of videos it was a long time ago when I made these not even drive 
motors on my mill all hand cranking 

 

here is a smaller one made on my revo  
https://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/bolts/index.html

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 10:56 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Watch "Make Wood Threads with this Amazing Router Jig!" on YouTube

 

Yes I totally agree, I was hoping you were going to show your Bolt and nut as I 
am not sure he saw it.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 12:05 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Think I will stick to doing them with the legacy 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:02 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Watch "Make Wood Threads with this Amazing Router Jig!" on YouTube

 

Good stuff.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

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https://youtu.be/pCDmwz91phM

 

 

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RE: Watch "Make Wood Threads with this Amazing Router Jig!" on YouTube

[bulkeley]

Think I will stick to doing them with the legacy 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:02 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Watch "Make Wood Threads with this Amazing Router Jig!" on YouTube

 

Good stuff.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

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https://youtu.be/pCDmwz91phM

 

 

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RE: Oval jig video

[bulkeley]

Can you take a pic of that some time to show me

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 9:58 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig video

 

under the table I have a bracket that hooks up to the base. I do not have a 
photo of this. (YET)

but the Sun Gear cannot move although the table dose. the planate gear is 
attached to the table, so the planate gear turns. (like our world dose as it 
moves around the sun.)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 05:43:58 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

So I see the shaft attached to the sun gear but how is the shaft attached to 
the base so it wont turn as the table rotates 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 8:52 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Oval jig video

 

I am very happy to hear that Bill.

 

For me the Trick was to make the Sun Gear, so it moves/dose not move, with the 
table turning.  As you can see in the photo, there is a ball bearing seat with 
a rod that runs through the table, the gear is pinned under the table so it 
will not move with the table as it turns.

 

If there is anything that I can do to help, just ask.

 

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 03:58:17 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

This is the best legacy mod since the wave attachment I love it, the 
possibilities are endless fantastic curt I’m going to build one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 4:36 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Oval jig video

 

Hello Everyone.

Thanks Bill for posting this.

I hope everyone enjoys the video?

the oval jig is both complex and simple at the same time.

 

The Planetary gear concept is what makes this jig work.

The "Sun" gear is stationary (it dose NOT move when the table moves.) The 
planate gear moves around the Sun. This planate gear has a adjustable pivot 
point which makes the table move as the gears rotate. 

 

I Hope you all enjoy this video, Hopefully you all will try to make something 
like this for your self's.   

Please let me know what you think?  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR8ZwCHfv6Q

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Oval jig video

[bulkeley]

So I see the shaft attached to the sun gear but how is the shaft attached to 
the base so it wont turn as the table rotates 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 8:52 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig video

 

I am very happy to hear that Bill.

 

For me the Trick was to make the Sun Gear, so it moves/dose not move, with the 
table turning.  As you can see in the photo, there is a ball bearing seat with 
a rod that runs through the table, the gear is pinned under the table so it 
will not move with the table as it turns.

 

If there is anything that I can do to help, just ask.

 

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 03:58:17 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

This is the best legacy mod since the wave attachment I love it, the 
possibilities are endless fantastic curt I’m going to build one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 4:36 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Oval jig video

 

Hello Everyone.

Thanks Bill for posting this.

I hope everyone enjoys the video?

the oval jig is both complex and simple at the same time.

 

The Planetary gear concept is what makes this jig work.

The "Sun" gear is stationary (it dose NOT move when the table moves.) The 
planate gear moves around the Sun. This planate gear has a adjustable pivot 
point which makes the table move as the gears rotate. 

 

I Hope you all enjoy this video, Hopefully you all will try to make something 
like this for your self's.   

Please let me know what you think?  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR8ZwCHfv6Q

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Oval jig video

[bulkeley]

In sure I will be asking many question as time goes by, I am going to look at 
possibilities of a lower profile to allow higher projects like bowls

And possible larger diameter work like platters that can fit under the rails 
all this is swirling around in my mind lol

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 8:52 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig video

 

I am very happy to hear that Bill.

 

For me the Trick was to make the Sun Gear, so it moves/dose not move, with the 
table turning.  As you can see in the photo, there is a ball bearing seat with 
a rod that runs through the table, the gear is pinned under the table so it 
will not move with the table as it turns.

 

If there is anything that I can do to help, just ask.

 

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 03:58:17 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

This is the best legacy mod since the wave attachment I love it, the 
possibilities are endless fantastic curt I’m going to build one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 4:36 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Oval jig video

 

Hello Everyone.

Thanks Bill for posting this.

I hope everyone enjoys the video?

the oval jig is both complex and simple at the same time.

 

The Planetary gear concept is what makes this jig work.

The "Sun" gear is stationary (it dose NOT move when the table moves.) The 
planate gear moves around the Sun. This planate gear has a adjustable pivot 
point which makes the table move as the gears rotate. 

 

I Hope you all enjoy this video, Hopefully you all will try to make something 
like this for your self's.   

Please let me know what you think?  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR8ZwCHfv6Q

 

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RE: Oval jig video

[bulkeley]

This is the best legacy mod since the wave attachment I love it, the 
possibilities are endless fantastic curt I’m going to build one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 4:36 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Oval jig video

 

Hello Everyone.

Thanks Bill for posting this.

I hope everyone enjoys the video?

the oval jig is both complex and simple at the same time.

 

The Planetary gear concept is what makes this jig work.

The "Sun" gear is stationary (it dose NOT move when the table moves.) The 
planate gear moves around the Sun. This planate gear has a adjustable pivot 
point which makes the table move as the gears rotate. 

 

I Hope you all enjoy this video, Hopefully you all will try to make something 
like this for your self's.   

Please let me know what you think?  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR8ZwCHfv6Q

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Split nut tap

[bulkeley]

Well I didn’t know that thank you

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Porter
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 5:55 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Hi Bill

 

I spoke with Legacy this morning and they made their own lead screws and they 
were indeed square profile threads. This would make sense as the trapezoid 
profile would push the screw out of engagement with a load.  If I had access to 
a lathe I would make a thread chaser tool to rework the profile of my half nuts 
made with the standard acme tap

 

Anybody got a piece of lead screw floating around?

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

Tim and Cathy Porter

1902 Dandridge St  Apt 7

Sun City Center. FL 33573

815-861-1505





On Jan 22, 2024, at 12:25 PM, Tim Porter mailto:imatheb...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Got me.   Not sure where the machine came from, as it is far older than anyone 
here knows about but since we have the owners manual and stuff I am thinking it 
was purchased new.  I don’t believe anyone would have changed out the lead 
screws and I am pretty sure they have a square profile.  I will double check it 
when I go back in Wednesday.  I am going to reach out to Legacy to see if they 
can shed any light on it.   I am also going to put a notice on this board to 
see if someone had a piece of lead screw on hand.

 

 

Sent from my iPad

 

Tim and Cathy Porter

1902 Dandridge St  D7

Sun City Center FL 33573

 

 

H. 813-419-4169

C. 815-861-1505





On Jan 22, 2024, at 12:05 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  wrote:



As far as I know legacy never made a square thread leadscrew I didn’t notice 
that in your pics where did that leadscrew come from ?

One of the members might have one they could sell to you to make it right or 
there are places that sell it I believe 

 

Bill

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Porter
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 3:45 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

I took a closer look this morning while at the Woodshop and my half nuts were 
made with a tap that has trapezoid thread form, like a standard acme.  The lead 
screw has square thread form, like a buttress thread.  I am going to consult my 
Machinery Handbook to find what is needed. But the difference between the two 
profiles is preventing the half nuts I had made from fully engaging. Diameters 
and lead are correct.  When I obtain the proper tap, I should be able to 
rethread my current blocks and be good to go.   BTW there is no reason these 
half nuts couldn’t be made from hard maple.

 

 

Sent from my iPad

 

Tim and Cathy Porter

1902 Dandridge St  D7

Sun City Center FL 33573

 

 

H. 813-419-4169

C. 815-861-1505






On Jan 22, 2024, at 7:04 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com   
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I bought a tap during the original discussion, but haven't used it yet.  Now 
I'm hafta check.

DanK

 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:59:13 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Looks good Bill and does look like the same company I bought from. I will try 
to look it up in my history too. But they sure worked great.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 10:03 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175270225800?hash=item28ceeb6788:g:zNUAAOSwGk5f4Z1a 

 =enc%

 

this is the tap I would buy it looks like the one I bought but it is a 
trapezoidal tap so it will be 30 degrees and not 29 but because your tapping

Delrin not metal there is a bit of leeway finding the exact correct one is 
almost impossible I looked for 10 years and of course you don’t know till you 
try it that it will work with a possible bad batch out there, I had to do that 
I took a chance and it worked, one last thing the recommended tapping drill

Is a little small for Delrin and one degree out so 7/16 is what I used and it 
allows for the strange cutting properties of the Delrin. But all this is just 
what I would do you all must make up your own minds here is some Delrin I 
tapped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOUW3xblB_4 
 
_channel=aussiman77181

 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of bulk...@mmnet.com.au  
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 2:05 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  

RE: Split nut tap

[bulkeley]

As far as I know legacy never made a square thread leadscrew I didn’t notice 
that in your pics where did that leadscrew come from ?

One of the members might have one they could sell to you to make it right or 
there are places that sell it I believe 

 

Bill

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Porter
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 3:45 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

I took a closer look this morning while at the Woodshop and my half nuts were 
made with a tap that has trapezoid thread form, like a standard acme.  The lead 
screw has square thread form, like a buttress thread.  I am going to consult my 
Machinery Handbook to find what is needed. But the difference between the two 
profiles is preventing the half nuts I had made from fully engaging. Diameters 
and lead are correct.  When I obtain the proper tap, I should be able to 
rethread my current blocks and be good to go.   BTW there is no reason these 
half nuts couldn’t be made from hard maple.

 

 

Sent from my iPad

 

Tim and Cathy Porter

1902 Dandridge St  D7

Sun City Center FL 33573

 

 

H. 813-419-4169

C. 815-861-1505





On Jan 22, 2024, at 7:04 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com   
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I bought a tap during the original discussion, but haven't used it yet.  Now 
I'm hafta check.

DanK

 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:59:13 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Looks good Bill and does look like the same company I bought from. I will try 
to look it up in my history too. But they sure worked great.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 10:03 PM  wrote:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175270225800?hash=item28ceeb6788:g:zNUAAOSwGk5f4Z1a 

 =enc%

 

this is the tap I would buy it looks like the one I bought but it is a 
trapezoidal tap so it will be 30 degrees and not 29 but because your tapping

Delrin not metal there is a bit of leeway finding the exact correct one is 
almost impossible I looked for 10 years and of course you don’t know till you 
try it that it will work with a possible bad batch out there, I had to do that 
I took a chance and it worked, one last thing the recommended tapping drill

Is a little small for Delrin and one degree out so 7/16 is what I used and it 
allows for the strange cutting properties of the Delrin. But all this is just 
what I would do you all must make up your own minds here is some Delrin I 
tapped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOUW3xblB_4 
 
_channel=aussiman77181

 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of bulk...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 2:05 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Split nut tap

 

So here is what I think, 4 threads per inch is 0.25000 of an inch pitch in 
metric that’s 6.350 mm so they might have made the tap at 6mm pitch which is 
4.23 threads per inch and that will never fit our acme lead screws. That’s my 2 
cents worth lol

 

Bill

 

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of bulk...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 1:44 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Split nut tap

 

Here you go curt 
https://www.rolledthreads.com/what-is-the-difference-between-acme-and-trapezoidal-threads

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:55 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Hey Bill

 

Its been a while, I have two Acme screw taps (5/8-4 and One 5/8-8 tap) My first 
tap was a home made tap. 

I used a short piece of an Legacy Acme screw to make the tap. the other I 
bought on the web. some years back. (I wasn't aware there were a different 
thread angle. I guess I just got lucky?)

 

I was wondering if these home made split nuts made by Tim P. could be 
re-molded. or if it would be a waist of time?

 

HEY. Tim P.  If you like, Send me the plastic, and I can try to cut them for 
you. 

I know that taps that I own fit my Legacy. If you can send me the part, I will 
tap it and send it back to you.  

Send me a private E-mail at curt@yahoo.com  and I will GIVE you the mailing 
info.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 08:34:39 PM EST,  wrote: 

 

 

I don’t know if I could find them again at the time I showed everybody the 
right one but I didn’t get much

Interest so I didn’t bother keeping track only you me and curt bought them if I 
remember

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:00 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Curt he simply needs a 

RE: Split nut tap

[bulkeley]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175270225800?hash=item28ceeb6788:g:zNUAAOSwGk5f4Z1a 

 =enc%

 

this is the tap I would buy it looks like the one I bought but it is a 
trapezoidal tap so it will be 30 degrees and not 29 but because your tapping

Delrin not metal there is a bit of leeway finding the exact correct one is 
almost impossible I looked for 10 years and of course you don’t know till you 
try it that it will work with a possible bad batch out there, I had to do that 
I took a chance and it worked, one last thing the recommended tapping drill

Is a little small for Delrin and one degree out so 7/16 is what I used and it 
allows for the strange cutting properties of the Delrin. But all this is just 
what I would do you all must make up your own minds here is some Delrin I 
tapped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOUW3xblB_4 
 
_channel=aussiman77181

 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 2:05 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Split nut tap

 

So here is what I think, 4 threads per inch is 0.25000 of an inch pitch in 
metric that’s 6.350 mm so they might have made the tap at 6mm pitch which is 
4.23 threads per inch and that will never fit our acme lead screws. That’s my 2 
cents worth lol

 

Bill

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au  
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 1:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: Split nut tap

 

Here you go curt 
https://www.rolledthreads.com/what-is-the-difference-between-acme-and-trapezoidal-threads

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:55 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Hey Bill

 

Its been a while, I have two Acme screw taps (5/8-4 and One 5/8-8 tap) My first 
tap was a home made tap. 

I used a short piece of an Legacy Acme screw to make the tap. the other I 
bought on the web. some years back. (I wasn't aware there were a different 
thread angle. I guess I just got lucky?)

 

I was wondering if these home made split nuts made by Tim P. could be 
re-molded. or if it would be a waist of time?

 

HEY. Tim P.  If you like, Send me the plastic, and I can try to cut them for 
you. 

I know that taps that I own fit my Legacy. If you can send me the part, I will 
tap it and send it back to you.  

Send me a private E-mail at curt.geo...@yahoo.com 
   and I will GIVE you the mailing info.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 08:34:39 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

I don’t know if I could find them again at the time I showed everybody the 
right one but I didn’t get much

Interest so I didn’t bother keeping track only you me and curt bought them if I 
remember

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:00 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Curt he simply needs a tap like ours so it matches the acme thread. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:34 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Tim

 

Your problem doesn't sound right?

Can you explain what is happening with these split nuts? Or perhaps show a 
photo of your set-up? 

 

I would really like to help you. but I need to know/see the problem...

 

Dose the split nut fit the shaft if you lay it on the acme screw?  Perhaps it 
was cut slightly off???

 

more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 04:29:45 PM EST, Tim Porter 
mailto:imatheb...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi Folks

 

I had two pair of split nuts made using a standard 5/8”-4 acme tap and for some 
reason it doesn’t quite fit the lead screw.  I have checked it near the end of 
the shaft where there is no chance of wear.  It’s like the lead is off a few 
thousands of an inch or the thread width of the tap is just a little too big.  
Driving me bonkers.  Anyone had issues with making new half nuts?

 

Thanks. 

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RE: Split nut tap

[bulkeley]

So here is what I think, 4 threads per inch is 0.25000 of an inch pitch in 
metric that’s 6.350 mm so they might have made the tap at 6mm pitch which is 
4.23 threads per inch and that will never fit our acme lead screws. That’s my 2 
cents worth lol

 

Bill

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 1:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Split nut tap

 

Here you go curt 
https://www.rolledthreads.com/what-is-the-difference-between-acme-and-trapezoidal-threads

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:55 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Hey Bill

 

Its been a while, I have two Acme screw taps (5/8-4 and One 5/8-8 tap) My first 
tap was a home made tap. 

I used a short piece of an Legacy Acme screw to make the tap. the other I 
bought on the web. some years back. (I wasn't aware there were a different 
thread angle. I guess I just got lucky?)

 

I was wondering if these home made split nuts made by Tim P. could be 
re-molded. or if it would be a waist of time?

 

HEY. Tim P.  If you like, Send me the plastic, and I can try to cut them for 
you. 

I know that taps that I own fit my Legacy. If you can send me the part, I will 
tap it and send it back to you.  

Send me a private E-mail at curt.geo...@yahoo.com 
   and I will GIVE you the mailing info.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 08:34:39 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

I don’t know if I could find them again at the time I showed everybody the 
right one but I didn’t get much

Interest so I didn’t bother keeping track only you me and curt bought them if I 
remember

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:00 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Curt he simply needs a tap like ours so it matches the acme thread. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:34 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Tim

 

Your problem doesn't sound right?

Can you explain what is happening with these split nuts? Or perhaps show a 
photo of your set-up? 

 

I would really like to help you. but I need to know/see the problem...

 

Dose the split nut fit the shaft if you lay it on the acme screw?  Perhaps it 
was cut slightly off???

 

more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 04:29:45 PM EST, Tim Porter 
mailto:imatheb...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi Folks

 

I had two pair of split nuts made using a standard 5/8”-4 acme tap and for some 
reason it doesn’t quite fit the lead screw.  I have checked it near the end of 
the shaft where there is no chance of wear.  It’s like the lead is off a few 
thousands of an inch or the thread width of the tap is just a little too big.  
Driving me bonkers.  Anyone had issues with making new half nuts?

 

Thanks. 

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RE: Split nut tap

[bulkeley]

Here you go curt 
https://www.rolledthreads.com/what-is-the-difference-between-acme-and-trapezoidal-threads

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:55 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Hey Bill

 

Its been a while, I have two Acme screw taps (5/8-4 and One 5/8-8 tap) My first 
tap was a home made tap. 

I used a short piece of an Legacy Acme screw to make the tap. the other I 
bought on the web. some years back. (I wasn't aware there were a different 
thread angle. I guess I just got lucky?)

 

I was wondering if these home made split nuts made by Tim P. could be 
re-molded. or if it would be a waist of time?

 

HEY. Tim P.  If you like, Send me the plastic, and I can try to cut them for 
you. 

I know that taps that I own fit my Legacy. If you can send me the part, I will 
tap it and send it back to you.  

Send me a private E-mail at curt.geo...@yahoo.com 
   and I will GIVE you the mailing info.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 08:34:39 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

I don’t know if I could find them again at the time I showed everybody the 
right one but I didn’t get much

Interest so I didn’t bother keeping track only you me and curt bought them if I 
remember

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:00 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Curt he simply needs a tap like ours so it matches the acme thread. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:34 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Tim

 

Your problem doesn't sound right?

Can you explain what is happening with these split nuts? Or perhaps show a 
photo of your set-up? 

 

I would really like to help you. but I need to know/see the problem...

 

Dose the split nut fit the shaft if you lay it on the acme screw?  Perhaps it 
was cut slightly off???

 

more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 04:29:45 PM EST, Tim Porter 
mailto:imatheb...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi Folks

 

I had two pair of split nuts made using a standard 5/8”-4 acme tap and for some 
reason it doesn’t quite fit the lead screw.  I have checked it near the end of 
the shaft where there is no chance of wear.  It’s like the lead is off a few 
thousands of an inch or the thread width of the tap is just a little too big.  
Driving me bonkers.  Anyone had issues with making new half nuts?

 

Thanks. 

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RE: Split nut tap

[bulkeley]

It wont work curt sorry bin it and start again only a couple of threads at the 
start will be right all the rest will be loose so it will wear out quick

Knowing the Chinese they probably made the tap cutting a metric pitch instead 
of a USA threads per inch and that will make it come out wrong but unless you 
measure it properly the average person might not pick it up so there might be a 
whole batch of bad tapes out there China is not renowned for high quality 
products.

 

Bill

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:55 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Hey Bill

 

Its been a while, I have two Acme screw taps (5/8-4 and One 5/8-8 tap) My first 
tap was a home made tap. 

I used a short piece of an Legacy Acme screw to make the tap. the other I 
bought on the web. some years back. (I wasn't aware there were a different 
thread angle. I guess I just got lucky?)

 

I was wondering if these home made split nuts made by Tim P. could be 
re-molded. or if it would be a waist of time?

 

HEY. Tim P.  If you like, Send me the plastic, and I can try to cut them for 
you. 

I know that taps that I own fit my Legacy. If you can send me the part, I will 
tap it and send it back to you.  

Send me a private E-mail at curt.geo...@yahoo.com 
   and I will GIVE you the mailing info.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 08:34:39 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

I don’t know if I could find them again at the time I showed everybody the 
right one but I didn’t get much

Interest so I didn’t bother keeping track only you me and curt bought them if I 
remember

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:00 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Curt he simply needs a tap like ours so it matches the acme thread. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:34 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Tim

 

Your problem doesn't sound right?

Can you explain what is happening with these split nuts? Or perhaps show a 
photo of your set-up? 

 

I would really like to help you. but I need to know/see the problem...

 

Dose the split nut fit the shaft if you lay it on the acme screw?  Perhaps it 
was cut slightly off???

 

more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 04:29:45 PM EST, Tim Porter 
mailto:imatheb...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi Folks

 

I had two pair of split nuts made using a standard 5/8”-4 acme tap and for some 
reason it doesn’t quite fit the lead screw.  I have checked it near the end of 
the shaft where there is no chance of wear.  It’s like the lead is off a few 
thousands of an inch or the thread width of the tap is just a little too big.  
Driving me bonkers.  Anyone had issues with making new half nuts?

 

Thanks. 

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RE: Split nut tap

[bulkeley]

I don’t know if I could find them again at the time I showed everybody the 
right one but I didn’t get much

Interest so I didn’t bother keeping track only you me and curt bought them if I 
remember

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 12:00 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Split nut tap

 

Curt he simply needs a tap like ours so it matches the acme thread. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:34 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Tim

 

Your problem doesn't sound right?

Can you explain what is happening with these split nuts? Or perhaps show a 
photo of your set-up? 

 

I would really like to help you. but I need to know/see the problem...

 

Dose the split nut fit the shaft if you lay it on the acme screw?  Perhaps it 
was cut slightly off???

 

more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 04:29:45 PM EST, Tim Porter 
mailto:imatheb...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi Folks

 

I had two pair of split nuts made using a standard 5/8”-4 acme tap and for some 
reason it doesn’t quite fit the lead screw.  I have checked it near the end of 
the shaft where there is no chance of wear.  It’s like the lead is off a few 
thousands of an inch or the thread width of the tap is just a little too big.  
Driving me bonkers.  Anyone had issues with making new half nuts?

 

Thanks. 

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RE: Split nut tap

[bulkeley]

It could be the tap there are different 5/8 by 4 acme taps out there the angle 
of the teeth of the tap can vary a bit making

It not quite fit one is 29 degrees and the other is 30 degrees. Acme (29-degree 
angle)  threads are used much more commonly in the United States while the 
closely related trapezoidal thread form (30-degree angle) is preferred in 
Europe. 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Porter
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 7:52 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Split nut tap

 

Hi Folks

 

I had two pair of split nuts made using a standard 5/8”-4 acme tap and for some 
reason it doesn’t quite fit the lead screw.  I have checked it near the end of 
the shaft where there is no chance of wear.  It’s like the lead is off a few 
thousands of an inch or the thread width of the tap is just a little too big.  
Driving me bonkers.  Anyone had issues with making new half nuts?

 

Thanks. 

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RE: Finger joints on the REVO

[bulkeley]

Thank you Dan well done as far as I know you are the first to video box joints 
being made on the legacy 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of cdkr...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 6:21 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Finger joints on the REVO

 

Promised videos.  One shows process 

 , other shows results 

 .  

DanK

 

 

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 11:22:29 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

Hey there Dan.

 

Very nice. I am glad to hear your Revo is working out well. ;-)

 

Keep up the good work.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 10:20:49 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Great job Dan keep up the amazing work. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 4:35 PM cdkr...@gmail.com   
mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Some frustrating dilly dallying around with cheap plywood finally

 motivated me to plane some more "junk wood" cherry and make

 all the drawers of solid wood. I'll not make that mistake again!  

This cuts SO beautifully with no tear out, no backers, no scoring.  

I'm working through making 25 little drawers to fit in the case, 

16 small ones and 9 larger ones. I'll have couple more pictures 

and perhaps a video of this process. The accuracy is almost 

unbelievable if one is careful.  These pictures show the assembled 

case (less shelves) waiting for warm day to spray lacquer and a 

little jig for squaring up the parts for pinning with 2 -23 ga pins to 

hold a bundle of four.  The bundling makes quick work of cutting

 the fingers on the REVO using the ruler to verify index spacing of 

turning the crank.

 

  

 

 

DanK

 

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:55:52 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Thanks Dan,

 

Very interesting. That's how I envisioned it by what you explained. 

great job and so glad it's working out like you hoped.

Keep me posted in how it goes. It appears to be more meticulous than my  Omni 
Jig however. 

I still want to do it just so I can say I did. loll

 

Keep up the great work Dan. 

 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 4:02 PM cdkr...@gmail.com   
mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

There was interest in how I used the REVO to cut finger joints.  So here are 
some pictures:

  

 

 

  

 

 

  

 

 

Using a 1/2" straight bit and the REVO frame ruler to verify positioning of 4 
crank turns for indexing, I cut two joints at a time with the bundles offset 
1/2".  Then turn them over and reset for the other two joints.  It works out 
the best to pin the two sides together and the top and bottom together in the 
orientation they will be assembled, then offset those "bundles" under the 
clamps. I use the triangle marking system to keep track of orientation. 

 

The first clamp setup was very awkward because of clearance issues.  So I 
reworked the clamping idea using my shop clamp system started and expanded from 
Shopsmith.system. The second picture shows it to be much handier.  

 

The other pictures show how accurate the results are.  I used no backer board, 
but you can see that I did score a line where the bit exits.  Clean.

 

Next up, a whole bunch of drawers.

DanK

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RE: Oval jig testing

[bulkeley]

I been living with these nasties all my life there nothing I keep a can of bug 
spray in the shop for the spiders that’s enough

Bill 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 4:40 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Bill at the hospital. when we get bugs. We can not use poisons. so the way we 
kill them is with HEAT.

 

bugs can not live in a hot environment . They heat a room to 165 deg. F. at the 
lowest places in the room for one hour. the heat will kill all bugs and 
spiders. Perhaps with your heat wave you should try heating up your shop with a 
heater to get ride of those bugs!

 

C.A.G.

 

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 03:22:14 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=redback+spider_esv=598892895=ACQVn09VnXEGV_HyeTN6lXAw7Kohu0BF3g%3A1705436199921=J-SmZcPkN7Po1e8PuqGj4Ak_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwNi1LMzVg9OIrSk1JSkzOViguyExJLQIAa6IIhA=redbac+spider_lp=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gws-wiz-serp

 

these are the spiders we mostly get in the shop 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:23 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

The Recluse is nothing to sneeze at either. I've heard horror storys about 
them. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 8:19 AM cdkr...@gmail.com   
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What I'm curious about by mentioning different number of teeth on 

planetary and sun gears is the modularity of the rotations.  If they have

the same number, after one rotation the second rotation will travel 

the same path.  If the number of teeth are different by as little as one, 

methinks the path of the second rotation will be different than the first,

the third different than the second etc. until the number of rotations is

a multiple of the two gear tooth numbers.  Think Spirograph.  ???

 

Yes, it's nice to work in a shop where the greatest threat is my own 

stupidity followed by recluse spiders. 

DanK

 

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 6:51:22 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Yeah pretty scary having to worry about that. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:26 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

And we thought the danger in our shops were the machines lol

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 2:37 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Hey Guys.

 

No poisonous snakes or bugs any where around here Bill. ;-)

But on the flip side, the Cold can kill you as fast as any snake can.

the quote stating that , Discretion is the better part of valor is very true.

 

I too want this jig done and ready to show everyone. But I have to wait, 
perhaps next weekend?

I can only Hope and Pray. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 10:05:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I can't take the suspense. lol 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 6:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Most likely next weekend???

We will see.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 07:14:45 PM EST, mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Very nice curt a video showing it working will show all exactly what your 
explaining 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Woops.

part of this message did not show 

RE: Oval jig testing

[bulkeley]

Were just filling in till curt tells us his  next chapter of the oval chuck but 
your right of coarse 

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 10:46 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Yeah I'm sure. Well we verified off the actual subject here pretty bad so we 
better pull it back into 

Curts Oval Jig. Sorry guys. 

Looking forward to more on that Curt. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 12:35 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Yea there is only 2 or 3 deaths a year by redback spiders and 1 or 2 by the 
brown snakes and its usually mostly tourists most Aussies know to be carful 

and don’t stir up the nasties in Australia lol

 

Bill

 

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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 5:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: Oval jig testing

 

But Tim,

Bill (in Australia) has that "Red Back Spider".  In Minnie-Soda ya'll have the 
"Red-neck Spider". 

Haven't heard much about it biting - so much as I have heard about it drinking 
a lot of beer!

LoL!

Mac


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-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: Jan 17, 2024 12:46 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: Oval jig testing

 

Lol when your born into it its not that bad 

 

Bill

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

ugg I'll stay in MINNESOTA

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

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 On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:22 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=redback+spider_esv=598892895=ACQVn09VnXEGV_HyeTN6lXAw7Kohu0BF3g%3A1705436199921=J-SmZcPkN7Po1e8PuqGj4Ak_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwNi1LMzVg9OIrSk1JSkzOViguyExJLQIAa6IIhA=redbac+spider_lp=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gws-wiz-serp

 

these are the spiders we mostly get in the shop 

 

Bill

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:23 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

The Recluse is nothing to sneeze at either. I've heard horror storys about 
them. 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

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On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 8:19 AM cdkr...@gmail.com   
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What I'm curious about by mentioning different number of teeth on 

planetary and sun gears is the modularity of the rotations.  If they have

the same number, after one rotation the second rotation will travel

the same path.  If the number of teeth are different by as little as one,

methinks the path of the second rotation will be different than the first,

the third different than the second etc. until the number of rotations is

a multiple of the two gear tooth numbers.  Think Spirograph.  ???

 

Yes, it's nice to work in a shop where the greatest threat is my own

stupidity followed by recluse spiders.

DanK

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On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 6:51:22 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Yeah pretty scary having to worry about that. 

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

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On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:26 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

And we thought the danger in our shops were the machines lol

 

Bill

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From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 2:37 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Oval jig 

RE: Oval jig testing

[bulkeley]

Yea there is only 2 or 3 deaths a year by redback spiders and 1 or 2 by the 
brown snakes and its usually mostly tourists most Aussies know to be carful 

and don’t stir up the nasties in Australia lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 5:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Oval jig testing

 

But Tim,

Bill (in Australia) has that "Red Back Spider".  In Minnie-Soda ya'll have the 
"Red-neck Spider". 

Haven't heard much about it biting - so much as I have heard about it drinking 
a lot of beer!

LoL!

Mac

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-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: Jan 17, 2024 12:46 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: Oval jig testing

 

Lol when your born into it its not that bad 

 

Bill

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

ugg I'll stay in MINNESOTA

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

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 On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:22 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=redback+spider_esv=598892895=ACQVn09VnXEGV_HyeTN6lXAw7Kohu0BF3g%3A1705436199921=J-SmZcPkN7Po1e8PuqGj4Ak_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwNi1LMzVg9OIrSk1JSkzOViguyExJLQIAa6IIhA=redbac+spider_lp=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gws-wiz-serp

 

these are the spiders we mostly get in the shop 

 

Bill

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:23 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

The Recluse is nothing to sneeze at either. I've heard horror storys about 
them. 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

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On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 8:19 AM cdkr...@gmail.com   
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What I'm curious about by mentioning different number of teeth on 

planetary and sun gears is the modularity of the rotations.  If they have

the same number, after one rotation the second rotation will travel

the same path.  If the number of teeth are different by as little as one,

methinks the path of the second rotation will be different than the first,

the third different than the second etc. until the number of rotations is

a multiple of the two gear tooth numbers.  Think Spirograph.  ???

 

Yes, it's nice to work in a shop where the greatest threat is my own

stupidity followed by recluse spiders.

DanK

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On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 6:51:22 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Yeah pretty scary having to worry about that. 

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

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On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:26 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

And we thought the danger in our shops were the machines lol

 

Bill

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From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 2:37 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Hey Guys.

 

No poisonous snakes or bugs any where around here Bill. ;-)

But on the flip side, the Cold can kill you as fast as any snake can.

the quote stating that , Discretion is the better part of valor is very true.

 

I too want this jig done and ready to show everyone. But I have to wait, 
perhaps next weekend?

I can only Hope and Pray. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

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  _  

On Monday, January 1I can't take the suspense. lol 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

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  _  

 On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 6:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Most likely next weekend???

We will see.

 

C.A.G.

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On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 07:14:45 PM EST, mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrot 

 

Very nice curt a video showing it working will show all exactly what your 
explaining 

 

Bill

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  _  

From: 'Curt George' via 

RE: Oval jig testing

[bulkeley]

Lol when your born into it its not that bad 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

ugg I'll stay in MINNESOTA


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:22 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=redback+spider_esv=598892895=ACQVn09VnXEGV_HyeTN6lXAw7Kohu0BF3g%3A1705436199921=J-SmZcPkN7Po1e8PuqGj4Ak_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwNi1LMzVg9OIrSk1JSkzOViguyExJLQIAa6IIhA=redbac+spider_lp=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gws-wiz-serp

 

these are the spiders we mostly get in the shop 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:23 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

The Recluse is nothing to sneeze at either. I've heard horror storys about 
them. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 8:19 AM cdkr...@gmail.com   
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What I'm curious about by mentioning different number of teeth on 

planetary and sun gears is the modularity of the rotations.  If they have

the same number, after one rotation the second rotation will travel 

the same path.  If the number of teeth are different by as little as one, 

methinks the path of the second rotation will be different than the first,

the third different than the second etc. until the number of rotations is

a multiple of the two gear tooth numbers.  Think Spirograph.  ???

 

Yes, it's nice to work in a shop where the greatest threat is my own 

stupidity followed by recluse spiders. 

DanK

 

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 6:51:22 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Yeah pretty scary having to worry about that. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:26 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

And we thought the danger in our shops were the machines lol

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 2:37 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Hey Guys.

 

No poisonous snakes or bugs any where around here Bill. ;-)

But on the flip side, the Cold can kill you as fast as any snake can.

the quote stating that , Discretion is the better part of valor is very true.

 

I too want this jig done and ready to show everyone. But I have to wait, 
perhaps next weekend?

I can only Hope and Pray. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 10:05:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I can't take the suspense. lol 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 6:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Most likely next weekend???

We will see.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 07:14:45 PM EST, mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Very nice curt a video showing it working will show all exactly what your 
explaining 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Woops.

part of this message did not show up...

 

Here is the hole message. (second try!)

 

Hello Everyone.

It's -5 outside today. (Thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit my 
area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p

Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when 

RE: Oval jig testing

[bulkeley]

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=redback+spider_esv=598892895=ACQVn09VnXEGV_HyeTN6lXAw7Kohu0BF3g%3A1705436199921=J-SmZcPkN7Po1e8PuqGj4Ak_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwNi1LMzVg9OIrSk1JSkzOViguyExJLQIAa6IIhA=redbac+spider_lp=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gws-wiz-serp

 

these are the spiders we mostly get in the shop 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:23 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

The Recluse is nothing to sneeze at either. I've heard horror storys about 
them. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 8:19 AM cdkr...@gmail.com   
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What I'm curious about by mentioning different number of teeth on 

planetary and sun gears is the modularity of the rotations.  If they have

the same number, after one rotation the second rotation will travel 

the same path.  If the number of teeth are different by as little as one, 

methinks the path of the second rotation will be different than the first,

the third different than the second etc. until the number of rotations is

a multiple of the two gear tooth numbers.  Think Spirograph.  ???

 

Yes, it's nice to work in a shop where the greatest threat is my own 

stupidity followed by recluse spiders. 

DanK

 

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 6:51:22 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Yeah pretty scary having to worry about that. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:26 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

And we thought the danger in our shops were the machines lol

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 2:37 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Hey Guys.

 

No poisonous snakes or bugs any where around here Bill. ;-)

But on the flip side, the Cold can kill you as fast as any snake can.

the quote stating that , Discretion is the better part of valor is very true.

 

I too want this jig done and ready to show everyone. But I have to wait, 
perhaps next weekend?

I can only Hope and Pray. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 10:05:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I can't take the suspense. lol 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 6:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Most likely next weekend???

We will see.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 07:14:45 PM EST, mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Very nice curt a video showing it working will show all exactly what your 
explaining 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Woops.

part of this message did not show up...

 

Here is the hole message. (second try!)

 

Hello Everyone.

It's -5 outside today. (Thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit my 
area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p

Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when I'm 
working, But today

its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)

 

This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was doing/ 
how this jig works. 

I think everyone will enjoy this info.

 

 

The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this jig work. 
 

 

 

The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables supports, (It dose not move with the 
table.)

The Planet gear is fixed to the table. so it moves around the sun gear when the 
table turns.

the planet gear has a fixed pin on it. so as it moves the arm moves the table. 
thus making an 

oval as the table turns. I am using my Legacy/overhead router for the cutting. 
(at 

RE: Oval jig testing

[bulkeley]

And we thought the danger in our shops were the machines lol

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 2:37 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Hey Guys.

 

No poisonous snakes or bugs any where around here Bill. ;-)

But on the flip side, the Cold can kill you as fast as any snake can.

the quote stating that , Discretion is the better part of valor is very true.

 

I too want this jig done and ready to show everyone. But I have to wait, 
perhaps next weekend?

I can only Hope and Pray. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 10:05:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I can't take the suspense. lol 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 6:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Most likely next weekend???

We will see.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 07:14:45 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Very nice curt a video showing it working will show all exactly what your 
explaining 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Woops.

part of this message did not show up...

 

Here is the hole message. (second try!)

 

Hello Everyone.

It's -5 outside today. (Thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit my 
area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p

Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when I'm 
working, But today

its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)

 

This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was doing/ 
how this jig works. 

I think everyone will enjoy this info.

 

 

The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this jig work. 
 

 

 

The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables supports, (It dose not move with the 
table.)

The Planet gear is fixed to the table. so it moves around the sun gear when the 
table turns.

the planet gear has a fixed pin on it. so as it moves the arm moves the table. 
thus making an 

oval as the table turns. I am using my Legacy/overhead router for the cutting. 
(at this time.)

 

I Hope the photo's help explain what is happening here?

photo 1 shows the "Sun" gear lifted up, a post, is running through the ball 
bearing center. (its pined under the table, to keep it form moving .)

photo 2 shows the linkage. (as the table moves the planate gear rotates moving 
the pin, making the table move back and forth as the planate turns around the 
sun gear.)

Photo3  shows the planate gear/pin and table with linear rails.

Photo's 4&5 show the over all set-up on my Legacy (Ornamental Mill.)

 

C.A.G.

 

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 03:02:54 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello Everyone.

It's -5 outside today. (thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit my 
area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p

Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when I'm 
working, But today

its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)

 

This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was doing/ 
how this jig works. 

I think everyone will enjoy this info.

 

 

The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this jig work. 
 

 

The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables supports, (It dose not move with the 
table.)

The Planet gear is fixed to the table. so it moves around the sun gear when the 
table turns.

the planet gear has a fixed pin on it. so as it moves the arm moves the table. 
thus making an 

oval as the table turns. I am using my Legacy/overhead router for the cutting. 
(at this time.)

 

I Hope the photo's help explain what is happening here?

photo 1 shows the sun gear lifted up running through the ball bearing center. 
(its pinning under the table.)

photo 2 shows the linkage.

Photo3  shows the planate gear/pin and table with linear rails.

Photo's 4&5 show the over all set-up on my Legacy (Ornamental Mill.)

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 09:29:28 PM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt.geo...@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello Frank.

The planetary gear has a is fixed  pin at this min.  But I will be able to make 
it adjustable latter.

 

At this time there is a 2" off-set. 

The table is disposable, there are only 4 screw holding it down onto the slides.

I am using linear slides for the table. (in two photo's I used drawer slide 
they worked but they got in the way of my Legacy side 

RE: Oval jig testing

[bulkeley]

I understand curt I have the same problem but in reverse its too hot to work 
out in the shop by day and by night insects drive you insane not to mention

In the summer I have to check the shop for poisonous snakes before I start they 
get a little upset if I run over one lol, after all our brown snakes venom is 
the second most toxic in the world not good if you get bit.

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 12:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

I promise that when I can make a video you will be the first to know. And it 
will be as soon as I can.

I have a few mod.'s that I want to do, and the temperatures need to be a little 
bit wormer . (camera crews can be Fickled. )(Which means, I have to get one of 
my kids to film it.) ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 07:27:54 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Great I’m really looking forward to it 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 11:18 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Most likely next weekend???

We will see.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 07:14:45 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Very nice curt a video showing it working will show all exactly what your 
explaining 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Woops.

part of this message did not show up...

 

Here is the hole message. (second try!)

 

Hello Everyone.

It's -5 outside today. (Thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit my 
area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p

Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when I'm 
working, But today

its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)

 

This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was doing/ 
how this jig works. 

I think everyone will enjoy this info.

 

 

The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this jig work. 
 

 

 

The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables supports, (It dose not move with the 
table.)

The Planet gear is fixed to the table. so it moves around the sun gear when the 
table turns.

the planet gear has a fixed pin on it. so as it moves the arm moves the table. 
thus making an 

oval as the table turns. I am using my Legacy/overhead router for the cutting. 
(at this time.)

 

I Hope the photo's help explain what is happening here?

photo 1 shows the "Sun" gear lifted up, a post, is running through the ball 
bearing center. (its pined under the table, to keep it form moving .)

photo 2 shows the linkage. (as the table moves the planate gear rotates moving 
the pin, making the table move back and forth as the planate turns around the 
sun gear.)

Photo3  shows the planate gear/pin and table with linear rails.

Photo's 4&5 show the over all set-up on my Legacy (Ornamental Mill.)

 

C.A.G.

 

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 03:02:54 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello Everyone.

It's -5 outside today. (thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit my 
area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p

Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when I'm 
working, But today

its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)

 

This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was doing/ 
how this jig works. 

I think everyone will enjoy this info.

 

 

The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this jig work. 
 

 

The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables supports, (It dose not move with the 
table.)

The Planet gear is fixed to the table. so it moves around the sun gear when the 
table turns.

the planet gear has a fixed pin on it. so as it moves the arm moves the table. 
thus making an 

oval as the table turns. I am using my Legacy/overhead router for the cutting. 
(at this time.)

 

I Hope the photo's help explain what is happening here?

photo 1 shows the sun gear lifted up running through the ball bearing center. 
(its pinning under the table.)

photo 2 shows the linkage.

Photo3  shows the planate gear/pin and table with linear rails.

Photo's 4&5 show the over all set-up on my Legacy (Ornamental Mill.)

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 09:29:28 PM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt.geo...@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello Frank.

The planetary gear has a is fixed  pin at this min.  But I will be able to make 
it adjustable latter.

 

At this time there is a 2" 

RE: Oval jig testing

[bulkeley]

Great I’m really looking forward to it 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 11:18 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Most likely next weekend???

We will see.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 07:14:45 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Very nice curt a video showing it working will show all exactly what your 
explaining 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 AM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Oval jig testing

 

Woops.

part of this message did not show up...

 

Here is the hole message. (second try!)

 

Hello Everyone.

It's -5 outside today. (Thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit my 
area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p

Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when I'm 
working, But today

its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)

 

This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was doing/ 
how this jig works. 

I think everyone will enjoy this info.

 

 

The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this jig work. 
 

 

 

The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables supports, (It dose not move with the 
table.)

The Planet gear is fixed to the table. so it moves around the sun gear when the 
table turns.

the planet gear has a fixed pin on it. so as it moves the arm moves the table. 
thus making an 

oval as the table turns. I am using my Legacy/overhead router for the cutting. 
(at this time.)

 

I Hope the photo's help explain what is happening here?

photo 1 shows the "Sun" gear lifted up, a post, is running through the ball 
bearing center. (its pined under the table, to keep it form moving .)

photo 2 shows the linkage. (as the table moves the planate gear rotates moving 
the pin, making the table move back and forth as the planate turns around the 
sun gear.)

Photo3  shows the planate gear/pin and table with linear rails.

Photo's 4&5 show the over all set-up on my Legacy (Ornamental Mill.)

 

C.A.G.

 

 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 03:02:54 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello Everyone.

It's -5 outside today. (thanks Tim, for sending Bill some cold air, it hit my 
area in its way to Auz. ) ;-p

Since my shop is un-heated, (I use a propane heater to heat the shop when I'm 
working, But today

its just to cold to go out there and try to heat the shop.)

 

This is a reply that I gave to a private e-mail Explaining what I was doing/ 
how this jig works. 

I think everyone will enjoy this info.

 

 

The Planetary gear system is the concept that I am using to make this jig work. 
 

 

The "Sun" Gear is pinned to the tables supports, (It dose not move with the 
table.)

The Planet gear is fixed to the table. so it moves around the sun gear when the 
table turns.

the planet gear has a fixed pin on it. so as it moves the arm moves the table. 
thus making an 

oval as the table turns. I am using my Legacy/overhead router for the cutting. 
(at this time.)

 

I Hope the photo's help explain what is happening here?

photo 1 shows the sun gear lifted up running through the ball bearing center. 
(its pinning under the table.)

photo 2 shows the linkage.

Photo3  shows the planate gear/pin and table with linear rails.

Photo's 4&5 show the over all set-up on my Legacy (Ornamental Mill.)

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 09:29:28 PM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt.geo...@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello Frank.

The planetary gear has a is fixed  pin at this min.  But I will be able to make 
it adjustable latter.

 

At this time there is a 2" off-set. 

The table is disposable, there are only 4 screw holding it down onto the slides.

I am using linear slides for the table. (in two photo's I used drawer slide 
they worked but they got in the way of my Legacy side rails. so I replaced 
them.)

 

If all goes well, I will be making an oval picture frame, and latter some small 
bowls.

 

talk to you and everyone more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

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