subject:"Learning a new way to do things."

Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-21 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


I use open office free

https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

excel spreadsheet work too

On 5/21/2024 11:17 AM, jrig...@gmail.com wrote:

To All,
Whay software is needed to open the file "LegacyCharts_V11.3.ods"?

Thanks,
Jim

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 5:37:08 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:


The attached is the latest iteration of Legacy Charts all on one
spreadsheet workbook. The latest is rotary table indexing as
posted above.  The sheet should be self explanatory.  Someday
perhaps I'll gather all the charts into one chart that is dynamic
but I'm not sure it will be an improvement.
DanK

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 11:29:04 AM UTC-4 Okla Mike
(Liltwisted) wrote:

That would be great, go for it

On 5/16/2024 8:36 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for posting these reference materials! Would it be
agreeable to you if I included this on the LegacyCharts
spreadsheet I have been accumulating?  It makes for a handy
local reference all things Legacy.
DanK

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hello Again everyone!

I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
on his methods of indexing, These methods have always
worked for me in the past. and I hope some of you will
learn and try his methods as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s
 Crank
handle indexing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s
 Carriage
travel indexing.

As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.


  Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table


Alternative Indexing Method for Legacy Ornamental Mills




Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a
method of indexing the rotary table instead of the stock
handle. Using the a drive shaft to control the rotary
tables motion the following indexes can be obtained with
the stock gear set. I have come up with what I believe to
be a close to definitive answer on the number of indexes
available. They are as follows.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30,
32, 36, 40, 48, 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160,
192, and 240.




The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific
number of times per x-axis lead screw turn. For more
information, see the Crank Handle Indexing article.



Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one
spindle RevolutionGear  No. of Cranks
A   8
B   12
C   16
D   18
E   20
F   24
G   30

The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks
or 45º increments per revolution. By multiplying the
number of cranks required to make one 1 spindle rotation
by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the x axis
lead screw crank handle will need to turn to move the
rotary table one revolution. Each crank of the lead screw
handle can be used as an equal division.

Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear setGear  No. of
Cranks / Divisions  Degree Increments
A   64  5.625
B   96  3.75
C   128 2.812
D   144 2.5
E   160 2.25
F   192 1.875
G   240 1.5

These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions.
For example, using the A gear and making a cut once every
4 cranks you can index the rotary table every 16
locations. However as you can see by this example, it
would be much faster to index the table using a different
method. Using the numbers above, here are the possible
indexes available for each gear.

Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear SetGear  
Divisions
A

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
B

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
C

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
D

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72
, 144
E

Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-21 Thread jrig...@gmail.com

To All,
Whay software is needed to open the file "LegacyCharts_V11.3.ods"?

Thanks,
Jim

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 5:37:08 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> The attached is the latest iteration of Legacy Charts all on one 
> spreadsheet workbook. The latest is rotary table indexing as posted above.  
> The sheet should be self explanatory.  Someday perhaps I'll gather all the 
> charts into one chart that is dynamic but I'm not sure it will be an 
> improvement.
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 11:29:04 AM UTC-4 Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
> wrote:
>
>> That would be great, go for it
>> On 5/16/2024 8:36 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for posting these reference materials!  Would it be agreeable 
>> to you if I included this on the LegacyCharts spreadsheet I have been 
>> accumulating?  It makes for a handy local reference all things Legacy.  
>> DanK
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Again everyone!
>>>
>>> I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
>>> on his methods of indexing,  These methods have always worked for me in 
>>> the past. and I hope some of you will learn and try his methods as well.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s Crank handle indexing.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s Carriage travel 
>>> indexing.
>>>
>>> As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.
>>> Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table Alternative Indexing Method 
>>> for Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of 
>>> indexing the rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a drive 
>>> shaft to control the rotary tables motion the following indexes can be 
>>> obtained with the stock gear set. I have come up with what I believe to be 
>>> a close to definitive answer on the number of indexes available. They are 
>>> as follows.
>>>
>>> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48, 
>>> 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.
>>> --
>>>
>>> The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times per 
>>> x-axis lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle 
>>> Indexing article. 
>>> 
>>> Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle Revolution 
>>> Gear No. of Cranks 
>>> A 8 
>>> B 12 
>>> C 16 
>>> D 18 
>>> E 20 
>>> F 24 
>>> G 30 
>>>
>>> The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º 
>>> increments per revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks required to 
>>> make one 1 spindle rotation by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the 
>>> x axis lead screw crank handle will need to turn to move the rotary table 
>>> one revolution. Each crank of the lead screw handle can be used as an equal 
>>> division.
>>> Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear set 
>>> Gear No. of Cranks / Divisions Degree Increments 
>>> A 64 5.625 
>>> B 96 3.75 
>>> C 128 2.812 
>>> D 144 2.5 
>>> E 160 2.25 
>>> F 192 1.875 
>>> G 240 1.5 
>>>
>>> These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example, 
>>> using the A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index the 
>>> rotary table every 16 locations. However as you can see by this example, it 
>>> would be much faster to index the table using a different method. Using the 
>>> numbers above, here are the possible indexes available for each gear.
>>> Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear Set 
>>> Gear 
>>> Divisions
>>> A
>>> 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
>>> B
>>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
>>> C
>>> 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
>>> D
>>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144
>>> E
>>> 2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160
>>> F
>>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192
>>> G
>>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 60 
>>> , 80 , 120 , 240
>>> --
>>>
>>> Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me - 
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Updated: 6/27/2010
>>>
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
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Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-19 Thread Tim Ziegler

Great work Dan

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
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On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 5:37 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> The attached is the latest iteration of Legacy Charts all on one
> spreadsheet workbook. The latest is rotary table indexing as posted above.
> The sheet should be self explanatory.  Someday perhaps I'll gather all the
> charts into one chart that is dynamic but I'm not sure it will be an
> improvement.
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 11:29:04 AM UTC-4 Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
> wrote:
>
>> That would be great, go for it
>> On 5/16/2024 8:36 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for posting these reference materials!  Would it be agreeable
>> to you if I included this on the LegacyCharts spreadsheet I have been
>> accumulating?  It makes for a handy local reference all things Legacy.
>> DanK
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Again everyone!
>>>
>>> I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
>>> on his methods of indexing,  These methods have always worked for me in
>>> the past. and I hope some of you will learn and try his methods as well.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s Crank handle indexing.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s Carriage travel
>>> indexing.
>>>
>>> As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.
>>> Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table Alternative Indexing Method
>>> for Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of
>>> indexing the rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a drive
>>> shaft to control the rotary tables motion the following indexes can be
>>> obtained with the stock gear set. I have come up with what I believe to be
>>> a close to definitive answer on the number of indexes available. They are
>>> as follows.
>>>
>>> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48,
>>> 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.
>>> --
>>>
>>> The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times per
>>> x-axis lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle
>>> Indexing article.
>>> 
>>> Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle Revolution
>>> Gear No. of Cranks
>>> A 8
>>> B 12
>>> C 16
>>> D 18
>>> E 20
>>> F 24
>>> G 30
>>>
>>> The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º
>>> increments per revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks required to
>>> make one 1 spindle rotation by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the
>>> x axis lead screw crank handle will need to turn to move the rotary table
>>> one revolution. Each crank of the lead screw handle can be used as an equal
>>> division.
>>> Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear set
>>> Gear No. of Cranks / Divisions Degree Increments
>>> A 64 5.625
>>> B 96 3.75
>>> C 128 2.812
>>> D 144 2.5
>>> E 160 2.25
>>> F 192 1.875
>>> G 240 1.5
>>>
>>> These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example,
>>> using the A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index the
>>> rotary table every 16 locations. However as you can see by this example, it
>>> would be much faster to index the table using a different method. Using the
>>> numbers above, here are the possible indexes available for each gear.
>>> Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear Set
>>> Gear
>>> Divisions
>>> A
>>> 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
>>> B
>>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
>>> C
>>> 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
>>> D
>>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144
>>> E
>>> 2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160
>>> F
>>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192
>>> G
>>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 60
>>> , 80 , 120 , 240
>>> --
>>>
>>> Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me -
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Updated: 6/27/2010
>>>
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
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Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-19 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Wow that's Nice!  Thank you Dan.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 06:37:18 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  
 
 
The attached is the latest iteration of Legacy Charts all on one spreadsheet 
workbook. The latest is rotary table indexing as posted above.  The sheet 
should be self explanatory.  Someday perhaps I'll gather all the charts into 
one chart that is dynamic but I'm not sure it will be an improvement.DanK
On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 11:29:04 AM UTC-4 Okla Mike (Liltwisted) wrote:

  
That would be great, go for it
 
 On 5/16/2024 8:36 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
  
 Thank you for posting these reference materials!  Would it be agreeable to you 
if I included this on the LegacyCharts spreadsheet I have been accumulating?  
It makes for a handy local reference all things Legacy.  
  DanK
  
  On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
  
   Hello Again everyone! 
  I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back. on his methods of 
indexing,  These methods have always worked for me in the past. and I hope some 
of you will learn and try his methods as well. 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s Crank handle indexing.
  
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s Carriage travel indexing.
  
  As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.   
Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table
 
Alternative Indexing Method for Legacy Ornamental Mills
  
Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of indexing the 
rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a drive shaft to control 
the rotary tables motion the following indexes can be obtained with the stock 
gear set. I have come up with what I believe to be a close to definitive answer 
on the number of indexes available. They are as follows.
 
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48, 60, 64, 
72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.
  
The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times per x-axis 
lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle Indexing article.
 
Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle Revolution| Gear | 
No. of Cranks |
| A | 8 |
| B | 12 |
| C | 16 |
| D | 18 |
| E | 20 |
| F | 24 |
| G | 30 |

 
The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º increments per 
revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks required to make one 1 spindle 
rotation by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the x axis lead screw crank 
handle will need to turn to move the rotary table one revolution. Each crank of 
the lead screw handle can be used as an equal division.
 
Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear set| Gear | No. of Cranks / Divisions | 
Degree Increments |
| A | 64 | 5.625 |
| B | 96 | 3.75 |
| C | 128 | 2.812 |
| D | 144 | 2.5 |
| E | 160 | 2.25 |
| F | 192 | 1.875 |
| G | 240 | 1.5 |

 
These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example, using the 
A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index the rotary table 
every 16 locations. However as you can see by this example, it would be much 
faster to index the table using a different method. Using the numbers above, 
here are the possible indexes available for each gear.
 
Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear Set| Gear |  Divisions  |
|  A  |  2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64  |
|  B  |  2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96  |
|  C  |  2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128  |
|  D  |  2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144  |
|  E  |  2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160  |
|  F  |  2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192  |
|  G  |  2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 
60 , 80 , 120 , 240  |

  
Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me - Tim
 
Updated: 6/27/2010
  
  
  C.A.G.   
 

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Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-16 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


That would be great, go for it

On 5/16/2024 8:36 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you for posting these reference materials!  Would it be 
agreeable to you if I included this on the LegacyCharts spreadsheet I 
have been accumulating?  It makes for a handy local reference all 
things Legacy.

DanK

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hello Again everyone!

I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
on his methods of indexing,  These methods have always worked for
me in the past. and I hope some of you will learn and try his
methods as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s
 Crank handle
indexing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s
 Carriage travel
indexing.

As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.


  Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table


Alternative Indexing Method for Legacy Ornamental Mills



Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of
indexing the rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a
drive shaft to control the rotary tables motion the following
indexes can be obtained with the stock gear set. I have come up
with what I believe to be a close to definitive answer on the
number of indexes available. They are as follows.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36,
40, 48, 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.



The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of
times per x-axis lead screw turn. For more information, see the
Crank Handle Indexing article.



Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle
RevolutionGear  No. of Cranks
A   8
B   12
C   16
D   18
E   20
F   24
G   30

The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º
increments per revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks
required to make one 1 spindle rotation by 8 you can calculate the
number of turns the x axis lead screw crank handle will need to
turn to move the rotary table one revolution. Each crank of the
lead screw handle can be used as an equal division.

Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear setGear  No. of Cranks /
Divisions   Degree Increments
A   64  5.625
B   96  3.75
C   128 2.812
D   144 2.5
E   160 2.25
F   192 1.875
G   240 1.5

These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For
example, using the A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you
can index the rotary table every 16 locations. However as you can
see by this example, it would be much faster to index the table
using a different method. Using the numbers above, here are the
possible indexes available for each gear.

Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear SetGear  
Divisions
A

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
B

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
C

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
D

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144
E

2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160
F

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192
G

2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48
, 60 , 80 , 120 , 240



Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact
me - Tim

Updated: 6/27/2010



C.A.G.

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Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-16 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

After these two methods were developed, I never ever once used another 
indexing plate.


Mike OK

On 5/15/2024 11:06 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Again everyone!

I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
on his methods of indexing, These methods have always worked for me in 
the past. and I hope some of you will learn and try his methods as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s 
 Crank handle indexing.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s 
 Carriage travel 
indexing.


As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.


  Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table


Alternative Indexing Method for Legacy Ornamental Mills



Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of 
indexing the rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a 
drive shaft to control the rotary tables motion the following indexes 
can be obtained with the stock gear set. I have come up with what I 
believe to be a close to definitive answer on the number of indexes 
available. They are as follows.


1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 
48, 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.




The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times 
per x-axis lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle 
Indexing article. 



Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle 
RevolutionGear 	No. of Cranks

A   8
B   12
C   16
D   18
E   20
F   24
G   30

The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º 
increments per revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks 
required to make one 1 spindle rotation by 8 you can calculate the 
number of turns the x axis lead screw crank handle will need to turn 
to move the rotary table one revolution. Each crank of the lead screw 
handle can be used as an equal division.


Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear setGear 	No. of Cranks / 
Divisions 	Degree Increments

A   64  5.625
B   96  3.75
C   128 2.812
D   144 2.5
E   160 2.25
F   192 1.875
G   240 1.5

These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example, 
using the A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index 
the rotary table every 16 locations. However as you can see by this 
example, it would be much faster to index the table using a different 
method. Using the numbers above, here are the possible indexes 
available for each gear.


Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear SetGear  
Divisions
A

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
B

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
C

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
D

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144
E

2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160
F

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192
G

2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 
60 , 80 , 120 , 240




Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me - 
Tim 


Updated: 6/27/2010



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Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-16 Thread Tim Ziegler

Exactly

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
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On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 8:36 AM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thank you for posting these reference materials!  Would it be agreeable to
> you if I included this on the LegacyCharts spreadsheet I have been
> accumulating?  It makes for a handy local reference all things Legacy.
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Hello Again everyone!
>>
>> I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
>> on his methods of indexing,  These methods have always worked for me in
>> the past. and I hope some of you will learn and try his methods as well.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s Crank handle indexing.
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s Carriage travel
>> indexing.
>>
>> As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.
>> Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary TableAlternative Indexing Method
>> for Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> --
>>
>> Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of indexing
>> the rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a drive shaft to
>> control the rotary tables motion the following indexes can be obtained with
>> the stock gear set. I have come up with what I believe to be a close to
>> definitive answer on the number of indexes available. They are as follows.
>>
>> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48,
>> 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.
>> --
>>
>> The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times per
>> x-axis lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle
>> Indexing article.
>> 
>> Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle Revolution
>> GearNo. of Cranks
>> A 8
>> B 12
>> C 16
>> D 18
>> E 20
>> F 24
>> G 30
>>
>> The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º
>> increments per revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks required to
>> make one 1 spindle rotation by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the
>> x axis lead screw crank handle will need to turn to move the rotary table
>> one revolution. Each crank of the lead screw handle can be used as an equal
>> division.
>> Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear set
>> GearNo. of Cranks / DivisionsDegree Increments
>> A 64 5.625
>> B 96 3.75
>> C 128 2.812
>> D 144 2.5
>> E 160 2.25
>> F 192 1.875
>> G 240 1.5
>>
>> These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example,
>> using the A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index the
>> rotary table every 16 locations. However as you can see by this example, it
>> would be much faster to index the table using a different method. Using the
>> numbers above, here are the possible indexes available for each gear.
>> Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear Set
>> Gear
>> Divisions
>> A
>> 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
>> B
>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
>> C
>> 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
>> D
>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144
>> E
>> 2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160
>> F
>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192
>> G
>> 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 60 ,
>> 80 , 120 , 240
>> --
>>
>> Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me -
>> Tim
>>
>> Updated: 6/27/2010
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
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Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-16 Thread cdkr...@gmail.com

Thank you for posting these reference materials!  Would it be agreeable to 
you if I included this on the LegacyCharts spreadsheet I have been 
accumulating?  It makes for a handy local reference all things Legacy.  
DanK

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Again everyone!
>
> I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
> on his methods of indexing,  These methods have always worked for me in 
> the past. and I hope some of you will learn and try his methods as well.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s Crank handle indexing.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s Carriage travel indexing.
>
> As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.
> Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary TableAlternative Indexing Method for 
> Legacy Ornamental Mills
> --
>
> Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of indexing 
> the rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a drive shaft to 
> control the rotary tables motion the following indexes can be obtained with 
> the stock gear set. I have come up with what I believe to be a close to 
> definitive answer on the number of indexes available. They are as follows.
>
> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48, 
> 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.
> --
>
> The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times per 
> x-axis lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle 
> Indexing article. 
> 
> Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle Revolution
> GearNo. of Cranks
> A 8
> B 12
> C 16
> D 18
> E 20
> F 24
> G 30
>
> The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º increments 
> per revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks required to make one 1 
> spindle rotation by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the x axis lead 
> screw crank handle will need to turn to move the rotary table one 
> revolution. Each crank of the lead screw handle can be used as an equal 
> division.
> Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear set
> GearNo. of Cranks / DivisionsDegree Increments
> A 64 5.625
> B 96 3.75
> C 128 2.812
> D 144 2.5
> E 160 2.25
> F 192 1.875
> G 240 1.5
>
> These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example, using 
> the A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index the rotary 
> table every 16 locations. However as you can see by this example, it would 
> be much faster to index the table using a different method. Using the 
> numbers above, here are the possible indexes available for each gear.
> Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear Set
> Gear
> Divisions
> A
> 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
> B
> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
> C
> 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
> D
> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144
> E
> 2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160
> F
> 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192
> G
> 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 60 , 
> 80 , 120 , 240
> --
>
> Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me - Tim
>
> Updated: 6/27/2010
>
>
> C.A.G.
>

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Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-15 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello Again everyone!
I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.on his methods of 
indexing,  These methods have always worked for me in the past. and I hope some 
of you will learn and try his methods as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s Crank handle indexing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s Carriage travel indexing.

As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.
Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table

Alternative Indexing Method for Legacy Ornamental Mills

Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of indexing the 
rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a drive shaft to control 
the rotary tables motion the following indexes can be obtained with the stock 
gear set. I have come up with what I believe to be a close to definitive answer 
on the number of indexes available. They are as follows.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48, 60, 64, 
72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.

The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times per x-axis 
lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle Indexing article.

Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle Revolution| Gear | 
No. of Cranks |
| A | 8 |
| B | 12 |
| C | 16 |
| D | 18 |
| E | 20 |
| F | 24 |
| G | 30 |


The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º increments per 
revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks required to make one 1 spindle 
rotation by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the x axis lead screw crank 
handle will need to turn to move the rotary table one revolution. Each crank of 
the lead screw handle can be used as an equal division.

Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear set| Gear | No. of Cranks / Divisions | 
Degree Increments |
| A | 64 | 5.625 |
| B | 96 | 3.75 |
| C | 128 | 2.812 |
| D | 144 | 2.5 |
| E | 160 | 2.25 |
| F | 192 | 1.875 |
| G | 240 | 1.5 |


These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example, using the 
A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index the rotary table 
every 16 locations. However as you can see by this example, it would be much 
faster to index the table using a different method. Using the numbers above, 
here are the possible indexes available for each gear.

Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear Set| Gear | Divisions |
| A | 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 |
| B | 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96 |
| C | 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128 |
| D | 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144 |
| E | 2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160 |
| F | 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192 |
| G | 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 60 , 
80 , 120 , 240 |


Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me - Tim

Updated: 6/27/2010


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