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Hello Tracy I don't have a lot of time to write now. But I too, wanted to say thank you for sharing your time with us. Have you ever tried to do this pattern with a 1/2 up-cut spiral cutter? and cutting on the center line, running the bit into the stock and backing off. (sorta like a bouncing cut, using your Y axis stops?) I was just thinking that this way the pattern could have a cupped surface more like what a Rose lathe dose. This is just a thought? It just might give this cut a somewhat different look. Gota run. Have a great day! C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tracy tr...@legacywoodworking.com To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:06 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hey everyone, I built the first brick pattern using a manual Ornamental Mill. I don't recall which model, but it really doesn't matter, the indexing all works the same way. I started by turning the stock round approximately 2 in diameter using a surface planing bit. To mill the brick pattern I used an 1/8 diameter two flute straight cutter. A larger cutter would also work but I wanted the size of the bricks fairly small. I used the optional 40 Position Indexing Plate and made a pencil mark on every 4th hole. I set the plunge depth to approximately 1/8 below the surface of the turned blank. I engaged the X-axis split nut and positioned the X-axis handle straight down. I opened the Y-axis split nut so I could slide the round to cut the brick pattern. I started on the front side and slid the router to the back side cutting the first brick then I slid the router back to the front side ready to make the next cut. I then released the indexing pin and rotated the plate four holes and released the pin to hold the part in position for the next cut. I slid the router back and then forward again to cut the second brick. I repeated this pattern until I had cut 10 bricks which completed the 360 degrees. I then indexed the plate one position and turned the X-axis handle 1/2 turn so that the handle was positioned at the top. I cut the first brick and then indexed 4 holes to mill the second brick and so on. Each half turn of the X-axis handle moved the carriage 1/8 along the x-axis. If you are using a 1/4 diameter straight cutter than you would rotate the handle a full turn. After completing each row of bricks I indexed one hole in the same direction to create the spiral effect. If you index two positions to start the row the brick pattern would alternate evenly eliminating the spiral pattern. If you index in the opposite direction one hole for each row the spiral will turn the opposite direction. If you use the standard 24 position indexing then you could either index 3 holes for each brick resulting in 8 bricks around the circumference of the part or 2 holes for each brick resulting in 12 bricks around the circumference. If you index 2 holes then you cannot create the spiral effect. If you index 3 holes then you will end up with a spiral pattern and cannot make a straight pattern. I thought the brick pattern would look great on a gavel or the head of a croquet mallet or a handle of a hiking staff. I would love to see any project that anyone makes using the brick pattern. Tracy Anderson Legacy Woodworking Machinery On Aug 6, 4:10 pm, MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net wrote: Hi Bill,how would you tackle the brick pattern on the REVO,any info,Hi C.A.G.on this forum we are,so I think legacy are lurkers just to see what we are saying, MAC. On Aug 6, 10:59 pm, curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com wrote: Hello Bill I like the Video. and I Realy liked hearing Tracy say, that WE the customers are a very important part of There business. And I was starting to feeling like Uncle Burney's second son,from his first marriage,once removed! (You could say, I was feeling pretty rejected, from THIS family tree.) THANKS TRACY. ((( I'm IMPORANT!))) ;-) C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: brick pattern Here's one I think we can do on our manual machines simple but looks good I think http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/demo-videos/2010/8/6/spiral-brick... Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Welcome New Members - July Hello All, I'm going to try a new monthly feature by welcoming new members at the end of each month. I would like us all to get an opportunity to get to know each other and share our experiences. I would especially like new members to feel comfortable posting any question or comment they have for the group as it relates to using Legacy's equipment. I realize we are on all different levels of the learning curve. Many members of the group that do not post messages have told me
Re: brick pattern
I think it would make a very cool pattern. The only suggestion I would make is to use either a straight cutter or a down-cut spiral cutter. The up-cut spiral cutter will most like tear out the grain on the surface. Tracy On Aug 17, 1:43 am, curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com wrote: Hello Tracy I don't have a lot of time to write now. But I too, wanted to say thank you for sharing your time with us. Have you ever tried to do this pattern with a 1/2 up-cut spiral cutter? and cutting on the center line, running the bit into the stock and backing off. (sorta like a bouncing cut, using your Y axis stops?) I was just thinking that this way the pattern could have a cupped surface more like what a Rose lathe dose. This is just a thought? It just might give this cut a somewhat different look. Gota run. Have a great day! C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tracy tr...@legacywoodworking.com To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:06 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hey everyone, I built the first brick pattern using a manual Ornamental Mill. I don't recall which model, but it really doesn't matter, the indexing all works the same way. I started by turning the stock round approximately 2 in diameter using a surface planing bit. To mill the brick pattern I used an 1/8 diameter two flute straight cutter. A larger cutter would also work but I wanted the size of the bricks fairly small. I used the optional 40 Position Indexing Plate and made a pencil mark on every 4th hole. I set the plunge depth to approximately 1/8 below the surface of the turned blank. I engaged the X-axis split nut and positioned the X-axis handle straight down. I opened the Y-axis split nut so I could slide the round to cut the brick pattern. I started on the front side and slid the router to the back side cutting the first brick then I slid the router back to the front side ready to make the next cut. I then released the indexing pin and rotated the plate four holes and released the pin to hold the part in position for the next cut. I slid the router back and then forward again to cut the second brick. I repeated this pattern until I had cut 10 bricks which completed the 360 degrees. I then indexed the plate one position and turned the X-axis handle 1/2 turn so that the handle was positioned at the top. I cut the first brick and then indexed 4 holes to mill the second brick and so on. Each half turn of the X-axis handle moved the carriage 1/8 along the x-axis. If you are using a 1/4 diameter straight cutter than you would rotate the handle a full turn. After completing each row of bricks I indexed one hole in the same direction to create the spiral effect. If you index two positions to start the row the brick pattern would alternate evenly eliminating the spiral pattern. If you index in the opposite direction one hole for each row the spiral will turn the opposite direction. If you use the standard 24 position indexing then you could either index 3 holes for each brick resulting in 8 bricks around the circumference of the part or 2 holes for each brick resulting in 12 bricks around the circumference. If you index 2 holes then you cannot create the spiral effect. If you index 3 holes then you will end up with a spiral pattern and cannot make a straight pattern. I thought the brick pattern would look great on a gavel or the head of a croquet mallet or a handle of a hiking staff. I would love to see any project that anyone makes using the brick pattern. Tracy Anderson Legacy Woodworking Machinery On Aug 6, 4:10 pm, MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net wrote: Hi Bill,how would you tackle the brick pattern on the REVO,any info,Hi C.A.G.on this forum we are,so I think legacy are lurkers just to see what we are saying, MAC. On Aug 6, 10:59 pm, curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com wrote: Hello Bill I like the Video. and I Realy liked hearing Tracy say, that WE the customers are a very important part of There business. And I was starting to feeling like Uncle Burney's second son,from his first marriage,once removed! (You could say, I was feeling pretty rejected, from THIS family tree.) THANKS TRACY. ((( I'm IMPORANT!))) ;-) C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: brick pattern Here's one I think we can do on our manual machines simple but looks good I think http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/demo-videos/2010/8/6/spiral-brick... Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Welcome New Members - July Hello All, I'm going to try a new monthly feature by welcoming new members at the end of each month. I would like
Re: brick pattern
Hey everyone, I built the first brick pattern using a manual Ornamental Mill. I don't recall which model, but it really doesn't matter, the indexing all works the same way. I started by turning the stock round approximately 2 in diameter using a surface planing bit. To mill the brick pattern I used an 1/8 diameter two flute straight cutter. A larger cutter would also work but I wanted the size of the bricks fairly small. I used the optional 40 Position Indexing Plate and made a pencil mark on every 4th hole. I set the plunge depth to approximately 1/8 below the surface of the turned blank. I engaged the X-axis split nut and positioned the X-axis handle straight down. I opened the Y-axis split nut so I could slide the round to cut the brick pattern. I started on the front side and slid the router to the back side cutting the first brick then I slid the router back to the front side ready to make the next cut. I then released the indexing pin and rotated the plate four holes and released the pin to hold the part in position for the next cut. I slid the router back and then forward again to cut the second brick. I repeated this pattern until I had cut 10 bricks which completed the 360 degrees. I then indexed the plate one position and turned the X-axis handle 1/2 turn so that the handle was positioned at the top. I cut the first brick and then indexed 4 holes to mill the second brick and so on. Each half turn of the X-axis handle moved the carriage 1/8 along the x-axis. If you are using a 1/4 diameter straight cutter than you would rotate the handle a full turn. After completing each row of bricks I indexed one hole in the same direction to create the spiral effect. If you index two positions to start the row the brick pattern would alternate evenly eliminating the spiral pattern. If you index in the opposite direction one hole for each row the spiral will turn the opposite direction. If you use the standard 24 position indexing then you could either index 3 holes for each brick resulting in 8 bricks around the circumference of the part or 2 holes for each brick resulting in 12 bricks around the circumference. If you index 2 holes then you cannot create the spiral effect. If you index 3 holes then you will end up with a spiral pattern and cannot make a straight pattern. I thought the brick pattern would look great on a gavel or the head of a croquet mallet or a handle of a hiking staff. I would love to see any project that anyone makes using the brick pattern. Tracy Anderson Legacy Woodworking Machinery On Aug 6, 4:10 pm, MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net wrote: Hi Bill,how would you tackle the brick pattern on the REVO,any info,Hi C.A.G.on this forum we are,so I think legacy are lurkers just to see what we are saying, MAC. On Aug 6, 10:59 pm, curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com wrote: Hello Bill I like the Video. and I Realy liked hearing Tracy say, that WE the customers are a very important part of There business. And I was starting to feeling like Uncle Burney's second son,from his first marriage,once removed! (You could say, I was feeling pretty rejected, from THIS family tree.) THANKS TRACY. ((( I'm IMPORANT!))) ;-) C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: brick pattern Here's one I think we can do on our manual machines simple but looks good I think http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/demo-videos/2010/8/6/spiral-brick... Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Welcome New Members - July Hello All, I'm going to try a new monthly feature by welcoming new members at the end of each month. I would like us all to get an opportunity to get to know each other and share our experiences. I would especially like new members to feel comfortable posting any question or comment they have for the group as it relates to using Legacy's equipment. I realize we are on all different levels of the learning curve. Many members of the group that do not post messages have told me in private how much they appreciate even the simple tips and procedures. The hard part for me is knowing what the membership body would like to see more of. So please, take a moment from your busy day and ask a question or post a tip. New Members for the Month of July: Mike, Legacy Heirlooms, kellyintx, Sawdustman, NCW, Ahmed Net, Tim Rinehart, Marty, King and Charlie Porter. Please feel free to post an introduction or share with us what you are looking for. I know that I'm here to help and learn as well. -Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group
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Hello Tracy, First let me thank you for taking the time out of your busy day to respond about your fine work. How did you hollow out the cup portion? I'm assuming a standard lathe was used first before loading the stock into the legacy. I'm also guessing a simple jam chuck was used on the headstock end to center the cup. Care to share a little more? -Tim PS, I recall seeing the 600 EXL and your cup at the same time at the PDX woodshow. I'm guessing 2002 if my memory serves me right? - Original Message - From: Tracy tr...@legacywoodworking.com To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:06 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hey everyone, I built the first brick pattern using a manual Ornamental Mill. I don't recall which model, but it really doesn't matter, the indexing all works the same way. I started by turning the stock round approximately 2 in diameter using a surface planing bit. To mill the brick pattern I used an 1/8 diameter two flute straight cutter. ...clipped -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
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Tim, I actually used a forstner bit to drill out the cup after I had machined the base, stem and cup featuring the brick pattern. The next time I will drill the cup first and then use a jam chuck or turn a plug with the index hub on the end of it and insert it into the cup. I like the plug because I can machine around the cup without running the router bit into the chuck. Tracy On Aug 16, 10:20 pm, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote: Hello Tracy, First let me thank you for taking the time out of your busy day to respond about your fine work. How did you hollow out the cup portion? I'm assuming a standard lathe was used first before loading the stock into the legacy. I'm also guessing a simple jam chuck was used on the headstock end to center the cup. Care to share a little more? -Tim PS, I recall seeing the 600 EXL and your cup at the same time at the PDX woodshow. I'm guessing 2002 if my memory serves me right? - Original Message - From: Tracy tr...@legacywoodworking.com To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:06 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hey everyone, I built the first brick pattern using a manual Ornamental Mill. I don't recall which model, but it really doesn't matter, the indexing all works the same way. I started by turning the stock round approximately 2 in diameter using a surface planing bit. To mill the brick pattern I used an 1/8 diameter two flute straight cutter. ...clipped -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
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Hello Tim R. Ive been playing around with some of these ideas for a while. I cant wait to see what you come up with,once you get up and going with your mill. Tim K. made a wave attachment years ago. he told us what he did. (no pictures at that time.) so I made a wave attachment acording to what he said. The end resalts were I made a machine that did the same thing Tim's unit did. but our two versions do not look at all the same. Sometimes its all the perspective of the user, that makes the differance. ;-) Im here to learn and share ideas and techniques. My goal is to become the best that I can be.and hopefully I will not have to make all the mistakes my self in the process? ;-) Have a Great day. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Rinehart trineh...@carolina.rr.com To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: brick pattern Ok, apologies that I haven't actually been doing anything on my mill just yet...other things currently in line. But, as to the suggestion of mounting something to rotate the axis of cutting, I can think of at least 2 relatively easy/cheap ways. The first, is to take a dremel or rotozip tool and mount in some wooden rig to the router sled, with crude (or fancy) depth adjustments. The orientation would be perpendicular to plane of cutting used by the router, and allow some cool use of small round disk like cutters for making radiused cuts for the OT example on the goblet so the cuts are radiused, not flat. The second, is to use a fly cutter arrangement similar to what the rose engine users cut with. There are lots of pics on this by doing searches for MDF Rose Engine plans, and similar. Just throwing a couple ideas out...haven't tried either way...but seems feasible. On Aug 6, 10:03 pm, Bill Bulkeley wrote: Tim you might be looking too close I might be wrong but I think its the curves of the blank that makes it look slightly curved and re watching the video and closely looking at the cutter it seems to only be moving across not up and down slightly as well but a radius instead of a strait would be an interesting thing to try. some one out there needs to invent a 90degree universal joint to attach to our routers to do some right angle cuts instead of having to remount the whole router on the side wow that's a tall order. It sure would make profile turning more diverse, just another one of my crazy ideas I get lost of those Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: brick pattern My eyes could be deceiving me, but I believe each cut has a slight radius, and our manual machines would only be able to achieve flat facets. If the cuts are curved, it's getting close to traditional OT basket work. It's back to needing a z-axis template follower to make arcs, or use an overhead cutting tool like a grinder rotated perpendicular to the axis. It could be plunged to make the circular cut for each index. -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:28 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hello guys I have made this cut a while back ago. I used a 1/2 straight cutting router bit. I used the hand crank and gears,for the indexing (if I remember correctly, I use every half turn of the crank for my indexing,using the A gear.I think? The handle was either up or down when the cut was made.) the X movement of the carriage needs to be locked in place. the Y axis was left un-locked so you can slide it forwards and back. What I did was to pull the carriage towards me, then index the wood (turn the crank) push back, index and so on until I went all the way around. then I moved the carriage forward 1/2 and locked the carriage down again and repeated the process. The CNC sure dose it faster but... basically all you are doing is putting a lot of small flats on a round wood. I marked with a pencil each start and made sure that the next series was a 1/4 or so off. I hope this helps explain how I did it well enough for you? Its been a while since I last done this cutting method. I personally think mine turned out nicer that what the CNC unit did on the video. BUT??? have a good night all. talk to you. Tomorrow. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you
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Both are good idea and completely feasible just never implemented. Did you machine arrive? -Tim - Original Message - From: Tim Rinehart trineh...@carolina.rr.com To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:00 AM Subject: Re: brick pattern Ok, apologies that I haven't actually been doing anything on my mill just yet...other things currently in line. But, as to the suggestion of mounting something to rotate the axis of cutting, I can think of at least 2 relatively easy/cheap ways. The first, is to take a dremel or rotozip tool and mount in some wooden rig to the router sled, with crude (or fancy) depth adjustments. The orientation would be perpendicular to plane of cutting used by the router, and allow some cool use of small round disk like cutters for making radiused cuts for the OT example on the goblet so the cuts are radiused, not flat. The second, is to use a fly cutter arrangement similar to what the rose engine users cut with. There are lots of pics on this by doing searches for MDF Rose Engine plans, and similar. Just throwing a couple ideas out...haven't tried either way...but seems feasible. On Aug 6, 10:03 pm, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote: Tim you might be looking too close I might be wrong but I think its the curves of the blank that makes it look slightly curved and re watching the video and closely looking at the cutter it seems to only be moving across not up and down slightly as well but a radius instead of a strait would be an interesting thing to try. some one out there needs to invent a 90degree universal joint to attach to our routers to do some right angle cuts instead of having to remount the whole router on the side wow that's a tall order. It sure would make profile turning more diverse, just another one of my crazy ideas I get lost of those Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: brick pattern My eyes could be deceiving me, but I believe each cut has a slight radius, and our manual machines would only be able to achieve flat facets. If the cuts are curved, it's getting close to traditional OT basket work. It's back to needing a z-axis template follower to make arcs, or use an overhead cutting tool like a grinder rotated perpendicular to the axis. It could be plunged to make the circular cut for each index. -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:28 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hello guys I have made this cut a while back ago. I used a 1/2 straight cutting router bit. I used the hand crank and gears,for the indexing (if I remember correctly, I use every half turn of the crank for my indexing,using the A gear.I think? The handle was either up or down when the cut was made.) the X movement of the carriage needs to be locked in place. the Y axis was left un-locked so you can slide it forwards and back. What I did was to pull the carriage towards me, then index the wood (turn the crank) push back, index and so on until I went all the way around. then I moved the carriage forward 1/2 and locked the carriage down again and repeated the process. The CNC sure dose it faster but... basically all you are doing is putting a lot of small flats on a round wood. I marked with a pencil each start and made sure that the next series was a 1/4 or so off. I hope this helps explain how I did it well enough for you? Its been a while since I last done this cutting method. I personally think mine turned out nicer that what the CNC unit did on the video. BUT??? have a good night all. talk to you. Tomorrow. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
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Burney tore his version apart if I recall and sold the machine. It was pretty close to a version I wanted to try. I do believe in the V bearing concept. If you search the group for Glides and slides II you will find the pictures. It's yet another thing I should add to the web site. -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern I liked it! Only??? I still haven't found the best way to make it work. (Making a better mouse trap isn't always easy.) I've ran into a few small problems tiring to make the Legacy do something that it was not made to do. (Im not saying it Cant be done.Its just... I haven't done it yet.) ;-) Has anyone heard from Burney lately? His ball bearing glides would be very nice on the Y axis, it would make following a template much easer. Tim, If you don't mind I still have some of Burney's pix's on file. I can re-post them ,for those ,who were not here at that time. (but since the photos are not mine,?. I thought... Perhaps I should ask before...) I personally would like to hear about how his stuff has held up over the last few years, The test of time, You know. ;-) UGG! Im up late again! (its almost 9;30 pm.) talk to you all tomorrow. Have a Good night. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:54 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Too many years knowing 0 is a significant number. Then I get confused when I get past my fingers and toes, I need to call a friend over. :-) I've always liked your pin solution. Just way too many holes! Glad you shared it again for the new guys. I'll have to post it the web site. What do you think about John's idea? -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hello Tim (and everyone!) Here are some photos of my indexing pin set up. It goes of in seconds and is easily to remove when not in use. No real modifications need to be done to the machine. Its not perfect, but at least the pin is easy to get to, which makes indexing a bit easer. (Sorry Tim, it doesn't help with counting all those holes. Im still working on that one! ) ;-) If you like I can supply some more details.You know what they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words.Well then here is a mouth full. have a good night. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:14 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Made a mistake - See Below. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern At the end of your twelve cuts crank the x axis handle twice... Should read crank the handle a 1/4 turn or something less than one. Then the pattern will appear to spiral up the column. Who's going to give it a try and post the results? My machine is not available at the moment. -Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
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OK! Thanks Tim. I saved a lot of his writings on this topic, I like the Vgrooved bearings as well. but... I was wondering if the bearings would be enough to hold the carriage from twisting? Perhaps on the X axis, because of the greater span of the carriage there would not be a problem, but on the Y axis I think there would have a problem with twisting ? (Just a guess.) Im sorry to hear that he threw in the towel, I would have liked to seen what he would have come up with if he would have stayed with the group. Some of his ideas are just now makeing since to me. He was a Sharp Cookie. Perhaps he will drop us a line?some time in the future? ;-) Have a good night. Talk to you, (and everyone out there.) latter. C.A.G. P.S. MYX. John. It sure was nice to hear from you again! Welcome back, My friend. c.a.g. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Burney tore his version apart if I recall and sold the machine. It was pretty close to a version I wanted to try. I do believe in the V bearing concept. If you search the group for Glides and slides II you will find the pictures. It's yet another thing I should add to the web site. -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern I liked it! Only??? I still haven't found the best way to make it work. (Making a better mouse trap isn't always easy.) I've ran into a few small problems tiring to make the Legacy do something that it was not made to do. (Im not saying it Cant be done.Its just... I haven't done it yet.) ;-) Has anyone heard from Burney lately? His ball bearing glides would be very nice on the Y axis, it would make following a template much easer. Tim, If you don't mind I still have some of Burney's pix's on file. I can re-post them ,for those ,who were not here at that time. (but since the photos are not mine,?. I thought... Perhaps I should ask before...) I personally would like to hear about how his stuff has held up over the last few years, The test of time, You know. ;-) UGG! Im up late again! (its almost 9;30 pm.) talk to you all tomorrow. Have a Good night. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:54 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Too many years knowing 0 is a significant number. Then I get confused when I get past my fingers and toes, I need to call a friend over. :-) I've always liked your pin solution. Just way too many holes! Glad you shared it again for the new guys. I'll have to post it the web site. What do you think about John's idea? -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hello Tim (and everyone!) Here are some photos of my indexing pin set up. It goes of in seconds and is easily to remove when not in use. No real modifications need to be done to the machine. Its not perfect, but at least the pin is easy to get to, which makes indexing a bit easer. (Sorry Tim, it doesn't help with counting all those holes. Im still working on that one! ) ;-) If you like I can supply some more details.You know what they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words.Well then here is a mouth full. have a good night. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:14 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Made a mistake - See Below. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern At the end of your twelve cuts crank the x axis handle twice... Should read crank the handle a 1/4 turn or something less than one. Then the pattern will appear to spiral up the column. Who's going to give it a try and post the results? My machine is not available at the moment. -Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi
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Considering the bearings are dual row I believe they will be solid. Otherwise I don't think they would be using them on commercial equipment. -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:24 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern OK! Thanks Tim. I saved a lot of his writings on this topic, I like the Vgrooved bearings as well. but... I was wondering if the bearings would be enough to hold the carriage from twisting? Perhaps on the X axis, because of the greater span of the carriage there would not be a problem, but on the Y axis I think there would have a problem with twisting ? (Just a guess.) Im sorry to hear that he threw in the towel, I would have liked to seen what he would have come up with if he would have stayed with the group. Some of his ideas are just now makeing since to me. He was a Sharp Cookie. Perhaps he will drop us a line?some time in the future? ;-) Have a good night. Talk to you, (and everyone out there.) latter. C.A.G. P.S. MYX. John. It sure was nice to hear from you again! Welcome back, My friend. c.a.g. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Burney tore his version apart if I recall and sold the machine. It was pretty close to a version I wanted to try. I do believe in the V bearing concept. If you search the group for Glides and slides II you will find the pictures. It's yet another thing I should add to the web site. -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern I liked it! Only??? I still haven't found the best way to make it work. (Making a better mouse trap isn't always easy.) I've ran into a few small problems tiring to make the Legacy do something that it was not made to do. (Im not saying it Cant be done.Its just... I haven't done it yet.) ;-) Has anyone heard from Burney lately? His ball bearing glides would be very nice on the Y axis, it would make following a template much easer. Tim, If you don't mind I still have some of Burney's pix's on file. I can re-post them ,for those ,who were not here at that time. (but since the photos are not mine,?. I thought... Perhaps I should ask before...) I personally would like to hear about how his stuff has held up over the last few years, The test of time, You know. ;-) UGG! Im up late again! (its almost 9;30 pm.) talk to you all tomorrow. Have a Good night. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:54 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Too many years knowing 0 is a significant number. Then I get confused when I get past my fingers and toes, I need to call a friend over. :-) I've always liked your pin solution. Just way too many holes! Glad you shared it again for the new guys. I'll have to post it the web site. What do you think about John's idea? -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hello Tim (and everyone!) Here are some photos of my indexing pin set up. It goes of in seconds and is easily to remove when not in use. No real modifications need to be done to the machine. Its not perfect, but at least the pin is easy to get to, which makes indexing a bit easer. (Sorry Tim, it doesn't help with counting all those holes. Im still working on that one! ) ;-) If you like I can supply some more details.You know what they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words.Well then here is a mouth full. have a good night. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:14 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Made a mistake - See Below. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern At the end of your twelve cuts crank the x axis handle twice... Should read crank the handle a 1/4 turn or something less than one. Then the pattern will appear to spiral up the column. Who's going to give it a try and post the results? My machine is not available at the moment. -Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed
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Tim (and the rest of you misfits!), Since i don't read this group regularly much anymore, i am behind on some topics. Regarding the brick pattern here is the way i think you can do it relatively easy. Let me back up a bit, it looks to me like a striaght back and forth cut. Visualize a 1/2 tall ring of wood that that has 12 sides (see first pic in next msg) then you take another 12 sided ring and place it on top of that ring, only offset by a little to show the protruding ring of the next level. That is all this pattern is, which is a repeated 12 sided (octogon?) that is offset by a little for each level. Ok so how do i make this work for you manual crankers without having to crank, index, crank, index, crank, index, ect... I was thinking about this and a long time ago i made a bunch of template patterns for Curt (I think for the rotary table but i forget) Well why not try it for something for the main rotary axis similar to that do-hicky (technical term) he made for making waves... Make a pattern similar to what i drew up and have it on the main rotary gear and rig up a snug spring and pin that holds but lets you turn the gear but the pin acts like a detent position but lets you turn it readily instead of having to pull the pin like you do on normal indexing. By doing that with the ability to have the stock held while cutting but can use one hand to turn the gear (maybe make a handle to attach) this would speed up the rotation and indexing a lot. Then after you do your first ring starting out at #1 then maybe start the next one at #4, next at #2, or vary ypur start pattern. If you start at 1 then 2,3,4, ect i think your pattern will look as if it kind of wraps around the column in the facets. Let me know if you experts think this might work, i only put about 5 minutes into this theory so i could be way off base. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
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I think you hit upon my top annoyances of the index system on the legacy. One, the pin is facing the wrong direction for quick action. Two, too many holes in the index plate and that is error prone. Well two is quick a quick fix. I made a block off plate that mounts between the headstock and the index plate/gear to block off holes that are not used. Later I changed that to a 12 hole index plate and life is simple. I never got around to making a different pin arrangement. I've got a really good idea to make indexing more flexible, but it's waiting for funding. Here's a page I wrote up about my indexing woes. http://artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/index_system/index.html Cutting the brick pattern is easy using the crank handle indexing method. You can install the B gear and make one crank of the x axis handle to get your 12 indexes. Using my x-axis lock ( http://artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/x_axis_lock/index.html ) you will be able to quickly move the carriage and lock it in place without messing with the shaft collars. That leaves the left hand on the router to slide front to back and your right hand to on the x axis crank. At the end of you twelve cuts crank the x axis handle twice move the router over 1/2 and keep going. That's pretty quick and easy if you ask me. -Tim PS, do you still own your Legacy? That bluebot must look funny next to the dusty red machine :-) - Original Message - From: myxpykalix1 myxpyka...@hotmail.com To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: brick pattern Tim (and the rest of you misfits!), Since i don't read this group regularly much anymore, i am behind on some topics. Regarding the brick pattern here is the way i think you can do it relatively easy. Let me back up a bit, it looks to me like a striaght back and forth cut. Visualize a 1/2 tall ring of wood that that has 12 sides (see first pic in next msg) then you take another 12 sided ring and place it on top of that ring, only offset by a little to show the protruding ring of the next level. That is all this pattern is, which is a repeated 12 sided (octogon?) that is offset by a little for each level. Ok so how do i make this work for you manual crankers without having to crank, index, crank, index, crank, index, ect... I was thinking about this and a long time ago i made a bunch of template patterns for Curt (I think for the rotary table but i forget) Well why not try it for something for the main rotary axis similar to that do-hicky (technical term) he made for making waves... Make a pattern similar to what i drew up and have it on the main rotary gear and rig up a snug spring and pin that holds but lets you turn the gear but the pin acts like a detent position but lets you turn it readily instead of having to pull the pin like you do on normal indexing. By doing that with the ability to have the stock held while cutting but can use one hand to turn the gear (maybe make a handle to attach) this would speed up the rotation and indexing a lot. Then after you do your first ring starting out at #1 then maybe start the next one at #4, next at #2, or vary ypur start pattern. If you start at 1 then 2,3,4, ect i think your pattern will look as if it kind of wraps around the column in the facets. Let me know if you experts think this might work, i only put about 5 minutes into this theory so i could be way off base. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
Re: brick pattern
Made a mistake - See Below. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern At the end of your twelve cuts crank the x axis handle twice... Should read crank the handle a 1/4 turn or something less than one. Then the pattern will appear to spiral up the column. Who's going to give it a try and post the results? My machine is not available at the moment. -Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
Re: brick pattern
Too many years knowing 0 is a significant number. Then I get confused when I get past my fingers and toes, I need to call a friend over. :-) I've always liked your pin solution. Just way too many holes! Glad you shared it again for the new guys. I'll have to post it the web site. What do you think about John's idea? -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hello Tim (and everyone!) Here are some photos of my indexing pin set up. It goes of in seconds and is easily to remove when not in use. No real modifications need to be done to the machine. Its not perfect, but at least the pin is easy to get to, which makes indexing a bit easer. (Sorry Tim, it doesn't help with counting all those holes. Im still working on that one! ) ;-) If you like I can supply some more details.You know what they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words.Well then here is a mouth full. have a good night. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:14 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Made a mistake - See Below. - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern At the end of your twelve cuts crank the x axis handle twice... Should read crank the handle a 1/4 turn or something less than one. Then the pattern will appear to spiral up the column. Who's going to give it a try and post the results? My machine is not available at the moment. -Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
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Peace be upon you I would like to thank Send this video very interesting Q Is it possible to apply this model machine manual Ahmad 2010/8/7, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net: Hi Mac, It's been a while. Are you and the boys making anything on the Revo we might be interested in? When it comes to making flat indexed cuts, the tutorial on the three leg pedestal gave a few good tips when it comes to depth of cut and making flat sections. See steps 12-18. http://legacywoodworking.com/class.cfm?id=39 also see http://legacywoodworking.com/galleryItem.cfm?project=191 Crank handle indexing would be ideal. Here's a refresher: http://artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/pungs_index_method/pungs_index_method.html -Tim - Original Message - From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:10 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hi Bill,how would you tackle the brick pattern on the REVO,any info,Hi C.A.G.on this forum we are,so I think legacy are lurkers just to see what we are saying, MAC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comlegacy-ornamental-mills%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin. -- لااله الا الله محمدرسول الله -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
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Hi Tim,yes, I have been laid low with a rotten virus and have had to let the gang work on their own,we are starting to make xmas.presents now and I have got them making memory box's,or memento box's,one of the boys Luke, has progressed so well he has been accepted for a woodworking course at Brock college,isn't that just great,somebody up there is looking out for him,I will post some pictures soon if I can remember how to do it,as to the Brick pattern can anyone give me a bit of know how to do this on a flat box lid,we have been given one piece of birds eye maple and it is too precious to get it wrong,any advice will be appreciated, thanks Bill and C.A.G. mac. On Aug 7, 3:39 am, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Mac, It's been a while. Are you and the boys making anything on the Revo we might be interested in? When it comes to making flat indexed cuts, the tutorial on the three leg pedestal gave a few good tips when it comes to depth of cut and making flat sections. See steps 12-18.http://legacywoodworking.com/class.cfm?id=39 also seehttp://legacywoodworking.com/galleryItem.cfm?project=191 Crank handle indexing would be ideal. Here's a refresher:http://artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/pungs_index_method/pu... -Tim - Original Message - From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:10 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hi Bill,how would you tackle the brick pattern on the REVO,any info,Hi C.A.G.on this forum we are,so I think legacy are lurkers just to see what we are saying, MAC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
Re: brick pattern
I don't know about a brick pattern I will have to think about that one but in th mean time how about a pineapple looking pattern I used it on a round walking cane not long ago I don't see why it would not work on flat surface use the 1/2 rope pen bit move the saddle a 1/2each pass then rotate the work 90degrees and repeat across again I have not tried it but i think it might make a nice pattern maybe something like raised rounded bricks you could even do it at 45 degrees try it on a scrap piece first to see how it goes and please post a pic Id like to see if it works my self Bill - Original Message - From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 6:25 AM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hi Tim,yes, I have been laid low with a rotten virus and have had to let the gang work on their own,we are starting to make xmas.presents now and I have got them making memory box's,or memento box's,one of the boys Luke, has progressed so well he has been accepted for a woodworking course at Brock college,isn't that just great,somebody up there is looking out for him,I will post some pictures soon if I can remember how to do it,as to the Brick pattern can anyone give me a bit of know how to do this on a flat box lid,we have been given one piece of birds eye maple and it is too precious to get it wrong,any advice will be appreciated, thanks Bill and C.A.G. mac. On Aug 7, 3:39 am, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Mac, It's been a while. Are you and the boys making anything on the Revo we might be interested in? When it comes to making flat indexed cuts, the tutorial on the three leg pedestal gave a few good tips when it comes to depth of cut and making flat sections. See steps 12-18.http://legacywoodworking.com/class.cfm?id=39 also seehttp://legacywoodworking.com/galleryItem.cfm?project=191 Crank handle indexing would be ideal. Here's a refresher:http://artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/pungs_index_method/pu... -Tim - Original Message - From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:10 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hi Bill,how would you tackle the brick pattern on the REVO,any info,Hi C.A.G.on this forum we are,so I think legacy are lurkers just to see what we are saying, MAC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
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Here's one I think we can do on our manual machines simple but looks good I think http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/demo-videos/2010/8/6/spiral-brick-pattern.html Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Welcome New Members - July Hello All, I'm going to try a new monthly feature by welcoming new members at the end of each month. I would like us all to get an opportunity to get to know each other and share our experiences. I would especially like new members to feel comfortable posting any question or comment they have for the group as it relates to using Legacy's equipment. I realize we are on all different levels of the learning curve. Many members of the group that do not post messages have told me in private how much they appreciate even the simple tips and procedures. The hard part for me is knowing what the membership body would like to see more of. So please, take a moment from your busy day and ask a question or post a tip. New Members for the Month of July: Mike, Legacy Heirlooms, kellyintx, Sawdustman, NCW, Ahmed Net, Tim Rinehart, Marty, King and Charlie Porter. Please feel free to post an introduction or share with us what you are looking for. I know that I'm here to help and learn as well. -Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: brick pattern
Hello Bill I like the Video. and I Realy liked hearing Tracy say, that WE the customers are a very important part of There business. And I was starting to feeling like Uncle Burney's second son,from his first marriage,once removed! (You could say, I was feeling pretty rejected, from THIS family tree.) THANKS TRACY. ((( I'm IMPORANT!))) ;-) C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: brick pattern Here's one I think we can do on our manual machines simple but looks good I think http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/demo-videos/2010/8/6/spiral-brick-pattern.html Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Welcome New Members - July Hello All, I'm going to try a new monthly feature by welcoming new members at the end of each month. I would like us all to get an opportunity to get to know each other and share our experiences. I would especially like new members to feel comfortable posting any question or comment they have for the group as it relates to using Legacy's equipment. I realize we are on all different levels of the learning curve. Many members of the group that do not post messages have told me in private how much they appreciate even the simple tips and procedures. The hard part for me is knowing what the membership body would like to see more of. So please, take a moment from your busy day and ask a question or post a tip. New Members for the Month of July: Mike, Legacy Heirlooms, kellyintx, Sawdustman, NCW, Ahmed Net, Tim Rinehart, Marty, King and Charlie Porter. Please feel free to post an introduction or share with us what you are looking for. I know that I'm here to help and learn as well. -Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: brick pattern
Hi Bill,how would you tackle the brick pattern on the REVO,any info,Hi C.A.G.on this forum we are,so I think legacy are lurkers just to see what we are saying, MAC. On Aug 6, 10:59 pm, curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com wrote: Hello Bill I like the Video. and I Realy liked hearing Tracy say, that WE the customers are a very important part of There business. And I was starting to feeling like Uncle Burney's second son,from his first marriage,once removed! (You could say, I was feeling pretty rejected, from THIS family tree.) THANKS TRACY. ((( I'm IMPORANT!))) ;-) C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: brick pattern Here's one I think we can do on our manual machines simple but looks good I think http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/demo-videos/2010/8/6/spiral-brick... Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Welcome New Members - July Hello All, I'm going to try a new monthly feature by welcoming new members at the end of each month. I would like us all to get an opportunity to get to know each other and share our experiences. I would especially like new members to feel comfortable posting any question or comment they have for the group as it relates to using Legacy's equipment. I realize we are on all different levels of the learning curve. Many members of the group that do not post messages have told me in private how much they appreciate even the simple tips and procedures. The hard part for me is knowing what the membership body would like to see more of. So please, take a moment from your busy day and ask a question or post a tip. New Members for the Month of July: Mike, Legacy Heirlooms, kellyintx, Sawdustman, NCW, Ahmed Net, Tim Rinehart, Marty, King and Charlie Porter. Please feel free to post an introduction or share with us what you are looking for. I know that I'm here to help and learn as well. -Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: brick pattern
Yes defiantly I would do it on a revo either use the indexing gears or I would probably try out the crank indexing method Move the saddle along the width of the bit each revolution I would do every second revolution first then index how ever many degrees and do all the rest. I'm guessing you would choose a flat bit that its diameter fits evenly into what ever circumference of your work piece what do you all think Bill - Original Message - From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:10 AM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hi Bill,how would you tackle the brick pattern on the REVO,any info,Hi C.A.G.on this forum we are,so I think legacy are lurkers just to see what we are saying, MAC. On Aug 6, 10:59 pm, curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com wrote: Hello Bill I like the Video. and I Realy liked hearing Tracy say, that WE the customers are a very important part of There business. And I was starting to feeling like Uncle Burney's second son,from his first marriage,once removed! (You could say, I was feeling pretty rejected, from THIS family tree.) THANKS TRACY. ((( I'm IMPORANT!))) ;-) C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: brick pattern Here's one I think we can do on our manual machines simple but looks good I think http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/demo-videos/2010/8/6/spiral-brick... Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Welcome New Members - July Hello All, I'm going to try a new monthly feature by welcoming new members at the end of each month. I would like us all to get an opportunity to get to know each other and share our experiences. I would especially like new members to feel comfortable posting any question or comment they have for the group as it relates to using Legacy's equipment. I realize we are on all different levels of the learning curve. Many members of the group that do not post messages have told me in private how much they appreciate even the simple tips and procedures. The hard part for me is knowing what the membership body would like to see more of. So please, take a moment from your busy day and ask a question or post a tip. New Members for the Month of July: Mike, Legacy Heirlooms, kellyintx, Sawdustman, NCW, Ahmed Net, Tim Rinehart, Marty, King and Charlie Porter. Please feel free to post an introduction or share with us what you are looking for. I know that I'm here to help and learn as well. -Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
Re: brick pattern
I need to win the lottery, then I would build a whole bunch of new toys for the Legacy! I don't know if you will be able to see this picture or not, but two great examples of traditional basket work. http://ornamentalturners.org/forum/gallery2.php?g2_view=dynamicalbum.UpdatesAlbumg2_itemId=7323g2_imageViewsIndex=1 My second look tells me you are right. It's just a straight cut. They do need to lower the z axis just a little bit to get the cuts ends to meet up. I remember a long time ago before I bought my Legacy seeing a goblet that Tracy made at a woodshow. It's still on the web site. http://legacywoodworking.com/galleryItem.cfm?project=191 -Tim - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:03 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Tim you might be looking too close I might be wrong but I think its the curves of the blank that makes it look slightly curved and re watching the video and closely looking at the cutter it seems to only be moving across not up and down slightly as well but a radius instead of a strait would be an interesting thing to try. some one out there needs to invent a 90degree universal joint to attach to our routers to do some right angle cuts instead of having to remount the whole router on the side wow that's a tall order. It sure would make profile turning more diverse, just another one of my crazy ideas I get lost of those Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: brick pattern My eyes could be deceiving me, but I believe each cut has a slight radius, and our manual machines would only be able to achieve flat facets. If the cuts are curved, it's getting close to traditional OT basket work. It's back to needing a z-axis template follower to make arcs, or use an overhead cutting tool like a grinder rotated perpendicular to the axis. It could be plunged to make the circular cut for each index. -Tim - Original Message - From: curt george curtgeo...@wowway.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:28 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hello guys I have made this cut a while back ago. I used a 1/2 straight cutting router bit. I used the hand crank and gears,for the indexing (if I remember correctly, I use every half turn of the crank for my indexing,using the A gear.I think? The handle was either up or down when the cut was made.) the X movement of the carriage needs to be locked in place. the Y axis was left un-locked so you can slide it forwards and back. What I did was to pull the carriage towards me, then index the wood (turn the crank) push back, index and so on until I went all the way around. then I moved the carriage forward 1/2 and locked the carriage down again and repeated the process. The CNC sure dose it faster but... basically all you are doing is putting a lot of small flats on a round wood. I marked with a pencil each start and made sure that the next series was a 1/4 or so off. I hope this helps explain how I did it well enough for you? Its been a while since I last done this cutting method. I personally think mine turned out nicer that what the CNC unit did on the video. BUT??? have a good night all. talk to you. Tomorrow. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
Re: brick pattern
Hi Mac, It's been a while. Are you and the boys making anything on the Revo we might be interested in? When it comes to making flat indexed cuts, the tutorial on the three leg pedestal gave a few good tips when it comes to depth of cut and making flat sections. See steps 12-18. http://legacywoodworking.com/class.cfm?id=39 also see http://legacywoodworking.com/galleryItem.cfm?project=191 Crank handle indexing would be ideal. Here's a refresher: http://artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/pungs_index_method/pungs_index_method.html -Tim - Original Message - From: MACSWAG davidcraig.dil...@virgin.net To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:10 PM Subject: Re: brick pattern Hi Bill,how would you tackle the brick pattern on the REVO,any info,Hi C.A.G.on this forum we are,so I think legacy are lurkers just to see what we are saying, MAC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=xx-piglatin.
